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Banksy is a sellout..., by mwjm0 on Nov 21, 2006 18:15:49 GMT 1, Your point sounded like we should all be happy because we had backed the right 'horse' and that the fun would come to an end when banksys prices had levelled off. don't get me wrong i'm not allergic to money. if you can make ยฃ2000+ from a ยฃ500 print there are not many people who would be against that! i did not start the thread and would never call banksy a sell-out. i'm trying to understand how a street artist can cross the divide to becoming a mainstream artist and still remain credible.
Your point sounded like we should all be happy because we had backed the right 'horse' and that the fun would come to an end when banksys prices had levelled off. don't get me wrong i'm not allergic to money. if you can make ยฃ2000+ from a ยฃ500 print there are not many people who would be against that! i did not start the thread and would never call banksy a sell-out. i'm trying to understand how a street artist can cross the divide to becoming a mainstream artist and still remain credible.
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Banksy is a sellout..., by RBK on Nov 21, 2006 18:49:14 GMT 1, Your point sounded like we should all be happy because we had backed the right 'horse' and that the fun would come to an end when banksys prices had levelled off. don't get me wrong i'm not allergic to money. if you can make ยฃ2000+ from a ยฃ500 print there are not many people who would be against that! i did not start the thread and would never call banksy a sell-out. i'm trying to understand how a street artist can cross the divide to becoming a mainstream artist and still remain credible.
mwjm0 - I've been a member of this forum for a while and many of the other members can attest to my credibility.
There is quite an easy answer to your 'how a street artist can cross the divide to becoming mainstream and still remain credible' question:
1. Keep doing street art for the masses to enjoy
2. Release prints through a print shop (POW) that proactively chooses to keep prices low so a more general public can enjoy his works. POW could sell these prints for much more than they do, and Banksy could chose to just do gallery shows from here on out. But they don't.
Your point sounded like we should all be happy because we had backed the right 'horse' and that the fun would come to an end when banksys prices had levelled off. don't get me wrong i'm not allergic to money. if you can make ยฃ2000+ from a ยฃ500 print there are not many people who would be against that! i did not start the thread and would never call banksy a sell-out. i'm trying to understand how a street artist can cross the divide to becoming a mainstream artist and still remain credible. mwjm0 - I've been a member of this forum for a while and many of the other members can attest to my credibility. There is quite an easy answer to your 'how a street artist can cross the divide to becoming mainstream and still remain credible' question: 1. Keep doing street art for the masses to enjoy 2. Release prints through a print shop (POW) that proactively chooses to keep prices low so a more general public can enjoy his works. POW could sell these prints for much more than they do, and Banksy could chose to just do gallery shows from here on out. But they don't. |
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Banksy is a sellout..., by numusic on Nov 21, 2006 18:58:42 GMT 1, rklimek wrote :- We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse. That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks. This is exactly the attitude i'm against. Banksy is in my mind foremost a street artist and represents < .00001% of all the people at work in it. The art world is about making money (for you, your dealer and collectors)(i'm not against this and do get excited by lots of contemporary artists) and raising your profile. Street art is about getting your work up, being seen and sometimes making a valid point, nothing to do with financial gain. The good thing about Banksy is not that he has blown up or that he is making money for the people who bought his prints early. Its that hes interesting, fun, clever and makes you question things. There is a world of difference from putting your work up on the street to putting it up in a gallery. The motivations seem completely different to me. I don't know where Banksy fits in anymore. If he is a contemporary gallery artist making $$$ fair play to him, but this goes against my (rose tinted?) vision of him.
I agree mainly, but things are changing, I work with a lot of street artists and there's a massive interest from galleries, it's quite exciting for street artists to show in galleries, but of course, it will never replace the buzz of hitting up a city at night. This is working both ways also, there are quite a few good artists coming through the fine art and graphics graduate scene who are moving onto the streets.. There are quite a few shifts, and its not all coming from a writers perspective of getting up. I think mixing this shit up is positive.. I used to be a lot more purist, but realised things are not so clear cut anymore and haven't been for a few years.. most of the spaces showing this work are artists led, Stolen Space etc the rest are still in dirty basements, banksy had a classic warehouse show in a shitty area and though I think Baltic's spank the monkey kinda sucked.. it must have been exciting for most of the artists showing.
A lot of opportunities to travel the world, get paint, make large scale works and hook up with peers and newcomers has come out of this. I for one am happy that more and more people are been exposed to this tyope of work and attitude.. I doubt the gallery system can contain it.. seems they'll be playing by our rules rather than the other way around. That secondary market is full of salesmen, it's a fact of any creative pursuit in todays world, but we can seperate the crap from the art.. some agents and dealers are ok and support artists, Laz etc.. others not so.. and hey, if it all collapses tomorrow, we'll still be surprised by fresh work from new artists on the walls on the way home.. I suspect, including works by Mr B ;-)
was that a bit long ? 
rklimek wrote :- We should be celebrating that we were on the pulse before Banksy 'blew up'. This happens to one artist every 20-25 years and luckily we all bet on the right horse. That being said, the fun will come to an end. I can't name one artists whose work has kept on going up and up. Not sure if anyone else has been noticing (with the recent print release craziness) but prices have scaled back a bit over the past few weeks. This is exactly the attitude i'm against. Banksy is in my mind foremost a street artist and represents < .00001% of all the people at work in it. The art world is about making money (for you, your dealer and collectors)(i'm not against this and do get excited by lots of contemporary artists) and raising your profile. Street art is about getting your work up, being seen and sometimes making a valid point, nothing to do with financial gain. The good thing about Banksy is not that he has blown up or that he is making money for the people who bought his prints early. Its that hes interesting, fun, clever and makes you question things. There is a world of difference from putting your work up on the street to putting it up in a gallery. The motivations seem completely different to me. I don't know where Banksy fits in anymore. If he is a contemporary gallery artist making $$$ fair play to him, but this goes against my (rose tinted?) vision of him. I agree mainly, but things are changing, I work with a lot of street artists and there's a massive interest from galleries, it's quite exciting for street artists to show in galleries, but of course, it will never replace the buzz of hitting up a city at night. This is working both ways also, there are quite a few good artists coming through the fine art and graphics graduate scene who are moving onto the streets.. There are quite a few shifts, and its not all coming from a writers perspective of getting up. I think mixing this shit up is positive.. I used to be a lot more purist, but realised things are not so clear cut anymore and haven't been for a few years.. most of the spaces showing this work are artists led, Stolen Space etc the rest are still in dirty basements, banksy had a classic warehouse show in a shitty area and though I think Baltic's spank the monkey kinda sucked.. it must have been exciting for most of the artists showing. A lot of opportunities to travel the world, get paint, make large scale works and hook up with peers and newcomers has come out of this. I for one am happy that more and more people are been exposed to this tyope of work and attitude.. I doubt the gallery system can contain it.. seems they'll be playing by our rules rather than the other way around. That secondary market is full of salesmen, it's a fact of any creative pursuit in todays world, but we can seperate the crap from the art.. some agents and dealers are ok and support artists, Laz etc.. others not so.. and hey, if it all collapses tomorrow, we'll still be surprised by fresh work from new artists on the walls on the way home.. I suspect, including works by Mr B ;-) was that a bit long ? |
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