woozie
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Being arrested, by woozie on Oct 19, 2008 1:25:33 GMT 1, Hello all,
This might be a stupid question; it might not. Unfortunately, the only way to find out is by asking.
Is it quite implicit to be arrested, at one point or another, during a street art (or graffiti) 'career?'
In other words; is it possible, if you are careful, to avoid police detention at all?
I say this because I was thinking about Bansky earlier, and I was thinking; the guy's probably been arrested a couple of times, but yet there's no absolute confirmation as to who he is. But if he has been arrested, wouldn't his identity have been leaked?
Also, would anyone like to share their personal experiences with the police? Or, just vent your opinion in general. It would be most interesting to hear.
Pardon me if I sound naive. Just curious.
Hello all,
This might be a stupid question; it might not. Unfortunately, the only way to find out is by asking.
Is it quite implicit to be arrested, at one point or another, during a street art (or graffiti) 'career?'
In other words; is it possible, if you are careful, to avoid police detention at all?
I say this because I was thinking about Bansky earlier, and I was thinking; the guy's probably been arrested a couple of times, but yet there's no absolute confirmation as to who he is. But if he has been arrested, wouldn't his identity have been leaked?
Also, would anyone like to share their personal experiences with the police? Or, just vent your opinion in general. It would be most interesting to hear.
Pardon me if I sound naive. Just curious.
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Being arrested, by wiz on Oct 19, 2008 1:30:44 GMT 1, Well, i was stopped for speeding once but he let me off, also another time i did ask a policeman in Liverpool the way to Wallasey and he drove in front of my car like an escort, which i thought was v good of him.
Edit. Woosie i have just read your last few posts , wheatpastes and poster creation etc. have you now been nicked?
Well, i was stopped for speeding once but he let me off, also another time i did ask a policeman in Liverpool the way to Wallasey and he drove in front of my car like an escort, which i thought was v good of him. Edit. Woosie i have just read your last few posts , wheatpastes and poster creation etc. have you now been nicked?
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woozie
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Being arrested, by woozie on Oct 19, 2008 1:48:58 GMT 1, No Wizbong, quite the opposite - I guess you could say I WANT to start wheatpasting posters BUT I'm afraid of getting arrested.
Rip into me all you want; should I be afraid of getting arrested?
No Wizbong, quite the opposite - I guess you could say I WANT to start wheatpasting posters BUT I'm afraid of getting arrested.
Rip into me all you want; should I be afraid of getting arrested?
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Being arrested, by wiz on Oct 19, 2008 2:01:08 GMT 1, well i would be afraid of being arrested, i saw Midnight Express . Are you a good runner? i suppose you just go for it.
well i would be afraid of being arrested, i saw Midnight Express . Are you a good runner? i suppose you just go for it.
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Show&Tell
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Being arrested, by Show&Tell on Oct 19, 2008 2:43:13 GMT 1, No Wizbong, quite the opposite - I guess you could say I WANT to start wheatpasting posters BUT I'm afraid of getting arrested. Rip into me all you want; should I be afraid of getting arrested?
If you get caught the most you will get is a fine or community service.
Grow a pair and get up!
No Wizbong, quite the opposite - I guess you could say I WANT to start wheatpasting posters BUT I'm afraid of getting arrested. Rip into me all you want; should I be afraid of getting arrested? If you get caught the most you will get is a fine or community service. Grow a pair and get up!
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Being arrested, by data on Oct 19, 2008 13:14:41 GMT 1, If their just paste ups then you'll probable get away with it, as you can just rip it down and show no damage was caused. As soon as you start playing with paint it becomes criminal damage. But to be honest its not even worth thinking about, its minor, you haven't just killed someone. But if you do get caught and you don't manage to get away its worth being as cooperative as possible, because a lot of them are c**t and blowing up in their face will just get you a section 5 as well. Its all a big game.
If their just paste ups then you'll probable get away with it, as you can just rip it down and show no damage was caused. As soon as you start playing with paint it becomes criminal damage. But to be honest its not even worth thinking about, its minor, you haven't just killed someone. But if you do get caught and you don't manage to get away its worth being as cooperative as possible, because a lot of them are c**t and blowing up in their face will just get you a section 5 as well. Its all a big game.
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BK83
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Being arrested, by BK83 on Oct 19, 2008 16:56:42 GMT 1, depends on where you are located. in the UK and Australia flyposting just carries a fine I believe. Maybe community service if you are a repeat offender. Really no big deal. In NYC however, flyposting is deemed entirely illegal and put in the same context as traditional spray paint graffiti, so getting caught will cost you a night in the cells and community service. (trust me. You do not want to get caught in NYC. I have spent one too many nights in the tombs here.....)
depends on where you are located. in the UK and Australia flyposting just carries a fine I believe. Maybe community service if you are a repeat offender. Really no big deal. In NYC however, flyposting is deemed entirely illegal and put in the same context as traditional spray paint graffiti, so getting caught will cost you a night in the cells and community service. (trust me. You do not want to get caught in NYC. I have spent one too many nights in the tombs here.....)
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Being arrested, by Aza on Oct 20, 2008 11:19:28 GMT 1, I got caught recently using spray paint. 40 hours of community service starts on wednesday
I got caught recently using spray paint. 40 hours of community service starts on wednesday
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elwheel
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Being arrested, by elwheel on Oct 20, 2008 16:52:48 GMT 1, I got caught about five years ago. Few hours in a cell, dabbed and bound over for a year. A year later the same hateful bastards raided my house confiscated load of computer disks etc and questioned me for 6 hours. Hasn't put me off bacon tho.
I got caught about five years ago. Few hours in a cell, dabbed and bound over for a year. A year later the same hateful bastards raided my house confiscated load of computer disks etc and questioned me for 6 hours. Hasn't put me off bacon tho.
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Being arrested, by richy00 on Oct 20, 2008 17:33:06 GMT 1, i got arrested the other night on suspicion or serious assault.. though it wasnt me so they let me go after a while.... thought i had smashed in some kid..
i got arrested the other night on suspicion or serious assault.. though it wasnt me so they let me go after a while.... thought i had smashed in some kid..
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Tiki
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Being arrested, by Tiki on Oct 21, 2008 17:18:11 GMT 1, Been chased by 3 security guards, it was hilarious as they were either 50+ or hugely overweight. Soon stopped laughing when a dog appeared though. Worst bit was i lost the stencil that took a good 5 hours of cutting.
Been chased by 3 security guards, it was hilarious as they were either 50+ or hugely overweight. Soon stopped laughing when a dog appeared though. Worst bit was i lost the stencil that took a good 5 hours of cutting.
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andrewd
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Being arrested, by andrewd on Oct 21, 2008 19:54:10 GMT 1, I got caught recently using spray paint. 40 hours of community service starts on wednesday
Sorry to hear that. Just for the one lot of painting? That does seem rather harsh, either that or as Banksy said you 'live somewhere were they still point at aeroplanes.'
I got caught recently using spray paint. 40 hours of community service starts on wednesday Sorry to hear that. Just for the one lot of painting? That does seem rather harsh, either that or as Banksy said you 'live somewhere were they still point at aeroplanes.'
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baznyc
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Being arrested, by baznyc on Oct 21, 2008 20:12:10 GMT 1, I got caught recently using spray paint. 40 hours of community service starts on wednesday
Tough break Aza, but could have been worse. Surprised they nicked you. Must have been a quiet night.
I got caught recently using spray paint. 40 hours of community service starts on wednesday Tough break Aza, but could have been worse. Surprised they nicked you. Must have been a quiet night.
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baznyc
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Being arrested, by baznyc on Oct 21, 2008 20:50:47 GMT 1, If their just paste ups then you'll probable get away with it, as you can just rip it down and show no damage was caused. As soon as you start playing with paint it becomes criminal damage. But to be honest its not even worth thinking about, its minor, you haven't just killed someone. But if you do get caught and you don't manage to get away its worth being as cooperative as possible, because a lot of them are c**ts and blowing up in their face will just get you a section 5 as well. Its all a big game.
Good advice. You could also try what a well known graff artist does when he gets caught. He pretends to be simple in the head and usually gets the sympathy vote and a kick up the arse. Beats having your dabs taken.
If their just paste ups then you'll probable get away with it, as you can just rip it down and show no damage was caused. As soon as you start playing with paint it becomes criminal damage. But to be honest its not even worth thinking about, its minor, you haven't just killed someone. But if you do get caught and you don't manage to get away its worth being as cooperative as possible, because a lot of them are c**ts and blowing up in their face will just get you a section 5 as well. Its all a big game. Good advice. You could also try what a well known graff artist does when he gets caught. He pretends to be simple in the head and usually gets the sympathy vote and a kick up the arse. Beats having your dabs taken.
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woozie
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Being arrested, by woozie on Oct 22, 2008 0:34:39 GMT 1, 'simple in the head'... heh, lol'd at that one.
Thanks for the answers guys. But my main question hasn't been answered yet: Is it, or is not, implicit to making street art that you will be arrested at least once?
Also, the reason why I haven't 'grown a pair' is quite complex. You see, I'm not that afraid of the cops (I'm a white, non - gangsta student), though of course I am somewhat scared of receiving a beating for whatever reason (we all know some cops are more degenerate than others). No, what I worry about is my record.
I have big ambitions in life. Like, really big. I'm intelligient enough to pursue a career in many areas; I could be a lawyer if I really want. But I love street art too; I fear that being arrested would ultimately inhibit my chances of receiving said career. It would be the end of any academic success.
I know that probably sounds a bit strange to you guys, but there you go. Thoughts?
Oh, and by the way, I'm in BC Canada, (used to live in Wales though), about an hour away from Vancouver. So no major street art scene here at all.
*edit* The 'simple in the head' thing just reminded me; what other ingenious ways are there of avoiding notice or getting a light sentence? For example, Banksy spoke about wearing headphones and a workers jacket - I remember reading about a graff artist who did that too, Italy I think, and he sometimes does his pieces in broad daylight. Also, if I remember correctly the Bansky 'One nation under CCTV' piece in London was disguised underneath construction poles and tarp; I do wonder how he got into the Post Office compound though...
'simple in the head'... heh, lol'd at that one.
Thanks for the answers guys. But my main question hasn't been answered yet: Is it, or is not, implicit to making street art that you will be arrested at least once?
Also, the reason why I haven't 'grown a pair' is quite complex. You see, I'm not that afraid of the cops (I'm a white, non - gangsta student), though of course I am somewhat scared of receiving a beating for whatever reason (we all know some cops are more degenerate than others). No, what I worry about is my record.
I have big ambitions in life. Like, really big. I'm intelligient enough to pursue a career in many areas; I could be a lawyer if I really want. But I love street art too; I fear that being arrested would ultimately inhibit my chances of receiving said career. It would be the end of any academic success.
I know that probably sounds a bit strange to you guys, but there you go. Thoughts?
Oh, and by the way, I'm in BC Canada, (used to live in Wales though), about an hour away from Vancouver. So no major street art scene here at all.
*edit* The 'simple in the head' thing just reminded me; what other ingenious ways are there of avoiding notice or getting a light sentence? For example, Banksy spoke about wearing headphones and a workers jacket - I remember reading about a graff artist who did that too, Italy I think, and he sometimes does his pieces in broad daylight. Also, if I remember correctly the Bansky 'One nation under CCTV' piece in London was disguised underneath construction poles and tarp; I do wonder how he got into the Post Office compound though...
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EYESAW
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Being arrested, by EYESAW on Oct 22, 2008 2:08:54 GMT 1, AS SPQR SAID... DONT LIVE IN FEAR ..JUST GO FOR IT
AS SPQR SAID... DONT LIVE IN FEAR ..JUST GO FOR IT
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andrewd
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Being arrested, by andrewd on Oct 22, 2008 9:01:51 GMT 1, [quote au ; I do wonder how he got into the Post Office compound though...[/quote]
He got the building owners consent and they probably just asked the Post Office for permission to put essential scaffolding for a couple of days. That's what I am presuming.
[quote au ; I do wonder how he got into the Post Office compound though...[/quote]
He got the building owners consent and they probably just asked the Post Office for permission to put essential scaffolding for a couple of days. That's what I am presuming.
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Being arrested, by Martin Whatson on Oct 23, 2008 2:37:25 GMT 1, Alot of people also get blinded if you do stuff without hiding it! Nothing more suspicious than a guy with a hoodie and spraycans walking around in the dark! But if you dress nice, dont act like a total idiot and pretend like its the most common thing in the world I think most people would just look at you and walk past without interfering or bothering!
Spqr said most of it good!
Alot of people also get blinded if you do stuff without hiding it! Nothing more suspicious than a guy with a hoodie and spraycans walking around in the dark! But if you dress nice, dont act like a total idiot and pretend like its the most common thing in the world I think most people would just look at you and walk past without interfering or bothering! Spqr said most of it good!
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Being arrested, by onemandown72 on Oct 25, 2008 23:37:42 GMT 1, The more you look like you should be there the more you'll get left alone.
The more you look like you should be there the more you'll get left alone.
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Being arrested, by gerry on Nov 4, 2008 14:25:20 GMT 1, On another point, do you think they could have arrested Neate for his street pieces by considering them littering?
On another point, do you think they could have arrested Neate for his street pieces by considering them littering?
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Being arrested, by Ged on Nov 4, 2008 14:35:37 GMT 1, On another point, do you think they could have arrested Neate for his street pieces by considering them littering?
More often than not the most he'd get would be a fixed penalty notice.
On another point, do you think they could have arrested Neate for his street pieces by considering them littering? More often than not the most he'd get would be a fixed penalty notice.
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Being arrested, by stickitup on Nov 5, 2008 18:04:12 GMT 1, ok i'll put some input here. if you do significant damage then you will get arrested at some point as the laws of average go. do not go out vandalising when you are drunk - although it gives you the courage to get up without caring who is looking at you - and 99 times out of 100 thats fine, however not knowing when that 1% will be will mean you will get cought. I survived 20 years with no capture by being sensible about where and when you put your mark up. when i did get caught, i made the mistake of offering a full and frank statement about it being me who did the damage. Now as I had a lot to lose if I had drawn it out I think they could have raided me and taken all my stuff. The key to bare in mind here is if your house is clean deny it, until they put you in front of a judge deny it. DO NOT ADMIT IT WAS YOU. If possible get an understanding girlfriend who can keep look out for you and also be prepared to run like your life depended on it, most police are not that fit and will soon tire if they chase you.
ok i'll put some input here. if you do significant damage then you will get arrested at some point as the laws of average go. do not go out vandalising when you are drunk - although it gives you the courage to get up without caring who is looking at you - and 99 times out of 100 thats fine, however not knowing when that 1% will be will mean you will get cought. I survived 20 years with no capture by being sensible about where and when you put your mark up. when i did get caught, i made the mistake of offering a full and frank statement about it being me who did the damage. Now as I had a lot to lose if I had drawn it out I think they could have raided me and taken all my stuff. The key to bare in mind here is if your house is clean deny it, until they put you in front of a judge deny it. DO NOT ADMIT IT WAS YOU. If possible get an understanding girlfriend who can keep look out for you and also be prepared to run like your life depended on it, most police are not that fit and will soon tire if they chase you.
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Being arrested, by lastpost on Nov 5, 2008 23:03:11 GMT 1, I know that probably sounds a bit strange to you guys, but there you go. Thoughts?
Yes, that does sound strange.
I know that probably sounds a bit strange to you guys, but there you go. Thoughts? Yes, that does sound strange.
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Being arrested, by stender on Nov 19, 2008 20:29:11 GMT 1, Are you asking if it's a requirement to have been nicked to be considered a street artist? You can take precautions too. Depending where your doing it. From high vis vest to sticking a bt tent up against the wall, to tarpauling off an area. and when you've made the big time you can do a banksy and get some builders to put up a plywood screen and box you in to take as long as you want.
Are you asking if it's a requirement to have been nicked to be considered a street artist? You can take precautions too. Depending where your doing it. From high vis vest to sticking a bt tent up against the wall, to tarpauling off an area. and when you've made the big time you can do a banksy and get some builders to put up a plywood screen and box you in to take as long as you want.
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Being arrested, by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 20:35:06 GMT 1, i agree with that. If u act in way that would not suggest a criminal activity, then most people with think there is not a crime taking place. works with most crimes ;D
i agree with that. If u act in way that would not suggest a criminal activity, then most people with think there is not a crime taking place. works with most crimes ;D
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Being arrested, by hero on Nov 19, 2008 20:51:34 GMT 1, well the basic law is for posters fly posting-can be a fine can be night in the cells and a record...same really for graff
basic rule is that you may lose some job prospects and wont be able to go to the US
well the basic law is for posters fly posting-can be a fine can be night in the cells and a record...same really for graff
basic rule is that you may lose some job prospects and wont be able to go to the US
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Being arrested, by grantb on Nov 22, 2008 14:07:24 GMT 1, i got caught spraying up when i was 16. got put in a cell till 3am. got questoned, dna taken and then got a warning. got let off. just be nice if you get caught and ull be fine.
i got caught spraying up when i was 16. got put in a cell till 3am. got questoned, dna taken and then got a warning. got let off. just be nice if you get caught and ull be fine.
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linkd95
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Being arrested, by linkd95 on Nov 22, 2008 14:15:52 GMT 1, I would be worried about being arrested but if you wanted to do it on a shop or something ask the shop owner i reckon he/she will be more than happy to have a bit of art on their shop might even make the value rise a little if you know what i mean
I would be worried about being arrested but if you wanted to do it on a shop or something ask the shop owner i reckon he/she will be more than happy to have a bit of art on their shop might even make the value rise a little if you know what i mean
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Being arrested, by veralynn on Nov 22, 2008 17:05:44 GMT 1, Surely if you do it at about 2am on Sat/Sun morning you've got zero chance of getting caught as the limited police resources will be engaged sorting out piss heads etc...?
Surely if you do it at about 2am on Sat/Sun morning you've got zero chance of getting caught as the limited police resources will be engaged sorting out piss heads etc...?
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BlightSociety
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Being arrested, by BlightSociety on Nov 23, 2008 22:32:06 GMT 1, ok i'll put some input here. if you do significant damage then you will get arrested at some point as the laws of average go. do not go out vandalising when you are drunk - although it gives you the courage to get up without caring who is looking at you - and 99 times out of 100 thats fine, however not knowing when that 1% will be will mean you will get cought. I survived 20 years with no capture by being sensible about where and when you put your mark up. when i did get caught, i made the mistake of offering a full and frank statement about it being me who did the damage. Now as I had a lot to lose if I had drawn it out I think they could have raided me and taken all my stuff. The key to bare in mind here is if your house is clean deny it, until they put you in front of a judge deny it. DO NOT ADMIT IT WAS YOU. If possible get an understanding girlfriend who can keep look out for you and also be prepared to run like your life depended on it, most police are not that fit and will soon tire if they chase you.
Other than the girlfriend bit I agree with stickitup. Act real nice wile you lie youโre a**e off. Most of the artists I know who have got a record incriminated themselves, at least the first time. The smarter you are about how you do your thing the more time youโll spend free but at the end of the day itโs all down to luck. There are no guarantees.
Also, they donโt have to go easy on you cos itโs your first offence. My first I got my place raided and ยฃ350 of paint seesed, a ยฃ600 fine, 120 hours community service, a 2 year ASBO and as a result of the police action I also lost my job and my flat. Lifeโs a b*tch some times.
I would be worried about being arrested but if you wanted to do it on a shop or something ask the shop owner i reckon he/she will be more than happy to have a bit of art on their shop might even make the value rise a little if you know what i mean I had a commission sorted for a shop near Hackney Market. A mural to paint over some tags. The day I arrive with my paint the owner shows me a letter from Hackney council telling him to remove โallโ graffiti from his walls or heโll be fined for the cost of its removal. Apparently that also includes commissioned graffiti as it adds to fear of crime. What really takes the p*ss is that not a half mile down the road is banksyโs artist with a ball and chain piece the same council has been cleaning up and repairing! One rule for them, another for the rest of us. Shambles.
ok i'll put some input here. if you do significant damage then you will get arrested at some point as the laws of average go. do not go out vandalising when you are drunk - although it gives you the courage to get up without caring who is looking at you - and 99 times out of 100 thats fine, however not knowing when that 1% will be will mean you will get cought. I survived 20 years with no capture by being sensible about where and when you put your mark up. when i did get caught, i made the mistake of offering a full and frank statement about it being me who did the damage. Now as I had a lot to lose if I had drawn it out I think they could have raided me and taken all my stuff. The key to bare in mind here is if your house is clean deny it, until they put you in front of a judge deny it. DO NOT ADMIT IT WAS YOU. If possible get an understanding girlfriend who can keep look out for you and also be prepared to run like your life depended on it, most police are not that fit and will soon tire if they chase you. Other than the girlfriend bit I agree with stickitup. Act real nice wile you lie youโre a**e off. Most of the artists I know who have got a record incriminated themselves, at least the first time. The smarter you are about how you do your thing the more time youโll spend free but at the end of the day itโs all down to luck. There are no guarantees. Also, they donโt have to go easy on you cos itโs your first offence. My first I got my place raided and ยฃ350 of paint seesed, a ยฃ600 fine, 120 hours community service, a 2 year ASBO and as a result of the police action I also lost my job and my flat. Lifeโs a b*tch some times. I would be worried about being arrested but if you wanted to do it on a shop or something ask the shop owner i reckon he/she will be more than happy to have a bit of art on their shop might even make the value rise a little if you know what i mean I had a commission sorted for a shop near Hackney Market. A mural to paint over some tags. The day I arrive with my paint the owner shows me a letter from Hackney council telling him to remove โallโ graffiti from his walls or heโll be fined for the cost of its removal. Apparently that also includes commissioned graffiti as it adds to fear of crime. What really takes the p*ss is that not a half mile down the road is banksyโs artist with a ball and chain piece the same council has been cleaning up and repairing! One rule for them, another for the rest of us. Shambles.
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