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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 20, 2006 17:00:46 GMT 1, culture show documentaries, channel 4 news slots, pictures of angelina jolie buying your work, pranks in hmv are all bids to raise his profile to the general public and make him 'established' in the modern art market to make cash. if you had told me 2 yrs ago this is where banksy would have ended up i would have laughed (and i'm sure he would as well).
culture show documentaries, channel 4 news slots, pictures of angelina jolie buying your work, pranks in hmv are all bids to raise his profile to the general public and make him 'established' in the modern art market to make cash. if you had told me 2 yrs ago this is where banksy would have ended up i would have laughed (and i'm sure he would as well).
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Banksy is a sellout..., by corblimeylimey on Nov 20, 2006 17:12:22 GMT 1, Him being established (as an artist) does not make him pro-establishment.
I know this word can mean many different things but I think when we say anti-establishment we mean against the authoritities, the powers that be, the system. The Paris Hilton prank is anti-establishment and media interest doesn't mean you're pro establishment.
Him being established (as an artist) does not make him pro-establishment.
I know this word can mean many different things but I think when we say anti-establishment we mean against the authoritities, the powers that be, the system. The Paris Hilton prank is anti-establishment and media interest doesn't mean you're pro establishment.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 20, 2006 17:21:46 GMT 1, But Banksy and his PR team courted the media interest. Some PR team hyped the newspaper and news channels up, letting them know details, videoing the events etc, just to make a story.
If you are making points about the evils of big business / government and making hundreds of thousands out of it yourself do you not think that is hypocritical? he's not offering any solutions only making money for him and others. who do you think are buying his canvases at christies and sotherby's? are the profits from the sales of his work going to help people who need it?
But Banksy and his PR team courted the media interest. Some PR team hyped the newspaper and news channels up, letting them know details, videoing the events etc, just to make a story.
If you are making points about the evils of big business / government and making hundreds of thousands out of it yourself do you not think that is hypocritical? he's not offering any solutions only making money for him and others. who do you think are buying his canvases at christies and sotherby's? are the profits from the sales of his work going to help people who need it?
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Banksy is a sellout..., by stingray on Nov 20, 2006 17:28:03 GMT 1, I think it is hard to argue that Banksy is still underground. He employs a publicist after all.
However, I don't think that means that his contributions to the world are not valid.
Even though he is a self publicist and seeks a wider audience I like his message... most of the time. I would much rather the world noticed Banksy even if his popularity somewhat contradicts his original message.
Better that people want a Banksy on their wall than some mass producer Athena poster (does Athena still exist?)
I think it is hard to argue that Banksy is still underground. He employs a publicist after all.
However, I don't think that means that his contributions to the world are not valid.
Even though he is a self publicist and seeks a wider audience I like his message... most of the time. I would much rather the world noticed Banksy even if his popularity somewhat contradicts his original message.
Better that people want a Banksy on their wall than some mass producer Athena poster (does Athena still exist?)
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Banksy is a sellout..., by corblimeylimey on Nov 20, 2006 17:30:18 GMT 1, We don't know what Banksy does with his money, he could be donating lots to worthy causes.
The elephant in the L.A. show was there to make a point, no money was made from that.
We don't know what Banksy does with his money, he could be donating lots to worthy causes.
The elephant in the L.A. show was there to make a point, no money was made from that.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by stingray on Nov 20, 2006 17:32:49 GMT 1, Is the world a better place because of Banksy?
Has he made a valuable contribution to peoples lives?
Has he made some people question the world they live in?
I think the answer to all the above is yes.
Personally, I couldn't give a toss whether he gets rich from it. As far as I am concerned he is a person of genuine talent and deserves it.
Is the world a better place because of Banksy?
Has he made a valuable contribution to peoples lives?
Has he made some people question the world they live in?
I think the answer to all the above is yes.
Personally, I couldn't give a toss whether he gets rich from it. As far as I am concerned he is a person of genuine talent and deserves it.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by victorwilliams on Nov 20, 2006 17:38:12 GMT 1, I'm in with you on this one stringray. The guys making money from his talent, oooo the scandal!!
I'm in with you on this one stringray. The guys making money from his talent, oooo the scandal!!
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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 20, 2006 17:47:24 GMT 1, i agree, banksy has certainly made a big impact in my life. but you cannot deny he is now a celebrity. and i feel some of the impact of his work is dilutued as a result of that. he goes out of his way to say that he thinks the artworld is bulls**t in the interview in swindle but over recent months everything he seems to do panders (if thats how you spell it!) to it.
i agree, banksy has certainly made a big impact in my life. but you cannot deny he is now a celebrity. and i feel some of the impact of his work is dilutued as a result of that. he goes out of his way to say that he thinks the artworld is bulls**t in the interview in swindle but over recent months everything he seems to do panders (if thats how you spell it!) to it.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by victorwilliams on Nov 20, 2006 17:54:12 GMT 1, I suppose its all a mater of opinion , yes he is most defiantly a celebrity now but that doesn't dilute any of the impact for me.
I suppose its all a mater of opinion , yes he is most defiantly a celebrity now but that doesn't dilute any of the impact for me.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by corblimeylimey on Nov 20, 2006 18:10:52 GMT 1, This thread started by calling Banksy a sellout, I've only just now looked it up on my computers dictionary, and the meaning here is
a betrayal of one's principles for reasons of expedience.
Something that Banksy certainly hasn't done, inspite of becoming well known, successful and wealthy.
This thread started by calling Banksy a sellout, I've only just now looked it up on my computers dictionary, and the meaning here is
a betrayal of one's principles for reasons of expedience.
Something that Banksy certainly hasn't done, inspite of becoming well known, successful and wealthy.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 20, 2006 18:20:56 GMT 1, I don't think he has sold out by any means. I just think the banksy i see now is vastly different to the one i grew up with (not literally!) I agree artists need to change, and good on him for getting the success he has. But when you have money and success and are comfortable the message in your work (and in banksys work the message is everything) becomes altered and has less of an impact. I always saw him as a champion of the little people and the disposessed (the rats are my favourite) but he can't keep on doing that. I just think he needs to be careful in how he is marketed because the mainstream are very fickle and if he becomes to mainstream some of his original fanbase will become disillusioned. I can't see a way around myself (the price of fame!), but there is no doubt how talented he is. It will be interesting to see how things go.
I don't think he has sold out by any means. I just think the banksy i see now is vastly different to the one i grew up with (not literally!) I agree artists need to change, and good on him for getting the success he has. But when you have money and success and are comfortable the message in your work (and in banksys work the message is everything) becomes altered and has less of an impact. I always saw him as a champion of the little people and the disposessed (the rats are my favourite) but he can't keep on doing that. I just think he needs to be careful in how he is marketed because the mainstream are very fickle and if he becomes to mainstream some of his original fanbase will become disillusioned. I can't see a way around myself (the price of fame!), but there is no doubt how talented he is. It will be interesting to see how things go.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by sputnikeye on Nov 20, 2006 18:22:41 GMT 1, It's very British isn't it? Build someone up then rip them to bits. You see it time and time again. Back clappers and back stabbers. It's a poignant discussion. If he's selling out I'm buying in.
It's very British isn't it? Build someone up then rip them to bits. You see it time and time again. Back clappers and back stabbers. It's a poignant discussion. If he's selling out I'm buying in.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by mido on Nov 20, 2006 21:30:31 GMT 1, Not sure, but whilst I ponder this important question I get a vision of a 'tennis player' scratching her asss 
Better that people want a Banksy on their wall than some mass producer Athena poster (does Athena still exist?)
Not sure, but whilst I ponder this important question I get a vision of a 'tennis player' scratching her asss Better that people want a Banksy on their wall than some mass producer Athena poster (does Athena still exist?) |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by LoveRat on Nov 20, 2006 21:45:28 GMT 1, But Banksy and his PR team courted the media interest. Some PR team hyped the newspaper and news channels up, letting them know details, videoing the events etc, just to make a story. If you are making points about the evils of big business / government and making hundreds of thousands out of it yourself do you not think that is hypocritical? he's not offering any solutions only making money for him and others. who do you think are buying his canvases at christies and sotherby's? are the profits from the sales of his work going to help people who need it?
Banksy has supported and worked for for many good causes.I don't see that because he makes "points about evils of big business/government and making hundreds of thousands out of it" that he is hypocritical. I don't see him tearing down rain forests , polluting the atmosphere, selling arms , backing right wing regimes,exploiting the Third World , etc.
But Banksy and his PR team courted the media interest. Some PR team hyped the newspaper and news channels up, letting them know details, videoing the events etc, just to make a story. If you are making points about the evils of big business / government and making hundreds of thousands out of it yourself do you not think that is hypocritical? he's not offering any solutions only making money for him and others. who do you think are buying his canvases at christies and sotherby's? are the profits from the sales of his work going to help people who need it? Banksy has supported and worked for for many good causes.I don't see that because he makes "points about evils of big business/government and making hundreds of thousands out of it" that he is hypocritical. I don't see him tearing down rain forests , polluting the atmosphere, selling arms , backing right wing regimes,exploiting the Third World , etc. |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by LoveRat on Nov 20, 2006 21:59:23 GMT 1, i agree, banksy has certainly made a big impact in my life. but you cannot deny he is now a celebrity. and i feel some of the impact of his work is dilutued as a result of that. he goes out of his way to say that he thinks the artworld is bulls**t in the interview in swindle but over recent months everything he seems to do panders (if thats how you spell it!) to it.
I'm sure his tongue is planted firmly in his cheek 
i agree, banksy has certainly made a big impact in my life. but you cannot deny he is now a celebrity. and i feel some of the impact of his work is dilutued as a result of that. he goes out of his way to say that he thinks the artworld is bulls**t in the interview in swindle but over recent months everything he seems to do panders (if thats how you spell it!) to it. I'm sure his tongue is planted firmly in his cheek |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by numusic on Nov 20, 2006 22:08:18 GMT 1, The mainstream are interested in whats fashionable and what makes money. If you are Damien Hirst that is fine. If you are Banksy its not. His appeal is based on being anti-establishment. Having massive PR campaigns and thousand dollar gallery launches to get his messages across is hypocritical.
His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to.. I hread the smae about Michael Moore.. sell out this, sell out that.. the cult of personality is exactly what he's trying to avoid. It's shit that the supposed underground and original fans are the first to bite.. sad too. His message is the same ! he hasn't changed, you have. Swayed ny the cult of the cool.. it's not cool, it's funny and serious. There's one of him.. there's fucking millions of shit establishment painter wannabes and a whole world of compromised in it for the money artists, you pass thouisands of images a day selling crap.. have a go at them, one Banksy... you shouldn't forget this..regradless of how much coverage he gets or sales he makes. He's not in it for the money.. his PR company promote a message, not a shallow talentless man.
The mainstream are interested in whats fashionable and what makes money. If you are Damien Hirst that is fine. If you are Banksy its not. His appeal is based on being anti-establishment. Having massive PR campaigns and thousand dollar gallery launches to get his messages across is hypocritical. His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to.. I hread the smae about Michael Moore.. sell out this, sell out that.. the cult of personality is exactly what he's trying to avoid. It's shit that the supposed underground and original fans are the first to bite.. sad too. His message is the same ! he hasn't changed, you have. Swayed ny the cult of the cool.. it's not cool, it's funny and serious. There's one of him.. there's fucking millions of shit establishment painter wannabes and a whole world of compromised in it for the money artists, you pass thouisands of images a day selling crap.. have a go at them, one Banksy... you shouldn't forget this..regradless of how much coverage he gets or sales he makes. He's not in it for the money.. his PR company promote a message, not a shallow talentless man. |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by alvington89 on Nov 20, 2006 22:25:23 GMT 1, Nothing is despised more in this Country than success.
Nothing is despised more in this Country than success.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by numusic on Nov 20, 2006 22:26:55 GMT 1, The mainstream are interested in whats fashionable and what makes money. If you are Damien Hirst that is fine. If you are Banksy its not. His appeal is based on being anti-establishment. Having massive PR campaigns and thousand dollar gallery launches to get his messages across is hypocritical. His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to.. I hread the smae about Michael Moore.. sell out this, sell out that.. the cult of personality is exactly what he's trying to avoid. It's s**t that the supposed underground and original fans are the first to bite.. sad too. His message is the same ! he hasn't changed, you have. Swayed ny the cult of the cool.. it's not cool, it's funny and serious. There's one of him.. there's f**king millions of s**t establishment painter wannabes and a whole world of compromised in it for the money artists, you pass thouisands of images a day selling crap.. have a go at them, one Banksy... you shouldn't forget this..regradless of how much coverage he gets or sales he makes. He's not in it for the money.. his PR company promote a message, not a shallow talentless man.
He's right about my spelling though, goes to pot when I get on a passionate rant ;D
The mainstream are interested in whats fashionable and what makes money. If you are Damien Hirst that is fine. If you are Banksy its not. His appeal is based on being anti-establishment. Having massive PR campaigns and thousand dollar gallery launches to get his messages across is hypocritical. His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to.. I hread the smae about Michael Moore.. sell out this, sell out that.. the cult of personality is exactly what he's trying to avoid. It's s**t that the supposed underground and original fans are the first to bite.. sad too. His message is the same ! he hasn't changed, you have. Swayed ny the cult of the cool.. it's not cool, it's funny and serious. There's one of him.. there's f**king millions of s**t establishment painter wannabes and a whole world of compromised in it for the money artists, you pass thouisands of images a day selling crap.. have a go at them, one Banksy... you shouldn't forget this..regradless of how much coverage he gets or sales he makes. He's not in it for the money.. his PR company promote a message, not a shallow talentless man. He's right about my spelling though, goes to pot when I get on a passionate rant ;D |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by LoveRat on Nov 20, 2006 23:48:13 GMT 1, His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to.. I hread the smae about Michael Moore.. sell out this, sell out that.. the cult of personality is exactly what he's trying to avoid. It's s**t that the supposed underground and original fans are the first to bite.. sad too. His message is the same ! he hasn't changed, you have. Swayed ny the cult of the cool.. it's not cool, it's funny and serious. There's one of him.. there's f**king millions of s**t establishment painter wannabes and a whole world of compromised in it for the money artists, you pass thouisands of images a day selling crap.. have a go at them, one Banksy... you shouldn't forget this..regradless of how much coverage he gets or sales he makes. He's not in it for the money.. his PR company promote a message, not a shallow talentless man. He's right about my spelling though, goes to pot when I get on a passionate rant ;D
don't worry Nu, happens to thouisands of us ;D
His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to.. I hread the smae about Michael Moore.. sell out this, sell out that.. the cult of personality is exactly what he's trying to avoid. It's s**t that the supposed underground and original fans are the first to bite.. sad too. His message is the same ! he hasn't changed, you have. Swayed ny the cult of the cool.. it's not cool, it's funny and serious. There's one of him.. there's f**king millions of s**t establishment painter wannabes and a whole world of compromised in it for the money artists, you pass thouisands of images a day selling crap.. have a go at them, one Banksy... you shouldn't forget this..regradless of how much coverage he gets or sales he makes. He's not in it for the money.. his PR company promote a message, not a shallow talentless man. He's right about my spelling though, goes to pot when I get on a passionate rant ;D don't worry Nu, happens to thouisands of us ;D |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 21, 2006 10:46:21 GMT 1, His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to - numusic
I totally agree, thats why i wish Banksy would stick to street art. Taking your work into galleries makes it elitist. If the only people who are buying your work are celebrities and city traders and your work is being kept in climate controlled vaults (might be an exaggeration!) as an investment what message is that sending. I preferred the work when it was up on the street and free for all. The impact of a piece on a wall is infinitely more accessible and powerful than a canvas hung on a gallery wall.
His message is meant for thousands if not millions, it's a message the whole world should see and wake up to - numusic
I totally agree, thats why i wish Banksy would stick to street art. Taking your work into galleries makes it elitist. If the only people who are buying your work are celebrities and city traders and your work is being kept in climate controlled vaults (might be an exaggeration!) as an investment what message is that sending. I preferred the work when it was up on the street and free for all. The impact of a piece on a wall is infinitely more accessible and powerful than a canvas hung on a gallery wall.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by Curley on Nov 21, 2006 11:29:47 GMT 1, Yesterday at 3:16pm, yab wrote:
www.briansewell.com/artist/b-artist/banksy/banksy-portrait-revealed.html
That is definitely not Banksy unless the man i know as Simon (pictured) is actually Banksy.
This man used to tour with The Orb and has a Brian Sewell website.
Good work Simon
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Banksy is a sellout..., by sputnikeye on Nov 21, 2006 11:34:48 GMT 1, These days the net is the wall
These days the net is the wall
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Banksy is a sellout..., by irf2112 on Nov 21, 2006 11:42:14 GMT 1, No need to argue - simple soln.
If you like you stay
If you don't like you spend time elsewhere
Simple..
No need to argue - simple soln.
If you like you stay
If you don't like you spend time elsewhere
Simple..
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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 21, 2006 12:17:12 GMT 1, i like banksy and the forum. if i didn't i wouldn't post on it. if you can't criticise banksy whats the point in having a forum? discussing by how many seconds (not you in particular) you missed the applause print or how much your signed print makes on ebay is not interesting to me. thats about money not banksy.
i like banksy and the forum. if i didn't i wouldn't post on it. if you can't criticise banksy whats the point in having a forum? discussing by how many seconds (not you in particular) you missed the applause print or how much your signed print makes on ebay is not interesting to me. thats about money not banksy.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by HowAboutNo on Nov 21, 2006 12:40:08 GMT 1, and your work is being kept in climate controlled vaults (might be an exaggeration!)
errrrrrm....anyone been to Laz recently? If stuck behind a flimsy curtain and on the shitty cement/damp ridden basement floor is climate controlled, then yeah!!  Shocking!
It was all gm's fault, she made me look.
and your work is being kept in climate controlled vaults (might be an exaggeration!) errrrrrm....anyone been to Laz recently? If stuck behind a flimsy curtain and on the shitty cement/damp ridden basement floor is climate controlled, then yeah!! Shocking! It was all gm's fault, she made me look. |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by numusic on Nov 21, 2006 16:04:56 GMT 1, i like banksy and the forum. if i didn't i wouldn't post on it. if you can't criticise banksy whats the point in having a forum? discussing by how many seconds (not you in particular) you missed the applause print or how much your signed print makes on ebay is not interesting to me. thats about money not banksy.
Agreed, I thought your points were really valid and opened up a good discussion, especially during this mad print craze (and craze is what it is), it's easy to loose track of WHY we like Banksy and related artists, and it's certainly not about the money.. for most. Then again, I can also understand the added sugar kick that buying something that increases in price (not value) by x 5 the day after, a mini winning of the lottery for most. But this wears off, and the value of what's left remains the same for most. A lasting image of the funny fucked up world in which we live.
i like banksy and the forum. if i didn't i wouldn't post on it. if you can't criticise banksy whats the point in having a forum? discussing by how many seconds (not you in particular) you missed the applause print or how much your signed print makes on ebay is not interesting to me. thats about money not banksy. Agreed, I thought your points were really valid and opened up a good discussion, especially during this mad print craze (and craze is what it is), it's easy to loose track of WHY we like Banksy and related artists, and it's certainly not about the money.. for most. Then again, I can also understand the added sugar kick that buying something that increases in price (not value) by x 5 the day after, a mini winning of the lottery for most. But this wears off, and the value of what's left remains the same for most. A lasting image of the funny fucked up world in which we live. |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by RBK on Nov 21, 2006 16:18:25 GMT 1, If someone showed up to your job and just decided to start paying you 5x what you made; there isn't one person on this forum that would turn it down. Would you instaneously be a sell-out because you were doing it for cheaper before? Who knows if Banksy is donating all his money or buying a Bentley. Who cares is more important - his message doesn't change as his fame / bank account grows.
We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse.
That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks.
If someone showed up to your job and just decided to start paying you 5x what you made; there isn't one person on this forum that would turn it down. Would you instaneously be a sell-out because you were doing it for cheaper before? Who knows if Banksy is donating all his money or buying a Bentley. Who cares is more important - his message doesn't change as his fame / bank account grows.
We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse.
That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 21, 2006 17:39:07 GMT 1, rklimek wrote :- We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse.
That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks.
This is exactly the attitude i'm against. Banksy is in my mind foremost a street artist and represents < .00001% of all the people at work in it. The art world is about making money (for you, your dealer and collectors)(i'm not against this and do get excited by lots of contemporary artists) and raising your profile. Street art is about getting your work up, being seen and sometimes making a valid point, nothing to do with financial gain. The good thing about Banksy is not that he has blown up or that he is making money for the people who bought his prints early. Its that hes interesting, fun, clever and makes you question things. There is a world of difference from putting your work up on the street to putting it up in a gallery. The motivations seem completely different to me. I don't know where Banksy fits in anymore. If he is a contemporary gallery artist making $$$ fair play to him, but this goes against my (rose tinted?) vision of him.
rklimek wrote :- We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse.
That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks.
This is exactly the attitude i'm against. Banksy is in my mind foremost a street artist and represents < .00001% of all the people at work in it. The art world is about making money (for you, your dealer and collectors)(i'm not against this and do get excited by lots of contemporary artists) and raising your profile. Street art is about getting your work up, being seen and sometimes making a valid point, nothing to do with financial gain. The good thing about Banksy is not that he has blown up or that he is making money for the people who bought his prints early. Its that hes interesting, fun, clever and makes you question things. There is a world of difference from putting your work up on the street to putting it up in a gallery. The motivations seem completely different to me. I don't know where Banksy fits in anymore. If he is a contemporary gallery artist making $$$ fair play to him, but this goes against my (rose tinted?) vision of him.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by corblimeylimey on Nov 21, 2006 17:52:58 GMT 1, Yes there is a difference between work on the street and in a gallery, but it can still be, as you put it, interesting, fun, clever and make you question things. His audience might be different and his place of work might be different but I still think his art and standards are pretty much the same, the fact he's now making money from it doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned, it's not as though he's changed his style or opinions to make an image make more money.
Yes there is a difference between work on the street and in a gallery, but it can still be, as you put it, interesting, fun, clever and make you question things. His audience might be different and his place of work might be different but I still think his art and standards are pretty much the same, the fact he's now making money from it doesn't come into it as far as I'm concerned, it's not as though he's changed his style or opinions to make an image make more money.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by RBK on Nov 21, 2006 18:09:15 GMT 1, rklimek wrote :- We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse. That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks. This is exactly the attitude i'm against.
You completely missed my point - it was that calling Banksy a sell-out because he has achieved big success is ridiculous.
And on a personal level, while I do have a vested interest in the value of his prints going up - on the other hand I don't really care that much. I enjoy his works and bought them to hang on my walls, not sit in a portfolio and gain interest.
rklimek wrote :- We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse. That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks. This is exactly the attitude i'm against. You completely missed my point - it was that calling Banksy a sell-out because he has achieved big success is ridiculous. And on a personal level, while I do have a vested interest in the value of his prints going up - on the other hand I don't really care that much. I enjoy his works and bought them to hang on my walls, not sit in a portfolio and gain interest. |
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