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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by a4mnt on Jan 11, 2009 16:38:01 GMT 1, so according to the last few posts, its advisable that we all make some wrapping paper and post it on a forum and wait for congratulations?
so according to the last few posts, its advisable that we all make some wrapping paper and post it on a forum and wait for congratulations?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by wiz on Jan 11, 2009 16:40:25 GMT 1, sorry to be slow here but where did the wrapping paper reference come from, was it a nod to hirsts rolls of wallpaper or something.
sorry to be slow here but where did the wrapping paper reference come from, was it a nod to hirsts rolls of wallpaper or something.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by karborn on Jan 11, 2009 16:41:58 GMT 1, 
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by baznyc on Jan 11, 2009 16:48:20 GMT 1,  A one off 57x49 inches Printed with high quality UV inks on Gloss Photographic paper to be released next week
Rather than focus on the issues with Cartrain, I'd rather see some constructive analysis of his work, and perhaps this particular piece of work.
One or two people on here have said that they like this piece of work. I'd be very interested to know why? What is it that would induce you to part with some hard earned greenback to buy this and put it on your wall? I ask because I'd find this difficult to endure if it was on my wall.
Personally, although I like the tonal range, the actual form is bland and meaningless. It offers very little stimulation to me and frankly it strikes me as a piece of extremely boring and immature art, displaying no development of innovation from the artist.
However, that's just my opinion and I'd be delighted to read a counter argument, particularly from someone who is willing to back up their argument by purchasing this piece of 'art'.
As Zoe Ball once said, 'I'm all ears'...
A one off 57x49 inches Printed with high quality UV inks on Gloss Photographic paper to be released next week Rather than focus on the issues with Cartrain, I'd rather see some constructive analysis of his work, and perhaps this particular piece of work. One or two people on here have said that they like this piece of work. I'd be very interested to know why? What is it that would induce you to part with some hard earned greenback to buy this and put it on your wall? I ask because I'd find this difficult to endure if it was on my wall. Personally, although I like the tonal range, the actual form is bland and meaningless. It offers very little stimulation to me and frankly it strikes me as a piece of extremely boring and immature art, displaying no development of innovation from the artist. However, that's just my opinion and I'd be delighted to read a counter argument, particularly from someone who is willing to back up their argument by purchasing this piece of 'art'. As Zoe Ball once said, 'I'm all ears'... |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by a4mnt on Jan 11, 2009 16:51:12 GMT 1, Negative opinions and the stuff i have read in recent months regarding Cartrain are WORLDS apart. As for being congratulated simply for trying, i prefer to see it as fair play for keeping on AND not rising to nasty/personal diatribes from others. I say the above is i know, if i were Cartrain and had the same stuff said about me online, i would be keen to meet these people in the flesh and probably lose my temper. This i admire!! and a trait i would be proud of if i possessed it Age to me means, having the maturity to know what to say and what not to say. Each to his own i guess,
anyone involved in a creative field knows to expect positive and negative input. If an artist doesn't want to see the negative comments, they wouldn't come on a public forum in the first place.
clearly the standard of artistic skill is directly proportionate to the amount of criticism received, which in the current case, seems perfectly fitting.
Negative opinions and the stuff i have read in recent months regarding Cartrain are WORLDS apart. As for being congratulated simply for trying, i prefer to see it as fair play for keeping on AND not rising to nasty/personal diatribes from others. I say the above is i know, if i were Cartrain and had the same stuff said about me online, i would be keen to meet these people in the flesh and probably lose my temper. This i admire!! and a trait i would be proud of if i possessed it Age to me means, having the maturity to know what to say and what not to say. Each to his own i guess, anyone involved in a creative field knows to expect positive and negative input. If an artist doesn't want to see the negative comments, they wouldn't come on a public forum in the first place. clearly the standard of artistic skill is directly proportionate to the amount of criticism received, which in the current case, seems perfectly fitting. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by hero on Jan 11, 2009 16:53:15 GMT 1, un-original and very simple. If you do have fans, I don't feel it is fair on them to put so little into it, almost insulting. My opinion without trying to insult. Hero why don't you and cartrain do a collab?
all i was saying is that this is his best thing he has done, im not saying "this is better than banksy"...it shows a great advance in his work, compared to some of the stuff he comes out with, art is art, just because you do not like it, doesnt mean everyone has to hate it aswell....
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un-original and very simple. If you do have fans, I don't feel it is fair on them to put so little into it, almost insulting. My opinion without trying to insult. Hero why don't you and cartrain do a collab? all i was saying is that this is his best thing he has done, im not saying "this is better than banksy"...it shows a great advance in his work, compared to some of the stuff he comes out with, art is art, just because you do not like it, doesnt mean everyone has to hate it aswell.... get it right H |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by wiz on Jan 11, 2009 16:54:24 GMT 1, i like the colours and the repetetitivity of the image, thats me. i would buy what i wanted to regardless of others comments or views.
i like the colours and the repetetitivity of the image, thats me. i would buy what i wanted to regardless of others comments or views.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by 365takes on Jan 11, 2009 16:55:58 GMT 1, so according to the last few posts, its advisable that we all make some wrapping paper and post it on a forum and wait for congratulations?
I did not make any comment regarding what I thought of the art work in question. Some people like to take the p1ss when an artist posts some work and it gets very boring. It is possible to make critical comments without having a go, and it makes a more interesting read. It also means that the artist, and new artists, will post their work up in the future.
At least when I see a post of cartrains work I actually think something. When I read a lot of these comments I think nothing.
so according to the last few posts, its advisable that we all make some wrapping paper and post it on a forum and wait for congratulations? I did not make any comment regarding what I thought of the art work in question. Some people like to take the p1ss when an artist posts some work and it gets very boring. It is possible to make critical comments without having a go, and it makes a more interesting read. It also means that the artist, and new artists, will post their work up in the future. At least when I see a post of cartrains work I actually think something. When I read a lot of these comments I think nothing. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by curiousgeorge on Jan 11, 2009 16:57:44 GMT 1, Positive and negative input of course, as you mentioned standard of skill dictates the amount of criticism.
In my short time here i have seen nothing like the criticism Cartrain gets, a cynic might think this is due to a group of people with a beef against Silky thus they will cause drama wherever they can.
Who exactly sets the barometer of skill by the way? Is it the same group that bang on about Silky all the time?
Positive and negative input of course, as you mentioned standard of skill dictates the amount of criticism.
In my short time here i have seen nothing like the criticism Cartrain gets, a cynic might think this is due to a group of people with a beef against Silky thus they will cause drama wherever they can.
Who exactly sets the barometer of skill by the way? Is it the same group that bang on about Silky all the time?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by a4mnt on Jan 11, 2009 17:01:58 GMT 1, so according to the last few posts, its advisable that we all make some wrapping paper and post it on a forum and wait for congratulations? I did not make any comment regarding what I thought of the art work in question. Some people like to take the p1ss when an artist posts some work and it gets very boring. It is possible to make critical comments without having a go, and it makes a more interesting read. It also means that the artist, and new artists, will post their work up in the future. At least when I see a post of cartrains work I actually think something. When I read a lot of these comments I think nothing.
people have tried giving constructive criticism in the past but still the quality remains low.
so according to the last few posts, its advisable that we all make some wrapping paper and post it on a forum and wait for congratulations? I did not make any comment regarding what I thought of the art work in question. Some people like to take the p1ss when an artist posts some work and it gets very boring. It is possible to make critical comments without having a go, and it makes a more interesting read. It also means that the artist, and new artists, will post their work up in the future. At least when I see a post of cartrains work I actually think something. When I read a lot of these comments I think nothing. people have tried giving constructive criticism in the past but still the quality remains low. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by a4mnt on Jan 11, 2009 17:06:04 GMT 1, Positive and negative input of course, as you mentioned standard of skill dictates the amount of criticism. In my short time here i have seen nothing like the criticism Cartrain gets, a cynic might think this is due to a group of people with a beef against Silky thus they will cause drama wherever they can. Who exactly sets the barometer of skill by the way? Is it the same group that bang on about Silky all the time?
i don't think any criticism given has anything to do with anyone else, its just down to the output of the artist being poor and as Corblimeyswife's creation of the same image shows, that there is little artistic talent needed and very little time taken to create this current work, that someone will actually pay for. Its as simple as that.
Why bring personal vendettas into it? Its not neccessary.
Positive and negative input of course, as you mentioned standard of skill dictates the amount of criticism. In my short time here i have seen nothing like the criticism Cartrain gets, a cynic might think this is due to a group of people with a beef against Silky thus they will cause drama wherever they can. Who exactly sets the barometer of skill by the way? Is it the same group that bang on about Silky all the time? i don't think any criticism given has anything to do with anyone else, its just down to the output of the artist being poor and as Corblimeyswife's creation of the same image shows, that there is little artistic talent needed and very little time taken to create this current work, that someone will actually pay for. Its as simple as that. Why bring personal vendettas into it? Its not neccessary. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by hero on Jan 11, 2009 17:10:15 GMT 1, Positive and negative input of course, as you mentioned standard of skill dictates the amount of criticism. In my short time here i have seen nothing like the criticism Cartrain gets, a cynic might think this is due to a group of people with a beef against Silky thus they will cause drama wherever they can. Who exactly sets the barometer of skill by the way? Is it the same group that bang on about Silky all the time? i don't think any criticism given has anything to do with anyone else, its just down to the output of the artist being poor and as Corblimeyswife's creation of the same image shows, that there is little artistic talent needed and very little time taken to create this current work, that someone will actually pay for. Its as simple as that. Why bring personal vendettas into it? Its not neccessary.
art can be all about the idea...it depends if your from the modern camp or the classical camp, after all...anybody can get a shelf from homebase and put a glass of water on it, doesnt mean it will get into the tate  www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27072
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Positive and negative input of course, as you mentioned standard of skill dictates the amount of criticism. In my short time here i have seen nothing like the criticism Cartrain gets, a cynic might think this is due to a group of people with a beef against Silky thus they will cause drama wherever they can. Who exactly sets the barometer of skill by the way? Is it the same group that bang on about Silky all the time? i don't think any criticism given has anything to do with anyone else, its just down to the output of the artist being poor and as Corblimeyswife's creation of the same image shows, that there is little artistic talent needed and very little time taken to create this current work, that someone will actually pay for. Its as simple as that. Why bring personal vendettas into it? Its not neccessary. art can be all about the idea...it depends if your from the modern camp or the classical camp, after all...anybody can get a shelf from homebase and put a glass of water on it, doesnt mean it will get into the tate www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27072H |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by corblimeyswife on Jan 11, 2009 17:10:54 GMT 1, If the 'artwork' is to be called Magic Mushrooms, wouldn't it make more sense for it to look like this...  Can't believe anyones sticking up for and taking the s**t dished out by Cartrain, this 'work' of his is awful, plain and simple. It takes no time, skill or imagination to chuck together, for those of you who like it there's no point in buying his stuff, just make your own, or buy some nice wrapping paper and stick it on the wall. Not really a case of sticking up for anyone, just speaking out against spiteful people bullying artists.If you don't like it, 'not for me' would suffice. But instead you create images to rip the back out of the artist,imo this makes you look like a spiteful/miserable old man. Grown men having sigs on other forums spouting 'I'm an official cartrain hater' or suchlike While the majority of his stuff is not my cup of tea, i CANNOT knock the guy for doing what he wants to do, would perhaps err towards having respect for him for continuing to do what he wants/believes in. Even in the face of all the hate directed towards him from people twice? his age
I'm just speaking out against the worst of the worst artists who feel they can get away with creating crap such as this AND have the nerve to try to sell it. The more people 'speak up' for this kind of crap but don't actually buy it themselves the more it encourages the artists and guilable people to buy it. I'm trying to strike the balence.
I don't normally speak out against artists, but I HAVE to make the exception for Cartrain. As for age, yes, I'm much older than Cartrain and old enough to know there's plenty of good or even great artists out there about Cartrains age, I've no time for giving any credit to an artist based on age 'handicap'.
The day Cartrain produces anything I think is decent I'll be happy to give praise or even put my money where my mouth is and buy it, so far I've seen nothing of merit, he's no more an artist than I am.
If the 'artwork' is to be called Magic Mushrooms, wouldn't it make more sense for it to look like this... Can't believe anyones sticking up for and taking the s**t dished out by Cartrain, this 'work' of his is awful, plain and simple. It takes no time, skill or imagination to chuck together, for those of you who like it there's no point in buying his stuff, just make your own, or buy some nice wrapping paper and stick it on the wall. Not really a case of sticking up for anyone, just speaking out against spiteful people bullying artists.If you don't like it, 'not for me' would suffice. But instead you create images to rip the back out of the artist,imo this makes you look like a spiteful/miserable old man. Grown men having sigs on other forums spouting 'I'm an official cartrain hater' or suchlike While the majority of his stuff is not my cup of tea, i CANNOT knock the guy for doing what he wants to do, would perhaps err towards having respect for him for continuing to do what he wants/believes in. Even in the face of all the hate directed towards him from people twice? his age I'm just speaking out against the worst of the worst artists who feel they can get away with creating crap such as this AND have the nerve to try to sell it. The more people 'speak up' for this kind of crap but don't actually buy it themselves the more it encourages the artists and guilable people to buy it. I'm trying to strike the balence. I don't normally speak out against artists, but I HAVE to make the exception for Cartrain. As for age, yes, I'm much older than Cartrain and old enough to know there's plenty of good or even great artists out there about Cartrains age, I've no time for giving any credit to an artist based on age 'handicap'. The day Cartrain produces anything I think is decent I'll be happy to give praise or even put my money where my mouth is and buy it, so far I've seen nothing of merit, he's no more an artist than I am. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Jan 11, 2009 17:30:27 GMT 1, Like the CBL piece ;D well done!
Still think I would go for the Cartrain given the choice
Like the CBL piece ;D well done! Still think I would go for the Cartrain given the choice |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by loucastel on Jan 11, 2009 17:33:50 GMT 1, Not really a case of sticking up for anyone, just speaking out against spiteful people bullying artists.If you don't like it, 'not for me' would suffice. But instead you create images to rip the back out of the artist,imo this makes you look like a spiteful/miserable old man. Grown men having sigs on other forums spouting 'I'm an official cartrain hater' or suchlike While the majority of his stuff is not my cup of tea, i CANNOT knock the guy for doing what he wants to do, would perhaps err towards having respect for him for continuing to do what he wants/believes in. Even in the face of all the hate directed towards him from people twice? his age I'm just speaking out against the worst of the worst artists who feel they can get away with creating crap such as this AND have the nerve to try to sell it. The more people 'speak up' for this kind of crap but don't actually buy it themselves the more it encourages the artists and guilable people to buy it. I'm trying to strike the balence. I don't normally speak out against artists, but I HAVE to make the exception for Cartrain. As for age, yes, I'm much older than Cartrain and old enough to know there's plenty of good or even great artists out there about Cartrains age, I've no time for giving any credit to an artist based on age 'handicap'. The day Cartrain produces anything I think is decent I'll be happy to give praise or even put my money where my mouth is and buy it, so far I've seen nothing of merit, he's no more an artist than I am.
Well, Well, Well, look who's back, cant stay away eh!!, and it's the official Cartrain hater himself, couldnt believe what I saw you had under your posts on WK, you are more of a kid than cartrain, I'm not a lover of his work, but at least he trys, why not just say "no thanks not for me" and move on, no for you that would be too easy!
Not really a case of sticking up for anyone, just speaking out against spiteful people bullying artists.If you don't like it, 'not for me' would suffice. But instead you create images to rip the back out of the artist,imo this makes you look like a spiteful/miserable old man. Grown men having sigs on other forums spouting 'I'm an official cartrain hater' or suchlike While the majority of his stuff is not my cup of tea, i CANNOT knock the guy for doing what he wants to do, would perhaps err towards having respect for him for continuing to do what he wants/believes in. Even in the face of all the hate directed towards him from people twice? his age I'm just speaking out against the worst of the worst artists who feel they can get away with creating crap such as this AND have the nerve to try to sell it. The more people 'speak up' for this kind of crap but don't actually buy it themselves the more it encourages the artists and guilable people to buy it. I'm trying to strike the balence. I don't normally speak out against artists, but I HAVE to make the exception for Cartrain. As for age, yes, I'm much older than Cartrain and old enough to know there's plenty of good or even great artists out there about Cartrains age, I've no time for giving any credit to an artist based on age 'handicap'. The day Cartrain produces anything I think is decent I'll be happy to give praise or even put my money where my mouth is and buy it, so far I've seen nothing of merit, he's no more an artist than I am. Well, Well, Well, look who's back, cant stay away eh!!, and it's the official Cartrain hater himself, couldnt believe what I saw you had under your posts on WK, you are more of a kid than cartrain, I'm not a lover of his work, but at least he trys, why not just say "no thanks not for me" and move on, no for you that would be too easy! |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by baznyc on Jan 11, 2009 17:34:26 GMT 1, Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image'
However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art.
So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money?
Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image'
However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art.
So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money?
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Daniel Silk on Jan 11, 2009 17:36:42 GMT 1, Great thread this ;D Cartrain's gonna love it! ;D ;D ;D
Great thread this ;D Cartrain's gonna love it! ;D ;D ;D
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by hero on Jan 11, 2009 17:38:58 GMT 1, Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money?
try and read my post, its near the top of the page
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Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money? try and read my post, its near the top of the page H |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by curiousgeorge on Jan 11, 2009 17:42:41 GMT 1, Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money?
Ok i will bite....
I like it for the fact, the guy is bullied over various forums yet he still continues to work. Might not be the reply you wanted, not so much about the content but the story/history behind it.
Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money? Ok i will bite.... I like it for the fact, the guy is bullied over various forums yet he still continues to work. Might not be the reply you wanted, not so much about the content but the story/history behind it. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by Karl Read on Jan 11, 2009 17:42:45 GMT 1, Wow, an entertaining thread this. I myself am not keen on Cartrains Art, im not going to go in to why but you have to give it to the kid though, he creates a conversation all right and no matter how much he gets shot down, he keeps posting his art on here and getting out there with it. Well iv got respect for anyone who can do that.
Wow, an entertaining thread this. I myself am not keen on Cartrains Art, im not going to go in to why but you have to give it to the kid though, he creates a conversation all right and no matter how much he gets shot down, he keeps posting his art on here and getting out there with it. Well iv got respect for anyone who can do that.
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by baznyc on Jan 11, 2009 17:43:28 GMT 1, Great thread this ;D Cartrain's gonna love it! ;D ;D ;D
He may 'love it' more if it was geared up for constructive criticism of his work, rather than personality bashing do you not think?
Actually Silky, you said you like this piece. Why? What is it that made you take another look, exhale and think 'fuck, that's amazing. What an excellent piece of art work'?
Great thread this ;D Cartrain's gonna love it! ;D ;D ;D He may 'love it' more if it was geared up for constructive criticism of his work, rather than personality bashing do you not think? Actually Silky, you said you like this piece. Why? What is it that made you take another look, exhale and think 'fuck, that's amazing. What an excellent piece of art work'? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by baznyc on Jan 11, 2009 17:48:45 GMT 1, Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money? Ok i will bite.... I like it for the fact, the guy is bullied over various forums yet he still continues to work. Might not be the reply you wanted, not so much about the content but the story/history behind it.
Thanks George, your honesty is appreciated. So it's got little to do with any artistic merit, but purely a respect for the artist's courage.
Fair play.
Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money? Ok i will bite.... I like it for the fact, the guy is bullied over various forums yet he still continues to work. Might not be the reply you wanted, not so much about the content but the story/history behind it. Thanks George, your honesty is appreciated. So it's got little to do with any artistic merit, but purely a respect for the artist's courage. Fair play. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by wiz on Jan 11, 2009 17:51:52 GMT 1, Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money?
well baznyc, there are lots of artworks i like which could be copied with minimal effort, i could paint some spots on a card and call it my hirst or i could scribble a couple of squiggly lines for my neate and i am sure if i look hard enough i can find someone to paint me a pollock using dulux matchpots, doesnt stop me liking the original works though.  . i have lots of art and i am sure that i couldnt explain why i like some of it, i just do.
Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money? well baznyc, there are lots of artworks i like which could be copied with minimal effort, i could paint some spots on a card and call it my hirst or i could scribble a couple of squiggly lines for my neate and i am sure if i look hard enough i can find someone to paint me a pollock using dulux matchpots, doesnt stop me liking the original works though. . i have lots of art and i am sure that i couldnt explain why i like some of it, i just do. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by curiousgeorge on Jan 11, 2009 17:55:25 GMT 1,
Not 100% about courage, but yes that does play a big part in my feelings/decisions
Not to take this off topic, but Nikodey? recently had a very early Banksy grenade given PC COA(which was also slated by many on here) At the time of making it I'm sure many people may have said it's gash get a proper job etc,etc. I guess lots of us are glad he didn't listen
I say it often to my son, persistence IS everything
Not 100% about courage, but yes that does play a big part in my feelings/decisions
Not to take this off topic, but Nikodey? recently had a very early Banksy grenade given PC COA(which was also slated by many on here) At the time of making it I'm sure many people may have said it's gash get a proper job etc,etc. I guess lots of us are glad he didn't listen
I say it often to my son, persistence IS everything
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by baznyc on Jan 11, 2009 17:56:26 GMT 1, Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money? try and read my post, its near the top of the page H
Thanks H, I did try and succeeded in reading your post.
Your earlier assertions that this is Cartrain's 'best work to date' and 'great advance in his work' are rhetorical when not backed up by meaning, but I agree with your point that art can be about the idea.
Context means a great deal. Look at the Banksy work in New Orleans. Perfect execution of art with genuine context. Beejoir was mentioned earlier in the thread and the context of LV Child is very good. However, what is it about the 'idea' of this piece of work which makes you believe that it is a worthwhile and credible piece of art?
Well so far the only counter argument offered (thank you Wizbong) has been 'I like the colours and repetetitivity [sic] of the image' However, you can get this from a decent pack of felt tip pens and I assume we're not classing those as ground breaking art. So I'm still asking. What is it that appeals so much about this piece of work that would make you want to hang it and possibly part with your money? try and read my post, its near the top of the page H Thanks H, I did try and succeeded in reading your post. Your earlier assertions that this is Cartrain's 'best work to date' and 'great advance in his work' are rhetorical when not backed up by meaning, but I agree with your point that art can be about the idea. Context means a great deal. Look at the Banksy work in New Orleans. Perfect execution of art with genuine context. Beejoir was mentioned earlier in the thread and the context of LV Child is very good. However, what is it about the 'idea' of this piece of work which makes you believe that it is a worthwhile and credible piece of art? |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by corblimeyswife on Jan 11, 2009 17:57:53 GMT 1, Well, Well, Well, look who's back, cant stay away eh!!, and it's the official Cartrain hater himself, couldnt believe what I saw you had under your posts on WK, you are more of a kid than cartrain, I'm not a lover of his work, but at least he trys, why not just say "no thanks not for me" and move on, no for you that would be too easy!
You can't stay away from WK either can you, sidneyco, you're such a hypocrite, you're even standing up for Cartrain's work when you don't actually like it.
Well, Well, Well, look who's back, cant stay away eh!!, and it's the official Cartrain hater himself, couldnt believe what I saw you had under your posts on WK, you are more of a kid than cartrain, I'm not a lover of his work, but at least he trys, why not just say "no thanks not for me" and move on, no for you that would be too easy! You can't stay away from WK either can you, sidneyco, you're such a hypocrite, you're even standing up for Cartrain's work when you don't actually like it. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by loucastel on Jan 11, 2009 18:00:30 GMT 1, Some of the post on here are so banal that they make me like this more and more!!!
Some of the post on here are so banal that they make me like this more and more!!!
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by corblimeyswife on Jan 11, 2009 18:04:48 GMT 1, Some of the post on here are so banal that they make me like this more and more!!!
This is probably the most banal post on this thread, I'll leave you to enjoy your own rambling.
Some of the post on here are so banal that they make me like this more and more!!! This is probably the most banal post on this thread, I'll leave you to enjoy your own rambling. |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by LEVI C on Jan 11, 2009 18:05:47 GMT 1, un-original and very simple. If you do have fans, I don't feel it is fair on them to put so little into it, almost insulting. My opinion without trying to insult. Hero why don't you and cartrain do a collab? Cartrain's work may be derivate and amateurish to almost painful degrees but really, LEVI C, you are very much the pot calling the kettle black...
My comment about Catrain was that he put too little into it, as I think it is very simple. Saying I am pot calling the kettle black means you think I put very little into mine  . Which to be honest is very insulting.
Your mouth has been spewing filth in most of your posts. I've only noticed one person so foul and self rightious before and his name was also Mike on WK. If you are him because they finally got rid of you and noticed the plummeting traffic and activity levels were because of forum casualties like you. (The other mike guy apparrently sits there in coke fuelled sweats, on his own, having arguments and inlsulting all emerging artists and there efforts - SPQR, Jef, Replete, Rourke to name a few- he is a classic forum casualty ;D)
I thinks it's you isn't it Mike?
If not then go and join him, you both have something in common............cocks!
un-original and very simple. If you do have fans, I don't feel it is fair on them to put so little into it, almost insulting. My opinion without trying to insult. Hero why don't you and cartrain do a collab? Cartrain's work may be derivate and amateurish to almost painful degrees but really, LEVI C, you are very much the pot calling the kettle black... My comment about Catrain was that he put too little into it, as I think it is very simple. Saying I am pot calling the kettle black means you think I put very little into mine . Which to be honest is very insulting. Your mouth has been spewing filth in most of your posts. I've only noticed one person so foul and self rightious before and his name was also Mike on WK. If you are him because they finally got rid of you and noticed the plummeting traffic and activity levels were because of forum casualties like you. (The other mike guy apparrently sits there in coke fuelled sweats, on his own, having arguments and inlsulting all emerging artists and there efforts - SPQR, Jef, Replete, Rourke to name a few- he is a classic forum casualty ;D) I thinks it's you isn't it Mike? If not then go and join him, you both have something in common............cocks! |
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Cartrain π¬π§ Tate Gallery β’ Damien Hirst β’ Gilbert & George, by hero on Jan 11, 2009 18:08:18 GMT 1, try and read my post, its near the top of the page H Thanks H, I did try and succeeded in reading your post. Your earlier assertions that this is Cartrain's 'best work to date' and 'great advance in his work' are rhetorical when not backed up by meaning, but I agree with your point that art can be about the idea. Context means a great deal. Look at the Banksy work in New Orleans. Perfect execution of art with genuine context. Beejoir was mentioned earlier in the thread and the context of LV Child is very good. However, what is it about the 'idea' of this piece of work which makes you believe that it is a worthwhile and credible piece of art?
what i meant about his work being best to date and a great advance is that this one is much better than some of the stuff he has been coming out with, if im completely honest, ive seen it done much better...done as dots with one dot dripping down...i would not buy it, myself, but i would say that it shows signs that his work is coming along from the early pages of "stencil me disney"
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try and read my post, its near the top of the page H Thanks H, I did try and succeeded in reading your post. Your earlier assertions that this is Cartrain's 'best work to date' and 'great advance in his work' are rhetorical when not backed up by meaning, but I agree with your point that art can be about the idea. Context means a great deal. Look at the Banksy work in New Orleans. Perfect execution of art with genuine context. Beejoir was mentioned earlier in the thread and the context of LV Child is very good. However, what is it about the 'idea' of this piece of work which makes you believe that it is a worthwhile and credible piece of art? what i meant about his work being best to date and a great advance is that this one is much better than some of the stuff he has been coming out with, if im completely honest, ive seen it done much better...done as dots with one dot dripping down...i would not buy it, myself, but i would say that it shows signs that his work is coming along from the early pages of "stencil me disney" H |
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. i have lots of art and i am sure that i couldnt explain why i like some of it, i just do.
. Which to be honest is very insulting. 
