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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Jimmy Oscar on Aug 24, 2014 14:07:59 GMT 1, I love how all the smaller up and coming artists gets tons of hate for doing the exact same thing. Here it's meeting demand, and for others it's milking the cash cow. The reason you buy numbered and signed prints is because you want to be one of a few people who got this image. If they keep releasing the same image it's nothing more than a poster. What is the difference between this edition that will push the total # to around 600 (all signed) and Banksy or Hewlett that have editions around 600 that the majority are unsigned? Does that mean Banksy is just issuing posters? Blasphemy!! Or the countless PP and APs (from other artists) that seem to see the light of day. Another big difference is that ESPO has a phenomenally large catalog and is not just limiting himself to Squiggles, Balaclavas, and Bandanas. Granted he is a writer, so he tends to stick with images interacting with wordplay. BUT he has dozens (if not hundreds) of painting and prints that are unique from each other.
I would have thought it was massively obvious but I'll spell it out so you get it.
The Banksys or any other artist you mention come from an edition of 600 - 750 - 300 - or whatever.
That is stated when the sale happened and there have been no more issued.
Folk that bought this originally also thought the same - and they have had their 'limited edition' signed and numbered print massively diluted.
If he stated on the original release that there would be 200, plus releases later on of other color ways then no issue - but that didn't happen.
I have no problem with him issuing other color ways and I like the new ones - but I can see that someone who bought one in good faith at the original drop might be disapointed.
I love how all the smaller up and coming artists gets tons of hate for doing the exact same thing. Here it's meeting demand, and for others it's milking the cash cow. The reason you buy numbered and signed prints is because you want to be one of a few people who got this image. If they keep releasing the same image it's nothing more than a poster. What is the difference between this edition that will push the total # to around 600 (all signed) and Banksy or Hewlett that have editions around 600 that the majority are unsigned? Does that mean Banksy is just issuing posters? Blasphemy!! Or the countless PP and APs (from other artists) that seem to see the light of day. Another big difference is that ESPO has a phenomenally large catalog and is not just limiting himself to Squiggles, Balaclavas, and Bandanas. Granted he is a writer, so he tends to stick with images interacting with wordplay. BUT he has dozens (if not hundreds) of painting and prints that are unique from each other. I would have thought it was massively obvious but I'll spell it out so you get it. The Banksys or any other artist you mention come from an edition of 600 - 750 - 300 - or whatever. That is stated when the sale happened and there have been no more issued. Folk that bought this originally also thought the same - and they have had their 'limited edition' signed and numbered print massively diluted. If he stated on the original release that there would be 200, plus releases later on of other color ways then no issue - but that didn't happen. I have no problem with him issuing other color ways and I like the new ones - but I can see that someone who bought one in good faith at the original drop might be disapointed. |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by South Bound on Aug 24, 2014 14:56:36 GMT 1, What is the difference between this edition that will push the total # to around 600 (all signed) and Banksy or Hewlett that have editions around 600 that the majority are unsigned? Does that mean Banksy is just issuing posters? Blasphemy!! Or the countless PP and APs (from other artists) that seem to see the light of day. Another big difference is that ESPO has a phenomenally large catalog and is not just limiting himself to Squiggles, Balaclavas, and Bandanas. Granted he is a writer, so he tends to stick with images interacting with wordplay. BUT he has dozens (if not hundreds) of painting and prints that are unique from each other. I would have thought it was massively obvious but I'll spell it out so you get it. The Banksys or any other artist you mention come from an edition of 600 - 750 - 300 - or whatever. That is stated when the sale happened and there have been no more issued. Folk that bought this originally also thought the same - and they have had their 'limited edition' signed and numbered print massively diluted. If he stated on the original release that there would be 200, plus releases later on of other color ways then no issue - but that didn't happen. I have no problem with him issuing other color ways and I like the new ones - but I can see that someone who bought one in good faith at the original drop might be disapointed.
Since we are going to speak about this on purely financial terms, most collectibles in there 1st edition maintain there value regardless of future editions because collectors will always seek out the first editions (kind of like rookie baseball cards). If you are buying a later edition well you now know the ball game you are getting into. However sometime later editions (on collectible items) have something funky attributed and can actually be more collectible then the original series.
i get what you are saying regarding the consumer being unaware that future editions might be issued, but unless they are purchasing because they think of it as an investment and not because they like the image. Then I do not see an issue.
I have the "You / Me" 3rd edition which I bought because I liked it and could care less about future issues and value.
now let's talk about the seemingly ridiculous amount of APs and PPs that seem to keep popping up from various artist and printing houses. I can think of 2 artists right now that had AP releases on their sites this past month. One had 2 different prints with 10 APs and the other had 3 prints with unknown # of APs. Doesn't that seem a little disingenuous that the artist can continually release the same print but also jack the price because it is an AP?
in the end if you don't like it ignore it and don't buy it
What is the difference between this edition that will push the total # to around 600 (all signed) and Banksy or Hewlett that have editions around 600 that the majority are unsigned? Does that mean Banksy is just issuing posters? Blasphemy!! Or the countless PP and APs (from other artists) that seem to see the light of day. Another big difference is that ESPO has a phenomenally large catalog and is not just limiting himself to Squiggles, Balaclavas, and Bandanas. Granted he is a writer, so he tends to stick with images interacting with wordplay. BUT he has dozens (if not hundreds) of painting and prints that are unique from each other. I would have thought it was massively obvious but I'll spell it out so you get it. The Banksys or any other artist you mention come from an edition of 600 - 750 - 300 - or whatever. That is stated when the sale happened and there have been no more issued. Folk that bought this originally also thought the same - and they have had their 'limited edition' signed and numbered print massively diluted. If he stated on the original release that there would be 200, plus releases later on of other color ways then no issue - but that didn't happen. I have no problem with him issuing other color ways and I like the new ones - but I can see that someone who bought one in good faith at the original drop might be disapointed. Thank you for "spelling" it out for me. Since we are going to speak about this on purely financial terms, most collectibles in there 1st edition maintain there value regardless of future editions because collectors will always seek out the first editions (kind of like rookie baseball cards). If you are buying a later edition well you now know the ball game you are getting into. However sometime later editions (on collectible items) have something funky attributed and can actually be more collectible then the original series. i get what you are saying regarding the consumer being unaware that future editions might be issued, but unless they are purchasing because they think of it as an investment and not because they like the image. Then I do not see an issue. I have the "You / Me" 3rd edition which I bought because I liked it and could care less about future issues and value. now let's talk about the seemingly ridiculous amount of APs and PPs that seem to keep popping up from various artist and printing houses. I can think of 2 artists right now that had AP releases on their sites this past month. One had 2 different prints with 10 APs and the other had 3 prints with unknown # of APs. Doesn't that seem a little disingenuous that the artist can continually release the same print but also jack the price because it is an AP? in the end if you don't like it ignore it and don't buy it |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Wearology on Aug 24, 2014 15:48:55 GMT 1, I personally believe when an artist creates an image on a specific medium and offers it up for sale and clearly states the edition size than the screen, plate, stencil whatever they use to create that image should be destroyed, unless they want to use it on the streets. If an artist plans on producing multiple editions of the same image for a later release than they should clearly state their intentions. I understand an artist needs to make a living but to release additional prints of the same image at a later date on the same medium is unacceptable.
I personally believe when an artist creates an image on a specific medium and offers it up for sale and clearly states the edition size than the screen, plate, stencil whatever they use to create that image should be destroyed, unless they want to use it on the streets. If an artist plans on producing multiple editions of the same image for a later release than they should clearly state their intentions. I understand an artist needs to make a living but to release additional prints of the same image at a later date on the same medium is unacceptable.
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by South Bound on Aug 24, 2014 16:04:46 GMT 1, I personally believe when an artist creates an image on a specific medium and offers it up for sale and clearly states the edition size than the screen, plate, stencil whatever they use to create that image should be destroyed, unless they want to use it on the streets. If an artist plans on producing multiple editions of the same image for a later release than they should clearly state their intentions. I understand an artist needs to make a living but to release additional prints of the same image at a later date on the same medium is unacceptable.
like I said earlier I am an ESPO fan boy so I probably cut him more slack then others...
I personally believe when an artist creates an image on a specific medium and offers it up for sale and clearly states the edition size than the screen, plate, stencil whatever they use to create that image should be destroyed, unless they want to use it on the streets. If an artist plans on producing multiple editions of the same image for a later release than they should clearly state their intentions. I understand an artist needs to make a living but to release additional prints of the same image at a later date on the same medium is unacceptable. I can dig that. like I said earlier I am an ESPO fan boy so I probably cut him more slack then others... |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Hairbland on Aug 24, 2014 17:45:40 GMT 1, I love how all the smaller up and coming artists gets tons of hate for doing the exact same thing. Here it's meeting demand, and for others it's milking the cash cow. The reason you buy numbered and signed prints is because you want to be one of a few people who got this image. If they keep releasing the same image it's nothing more than a poster.
Yes and no. Unlike the smaller artists you mention he's done some amazing work like the old Downtown Brooklyn Macy's parking garage. And he's provided an elaborate explanation, and much like a great book (a better analogy ) he's created multiple editions of which the first will always be the first. Keep calm and carry on already.
I love how all the smaller up and coming artists gets tons of hate for doing the exact same thing. Here it's meeting demand, and for others it's milking the cash cow. The reason you buy numbered and signed prints is because you want to be one of a few people who got this image. If they keep releasing the same image it's nothing more than a poster. Yes and no. Unlike the smaller artists you mention he's done some amazing work like the old Downtown Brooklyn Macy's parking garage. And he's provided an elaborate explanation, and much like a great book (a better analogy ) he's created multiple editions of which the first will always be the first. Keep calm and carry on already. |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by strongsauzej on Aug 25, 2014 15:00:50 GMT 1, anyone compiled the list of variations for this? i lost count 
anyone compiled the list of variations for this? i lost count |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by elwheel on Aug 25, 2014 15:38:08 GMT 1, I love my sky blue version one and don't feel any less fulfilled that there are 6 or 7 other colourways and runs out there. Still less prints of it out there than eg trollies and many other artist runs, and as has been pointed out, small runs in each colourway. I would actually prefer 12x12 format but like I say, I'm very happy with mine. Moreso, as like people have stated, Steve is a gent and sent me the blue EIS as a gift when my you/me went missing and eventually arrived in the wrong colourway. Just posted this up so that anyone who wants one of these gets the opportunity to do so.
I love my sky blue version one and don't feel any less fulfilled that there are 6 or 7 other colourways and runs out there. Still less prints of it out there than eg trollies and many other artist runs, and as has been pointed out, small runs in each colourway. I would actually prefer 12x12 format but like I say, I'm very happy with mine. Moreso, as like people have stated, Steve is a gent and sent me the blue EIS as a gift when my you/me went missing and eventually arrived in the wrong colourway. Just posted this up so that anyone who wants one of these gets the opportunity to do so.
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by randomname on Aug 25, 2014 15:54:04 GMT 1, Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for fuck's sake.
Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for fuck's sake.
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 19:25:07 GMT 1, Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for f**k's sake.
Must just go and check all my appliances are off (repeatedly).
Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for f**k's sake. I think I'd prefer a comma after 'sh1t' if one were to be added. Funny how these things niggle us, Eine's 25 letter alphabets also fall into this category for me. Must just go and check all my appliances are off (repeatedly). |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by randomname on Aug 25, 2014 20:58:49 GMT 1, Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for f**k's sake. I think I'd prefer a comma after 'sh1t' if one were to be added. Funny how these things niggle us, Eine's 25 letter alphabets also fall into this category for me. Must just go and check all my appliances are off (repeatedly).
That one doesn't bother me. Personally, I'd say it should be a period, rather than a comma. It's pretty common in typography to leave off periods at the end of sentences, especially when changing fonts.
Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for f**k's sake. I think I'd prefer a comma after 'sh1t' if one were to be added. Funny how these things niggle us, Eine's 25 letter alphabets also fall into this category for me. Must just go and check all my appliances are off (repeatedly). That one doesn't bother me. Personally, I'd say it should be a period, rather than a comma. It's pretty common in typography to leave off periods at the end of sentences, especially when changing fonts. |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by BootjackBandit on Aug 25, 2014 21:26:08 GMT 1, can't you get the older editions for less than cost?
can't you get the older editions for less than cost?
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by dave5150 on Aug 25, 2014 22:54:44 GMT 1, Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for f**k's sake.
Icy Signs do say that "Perfection is standard, mistakes cost extra".
The print would probably be $50 cheaper if it had the comma.
Every time I see this, I can't get past the missing comma before "Love." If you're going to do an all type print, pay a proofreader for f**k's sake. Icy Signs do say that "Perfection is standard, mistakes cost extra". The print would probably be $50 cheaper if it had the comma. |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Hubble Bubble on Aug 26, 2014 0:00:18 GMT 1, I'd say that the comma should be after 'you'. In this case 'except' is a conjunction and the two statements ('Everything is s**t' and 'you love') wouldn't stand alone without it. Therefore the single sentence needs the conjunction to make sense. If the two statements were slightly different and could make sense standing alone, then a comma would be used after the conjunction.
If the entire sentence read: 'everything is s**t but you are not' then a comma would be required before the conjunction (in this case the word 'but'). This is because the conjunction now links two statements ( 'everything is s**t' and 'you are not') that would otherwise stand as separate sentences. But, as things stand, 'you love' doesn't make any sense on its own. So the conjunction is essential and no comma needed.
But hold up there fellas!!! What about the missing comma before 'you'. Why, in the name of Odin's beard, should there be one there? Well, this is the vocative case rule and, in a Latin-based nutshell, this little grammar rule rascal states that if you are directly addressing someone within a sentence then you must separate them from the rest of the address by a comma.
So, 'Jack is a flipper' requires no comma as we aren't addressing Jack directly. But 'What a flipper you are, Jack' does require one because we are talking directly to Jack.
In this instance, the estimable Mr Powers is addressing his love or, as he calls her (or him), 'Love' (note the capital letter indicating a person and not simply 'love' itself. Anyway, even if he were addressing love as a general state of human consciousness, the rule would remain the same). So, because the mighty ESPO is talking directly to someone, the vocative comma rule applies and there should be a comma after 'you'.
Mind you, (note the vocative comma I just put in there  ) there are other mistakes within his sentence - as, after a Bank Holiday on the ale, I am sure there are many mistakes in my post - so I don't think we should be too picky.
Laters, 'taters.
HB.
I'd say that the comma should be after 'you'. In this case 'except' is a conjunction and the two statements ('Everything is s**t' and 'you love') wouldn't stand alone without it. Therefore the single sentence needs the conjunction to make sense. If the two statements were slightly different and could make sense standing alone, then a comma would be used after the conjunction. If the entire sentence read: 'everything is s**t but you are not' then a comma would be required before the conjunction (in this case the word 'but'). This is because the conjunction now links two statements ( 'everything is s**t' and 'you are not') that would otherwise stand as separate sentences. But, as things stand, 'you love' doesn't make any sense on its own. So the conjunction is essential and no comma needed. But hold up there fellas!!! What about the missing comma before 'you'. Why, in the name of Odin's beard, should there be one there? Well, this is the vocative case rule and, in a Latin-based nutshell, this little grammar rule rascal states that if you are directly addressing someone within a sentence then you must separate them from the rest of the address by a comma. So, 'Jack is a flipper' requires no comma as we aren't addressing Jack directly. But 'What a flipper you are, Jack' does require one because we are talking directly to Jack. In this instance, the estimable Mr Powers is addressing his love or, as he calls her (or him), 'Love' (note the capital letter indicating a person and not simply 'love' itself. Anyway, even if he were addressing love as a general state of human consciousness, the rule would remain the same). So, because the mighty ESPO is talking directly to someone, the vocative comma rule applies and there should be a comma after 'you'. Mind you, (note the vocative comma I just put in there ) there are other mistakes within his sentence - as, after a Bank Holiday on the ale, I am sure there are many mistakes in my post - so I don't think we should be too picky. Laters, 'taters. HB. |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 0:04:35 GMT 1, I'd say that the comma should be after 'you'. In this case 'except' is a conjunction and the two statements ('Everything is s**t' and 'you love') wouldn't stand alone without it. Therefore the single sentence needs the conjunction to make sense. If the two statements were slightly different and could make sense standing alone, then a comma would be used after the conjunction. If the entire sentence read: 'everything is s**t but you are not' then a comma would be required after the conjunction (in this case the word 'but'). This is because the conjunction now links two statements ( 'everything is s**t' and 'you are not') that would otherwise stand as separate sentences. But, as things stand, 'you love' doesn't make any sense on its own. So the conjunction is essential and no comma needed. But hold up there fellas!!! What about the missing comma before 'you'. Why, in the name of Odin's beard, should there be one there? Well, this is the vocative case rule and, in a Latin-based nutshell, this little grammar rule rascal states that if you are directly addressing someone within a sentence then you must separate them from the rest of the address by a comma. So, 'Jack is a flipper' requires no comma as we aren't addressing Jack directly. But 'What a flipper you are, Jack' does require one because we are talking directly to Jack. In this instance, the estimable Mr Powers is addressing his love or, as he calls her (or him), 'Love' (note the capital letter indicating a person and not simply 'love' itself. Anyway, even if he were addressing love as a general state of human consciousness, the rule would remain the same). So, because the mighty ESPO is talking directly to someone, the vocative comma rule applies and there should be a comma after 'you'. Mind you, (note the vocative comma I just put in there ) there are other mistakes within his sentence - as, after a Bank Holiday on the ale, I am sure there are many mistakes in my post - so I don't think we should be too picky. Laters, 'taters. HB.
I rather enjoyed this post, thank you good sir!
#feelfreetocorrectmycommaplacement
I'd say that the comma should be after 'you'. In this case 'except' is a conjunction and the two statements ('Everything is s**t' and 'you love') wouldn't stand alone without it. Therefore the single sentence needs the conjunction to make sense. If the two statements were slightly different and could make sense standing alone, then a comma would be used after the conjunction. If the entire sentence read: 'everything is s**t but you are not' then a comma would be required after the conjunction (in this case the word 'but'). This is because the conjunction now links two statements ( 'everything is s**t' and 'you are not') that would otherwise stand as separate sentences. But, as things stand, 'you love' doesn't make any sense on its own. So the conjunction is essential and no comma needed. But hold up there fellas!!! What about the missing comma before 'you'. Why, in the name of Odin's beard, should there be one there? Well, this is the vocative case rule and, in a Latin-based nutshell, this little grammar rule rascal states that if you are directly addressing someone within a sentence then you must separate them from the rest of the address by a comma. So, 'Jack is a flipper' requires no comma as we aren't addressing Jack directly. But 'What a flipper you are, Jack' does require one because we are talking directly to Jack. In this instance, the estimable Mr Powers is addressing his love or, as he calls her (or him), 'Love' (note the capital letter indicating a person and not simply 'love' itself. Anyway, even if he were addressing love as a general state of human consciousness, the rule would remain the same). So, because the mighty ESPO is talking directly to someone, the vocative comma rule applies and there should be a comma after 'you'. Mind you, (note the vocative comma I just put in there ) there are other mistakes within his sentence - as, after a Bank Holiday on the ale, I am sure there are many mistakes in my post - so I don't think we should be too picky. Laters, 'taters. HB. I rather enjoyed this post, thank you good sir! #feelfreetocorrectmycommaplacement |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Hubble Bubble on Aug 26, 2014 0:12:33 GMT 1, I rather enjoyed this post. Thank you, good sir.
I rather enjoyed this post. Thank you, good sir. |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 0:19:38 GMT 1, I rather enjoyed this post. Thank you, good sir.
Bastard!!!
edit: I could have used a semicolon
#BAAAMMM
I rather enjoyed this post. Thank you, good sir. Bastard!!! edit: I could have used a semicolon #BAAAMMM |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by freezy on Aug 26, 2014 0:34:37 GMT 1, Steve is an amazing, funny, and talented human. He is not making prints to make money. He is not making prints so you can make money. He is just making them.
When he sells originals... He gets quite a bit for them...
But more importantly... He is as dedicated to his craft as it gets.
He is a sign painter, a poet and an encyclopedia of graffiti history in NYC and Philladelphia. I could listen to him tell stories all day. All the criticism here is too funny.
Steve is an amazing, funny, and talented human. He is not making prints to make money. He is not making prints so you can make money. He is just making them.
When he sells originals... He gets quite a bit for them...
But more importantly... He is as dedicated to his craft as it gets.
He is a sign painter, a poet and an encyclopedia of graffiti history in NYC and Philladelphia. I could listen to him tell stories all day. All the criticism here is too funny.
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by met on Aug 26, 2014 1:24:56 GMT 1, I'd say that the comma should be after 'you'. In this case 'except' is a conjunction and the two statements ('Everything is s**t' and 'you love') wouldn't stand alone without it. Therefore the single sentence needs the conjunction to make sense. If the two statements were slightly different and could make sense standing alone, then a comma would be used after the conjunction. If the entire sentence read: 'everything is s**t but you are not' then a comma would be required before the conjunction (in this case the word 'but'). This is because the conjunction now links two statements ( 'everything is s**t' and 'you are not') that would otherwise stand as separate sentences. But, as things stand, 'you love' doesn't make any sense on its own. So the conjunction is essential and no comma needed. But hold up there fellas!!! What about the missing comma before 'you'. Why, in the name of Odin's beard, should there be one there? Well, this is the vocative case rule and, in a Latin-based nutshell, this little grammar rule rascal states that if you are directly addressing someone within a sentence then you must separate them from the rest of the address by a comma. So, 'Jack is a flipper' requires no comma as we aren't addressing Jack directly. But 'What a flipper you are, Jack' does require one because we are talking directly to Jack. In this instance, the estimable Mr Powers is addressing his love or, as he calls her (or him), 'Love' (note the capital letter indicating a person and not simply 'love' itself. Anyway, even if he were addressing love as a general state of human consciousness, the rule would remain the same). So, because the mighty ESPO is talking directly to someone, the vocative comma rule applies and there should be a comma after 'you'. Mind you, (note the vocative comma I just put in there ) there are other mistakes within his sentence - as, after a Bank Holiday on the ale, I am sure there are many mistakes in my post - so I don't think we should be too picky. Laters, 'taters. HB.
The idiom, "Can't see the wood for the trees", comes to mind.
What you've failed to spot is the much larger mistake made by Steve Powers โ the fact he fรบcked up with his spacing. And (more extraordinarily, given the multiple editions) he fรบcked up repeatedly.
On each occasion thus far, he's used paper that was too small for the screens. And on each occasion he decided to sell the prints anyway, either hoping nobody would notice, or conveniently relying upon the "Mistakes Cost Extra" part of that Icy Signs motto.
I'm holding back and waiting until Powers finally gets it right and releases the proper print with its full text: Everything is Shit, Except you Love it, don't you, you Dirty Slut?
I'd say that the comma should be after 'you'. In this case 'except' is a conjunction and the two statements ('Everything is s**t' and 'you love') wouldn't stand alone without it. Therefore the single sentence needs the conjunction to make sense. If the two statements were slightly different and could make sense standing alone, then a comma would be used after the conjunction. If the entire sentence read: 'everything is s**t but you are not' then a comma would be required before the conjunction (in this case the word 'but'). This is because the conjunction now links two statements ( 'everything is s**t' and 'you are not') that would otherwise stand as separate sentences. But, as things stand, 'you love' doesn't make any sense on its own. So the conjunction is essential and no comma needed. But hold up there fellas!!! What about the missing comma before 'you'. Why, in the name of Odin's beard, should there be one there? Well, this is the vocative case rule and, in a Latin-based nutshell, this little grammar rule rascal states that if you are directly addressing someone within a sentence then you must separate them from the rest of the address by a comma. So, 'Jack is a flipper' requires no comma as we aren't addressing Jack directly. But 'What a flipper you are, Jack' does require one because we are talking directly to Jack. In this instance, the estimable Mr Powers is addressing his love or, as he calls her (or him), 'Love' (note the capital letter indicating a person and not simply 'love' itself. Anyway, even if he were addressing love as a general state of human consciousness, the rule would remain the same). So, because the mighty ESPO is talking directly to someone, the vocative comma rule applies and there should be a comma after 'you'. Mind you, (note the vocative comma I just put in there ) there are other mistakes within his sentence - as, after a Bank Holiday on the ale, I am sure there are many mistakes in my post - so I don't think we should be too picky. Laters, 'taters. HB. The idiom, "Can't see the wood for the trees", comes to mind. What you've failed to spot is the much larger mistake made by Steve Powers โ the fact he fรบcked up with his spacing. And (more extraordinarily, given the multiple editions) he fรบcked up repeatedly. On each occasion thus far, he's used paper that was too small for the screens. And on each occasion he decided to sell the prints anyway, either hoping nobody would notice, or conveniently relying upon the "Mistakes Cost Extra" part of that Icy Signs motto. I'm holding back and waiting until Powers finally gets it right and releases the proper print with its full text: Everything is Shit, Except you Love it, don't you, you Dirty Slut? |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by winston on Aug 26, 2014 7:12:13 GMT 1, Lol what a ruckus! Wish he would release a new you me print... Don't like the colour way left on his site
Lol what a ruckus! Wish he would release a new you me print... Don't like the colour way left on his site
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Someones Brain on Aug 26, 2014 9:18:59 GMT 1, For some strange reason I always read
Everything is s*#t
Except your love.
This whole discussion re: commata made me look again and now I can't convince myself to buy one of the orange versions (that I really like colorwise) from source even though I always wanted to get one of these prints for a reasonable price.
BTW, you can argue that a comma is missing before the word "love" (or not - I'd say it's missing if you're addressing a certain person). But what is also interesting (as far as I can judge it not beeing a native speaker) is a possible change of the meaning of the sentence when you put the comma after the word "except". Or is that the original/intended meaning (it depends on your state of mind = you love/you are in love = whether everything is s*#t) anyway and the comma is not needed then?
I'm confused ... 
For some strange reason I always read Everything is s*#t Except you r love. This whole discussion re: commata made me look again and now I can't convince myself to buy one of the orange versions (that I really like colorwise) from source even though I always wanted to get one of these prints for a reasonable price. BTW, you can argue that a comma is missing before the word "love" (or not - I'd say it's missing if you're addressing a certain person). But what is also interesting (as far as I can judge it not beeing a native speaker) is a possible change of the meaning of the sentence when you put the comma after the word "except". Or is that the original/intended meaning (it depends on your state of mind = you love/you are in love = whether everything is s*#t) anyway and the comma is not needed then? I'm confused ... |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Hubble Bubble on Aug 26, 2014 10:15:41 GMT 1, My brain is mushโฆ
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by elwheel on Dec 2, 2014 23:36:20 GMT 1, 
Winter's Eve and I'm always the last to leave. This is a 12"x12" screen print on 334 gram Coventry Rag. Its in a signed and numbered edition of 100. It is $150 plus shipping email us at espoprints@gmail.com with your mailing address and we'll send you a paypal invoice. MERCI
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Winter's Eve and I'm always the last to leave. This is a 12"x12" screen print on 334 gram Coventry Rag. Its in a signed and numbered edition of 100. It is $150 plus shipping email us at espoprints@gmail.com with your mailing address and we'll send you a paypal invoice. MERCI - S |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by elwheel on Dec 2, 2014 23:37:37 GMT 1, First one I've liked in a while
First one I've liked in a while
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Liverpool ste123 on Dec 2, 2014 23:38:14 GMT 1, That's a good'un! 
That's a good'un! |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by .dappy on Dec 3, 2014 1:54:54 GMT 1,
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by tartarus on Dec 3, 2014 2:09:51 GMT 1,
You keep this up and you'll be forced to change your avatar.
You keep this up and you'll be forced to change your avatar. |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by elwheel on Dec 13, 2014 14:47:39 GMT 1, Strange new one from ESPO
"This print is based on a painting Tim Agua Curtis painted in jail in western Pennsylvania. It is a hand pulled, 8 color screenprint on cheap rag paper. It is 18" x 24.5" and in an edition of 75. Each print comes with a signed sticker affixed to the verso and a certificate of authenticity. They are $100 plus shipping. Send us an email at espoprints@gmail.com and we'll send you a paypal invoice. Thank you!"
Strange new one from ESPO "This print is based on a painting Tim Agua Curtis painted in jail in western Pennsylvania. It is a hand pulled, 8 color screenprint on cheap rag paper. It is 18" x 24.5" and in an edition of 75. Each print comes with a signed sticker affixed to the verso and a certificate of authenticity. They are $100 plus shipping. Send us an email at espoprints@gmail.com and we'll send you a paypal invoice. Thank you!" |
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by elwheel on Dec 13, 2014 14:49:33 GMT 1, ESPOs letter to Tim Agua Curtis
Tim,
I feel like it's been months since I last wrote, it's bothering me like I'm walking around with cut hair under my collar after a haircut (it looks sharp). So here I am, scratching my neck and scratching out a letter to you.
Your girl and your daughter came past the shop a few weeks ago, all elegance and poise. Your girl has that arched eyebrow and your daughter has a perfect report card personality, together they form a wall twice as tall as the wall around you now. Once you climb out of jail you can try climbing back into their hearts. It helped to give them some money from the painting you soldโyou might of clipped one strand of barbed wire at the top of their defenses. So, PROGRESS.
I read an interview with Bernard Hopkins recently, everything he says is all saavy and cement, a real role model for you. He said the hardest part of his career was the 9 years he spent on parole. I know that's going to be your trouble and triumph too, having to succeed in spite of everybody expecting (encouraging and enticing) you to fail. And you have to do it by yourself. At least you got some grown-ass friends to advise you. Maybe you'll listen (maybe).
Anyway enough about you. As promised, here's flicks of what I'm working on. I started it in April when I painted "I owe you everything," and then i left it alone until 3 days ago, when I thought I better have something new to show you. It's about half done now, just like my life haha!
The best work I do takes me new places, so that wall I painted when I was 16 and this painting I painted yesterday at 46 conjure the same feeling of satisfaction and suprise: I painted it because I hoped I could, I thought I could and the hope and the thought led me to a new place. Now you know what's up, I'm getting lost in my head and selling tourist maps. The bullshit you've done has led you to the hole and the work you've done in the hole is going to lead you home. Key is in your hand, hold tight.
Anyway, I'm putting your print up for sale today, I'm sure it will do well. In the meantime, pump iron, read books! Holler!
S
ESPOs letter to Tim Agua Curtis
Tim,
I feel like it's been months since I last wrote, it's bothering me like I'm walking around with cut hair under my collar after a haircut (it looks sharp). So here I am, scratching my neck and scratching out a letter to you.
Your girl and your daughter came past the shop a few weeks ago, all elegance and poise. Your girl has that arched eyebrow and your daughter has a perfect report card personality, together they form a wall twice as tall as the wall around you now. Once you climb out of jail you can try climbing back into their hearts. It helped to give them some money from the painting you soldโyou might of clipped one strand of barbed wire at the top of their defenses. So, PROGRESS.
I read an interview with Bernard Hopkins recently, everything he says is all saavy and cement, a real role model for you. He said the hardest part of his career was the 9 years he spent on parole. I know that's going to be your trouble and triumph too, having to succeed in spite of everybody expecting (encouraging and enticing) you to fail. And you have to do it by yourself. At least you got some grown-ass friends to advise you. Maybe you'll listen (maybe).
Anyway enough about you. As promised, here's flicks of what I'm working on. I started it in April when I painted "I owe you everything," and then i left it alone until 3 days ago, when I thought I better have something new to show you. It's about half done now, just like my life haha!
The best work I do takes me new places, so that wall I painted when I was 16 and this painting I painted yesterday at 46 conjure the same feeling of satisfaction and suprise: I painted it because I hoped I could, I thought I could and the hope and the thought led me to a new place. Now you know what's up, I'm getting lost in my head and selling tourist maps. The bullshit you've done has led you to the hole and the work you've done in the hole is going to lead you home. Key is in your hand, hold tight.
Anyway, I'm putting your print up for sale today, I'm sure it will do well. In the meantime, pump iron, read books! Holler!
S
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Sweetcorn on Jan 16, 2015 15:41:23 GMT 1, 
Crisp, flat print but has 1cm scuff mark on boarder. this can be framed out using a mount. 
Open to offers best one gets it !
Crisp, flat print but has 1cm scuff mark on boarder. this can be framed out using a mount.
Open to offers best one gets it !
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Steve Powers ๐บ๐ธ ESPO โข New York Street Art โข New Release, by Sweetcorn on Jan 31, 2015 20:48:07 GMT 1, Grab a bargain tonight in time for valentines...ยฃ60
Grab a bargain tonight in time for valentines...ยฃ60
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) there are other mistakes within his sentence - as, after a Bank Holiday on the ale, I am sure there are many mistakes in my post - so I don't think we should be too picky.
