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'Street Art', by crazyarsemother on Mar 21, 2008 14:26:25 GMT 1, Killer - I see what you are saying. Your right of course upbringing does influence work. However, different artists have different experiences and not one is neccassarily more valid than the other.
I am not sure the issue of 'urban art' being watered down is a class issue. I think like many creative trends it starts with a resistance to the status quo that then becomes mainstream or common practise as it is taken up by society. This happens irrespective of class. I think its more a case of underground versus mainstream.
You are right that the scene is changing. I think your point about people creating work because of Banksy's success is also spot on and there is a definately a copy cat element or formula to a lot of new 'urban artist's' work. But the crap stuff is still crap and the good stuff still stands out - new or old. However, IMO, change within the scene is a healthy inevitability and should be embraced not resisted. Your feelings toward the way the scene is going is arguably the start of 'the restistance' that sparks a new creative direction. I view the possibilities of street art with relish. Personally I believe that not since the situationists of the 60s and 70s has the public relieased the benefits of, or been willing to accept art placed outside the gallery. If this is the case then its awesome and I think Banksy is at the root of it.
I work in an art collective called urban canvas (www.urbancanvas.co.uk). We have been commissioned by the council and redevelopment agencies to use run down shops, empty public buildings and the hoardings on redevelopments as opportunities for art. I'm not sure these opportunities would be there had the general public not started to adopt 'urban art', however, cliche that sounds.
Killer - I see what you are saying. Your right of course upbringing does influence work. However, different artists have different experiences and not one is neccassarily more valid than the other.
I am not sure the issue of 'urban art' being watered down is a class issue. I think like many creative trends it starts with a resistance to the status quo that then becomes mainstream or common practise as it is taken up by society. This happens irrespective of class. I think its more a case of underground versus mainstream.
You are right that the scene is changing. I think your point about people creating work because of Banksy's success is also spot on and there is a definately a copy cat element or formula to a lot of new 'urban artist's' work. But the crap stuff is still crap and the good stuff still stands out - new or old. However, IMO, change within the scene is a healthy inevitability and should be embraced not resisted. Your feelings toward the way the scene is going is arguably the start of 'the restistance' that sparks a new creative direction. I view the possibilities of street art with relish. Personally I believe that not since the situationists of the 60s and 70s has the public relieased the benefits of, or been willing to accept art placed outside the gallery. If this is the case then its awesome and I think Banksy is at the root of it.
I work in an art collective called urban canvas (www.urbancanvas.co.uk). We have been commissioned by the council and redevelopment agencies to use run down shops, empty public buildings and the hoardings on redevelopments as opportunities for art. I'm not sure these opportunities would be there had the general public not started to adopt 'urban art', however, cliche that sounds.
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'Street Art', by GVD on Mar 21, 2008 14:43:56 GMT 1, I am heavily influenced by banksy, my first large stencil was a girl with a paintbrush. But i dont think thats a problem. Through him, and a tutorial on how to make stencils, i got involved in street-art (i hate the word urban haha).
I just wanted to make some cool stencils for the streets and through this forum i discovered people actually wanted to buy stencils etc .
I think anyone that can be arsed to get out with some paint at night and risks getting arested to paint something on the wall is a street artist. Well maybe not taggers, but you know what i mean.
I Still dont consider myself a real artist, i just like to stencil and make some nice extra cash through it haha so i dont have to get a job like all my friend haha.
I am heavily influenced by banksy, my first large stencil was a girl with a paintbrush. But i dont think thats a problem. Through him, and a tutorial on how to make stencils, i got involved in street-art (i hate the word urban haha). I just wanted to make some cool stencils for the streets and through this forum i discovered people actually wanted to buy stencils etc . I think anyone that can be arsed to get out with some paint at night and risks getting arested to paint something on the wall is a street artist. Well maybe not taggers, but you know what i mean. I Still dont consider myself a real artist, i just like to stencil and make some nice extra cash through it haha so i dont have to get a job like all my friend haha.
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'Street Art', by wimpy on Mar 21, 2008 15:14:12 GMT 1, Explain how "tagging" isn't similar.
Even your idol Banksy talks about how people admire "the drainpipe used to access the spot" (or something like that) rather than the quality of brushstrokes in fine art.
I invite you to come and walk the lines some of the original graffiti "taggers" would hit during the course of 1 night to days. Perhaps you'd appreciate the art in it.
Explain how "tagging" isn't similar. Even your idol Banksy talks about how people admire "the drainpipe used to access the spot" (or something like that) rather than the quality of brushstrokes in fine art. I invite you to come and walk the lines some of the original graffiti "taggers" would hit during the course of 1 night to days. Perhaps you'd appreciate the art in it.
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'Street Art', by GVD on Mar 21, 2008 15:18:39 GMT 1, I admire those taggers defeniatly, but in my town we dont have those taggers. We only have annoying little pricks who go around destroying other peoples graffiti, ofcourse this stuff happens when you make street art. But i dont think they are artists.
I actually enjoy going to a city, seeing a tag on a huge building and wonder how the fuck they got up there. But i hate random taggers who dont get the point and just destroy things.
I didnt chose my words well when i said taggers werent artists. Some are, but some are just anoying 12 year olds..
I admire those taggers defeniatly, but in my town we dont have those taggers. We only have annoying little pricks who go around destroying other peoples graffiti, ofcourse this stuff happens when you make street art. But i dont think they are artists.
I actually enjoy going to a city, seeing a tag on a huge building and wonder how the fuck they got up there. But i hate random taggers who dont get the point and just destroy things.
I didnt chose my words well when i said taggers werent artists. Some are, but some are just anoying 12 year olds..
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'Street Art', by colonelkurtz on Mar 21, 2008 15:26:15 GMT 1, if people are sheep to you, it's because you can't relate to them. Doesn't mean they are.
The genre of "art being placed on a wall, not usually belonging to the artist, that could be construed as vandalism, in a cry against the mundane grey nature of inner city living" is just a victim of it's own sucess. Drawing a wider range of people into the scene.
As the scene grows, it will become split up between styles even more. So, i'm sure that the artist that you prefer, due to their background, will form their own clique within "urban art". Letting you continue to fight the establishment, system, police or whatever else you feel a compulsion to ridicule/feel better than. (bit harsh sorry kella).
The only real common demominator is the spray can and the message. Sadly the "lower" classes or disadvantaged currently have a poor reputation due to their hoodie like ways and gang culture(horrible generalisation i know), but it has ment artists with pedigrees (or actual degrees) have pushed themselves to the front.
Personnally, i used to hate the fact that the middle classes would buy art from what they would normally construe as a thug, with no reference or concern to the actual artist. What it did show was the strength of images produced, but i am personally seeing less and less intelligent social commentry from "street" art, more re-workings of chicks with guns, whilst having a pop at the americans. Those days are over, and we are waiting for the next world event for the poltical artist to create about. Hence, Obama - Obey. Banksy is currently having a pop at Tescos, which has been a long established theme against consumarisim. Nothing new.
So the artists who have a fresh style are coming through, because art that is fresh and different attracts buyers. For the right and the wrong reasons, but the nature of the world.
The anti-establishment will always be adopted into the mainstream, because of the originality and potential ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ from bringing a something great into a wider audience.
If you gonna blame anyone, blame Laz.
Interesting name BTW killakella, could you give me a trade mark beatbox robot beep!!
if people are sheep to you, it's because you can't relate to them. Doesn't mean they are.
The genre of "art being placed on a wall, not usually belonging to the artist, that could be construed as vandalism, in a cry against the mundane grey nature of inner city living" is just a victim of it's own sucess. Drawing a wider range of people into the scene.
As the scene grows, it will become split up between styles even more. So, i'm sure that the artist that you prefer, due to their background, will form their own clique within "urban art". Letting you continue to fight the establishment, system, police or whatever else you feel a compulsion to ridicule/feel better than. (bit harsh sorry kella).
The only real common demominator is the spray can and the message. Sadly the "lower" classes or disadvantaged currently have a poor reputation due to their hoodie like ways and gang culture(horrible generalisation i know), but it has ment artists with pedigrees (or actual degrees) have pushed themselves to the front.
Personnally, i used to hate the fact that the middle classes would buy art from what they would normally construe as a thug, with no reference or concern to the actual artist. What it did show was the strength of images produced, but i am personally seeing less and less intelligent social commentry from "street" art, more re-workings of chicks with guns, whilst having a pop at the americans. Those days are over, and we are waiting for the next world event for the poltical artist to create about. Hence, Obama - Obey. Banksy is currently having a pop at Tescos, which has been a long established theme against consumarisim. Nothing new.
So the artists who have a fresh style are coming through, because art that is fresh and different attracts buyers. For the right and the wrong reasons, but the nature of the world.
The anti-establishment will always be adopted into the mainstream, because of the originality and potential ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ from bringing a something great into a wider audience.
If you gonna blame anyone, blame Laz.
Interesting name BTW killakella, could you give me a trade mark beatbox robot beep!!
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'Street Art', by wimpy on Mar 21, 2008 15:27:37 GMT 1, Let me shoot this one at you... imagine one of these guys who "destroys" a Banksy looks at him for being a hypocrit for selling his artwork after smashing public advertising. Perhaps the line has become blurred and the "tagger" wants to make a point. A simple splashing says everything in that respect.
If you choose to paint in public space or on private property, you can't go and say that the next person can't do whatever they want to it, can you?
I've personally seen Faile and Swoon stuff that got splashed. They responded by going back to it and WORKING the splashes/tags into a revision of the piece. Love that.
Let me shoot this one at you... imagine one of these guys who "destroys" a Banksy looks at him for being a hypocrit for selling his artwork after smashing public advertising. Perhaps the line has become blurred and the "tagger" wants to make a point. A simple splashing says everything in that respect.
If you choose to paint in public space or on private property, you can't go and say that the next person can't do whatever they want to it, can you?
I've personally seen Faile and Swoon stuff that got splashed. They responded by going back to it and WORKING the splashes/tags into a revision of the piece. Love that.
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'Street Art', by GVD on Mar 21, 2008 15:43:44 GMT 1, You make a fair point, but im not saying they may not tag some walls or something . but i just find it really annoying and pointless what most of these people do, i dont think they are artists. But thats my view, i dont really consider myself an artist as well.
You make a fair point, but im not saying they may not tag some walls or something . but i just find it really annoying and pointless what most of these people do, i dont think they are artists. But thats my view, i dont really consider myself an artist as well.
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'Street Art', by jamesreeve5 on Mar 21, 2008 17:37:40 GMT 1, After reading and negatively posting on 2 threads about "artists" trying to sell there wears it was really refreshing to read this great thread (this is what the banksy forum is supposed to be about). I am going to digest it for a little and write a response later, but I just wanted it bumped back to the top so other people will look at it more until then.
After reading and negatively posting on 2 threads about "artists" trying to sell there wears it was really refreshing to read this great thread (this is what the banksy forum is supposed to be about). I am going to digest it for a little and write a response later, but I just wanted it bumped back to the top so other people will look at it more until then.
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 21, 2008 19:46:27 GMT 1, Killer - I see what you are saying. Your right of course upbringing does influence work. However, different artists have different experiences and not one is neccassarily more valid than the other. I am not sure the issue of 'urban art' being watered down is a class issue. I think like many creative trends it starts with a resistance to the status quo that then becomes mainstream or common practise as it is taken up by society. This happens irrespective of class. I think its more a case of underground versus mainstream. You are right that the scene is changing. I think your point about people creating work because of Banksy's success is also spot on and there is a definately a copy cat element or formula to a lot of new 'urban artist's' work. But the crap stuff is still crap and the good stuff still stands out - new or old. However, IMO, change within the scene is a healthy inevitability and should be embraced not resisted. Your feelings toward the way the scene is going is arguably the start of 'the restistance' that sparks a new creative direction. I view the possibilities of street art with relish. Personally I believe that not since the situationists of the 60s and 70s has the public relieased the benefits of, or been willing to accept art placed outside the gallery. If this is the case then its awesome and I think Banksy is at the root of it. I work in an art collective called urban canvas (www.urbancanvas.co.uk). We have been commissioned by the council and redevelopment agencies to use run down shops, empty public buildings and the hoardings on redevelopments as opportunities for art. I'm not sure these opportunities would be there had the general public not started to adopt 'urban art', however, cliche that sounds.
hi mate, i have to agree with what your saying and I like your positive spin on the future of this formidable scene.
Its in a real state of change at the moment its exciting to see how things will develop.
I suppose Banksy no longer belongs to the underground, but anyone who appreciates his work.
Killer - I see what you are saying. Your right of course upbringing does influence work. However, different artists have different experiences and not one is neccassarily more valid than the other. I am not sure the issue of 'urban art' being watered down is a class issue. I think like many creative trends it starts with a resistance to the status quo that then becomes mainstream or common practise as it is taken up by society. This happens irrespective of class. I think its more a case of underground versus mainstream. You are right that the scene is changing. I think your point about people creating work because of Banksy's success is also spot on and there is a definately a copy cat element or formula to a lot of new 'urban artist's' work. But the crap stuff is still crap and the good stuff still stands out - new or old. However, IMO, change within the scene is a healthy inevitability and should be embraced not resisted. Your feelings toward the way the scene is going is arguably the start of 'the restistance' that sparks a new creative direction. I view the possibilities of street art with relish. Personally I believe that not since the situationists of the 60s and 70s has the public relieased the benefits of, or been willing to accept art placed outside the gallery. If this is the case then its awesome and I think Banksy is at the root of it. I work in an art collective called urban canvas (www.urbancanvas.co.uk). We have been commissioned by the council and redevelopment agencies to use run down shops, empty public buildings and the hoardings on redevelopments as opportunities for art. I'm not sure these opportunities would be there had the general public not started to adopt 'urban art', however, cliche that sounds. hi mate, i have to agree with what your saying and I like your positive spin on the future of this formidable scene. Its in a real state of change at the moment its exciting to see how things will develop. I suppose Banksy no longer belongs to the underground, but anyone who appreciates his work.
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 21, 2008 19:53:02 GMT 1, if people are sheep to you, it's because you can't relate to them. Doesn't mean they are. The genre of "art being placed on a wall, not usually belonging to the artist, that could be construed as vandalism, in a cry against the mundane grey nature of inner city living" is just a victim of it's own sucess. Drawing a wider range of people into the scene. As the scene grows, it will become split up between styles even more. So, i'm sure that the artist that you prefer, due to their background, will form their own clique within "urban art". Letting you continue to fight the establishment, system, police or whatever else you feel a compulsion to ridicule/feel better than. (bit harsh sorry kella). The only real common demominator is the spray can and the message. Sadly the "lower" classes or disadvantaged currently have a poor reputation due to their hoodie like ways and gang culture(horrible generalisation i know), but it has ment artists with pedigrees (or actual degrees) have pushed themselves to the front. Personnally, i used to hate the fact that the middle classes would buy art from what they would normally construe as a thug, with no reference or concern to the actual artist. What it did show was the strength of images produced, but i am personally seeing less and less intelligent social commentry from "street" art, more re-workings of chicks with guns, whilst having a pop at the americans. Those days are over, and we are waiting for the next world event for the poltical artist to create about. Hence, Obama - Obey. Banksy is currently having a pop at Tescos, which has been a long established theme against consumarisim. Nothing new. So the artists who have a fresh style are coming through, because art that is fresh and different attracts buyers. For the right and the wrong reasons, but the nature of the world. The anti-establishment will always be adopted into the mainstream, because of the originality and potential ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ from bringing a something great into a wider audience. If you gonna blame anyone, blame Laz. Interesting name BTW killakella, could you give me a trade mark beatbox robot beep!!
Hi mate, thanks for the reply.
Agree with some of this but not the bit about the lower classes (and boy do you generalise, theyre not all hoodies with guns) being pushed aside.
They get pushed aside because whats really happening on the streets cannot be stomached by mainstream Britain and as Banksy illustrates in his "Sweeping Under the Carpet' stencil, thats exactly what we do. . Instead we get a mainstream hybrid of what street art is and ultimatley the kids that started the scene are swept aside.
if people are sheep to you, it's because you can't relate to them. Doesn't mean they are. The genre of "art being placed on a wall, not usually belonging to the artist, that could be construed as vandalism, in a cry against the mundane grey nature of inner city living" is just a victim of it's own sucess. Drawing a wider range of people into the scene. As the scene grows, it will become split up between styles even more. So, i'm sure that the artist that you prefer, due to their background, will form their own clique within "urban art". Letting you continue to fight the establishment, system, police or whatever else you feel a compulsion to ridicule/feel better than. (bit harsh sorry kella). The only real common demominator is the spray can and the message. Sadly the "lower" classes or disadvantaged currently have a poor reputation due to their hoodie like ways and gang culture(horrible generalisation i know), but it has ment artists with pedigrees (or actual degrees) have pushed themselves to the front. Personnally, i used to hate the fact that the middle classes would buy art from what they would normally construe as a thug, with no reference or concern to the actual artist. What it did show was the strength of images produced, but i am personally seeing less and less intelligent social commentry from "street" art, more re-workings of chicks with guns, whilst having a pop at the americans. Those days are over, and we are waiting for the next world event for the poltical artist to create about. Hence, Obama - Obey. Banksy is currently having a pop at Tescos, which has been a long established theme against consumarisim. Nothing new. So the artists who have a fresh style are coming through, because art that is fresh and different attracts buyers. For the right and the wrong reasons, but the nature of the world. The anti-establishment will always be adopted into the mainstream, because of the originality and potential ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ from bringing a something great into a wider audience. If you gonna blame anyone, blame Laz. Interesting name BTW killakella, could you give me a trade mark beatbox robot beep!! Hi mate, thanks for the reply. Agree with some of this but not the bit about the lower classes (and boy do you generalise, theyre not all hoodies with guns) being pushed aside. They get pushed aside because whats really happening on the streets cannot be stomached by mainstream Britain and as Banksy illustrates in his "Sweeping Under the Carpet' stencil, thats exactly what we do. . Instead we get a mainstream hybrid of what street art is and ultimatley the kids that started the scene are swept aside.
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'Street Art', by guest2 on Mar 21, 2008 20:00:34 GMT 1, I bet your really middle class and cake-o!
I bet your really middle class and cake-o!
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'Street Art', by otomi on Mar 21, 2008 21:38:26 GMT 1, Who said street art is revolutionary or underground or any of that. Street art is done by artists/people that can't show their work in galleries but want to share it with other people. Where does the idea come from that street art can only be done by the oppressed - it is art everyone can do it. Graffiti itself is usually completely unpolitical and doesn't touch any topics. Just a name or a word on the wall/train.
Just another case of "I liked street art before everyone liked it - so I'm still way cooler."
Who said street art is revolutionary or underground or any of that. Street art is done by artists/people that can't show their work in galleries but want to share it with other people. Where does the idea come from that street art can only be done by the oppressed - it is art everyone can do it. Graffiti itself is usually completely unpolitical and doesn't touch any topics. Just a name or a word on the wall/train.
Just another case of "I liked street art before everyone liked it - so I'm still way cooler."
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'Street Art', by jamesreeve5 on Mar 21, 2008 21:57:37 GMT 1, While I can't speak for England, the majority of street or urban artists in America that are mentioned on these boards generally tend to fall in the middle-class/white category right? I mean in the 80's there was Taki 183, Dondi, and the like who were actually poor urban blacks. But 90's and on Shep, McGee, Faile, Swoon, Kinsey, Templeton, Ron English, Hecox all come from white, middleclass, suburbia. There is also a definite link to skateboard culture that American street art has that British street art tends to not have.
I think that Britain has a more pure street art movement. But just thumbing through any given issue of Juxtapoz, you can't really define what America considers "street art" because it interacts with outsider art, lowbrow art, pop surrealism, and even fine art. And I think it is the interaction between high class, low class and middle class and between the different art genres that defines American art as more urban and less street.
One of my favorite images that illustrates this complex relationship is titled "Dash Bombing" (2000) by Ryan McGinley. It is basically a picture of Dash Snow (from the uber-rich Snow family, but chose to live on the streets since the age of 13) tagging the side of a building. The tag is not the art itself, but rather a photo documentation of the event as seen through the eyes of a middle class photographer. It is like there are things happening on three different levels in this one photograph.
While I can't speak for England, the majority of street or urban artists in America that are mentioned on these boards generally tend to fall in the middle-class/white category right? I mean in the 80's there was Taki 183, Dondi, and the like who were actually poor urban blacks. But 90's and on Shep, McGee, Faile, Swoon, Kinsey, Templeton, Ron English, Hecox all come from white, middleclass, suburbia. There is also a definite link to skateboard culture that American street art has that British street art tends to not have. I think that Britain has a more pure street art movement. But just thumbing through any given issue of Juxtapoz, you can't really define what America considers "street art" because it interacts with outsider art, lowbrow art, pop surrealism, and even fine art. And I think it is the interaction between high class, low class and middle class and between the different art genres that defines American art as more urban and less street. One of my favorite images that illustrates this complex relationship is titled "Dash Bombing" (2000) by Ryan McGinley. It is basically a picture of Dash Snow (from the uber-rich Snow family, but chose to live on the streets since the age of 13) tagging the side of a building. The tag is not the art itself, but rather a photo documentation of the event as seen through the eyes of a middle class photographer. It is like there are things happening on three different levels in this one photograph.
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'Street Art', by guest2 on Mar 21, 2008 22:11:00 GMT 1, Who said street art is revolutionary or underground or any of that. Street art is done by artists/people that can't show their work in galleries but want to share it with other people. Where does the idea come from that street art can only be done by the oppressed - it is art everyone can do it. Graffiti itself is usually completely unpolitical and doesn't touch any topics. Just a name or a word on the wall/train. Just another case of "I liked street art before everyone liked it - so I'm still way cooler."
Very good post. I personally couldn't care less if you were born without a pot to piss in or with a silver spoon in your mouth. I work close with a few artists and I really have no idea if they come from wealthy backgrounds or not. They are all intelligent and articulate so maybe they do, maybe they don't. I've never thought to ask. It makes no difference to me whatsoever.
Who said street art is revolutionary or underground or any of that. Street art is done by artists/people that can't show their work in galleries but want to share it with other people. Where does the idea come from that street art can only be done by the oppressed - it is art everyone can do it. Graffiti itself is usually completely unpolitical and doesn't touch any topics. Just a name or a word on the wall/train. Just another case of "I liked street art before everyone liked it - so I'm still way cooler." Very good post. I personally couldn't care less if you were born without a pot to piss in or with a silver spoon in your mouth. I work close with a few artists and I really have no idea if they come from wealthy backgrounds or not. They are all intelligent and articulate so maybe they do, maybe they don't. I've never thought to ask. It makes no difference to me whatsoever.
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'Street Art', by otomi on Mar 21, 2008 23:00:03 GMT 1, While I can't speak for England, the majority of street or urban artists in America that are mentioned on these boards generally tend to fall in the middle-class/white category right? I mean in the 80's there was Taki 183, Dondi, and the like who were actually poor urban blacks. But 90's and on Shep, McGee, Faile, Swoon, Kinsey, Templeton, Ron English, Hecox all come from white, middleclass, suburbia. There is also a definite link to skateboard culture that American street art has that British street art tends to not have. I think that Britain has a more pure street art movement. But just thumbing through any given issue of Juxtapoz, you can't really define what America considers "street art" because it interacts with outsider art, lowbrow art, pop surrealism, and even fine art. And I think it is the interaction between high class, low class and middle class and between the different art genres that defines American art as more urban and less street. One of my favorite images that illustrates this complex relationship is titled "Dash Bombing" (2000) by Ryan McGinley. It is basically a picture of Dash Snow (from the uber-rich Snow family, but chose to live on the streets since the age of 13) tagging the side of a building. The tag is not the art itself, but rather a photo documentation of the event as seen through the eyes of a middle class photographer. It is like there are things happening on three different levels in this one photograph.
British street art is more pure. wtf How do you come up with that. I'm neither British nor American so I think I'm unbiased. That is ridiculous. After your definition Banksy is an urban artist because he interacts heavily with other art styles. Spraying on the steps of the Tate, improving paintings etc.
I think what most street artist try to do is to overcome borders and connect people. (Bethlehem just for one) We should not start that pity - our street art is better then yours.
While I can't speak for England, the majority of street or urban artists in America that are mentioned on these boards generally tend to fall in the middle-class/white category right? I mean in the 80's there was Taki 183, Dondi, and the like who were actually poor urban blacks. But 90's and on Shep, McGee, Faile, Swoon, Kinsey, Templeton, Ron English, Hecox all come from white, middleclass, suburbia. There is also a definite link to skateboard culture that American street art has that British street art tends to not have. I think that Britain has a more pure street art movement. But just thumbing through any given issue of Juxtapoz, you can't really define what America considers "street art" because it interacts with outsider art, lowbrow art, pop surrealism, and even fine art. And I think it is the interaction between high class, low class and middle class and between the different art genres that defines American art as more urban and less street. One of my favorite images that illustrates this complex relationship is titled "Dash Bombing" (2000) by Ryan McGinley. It is basically a picture of Dash Snow (from the uber-rich Snow family, but chose to live on the streets since the age of 13) tagging the side of a building. The tag is not the art itself, but rather a photo documentation of the event as seen through the eyes of a middle class photographer. It is like there are things happening on three different levels in this one photograph. British street art is more pure. wtf How do you come up with that. I'm neither British nor American so I think I'm unbiased. That is ridiculous. After your definition Banksy is an urban artist because he interacts heavily with other art styles. Spraying on the steps of the Tate, improving paintings etc. I think what most street artist try to do is to overcome borders and connect people. (Bethlehem just for one) We should not start that pity - our street art is better then yours.
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'Street Art', by jamesreeve5 on Mar 21, 2008 23:51:00 GMT 1, British street art is more pure. wtf How do you come up with that. I'm neither British nor American so I think I'm unbiased. That is ridiculous. After your definition Banksy is an urban artist because he interacts heavily with other art styles. Spraying on the steps of the Tate, improving paintings etc. I think what most street artist try to do is to overcome borders and connect people. (Bethlehem just for one) We should not start that pity - our street art is better then yours.
Where are you from otomi?
I think you are missing something about my point. The British street art scene is more "pure" because it is less integrated into the typical fine art scene in the UK, it stands alone as a separate movement. This is not to say that it is less important, but it is recognized more as a defined movement (and historically speaking, defined movements tend to be better remembered in the school books).
Gallery wise there are 5 or so respectable galleries that primarily sell well known street artists. There are probably only 2 or 3 well known galleries in the entire US that primarily sell street art. But in the US there are loads of galleries that maybe represent 1 or 2 street artists in addition to a stable of non-street artists as well.
And Banksy is a street artist by all means. I'm sorry, but "interact" was a bad choice of words. Banksy's style is a very rigid, set style so that his things are very recognizable on the street, and the message of his work usually is the same (I will probably get blasted for this statement, and I welcome examples that disagree with it). I am not against tis at all, in fact it is what makes Banksy the artist he is.
In America however some artists should still be considered urban art: Ryan McGinley, Dash Snow, Dan Colen. They deal with urban life in their art, tag buildings in their free time, but don't make their primary form of art the tags on the wall.
Then there are the skateboarders like Hecox, Kinsey and Temleton who are considered urban art mainly because of their associations with the skateboard community (Anyone ever see the amazing Kinsey paintings in Rob & Big?). I am a huge fan of all 3 artists, but I don't think Hecox would be popular on this forum if he wasn't associated with the right people, and gained street credit by being a designer for Chocolate skateboards.
Then there is the whole pop surrealism movement which plays a big role in American urban art galleries... Both Merry Kranowsky and J Levine have pop surrealism in addition to street and urban artists. Ron English and Jeff Soto are by no means street artists, but they are still sold in galleries that also sell street art.
Basically, what I was trying to say about British Street art being "pure" is that it has become a more well defined scene than the American side (which seems to be more of a mashup of several movements all converging at random points).
British street art is more pure. wtf How do you come up with that. I'm neither British nor American so I think I'm unbiased. That is ridiculous. After your definition Banksy is an urban artist because he interacts heavily with other art styles. Spraying on the steps of the Tate, improving paintings etc. I think what most street artist try to do is to overcome borders and connect people. (Bethlehem just for one) We should not start that pity - our street art is better then yours. Where are you from otomi? I think you are missing something about my point. The British street art scene is more "pure" because it is less integrated into the typical fine art scene in the UK, it stands alone as a separate movement. This is not to say that it is less important, but it is recognized more as a defined movement (and historically speaking, defined movements tend to be better remembered in the school books). Gallery wise there are 5 or so respectable galleries that primarily sell well known street artists. There are probably only 2 or 3 well known galleries in the entire US that primarily sell street art. But in the US there are loads of galleries that maybe represent 1 or 2 street artists in addition to a stable of non-street artists as well. And Banksy is a street artist by all means. I'm sorry, but "interact" was a bad choice of words. Banksy's style is a very rigid, set style so that his things are very recognizable on the street, and the message of his work usually is the same (I will probably get blasted for this statement, and I welcome examples that disagree with it). I am not against tis at all, in fact it is what makes Banksy the artist he is. In America however some artists should still be considered urban art: Ryan McGinley, Dash Snow, Dan Colen. They deal with urban life in their art, tag buildings in their free time, but don't make their primary form of art the tags on the wall. Then there are the skateboarders like Hecox, Kinsey and Temleton who are considered urban art mainly because of their associations with the skateboard community (Anyone ever see the amazing Kinsey paintings in Rob & Big?). I am a huge fan of all 3 artists, but I don't think Hecox would be popular on this forum if he wasn't associated with the right people, and gained street credit by being a designer for Chocolate skateboards. Then there is the whole pop surrealism movement which plays a big role in American urban art galleries... Both Merry Kranowsky and J Levine have pop surrealism in addition to street and urban artists. Ron English and Jeff Soto are by no means street artists, but they are still sold in galleries that also sell street art. Basically, what I was trying to say about British Street art being "pure" is that it has become a more well defined scene than the American side (which seems to be more of a mashup of several movements all converging at random points).
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'Street Art', by otomi on Mar 22, 2008 1:49:30 GMT 1, Sorry maybe I was a bit harsh. I just don't like the word pure to describe a group of people. I'm German that might explain it. I'm now in the US but have also been in London a few times. If it comes to sell out try the street artist from Berlin. Even thou there are probably hundreds of street artists it is really hard to buy something of them and they have barely shows. I guess it is all a question of definition. I never considered most of the artist you named even urban art. Street artist are people that do mostly stuff on the street and do other things than strictly graffiti like stencils, paste ups ... like Swoon, Banksy, Bast, Faile, Eine at least they started like that. I'm sorry if my reply was too rude.
Sorry maybe I was a bit harsh. I just don't like the word pure to describe a group of people. I'm German that might explain it. I'm now in the US but have also been in London a few times. If it comes to sell out try the street artist from Berlin. Even thou there are probably hundreds of street artists it is really hard to buy something of them and they have barely shows. I guess it is all a question of definition. I never considered most of the artist you named even urban art. Street artist are people that do mostly stuff on the street and do other things than strictly graffiti like stencils, paste ups ... like Swoon, Banksy, Bast, Faile, Eine at least they started like that. I'm sorry if my reply was too rude.
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'Street Art', by teatwosugars on Mar 22, 2008 2:51:00 GMT 1, And Banksy is a street artist by all means. I'm sorry, but "interact" was a bad choice of words. Banksy's style is a very rigid, set style so that his things are very recognizable on the street, and the message of his work usually is the same (I will probably get blasted for this statement, and I welcome examples that disagree with it). I am not against tis at all, in fact it is what makes Banksy the artist he is.
Allow me!
One message you say? Does that message incorporate issues about war, consumerism and corporations, class struggles, environmental problems, cruelty to animals, world poverty, police and authority, modern culture and iconography, graffiti and free expression, or the snobbery and elitism of the art 'establishment' all rolled in to one?
Far from one message imo.
And Banksy is a street artist by all means. I'm sorry, but "interact" was a bad choice of words. Banksy's style is a very rigid, set style so that his things are very recognizable on the street, and the message of his work usually is the same (I will probably get blasted for this statement, and I welcome examples that disagree with it). I am not against tis at all, in fact it is what makes Banksy the artist he is. Allow me! One message you say? Does that message incorporate issues about war, consumerism and corporations, class struggles, environmental problems, cruelty to animals, world poverty, police and authority, modern culture and iconography, graffiti and free expression, or the snobbery and elitism of the art 'establishment' all rolled in to one? Far from one message imo.
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'Street Art', by jamesreeve5 on Mar 22, 2008 3:07:53 GMT 1, Thanks for that list tea for two I agree that he touches on all of the issues you listed except I would take out iconography and put in religion, and corporate branding instead. But instead of getting nitpicky the point I am trying to make is below...
I think all of those could fit under the category of: "Problems with the Current Establishment" right? And he goes about commenting on them with his own ironic, sarcastic, sneering kind of attitude. I always get this devilish little smile inside of me when I view a Banksy because of the subversive element of the work. And that is what is great about Banksy!
Thanks for that list tea for two I agree that he touches on all of the issues you listed except I would take out iconography and put in religion, and corporate branding instead. But instead of getting nitpicky the point I am trying to make is below...
I think all of those could fit under the category of: "Problems with the Current Establishment" right? And he goes about commenting on them with his own ironic, sarcastic, sneering kind of attitude. I always get this devilish little smile inside of me when I view a Banksy because of the subversive element of the work. And that is what is great about Banksy!
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 22, 2008 4:06:53 GMT 1, Who said street art is revolutionary or underground or any of that. Street art is done by artists/people that can't show their work in galleries but want to share it with other people. Where does the idea come from that street art can only be done by the oppressed - it is art everyone can do it. Graffiti itself is usually completely unpolitical and doesn't touch any topics. Just a name or a word on the wall/train. Just another case of "I liked street art before everyone liked it - so I'm still way cooler."
your missing the point mate, this isnt about im better than you, this is a discussion about the origins and future of street art.
and yes, street is revo and underground...or it was....
Who said street art is revolutionary or underground or any of that. Street art is done by artists/people that can't show their work in galleries but want to share it with other people. Where does the idea come from that street art can only be done by the oppressed - it is art everyone can do it. Graffiti itself is usually completely unpolitical and doesn't touch any topics. Just a name or a word on the wall/train. Just another case of "I liked street art before everyone liked it - so I'm still way cooler." your missing the point mate, this isnt about im better than you, this is a discussion about the origins and future of street art. and yes, street is revo and underground...or it was....
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'Street Art', by jamesreeve5 on Mar 22, 2008 5:12:42 GMT 1, Sorry maybe I was a bit harsh. I just don't like the word pure to describe a group of people. I'm German that might explain it. I'm now in the US but have also been in London a few times. If it comes to sell out try the street artist from Berlin. Even thou there are probably hundreds of street artists it is really hard to buy something of them and they have barely shows. I guess it is all a question of definition. I never considered most of the artist you named even urban art. Street artist are people that do mostly stuff on the street and do other things than strictly graffiti like stencils, paste ups ... like Swoon, Banksy, Bast, Faile, Eine at least they started like that. I'm sorry if my reply was too rude.
Otomi, I am going to have to believe that you are right about German street artists not selling out since I can't think of a single one off the top of my head. You need to take some pictures of the graff around where you live, I would love to see it.
I love seeing pictures of works on the street by unknown artists. I wouldn't complain if someone was posting their pictures of their latest tags, but I am not a fan of the "Bedroom Banksies" who immediately throw something on a canvas or a print run of 100 and then post the pictures on here (and possibly try and sell it to us). The only problem is every time I voice this opinion I am called a cunt, asshole, p*ick etc etc etc...
The way I see it, I would love to see more stuff on the streets by young artists and more stuff in the galleries by the established artists: a generally progressive movement.
Sorry maybe I was a bit harsh. I just don't like the word pure to describe a group of people. I'm German that might explain it. I'm now in the US but have also been in London a few times. If it comes to sell out try the street artist from Berlin. Even thou there are probably hundreds of street artists it is really hard to buy something of them and they have barely shows. I guess it is all a question of definition. I never considered most of the artist you named even urban art. Street artist are people that do mostly stuff on the street and do other things than strictly graffiti like stencils, paste ups ... like Swoon, Banksy, Bast, Faile, Eine at least they started like that. I'm sorry if my reply was too rude. Otomi, I am going to have to believe that you are right about German street artists not selling out since I can't think of a single one off the top of my head. You need to take some pictures of the graff around where you live, I would love to see it. I love seeing pictures of works on the street by unknown artists. I wouldn't complain if someone was posting their pictures of their latest tags, but I am not a fan of the "Bedroom Banksies" who immediately throw something on a canvas or a print run of 100 and then post the pictures on here (and possibly try and sell it to us). The only problem is every time I voice this opinion I am called a cunt, asshole, p*ick etc etc etc... The way I see it, I would love to see more stuff on the streets by young artists and more stuff in the galleries by the established artists: a generally progressive movement.
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'Street Art', by tadosempe on Mar 22, 2008 5:13:37 GMT 1, It would be a bit discriminatory in a way to say that only artists from the working class should deserve more recognition because of their background. It'd be kind of like "o you're not from this clique, so your work isn't as good". At the same time killah, I do get your point. However, not experiencing the harshness of lower classes doesn't mean that one can't have empathy. I think the genuine love for street art matters more.
On the other hand, it's only natural that kids from a more privileged background are very susceptible to be interested by art, street art included (since their parents can actually afford it). The stereotype that art is for more financially eased people doesn't come from nowhere. Some of these artists were exposed to it early on because it was simply part of their environment. I don't think it would be fair to question their credibility because of that. But to stay on the topic of street art, what I love about it is that it really is for everyone no matter what class you come from. It shows that art isnt just for rich people. It's kind of like the counter culture of fine arts. (I'm pretty all of us have once looked at some weird ass shaped sculpture in some posh gallery and asked ourselves "what the f**k is that?") It fights back against that stereotype.
It would be a bit discriminatory in a way to say that only artists from the working class should deserve more recognition because of their background. It'd be kind of like "o you're not from this clique, so your work isn't as good". At the same time killah, I do get your point. However, not experiencing the harshness of lower classes doesn't mean that one can't have empathy. I think the genuine love for street art matters more.
On the other hand, it's only natural that kids from a more privileged background are very susceptible to be interested by art, street art included (since their parents can actually afford it). The stereotype that art is for more financially eased people doesn't come from nowhere. Some of these artists were exposed to it early on because it was simply part of their environment. I don't think it would be fair to question their credibility because of that. But to stay on the topic of street art, what I love about it is that it really is for everyone no matter what class you come from. It shows that art isnt just for rich people. It's kind of like the counter culture of fine arts. (I'm pretty all of us have once looked at some weird ass shaped sculpture in some posh gallery and asked ourselves "what the f**k is that?") It fights back against that stereotype.
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'Street Art', by onemandown72 on Mar 22, 2008 9:40:29 GMT 1, This is by far and away the most interesting thread that has come up on the forum in months, and I feel a true reflection as to what any form of art should be about. Both how it affects each individual and also it's ability to question. With regards the label Urban / street art this for me I see this as: 1. It was coined by Bonhams to categorise a style of art and therefore package and sell on (impressionism, modernism etc). This a classical marketing tool, and whilst highly distasteful to purists is a measure of success and does reflect well on this type of art. 2. Most people feel safe with a label attached to something as it meets the need of being accepted and part of a scene / crowd 3. The labels themselves are irrelavant, what is important is the work itself. When I am out in East London and see a new piece of work that makes me stop, look and think it is this that I take away with me, not the fact that I have seen something integral to the streetart movement.
As to the influence behind the work It is great that the reasons and motives behind all of this are discussed, as this would have been impossible on such a global scale in the 1980's when the US saw the explosion in grafitti, block parties and Hip Hop. Whilst you can guess at some reasons behind tagging they stretch as far as marking out territory to making a definate political point. This no different from what goes on today - it isn't always the political that influences, quite often the individual need for recognition in stating I live here, and look at my work. All I would say is that people shouldn't get hung up on labels / names, any work that is done specifically with this in mind will never have the same passion as something done as a reaction / comment.
This is by far and away the most interesting thread that has come up on the forum in months, and I feel a true reflection as to what any form of art should be about. Both how it affects each individual and also it's ability to question. With regards the label Urban / street art this for me I see this as: 1. It was coined by Bonhams to categorise a style of art and therefore package and sell on (impressionism, modernism etc). This a classical marketing tool, and whilst highly distasteful to purists is a measure of success and does reflect well on this type of art. 2. Most people feel safe with a label attached to something as it meets the need of being accepted and part of a scene / crowd 3. The labels themselves are irrelavant, what is important is the work itself. When I am out in East London and see a new piece of work that makes me stop, look and think it is this that I take away with me, not the fact that I have seen something integral to the streetart movement.
As to the influence behind the work It is great that the reasons and motives behind all of this are discussed, as this would have been impossible on such a global scale in the 1980's when the US saw the explosion in grafitti, block parties and Hip Hop. Whilst you can guess at some reasons behind tagging they stretch as far as marking out territory to making a definate political point. This no different from what goes on today - it isn't always the political that influences, quite often the individual need for recognition in stating I live here, and look at my work. All I would say is that people shouldn't get hung up on labels / names, any work that is done specifically with this in mind will never have the same passion as something done as a reaction / comment.
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'Street Art', by jamesreeve5 on Mar 22, 2008 9:46:44 GMT 1, This is by far and away the most interesting thread that has come up on the forum in months, and I feel a true reflection as to what any form of art should be about. Both how it affects each individual and also it's ability to question. With regards the label Urban / street art this for me I see this as: 1. It was coined by Bonhams to categorise a style of art and therefore package and sell on (impressionism, modernism etc). This a classical marketing tool, and whilst highly distasteful to purists is a measure of success and does reflect well on this type of art. 2. Most people feel safe with a label attached to something as it meets the need of being accepted and part of a scene / crowd 3. The labels themselves are irrelavant, what is important is the work itself. When I am out in East London and see a new piece of work that makes me stop, look and think it is this that I take away with me, not the fact that I have seen something integral to the streetart movement. As to the influence behind the work It is great that the reasons and motives behind all of this are discussed, as this would have been impossible on such a global scale in the 1980's when the US saw the explosion in grafitti, block parties and Hip Hop. Whilst you can guess at some reasons behind tagging they stretch as far as marking out territory to making a definate political point. This no different from what goes on today - it isn't always the political that influences, quite often the individual need for recognition in stating I live here, and look at my work. All I would say is that people shouldn't get hung up on labels / names, any work that is done specifically with this in mind will never have the same passion as something done as a reaction / comment.
Good point(s)
This is by far and away the most interesting thread that has come up on the forum in months, and I feel a true reflection as to what any form of art should be about. Both how it affects each individual and also it's ability to question. With regards the label Urban / street art this for me I see this as: 1. It was coined by Bonhams to categorise a style of art and therefore package and sell on (impressionism, modernism etc). This a classical marketing tool, and whilst highly distasteful to purists is a measure of success and does reflect well on this type of art. 2. Most people feel safe with a label attached to something as it meets the need of being accepted and part of a scene / crowd 3. The labels themselves are irrelavant, what is important is the work itself. When I am out in East London and see a new piece of work that makes me stop, look and think it is this that I take away with me, not the fact that I have seen something integral to the streetart movement. As to the influence behind the work It is great that the reasons and motives behind all of this are discussed, as this would have been impossible on such a global scale in the 1980's when the US saw the explosion in grafitti, block parties and Hip Hop. Whilst you can guess at some reasons behind tagging they stretch as far as marking out territory to making a definate political point. This no different from what goes on today - it isn't always the political that influences, quite often the individual need for recognition in stating I live here, and look at my work. All I would say is that people shouldn't get hung up on labels / names, any work that is done specifically with this in mind will never have the same passion as something done as a reaction / comment. Good point(s)
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'Street Art', by slowmo on Mar 22, 2008 10:01:17 GMT 1, Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing. ronnie wood middle class? do me a favour....he's a canal boat gypsy boy!
Yeah but ronnie wood had fuxk all to do with the stones till the seventies.
Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing. ronnie wood middle class? do me a favour....he's a canal boat gypsy boy! Yeah but ronnie wood had fuxk all to do with the stones till the seventies.
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'Street Art', by kingdomcome on Mar 22, 2008 10:12:02 GMT 1, and the stones ripped off black american r n b,
and the stones ripped off black american r n b,
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'Street Art', by Guest on Mar 24, 2008 6:00:42 GMT 1, Then there is the whole pop surrealism movement which plays a big role in American urban art galleries... Both Merry Kranowsky and J Levine have pop surrealism in addition to street and urban artists. Ron English and Jeff Soto are by no means street artists, but they are still sold in galleries that also sell street art. ...ummm, for the record, Ron English is one of the most prolific and heavily placed street artist's on the globe. He has put up more of his own full billboards than anyone else walking the planet, period. You're right though, he defiinitely walks many paths with his career. He fits into a number of areas of the art world very well. I guess when you've been around so long as an artist in NY that tends to happen... I mean how many people are out bombing bilboards in the morning, and being inducted into the artexpo hall of fame in the same day. It's really weird.
Then there is the whole pop surrealism movement which plays a big role in American urban art galleries... Both Merry Kranowsky and J Levine have pop surrealism in addition to street and urban artists. Ron English and Jeff Soto are by no means street artists, but they are still sold in galleries that also sell street art. ...ummm, for the record, Ron English is one of the most prolific and heavily placed street artist's on the globe. He has put up more of his own full billboards than anyone else walking the planet, period. You're right though, he defiinitely walks many paths with his career. He fits into a number of areas of the art world very well. I guess when you've been around so long as an artist in NY that tends to happen... I mean how many people are out bombing bilboards in the morning, and being inducted into the artexpo hall of fame in the same day. It's really weird.
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'Street Art', by otomi on Mar 24, 2008 20:01:59 GMT 1, Was away for the weekend but would like to pick this thread up again because it is interesting - at least to me.
I have thousands of pictures of street artists in Berlin but it would take to long to post them all right now. There is a great book that I just got about Berlin street art.
Interview by many artists also international ones like D-Face, Swoon ...
The name is unfortunately "Urban Illustration Berlin" it is not even urban art anymore. But the book is really good. 500 images!
www.gingkopress.com/_cata/_popk/urbnilustrn.htm
About working class artist getting more recognition - I grew up in East Germany. Children from working class families were allowed to study but if both parents studied something the kids couldn't study. Good idea to have working class kids study but the way they did it was stupid. Not really related to anything - it just came to my mind when I read an earlier post.
Was away for the weekend but would like to pick this thread up again because it is interesting - at least to me. I have thousands of pictures of street artists in Berlin but it would take to long to post them all right now. There is a great book that I just got about Berlin street art. Interview by many artists also international ones like D-Face, Swoon ... The name is unfortunately "Urban Illustration Berlin" it is not even urban art anymore. But the book is really good. 500 images! www.gingkopress.com/_cata/_popk/urbnilustrn.htmAbout working class artist getting more recognition - I grew up in East Germany. Children from working class families were allowed to study but if both parents studied something the kids couldn't study. Good idea to have working class kids study but the way they did it was stupid. Not really related to anything - it just came to my mind when I read an earlier post.
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'Street Art', by kingdomcome on Mar 24, 2008 21:53:34 GMT 1, there should be more feedback on this thread, better than the usual bollocks on this forum!
there should be more feedback on this thread, better than the usual bollocks on this forum!
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'Street Art', by irony on Mar 25, 2008 12:52:54 GMT 1, Graffiti began because the youth of a generation was unhappy with following the rules and traditions of a post world war society. They saw no place for themselves in that world so they created there own culture with there own sets of rules. Granted this may have begun in the ghetto but even in the early days there were all classes of people involved so you canโt say it was driven by class struggle necessarily. There were hangers on back then too all getting cheap fame off the backs of others but at the end of the day people always see through that $**t so Iโm not worried about what direction the scene might be taking.
As for Writing V Street art Iโve seen this argument from both sides. Writers culture isnโt as assessable to the passer by as say a nice picture of the Mona Lisa with a bazooka but it has so much to offer those who take the time to learn more about it. On the other hand to a graffiti writer the idea of doing most of the hard work in your warm studio and popping out for a quick spray on the streets now and then is just plain missing the point.
I guess the battle rages on.
Graffiti began because the youth of a generation was unhappy with following the rules and traditions of a post world war society. They saw no place for themselves in that world so they created there own culture with there own sets of rules. Granted this may have begun in the ghetto but even in the early days there were all classes of people involved so you canโt say it was driven by class struggle necessarily. There were hangers on back then too all getting cheap fame off the backs of others but at the end of the day people always see through that $**t so Iโm not worried about what direction the scene might be taking.
As for Writing V Street art Iโve seen this argument from both sides. Writers culture isnโt as assessable to the passer by as say a nice picture of the Mona Lisa with a bazooka but it has so much to offer those who take the time to learn more about it. On the other hand to a graffiti writer the idea of doing most of the hard work in your warm studio and popping out for a quick spray on the streets now and then is just plain missing the point.
I guess the battle rages on.
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