killerkellah
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 20, 2008 22:29:39 GMT 1, interested to know peoples views on my thoughts...
Theres alot of people doing the same sort of work these days all in a similar vein.
I personally think that graffiti has in someway been 'gentrified' and in the process become a bit dull.
Rich kids banging on about the establishment and how they hate cops and authority etc etc - its all a bit fake. People jumping on a bandwagon.
What do these people really know about struggle? (me included)
''Daddy, I want to be an artist' syndrome. You get the picture.
Its called Urban Art now! I personally find the word 'urban' offensive.
I believe true street art comes from oppression / tough backgrounds / a fire / a need to shout out - and thats when the messages really strike a chord.
Music i think also works best this way too. Look at the music scene it is flooded with Brit School grads and X Factor winners. Where are all the 'it was music or the dole' bands.
Im not saying some of these people arent talented but their all sheep to me.
Id be keen to know peoples thoughts...thanks for reading.
interested to know peoples views on my thoughts...
Theres alot of people doing the same sort of work these days all in a similar vein.
I personally think that graffiti has in someway been 'gentrified' and in the process become a bit dull.
Rich kids banging on about the establishment and how they hate cops and authority etc etc - its all a bit fake. People jumping on a bandwagon.
What do these people really know about struggle? (me included)
''Daddy, I want to be an artist' syndrome. You get the picture.
Its called Urban Art now! I personally find the word 'urban' offensive.
I believe true street art comes from oppression / tough backgrounds / a fire / a need to shout out - and thats when the messages really strike a chord.
Music i think also works best this way too. Look at the music scene it is flooded with Brit School grads and X Factor winners. Where are all the 'it was music or the dole' bands.
Im not saying some of these people arent talented but their all sheep to me.
Id be keen to know peoples thoughts...thanks for reading.
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'Street Art', by PRO on Mar 20, 2008 22:33:35 GMT 1, I agree with every thing you just said...just sheep
I agree with every thing you just said...just sheep
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'Street Art', by manchestermike on Mar 20, 2008 22:35:26 GMT 1, Taking your musical analogy... the 'music or dole' bands are still there, but they're not what you hear about at the moment, it's cyclical, now it's the turn of the Brit School / X Factor lot (and the 'urban' music lot)... it's the same with street art, there is the art that has reached the mainstream... but scratch through the surface and there is still a whole lot of the 'street' under there
Taking your musical analogy... the 'music or dole' bands are still there, but they're not what you hear about at the moment, it's cyclical, now it's the turn of the Brit School / X Factor lot (and the 'urban' music lot)... it's the same with street art, there is the art that has reached the mainstream... but scratch through the surface and there is still a whole lot of the 'street' under there
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'Street Art', by stuey09 on Mar 20, 2008 22:38:59 GMT 1, I tend to disagree. If true street art comes from oppression then you can rule out the vast majority of European and street artists and North American artists too. Possible that the Brazilian artists could lay claim to genuine oppression, but that would depend on individual circumstances. If it comes from tough backgrounds, then I could agree a little more with you on this point. Tough backgrounds that aren't based on financial privilage though. Rich kids can have a tough time too you know (or so I'm told)
It's your last point I don't fuly understand. When you say that 'their (sic) all sheep to me' Who exactly are you refering to? Is it the artists?
I tend to disagree. If true street art comes from oppression then you can rule out the vast majority of European and street artists and North American artists too. Possible that the Brazilian artists could lay claim to genuine oppression, but that would depend on individual circumstances. If it comes from tough backgrounds, then I could agree a little more with you on this point. Tough backgrounds that aren't based on financial privilage though. Rich kids can have a tough time too you know (or so I'm told)
It's your last point I don't fuly understand. When you say that 'their (sic) all sheep to me' Who exactly are you refering to? Is it the artists?
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'Street Art', by spirit on Mar 20, 2008 22:41:16 GMT 1, I agree with every thing you just said...just sheep
that's quite funny ;D
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killerkellah
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 20, 2008 22:44:46 GMT 1, Taking your musical analogy... the 'music or dole' bands are still there, but they're not what you hear about at the moment, it's cyclical, now it's the turn of the Brit School / X Factor lot (and the 'urban' music lot)... it's the same with street art, there is the art that has reached the mainstream... but scratch through the surface and there is still a whole lot of the 'street' under there
Good point Mike.
But isnt the worry that because 'street art' has now become a middle class pass time, doesnt that and the money surrounding the genre dictate what is acceptable and good street art?
And this in turn doesnt give the less privileged artists a chance to blossom as well as sending out a fairly dull message in the work?
Taking your musical analogy... the 'music or dole' bands are still there, but they're not what you hear about at the moment, it's cyclical, now it's the turn of the Brit School / X Factor lot (and the 'urban' music lot)... it's the same with street art, there is the art that has reached the mainstream... but scratch through the surface and there is still a whole lot of the 'street' under there Good point Mike. But isnt the worry that because 'street art' has now become a middle class pass time, doesnt that and the money surrounding the genre dictate what is acceptable and good street art? And this in turn doesnt give the less privileged artists a chance to blossom as well as sending out a fairly dull message in the work? |
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'Street Art', by GVD on Mar 20, 2008 22:45:11 GMT 1, Does boredom count as a reason to go out in the streets at night to do some cool stencils  ?
Is it really a problem more people start creating 'urban'art? Eventually only people with true talent will succesfull and recognized. Im not saying im super talented or something, just in general.
Its better that people try to be urban and try to make art then actually go around stabbing people.
Does boredom count as a reason to go out in the streets at night to do some cool stencils ? Is it really a problem more people start creating 'urban'art? Eventually only people with true talent will succesfull and recognized. Im not saying im super talented or something, just in general. Its better that people try to be urban and try to make art then actually go around stabbing people. |
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killerkellah
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 20, 2008 22:51:50 GMT 1, I tend to disagree. If true street art comes from oppression then you can rule out the vast majority of European and street artists and North American artists too. Possible that the Brazilian artists could lay claim to genuine oppression, but that would depend on individual circumstances. If it comes from tough backgrounds, then I could agree a little more with you on this point. Tough backgrounds that aren't based on financial privilage though. Rich kids can have a tough time too you know (or so I'm told) It's your last point I don't fuly understand. When you say that 'their (sic) all sheep to me' Who exactly are you refering to? Is it the artists?
I think it can be a mix of tough backgrounds / oppression / poverty - whatever you like.
When I say sheep, I mean that alot of talent, college trained, educated artists are doing the street art thing because its the fashionable thing to do - not because they come from the backgrounds mentioned above.
I also think alot of the messages - are all good sentiments - but they are all being paraded in a similar style.
Its conformed non-conformity???
How anti establishment can these artists really be that it makes them go right, Im gonna say something about that?
I tend to disagree. If true street art comes from oppression then you can rule out the vast majority of European and street artists and North American artists too. Possible that the Brazilian artists could lay claim to genuine oppression, but that would depend on individual circumstances. If it comes from tough backgrounds, then I could agree a little more with you on this point. Tough backgrounds that aren't based on financial privilage though. Rich kids can have a tough time too you know (or so I'm told) It's your last point I don't fuly understand. When you say that 'their (sic) all sheep to me' Who exactly are you refering to? Is it the artists? I think it can be a mix of tough backgrounds / oppression / poverty - whatever you like. When I say sheep, I mean that alot of talent, college trained, educated artists are doing the street art thing because its the fashionable thing to do - not because they come from the backgrounds mentioned above. I also think alot of the messages - are all good sentiments - but they are all being paraded in a similar style. Its conformed non-conformity??? How anti establishment can these artists really be that it makes them go right, Im gonna say something about that? |
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'Street Art', by PRO on Mar 20, 2008 22:54:32 GMT 1, The best graffiti is hardly ever seen by joe public anyway.. hardcore graff wighters are not about the fame, only fame amongst their piers, thats why graffiti is so hard to read to the untraind eye.. its more about fucking the system and causing ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ worth of damage.... most of the best graff is painted on trains in the middle of the night and buffed off before the train is allowed to go into service.. hence you never see it.... the only proff this was ever done is the vast photo collection of most wrighters..
The best graffiti is hardly ever seen by joe public anyway.. hardcore graff wighters are not about the fame, only fame amongst their piers, thats why graffiti is so hard to read to the untraind eye.. its more about fucking the system and causing ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ worth of damage.... most of the best graff is painted on trains in the middle of the night and buffed off before the train is allowed to go into service.. hence you never see it.... the only proff this was ever done is the vast photo collection of most wrighters..
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'Street Art', by thinkbank on Mar 20, 2008 22:55:45 GMT 1, Does boredom count as a reason to go out in the streets at night to do some cool stencils ? Is it really a problem more people start creating 'urban'art? Eventually only people with true talent will succesfull and recognized. Im not saying im super talented or something, just in general. Its better that people try to be urban and try to make art then actually go around stabbing people.
I too find the word 'urban' offensive. when i grew up it was called a shit hole and couldnt wait to get out of there!!!!
Does boredom count as a reason to go out in the streets at night to do some cool stencils ? Is it really a problem more people start creating 'urban'art? Eventually only people with true talent will succesfull and recognized. Im not saying im super talented or something, just in general. Its better that people try to be urban and try to make art then actually go around stabbing people. I too find the word 'urban' offensive. when i grew up it was called a shit hole and couldnt wait to get out of there!!!! |
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 20, 2008 23:00:07 GMT 1, The best graffiti is hardly ever seen by joe public anyway.. hardcore graff wighters are not about the fame, only fame amongst their piers, thats why graffiti is so hard to read to the untraind eye.. its more about f**king the system and causing ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ worth of damage.... most of the best graff is painted on trains in the middle of the night and buffed off before the train is allowed to go into service.. hence you never see it.... the only proff this was ever done is the vast photo collection of most wrighters..
great point.. my mates who do this kind of graff cant stand todays 'street artists'.... its true, real graffers fly by night....
The best graffiti is hardly ever seen by joe public anyway.. hardcore graff wighters are not about the fame, only fame amongst their piers, thats why graffiti is so hard to read to the untraind eye.. its more about f**king the system and causing ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ worth of damage.... most of the best graff is painted on trains in the middle of the night and buffed off before the train is allowed to go into service.. hence you never see it.... the only proff this was ever done is the vast photo collection of most wrighters.. great point.. my mates who do this kind of graff cant stand todays 'street artists'.... its true, real graffers fly by night.... |
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'Street Art', by PRO on Mar 20, 2008 23:01:31 GMT 1, most street artist are glory hunters looking for fame..
most street artist are glory hunters looking for fame..
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'Street Art', by stuey09 on Mar 20, 2008 23:13:17 GMT 1, I like this killer.
Maybe there are some people who are doing 'street art' because it is the done thing. I can actually think of a couple of artists off the top of my head who do fall into this category. But it's also fair to say that there are some privilaged (through wealth, education, freedom) artists who passionately love this type of art and produce through passion. I think that it is this aspect that counts, not the background. If a person truly loves a style of art and has the skill and enthusiasm to produce it then it is a fantastic mix which can produce some amazing results.
Great thread though mate and beats the hell out of how much is xxx worth.
I like this killer.
Maybe there are some people who are doing 'street art' because it is the done thing. I can actually think of a couple of artists off the top of my head who do fall into this category. But it's also fair to say that there are some privilaged (through wealth, education, freedom) artists who passionately love this type of art and produce through passion. I think that it is this aspect that counts, not the background. If a person truly loves a style of art and has the skill and enthusiasm to produce it then it is a fantastic mix which can produce some amazing results.
Great thread though mate and beats the hell out of how much is xxx worth.
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 20, 2008 23:17:42 GMT 1, cheers mate, thanks for the response, its all good food for thought.
i agree with you what your saying although I question some of these artists 'passion'. Because they come from these good backgrounds can they really be masters / true followers of the art?
cheers mate, thanks for the response, its all good food for thought.
i agree with you what your saying although I question some of these artists 'passion'. Because they come from these good backgrounds can they really be masters / true followers of the art?
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'Street Art', by spirit on Mar 20, 2008 23:25:26 GMT 1, cheers mate, thanks for the response, its all good food for thought. i agree with you what your saying although I question some of these artists 'passion'. Because they come from these good backgrounds can they really be masters / true followers of the art?
I think they can. Class has nothing to do with it. The street is simply a public exhibition space open to anyone with enough balls to put their stuff up.
cheers mate, thanks for the response, its all good food for thought. i agree with you what your saying although I question some of these artists 'passion'. Because they come from these good backgrounds can they really be masters / true followers of the art? I think they can. Class has nothing to do with it. The street is simply a public exhibition space open to anyone with enough balls to put their stuff up. |
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'Street Art', by gtf on Mar 21, 2008 0:49:15 GMT 1, Great, great thread to start Killerkellah and a nice tonic to all the money threads.
IMO "class" and background has got nothing to do with it. It is what is in the artists heart that is important (even though that sounds a bit w*nk).
The guys/gals that are putting up their or their gangs names are doing it to make themselves heard in pretty much the same way as most of the "artists" that are putting up their comment on society.
Unfortunately it seems that some artists (and collectors!) are now into street art with the main intention of making themselves famous/rich/trendy. IMO this is not what it is should be about.
Great, great thread to start Killerkellah and a nice tonic to all the money threads.
IMO "class" and background has got nothing to do with it. It is what is in the artists heart that is important (even though that sounds a bit w*nk).
The guys/gals that are putting up their or their gangs names are doing it to make themselves heard in pretty much the same way as most of the "artists" that are putting up their comment on society.
Unfortunately it seems that some artists (and collectors!) are now into street art with the main intention of making themselves famous/rich/trendy. IMO this is not what it is should be about.
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'Street Art', by holden on Mar 21, 2008 1:17:54 GMT 1, Great thread
I pretty much agree with your opener and all that has been added re: 'tough' backgrounds and message.
I do however think we as the comsumers are also dictating and fuelling this scene/trend of trying to get graffiti onto our very middle class walls. The real talent of some of these artists, is doing just that, irrespective of their background(s).
The more popular artists produce work that looks great framed yet still looks raw, cool and street (urban is awful and highlights this marketing trend at the moment, IMHO) for ourselves and friends.
Its all a bit of a disconnect really in many ways with original intent. I like the idea that many were out to do massive damage and cause mayhem and yet here we are spending an absolute motsa to get them up on our walls, wrapped in cotton wool and in A1 condition, otherwise its pants!!
(Not saying its a bad thing either, just odd when you really think about it.......
Do you?)
Great thread
I pretty much agree with your opener and all that has been added re: 'tough' backgrounds and message.
I do however think we as the comsumers are also dictating and fuelling this scene/trend of trying to get graffiti onto our very middle class walls. The real talent of some of these artists, is doing just that, irrespective of their background(s).
The more popular artists produce work that looks great framed yet still looks raw, cool and street (urban is awful and highlights this marketing trend at the moment, IMHO) for ourselves and friends.
Its all a bit of a disconnect really in many ways with original intent. I like the idea that many were out to do massive damage and cause mayhem and yet here we are spending an absolute motsa to get them up on our walls, wrapped in cotton wool and in A1 condition, otherwise its pants!!
(Not saying its a bad thing either, just odd when you really think about it.......
Do you?)
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'Street Art', by crazyarsemother on Mar 21, 2008 2:27:36 GMT 1, IMO to say that a persons 'class struggle' makes them better at any form of art is dumb. To think that the streets are owned by the under class is really regressive. Personally I see 'graf' as an exciting opportunity outside ther gallery space. Its 'situation art'. Why does art celebrating life have any less value than that expressing a 'rough deal'? I think really good artists stand out from the dross and that will always be the case. I don't really see how the commercial success of these artists changes much. They are still producing great work. To object to the 'middle class' enjoying the same aesthetics as yourself is just classest and inverse snobbery. (great thread btw).
IMO to say that a persons 'class struggle' makes them better at any form of art is dumb. To think that the streets are owned by the under class is really regressive. Personally I see 'graf' as an exciting opportunity outside ther gallery space. Its 'situation art'. Why does art celebrating life have any less value than that expressing a 'rough deal'? I think really good artists stand out from the dross and that will always be the case. I don't really see how the commercial success of these artists changes much. They are still producing great work. To object to the 'middle class' enjoying the same aesthetics as yourself is just classest and inverse snobbery. (great thread btw).
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'Street Art', by colonelkurtz on Mar 21, 2008 3:03:57 GMT 1, personnally, couldn't really give if the artist was minted, skinted, middle, slightly left, backward, classless by using a penny farthing.
It's the final product i'm looking at.
personnally, couldn't really give if the artist was minted, skinted, middle, slightly left, backward, classless by using a penny farthing.
It's the final product i'm looking at.
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'Street Art', by newmang on Mar 21, 2008 3:16:59 GMT 1, I believe true street art comes from oppression / tough backgrounds / a fire / a need to shout out - and thats when the messages really strike a chord.
I'm sure that a lot of street art starts out this way, but I don't believe thats the only way. We're all here on a Banksy forum, and I don't believe that any of his recent art comes form oppression etc.
If you look at a lot of the street art thats going on in my home town of Bristol, it appears to be being done to improve the run down areas and deserted buildings to make living and being in these areas a better experience. The piece below by Xenz is beautiful, and I'd much rather see pieces like this on the streets than angry graffiti.
What's fascinating for me is that i take my 6 year old daughter with me to look at the street art in Bristol and she loves it. She hates tagging because it spoils buildings, but she can't understand why people think graffiti is bad, because she thinks the big pieces make buildings look better.
I believe true street art comes from oppression / tough backgrounds / a fire / a need to shout out - and thats when the messages really strike a chord. I'm sure that a lot of street art starts out this way, but I don't believe thats the only way. We're all here on a Banksy forum, and I don't believe that any of his recent art comes form oppression etc. If you look at a lot of the street art thats going on in my home town of Bristol, it appears to be being done to improve the run down areas and deserted buildings to make living and being in these areas a better experience. The piece below by Xenz is beautiful, and I'd much rather see pieces like this on the streets than angry graffiti. What's fascinating for me is that i take my 6 year old daughter with me to look at the street art in Bristol and she loves it. She hates tagging because it spoils buildings, but she can't understand why people think graffiti is bad, because she thinks the big pieces make buildings look better. |
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'Street Art', by wimpy on Mar 21, 2008 8:05:41 GMT 1, And here I was thinking that graffiti started with people just doing it because they wanted the reputation for doing it... and out of boredom.
When someone paints pretty pictures on walls illegally without any discernable style linking it all and has no name to attach to it, then I'll start to think it is about something else.
And here I was thinking that graffiti started with people just doing it because they wanted the reputation for doing it... and out of boredom.
When someone paints pretty pictures on walls illegally without any discernable style linking it all and has no name to attach to it, then I'll start to think it is about something else.
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'Street Art', by spencerlee on Mar 21, 2008 8:38:02 GMT 1, Love that Xenz piece.
Love that Xenz piece.
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'Street Art', by slowmo on Mar 21, 2008 9:31:16 GMT 1, Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing.
Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing.
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'Street Art', by guest2 on Mar 21, 2008 10:07:42 GMT 1, Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing.
very true and some 'urban artists' frequently talked about on here went to ... Public school 
Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing. very true and some 'urban artists' frequently talked about on here went to ... Public school |
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'Street Art', by steve on Mar 21, 2008 11:15:22 GMT 1, Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing.
ronnie wood middle class? do me a favour....he's a canal boat gypsy boy!
Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing. ronnie wood middle class? do me a favour....he's a canal boat gypsy boy! |
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'Street Art', by stuey09 on Mar 21, 2008 11:23:09 GMT 1, Greatest working class band, The Clash. Fronted by the Late and Great Joe Strummer, oddly enough an ex public school boy. Joe wore his heart on his sleeve when it came to social and political protest and attacked these causes with total passion. So it tends to dilute the argument that the class a person comes from contributes to their credentials for protest.
Greatest working class band, The Clash. Fronted by the Late and Great Joe Strummer, oddly enough an ex public school boy. Joe wore his heart on his sleeve when it came to social and political protest and attacked these causes with total passion. So it tends to dilute the argument that the class a person comes from contributes to their credentials for protest.
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'Street Art', by howlinhooker on Mar 21, 2008 11:24:51 GMT 1, Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing. ronnie wood middle class? do me a favour....he's a canal boat gypsy boy!
Rolling stones were middle class, so were the beatles? By implying that street art has to be made by the disenfranchised you are simply adding to the scene being able to market itself as 'urban'. It fits nicely with lots of companies marketing. ronnie wood middle class? do me a favour....he's a canal boat gypsy boy! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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'Street Art', by thinkbank on Mar 21, 2008 13:05:15 GMT 1, I think alot of todays modern 'street' artists just using the street as free advertising space so that they can line their pockets in the future.
and not because they really care about the area or the message.
I think alot of todays modern 'street' artists just using the street as free advertising space so that they can line their pockets in the future.
and not because they really care about the area or the message.
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'Street Art', by killerkellah on Mar 21, 2008 13:21:18 GMT 1, IMO to say that a persons 'class struggle' makes them better at any form of art is dumb. To think that the streets are owned by the under class is really regressive. Personally I see 'graf' as an exciting opportunity outside ther gallery space. Its 'situation art'. Why does art celebrating life have any less value than that expressing a 'rough deal'? I think really good artists stand out from the dross and that will always be the case. I don't really see how the commercial success of these artists changes much. They are still producing great work. To object to the 'middle class' enjoying the same aesthetics as yourself is just classest and inverse snobbery. (great thread btw).
Hi, thanks for the response. great thread.
I agree with some of what your saying, but I think to dismiss peoples backgrounds as not having an influence on their art as equally dumb.
We are all influenced by different things and situations in our lives. My original point is that if 'street art' was born out of working class routes then how can the middle classes / college trained art grads have the same impact and influence on the scene now?
I look at some artists works - having a go at the police etc and you think, what do you really know about police harassment? Have you bothered to read up on the Palestine issue?
Some will have, but Im sure alot havent bothered.
Are they just doing it because Banksy and co did it with great success?
I dont have a problem with the classes but it seems that when middle classes and above get into anything, then in some respects it becomes a watered down version of what it actually was.
And in that respect it loses the power it had in the first place.
There is of course and exception to every rule and Joe Strummer is the prefect example!
IMO to say that a persons 'class struggle' makes them better at any form of art is dumb. To think that the streets are owned by the under class is really regressive. Personally I see 'graf' as an exciting opportunity outside ther gallery space. Its 'situation art'. Why does art celebrating life have any less value than that expressing a 'rough deal'? I think really good artists stand out from the dross and that will always be the case. I don't really see how the commercial success of these artists changes much. They are still producing great work. To object to the 'middle class' enjoying the same aesthetics as yourself is just classest and inverse snobbery. (great thread btw). Hi, thanks for the response. great thread. I agree with some of what your saying, but I think to dismiss peoples backgrounds as not having an influence on their art as equally dumb. We are all influenced by different things and situations in our lives. My original point is that if 'street art' was born out of working class routes then how can the middle classes / college trained art grads have the same impact and influence on the scene now? I look at some artists works - having a go at the police etc and you think, what do you really know about police harassment? Have you bothered to read up on the Palestine issue? Some will have, but Im sure alot havent bothered. Are they just doing it because Banksy and co did it with great success? I dont have a problem with the classes but it seems that when middle classes and above get into anything, then in some respects it becomes a watered down version of what it actually was. And in that respect it loses the power it had in the first place. There is of course and exception to every rule and Joe Strummer is the prefect example! |
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'Street Art', by mcster on Mar 21, 2008 13:46:06 GMT 1, Great analogy using Strummer, despite his background he lived the life of the people he related to. His reality of living in run-down London squats was no different to those he lived with, whatever their class. I suppose we can say the same about Street Art, if the artist is out painting, getting good work up in lots of interesting and difficult places their background makes no difference. If they are art school students using street art as a temporary stepping stone into the 'real' art World they'll soon be spotted, probably by both camps. The Clash 'I fought the Law' just came on the news as I wrote this by the way...
Great analogy using Strummer, despite his background he lived the life of the people he related to. His reality of living in run-down London squats was no different to those he lived with, whatever their class. I suppose we can say the same about Street Art, if the artist is out painting, getting good work up in lots of interesting and difficult places their background makes no difference. If they are art school students using street art as a temporary stepping stone into the 'real' art World they'll soon be spotted, probably by both camps. The Clash 'I fought the Law' just came on the news as I wrote this by the way...
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