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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 16:52:24 GMT 1, "We will also add our VAT fees as applicable" These fees only apply to international buyers and not to those within the UK.
not sure on that Bidendum, shouldn't overseas transactions be VAT free and those within the UK attract VAT (on the 9.9% service fee that is which actually means the total is 11.6% or do you include VAT with your 9.9% service fee)
"We will also add our VAT fees as applicable" These fees only apply to international buyers and not to those within the UK. not sure on that Bidendum, shouldn't overseas transactions be VAT free and those within the UK attract VAT (on the 9.9% service fee that is which actually means the total is 11.6% or do you include VAT with your 9.9% service fee)
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 16:47:12 GMT 1, so i can be 'caveated' - if such a word exists ;D you just need to cave youself...latin innit -'take care' caveat emptor = buyer beware
nothing like a good caveating i find
so i can be 'caveated' - if such a word exists ;D you just need to cave youself...latin innit -'take care' caveat emptor = buyer beware nothing like a good caveating i find
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 16:41:18 GMT 1, to be fair the 'your trades' section of the forum doesnt offer a PC COA, and according to JBOY there are numberous fakes being peddled by members on here Agreed, but as stated above, anyone can get a PC COA for ยฃ50. As to fakes peddled, caveat emptor innit
indeed, i'm interested to know who JB reckons is selling fakes so i can be 'caveated' - if such a word exists
to be fair the 'your trades' section of the forum doesnt offer a PC COA, and according to JBOY there are numberous fakes being peddled by members on here Agreed, but as stated above, anyone can get a PC COA for ยฃ50. As to fakes peddled, caveat emptor innit indeed, i'm interested to know who JB reckons is selling fakes so i can be 'caveated' - if such a word exists
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 16:31:11 GMT 1, we are trying, through the use of this site, to enable a secure Banksy trading floor for you guys. ...while rinsing some cash out of you for providing not much that the 'your trades' section of this forum hasn't already provided for nothing
to be fair the 'your trades' section of the forum doesnt offer a PC COA, and according to JBOY there are numberous fakes being peddled by members on here
we are trying, through the use of this site, to enable a secure Banksy trading floor for you guys. ...while rinsing some cash out of you for providing not much that the 'your trades' section of this forum hasn't already provided for nothing to be fair the 'your trades' section of the forum doesnt offer a PC COA, and according to JBOY there are numberous fakes being peddled by members on here
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 16:23:15 GMT 1, "Are you saying that you have the support of P.O.W. and pest control in this venture?" Yes Pest Control will be authenticating all print which pass through our site. That's not quite the same thing.
that's implicit support, have they explicity approved your use of their service in generating your business
"Are you saying that you have the support of P.O.W. and pest control in this venture?" Yes Pest Control will be authenticating all print which pass through our site. That's not quite the same thing. that's implicit support, have they explicity approved your use of their service in generating your business
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 16:09:24 GMT 1, speaking of accusations...JBOY
all banksy prints need pest control now in my opinion as they are not trusted, there is even fakes floating around from members of this place from d*face which is also worrying Which members are selling fake D*face JBOY, perhaps you could advise us so we can avoid them
speaking of accusations...JBOY all banksy prints need pest control now in my opinion as they are not trusted, there is even fakes floating around from members of this place from d*face which is also worrying Which members are selling fake D*face JBOY, perhaps you could advise us so we can avoid them
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 16:03:08 GMT 1, 10% commission? So if I sell my print for ยฃ2000, your going to take ยฃ200? Mmmmmm...
or if i sell my original for 20k you're going to take 2k
mmmmm.... indeed.
It is quite a hefty mark up. Perhaps you should really have a sliding scale dependent on the value of the piece and a minimum charge for the service, just a suggestion
10% commission? So if I sell my print for ยฃ2000, your going to take ยฃ200? Mmmmmm... or if i sell my original for 20k you're going to take 2k mmmmm.... indeed. It is quite a hefty mark up. Perhaps you should really have a sliding scale dependent on the value of the piece and a minimum charge for the service, just a suggestion
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 15:22:48 GMT 1, the grumpy one
the grumpy one
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 13:00:41 GMT 1, very helpful bidendum, perhaps you should concisely list all the points raised, delete this thread and start a new one with an introduction to the service using the questions asked. That way it's nice an clear for everyone
very helpful bidendum, perhaps you should concisely list all the points raised, delete this thread and start a new one with an introduction to the service using the questions asked. That way it's nice an clear for everyone
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Banksy Release This Year?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:52:21 GMT 1, the ayes to the right have it.....so far
the ayes to the right have it.....so far
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:50:05 GMT 1, we will wait and see what happens dmandpenfold when/if the next banksy release takes place - i personally dont think it is going to be as easy going forwards as it used to be firstly to obtain a print and secondly to sell it on. While POW may not have it in their terms and conditions, what they do have is a database of all the prints, original owners and lets not forget, each print that is sold at auction or that has been sought authentication gets documented!!!
very CSI...
glad i still own all mine then, i wont be on the blacklist
we will wait and see what happens dmandpenfold when/if the next banksy release takes place - i personally dont think it is going to be as easy going forwards as it used to be firstly to obtain a print and secondly to sell it on. While POW may not have it in their terms and conditions, what they do have is a database of all the prints, original owners and lets not forget, each print that is sold at auction or that has been sought authentication gets documented!!! very CSI... glad i still own all mine then, i wont be on the blacklist
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Banksy Release This Year?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:46:05 GMT 1, did you meet the Russians with wads of cash
did you meet the Russians with wads of cash
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:45:18 GMT 1, i think that if you spend money with a gallery consistently you probably deserve some special treatment from them, it's like a loyalty bonus. Some places i get to preview others i don't but it usually goes on buying history.
Let's turn it around...you've spent plenty of money in the past on a particular artist with gallery x maybe to the tune of 10's or 100's of thousands.
Gallery x then anounces a show which is going to be quite popular and will release some originals, ltd editions etc.
You decide to go but there is a queue round the block full of spotty herberts who have never spent a dime at the gallery and then proceed to buy everything up so they can flog it on ebay
you'd probably be pissed off that you didnt get an option to buy up front for your loyal patronage of gallery x over the years
i think that if you spend money with a gallery consistently you probably deserve some special treatment from them, it's like a loyalty bonus. Some places i get to preview others i don't but it usually goes on buying history.
Let's turn it around...you've spent plenty of money in the past on a particular artist with gallery x maybe to the tune of 10's or 100's of thousands.
Gallery x then anounces a show which is going to be quite popular and will release some originals, ltd editions etc.
You decide to go but there is a queue round the block full of spotty herberts who have never spent a dime at the gallery and then proceed to buy everything up so they can flog it on ebay
you'd probably be pissed off that you didnt get an option to buy up front for your loyal patronage of gallery x over the years
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Banksy Release This Year?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:37:34 GMT 1, pish - bethlehem was perfectly safe, friendly locals, great hospitality, i felt safer there than i would have in NYC
or Glasgow on a Friday night for that matter graeme
pish - bethlehem was perfectly safe, friendly locals, great hospitality, i felt safer there than i would have in NYC or Glasgow on a Friday night for that matter graeme
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:32:40 GMT 1, ....POW actively also cancels peoples purchases if they are caught selling them on ebay or other sites.
yes agreed blatant flippers, but they dont go out of their way to punish buyers who sell on or swap at a much later date which the majority of people have probably done.
POW dont have a term in their condition of sales preventing genuine non flipper sales later between collectors and also dont expect buyers to offer their POW purchased prints back to POW first if they decide to sell later on, they seem happy enough for legitimate trading to continue.
....POW actively also cancels peoples purchases if they are caught selling them on ebay or other sites. yes agreed blatant flippers, but they dont go out of their way to punish buyers who sell on or swap at a much later date which the majority of people have probably done. POW dont have a term in their condition of sales preventing genuine non flipper sales later between collectors and also dont expect buyers to offer their POW purchased prints back to POW first if they decide to sell later on, they seem happy enough for legitimate trading to continue.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:26:28 GMT 1, all banksy prints need pest control now in my opinion as they are not trusted, there is even fakes floating around from members of this place from d*face which is also worrying
Which members are selling fake D*face JBOY, perhaps you could advise us so we can avoid them
all banksy prints need pest control now in my opinion as they are not trusted, there is even fakes floating around from members of this place from d*face which is also worrying Which members are selling fake D*face JBOY, perhaps you could advise us so we can avoid them
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Girl with a Star Wars AT-AT on a leesh, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 11:33:22 GMT 1, Why? ??!! Perhaps his next piece will be an image of some cavemen throwing spears at shopping trolleys? Now theres original!!!! Lol, i'd buy that for a dollar
only if it was hand finished
Why? ??!! Perhaps his next piece will be an image of some cavemen throwing spears at shopping trolleys? Now theres original!!!! Lol, i'd buy that for a dollar only if it was hand finished
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Vermin article in Art of England, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 11:30:59 GMT 1, i'd buy the piano off Mick Jagger
i'd buy the piano off Mick Jagger
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 11:27:37 GMT 1, why would Pest Control and POW endorse their site - why would they encourage people to sell their art?
hmm wouldnt that be the whole point of PC certs als, so that people can trade their art in confidence of its authenticity. If POW/LAZ/Banksy didnt want anything traded they'd be better off refusing to authenticate anything.
EDIT: snap! silky
why would Pest Control and POW endorse their site - why would they encourage people to sell their art? hmm wouldnt that be the whole point of PC certs als, so that people can trade their art in confidence of its authenticity. If POW/LAZ/Banksy didnt want anything traded they'd be better off refusing to authenticate anything. EDIT: snap! silky
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 11:25:34 GMT 1, sorry if we all come across as negative Bidendum, but we've heard and seen it all before and are naturally a suspicious / jaded lot; your site isnt very clear on some things and you maybe should have thought out the details you were going to present up front better. Can you get PC to present a statement to back you as legitimate, this would go a long way?
sorry if we all come across as negative Bidendum, but we've heard and seen it all before and are naturally a suspicious / jaded lot; your site isnt very clear on some things and you maybe should have thought out the details you were going to present up front better. Can you get PC to present a statement to back you as legitimate, this would go a long way?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 11:15:56 GMT 1, I dont like this;
5.1.1 TradeBanksy is providing this Site and its contents on an "as seen" basis and makes no representations or warranties of any kind, either express or implied, including, without limitation, warranties or conditions of title or implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, and non-infringement. Although TradeBanksy believes the content to be accurate, complete, and current, TradeBanksy does not represent or warrant that the information accessible on this Site is accurate, complete, or current. price and availability information is subject to change without notice"
seem a bit like all care and no responsibility.
or this;
The cost for delivery is ยฃ15.99 within the UK and ยฃ29.99 worldwide. If you are not at home for a pre-arranged delivery then we reserve the right to charge you a further ยฃ15.99 and ยฃ29.99 respectively to redeliver your order. The delivery charge is not included within the 9.9% commission of the sale.
so you have to take the day or half day off work, because as we all know delivery companies never specify a time. Suppose you could arrange delivery to work if convenient ie you dont have to carry the thing home in the rain
or this;
7.4.1 TradeBanksy does not accept Buyer refunds under any circumstances. Refunds will only be granted if a Seller does not complete a sale within 14 working days of the sale occurring
what about if the item is not in the condition it is described as, plus as mentioned there are the distance sellers regs to consider
Above all this is it true that the print is sent to Bidendum for authorisation; they authorise send it back to seller who then sends it to buyer, seems a bit of an unnecessary dance; why dont Bidendum simple take charge of the print from start to finish that way they can get PC cert and check it is in the condition described before sending it on??
So to clarify the costs are;
9.9% of purchase price is charged to seller for service, this includes costs for; - PC confirmation - use of the service - transactions made with the service
shipping is paid by the buyer and includes insurance
who pays shipping to Bidendum / PC and back to the seller or is this covered in the 9.9%
I like the idea of reducing the chance of fraud and ensuring all parties recieve their monies etc through third party service, it's much better than ebay for example, but the site isnt very clear about the costs and there seem to be a few get out clauses if a deal goes bad..
I dont like this;
5.1.1 TradeBanksy is providing this Site and its contents on an "as seen" basis and makes no representations or warranties of any kind, either express or implied, including, without limitation, warranties or conditions of title or implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, and non-infringement. Although TradeBanksy believes the content to be accurate, complete, and current, TradeBanksy does not represent or warrant that the information accessible on this Site is accurate, complete, or current. price and availability information is subject to change without notice"
seem a bit like all care and no responsibility.
or this;
The cost for delivery is ยฃ15.99 within the UK and ยฃ29.99 worldwide. If you are not at home for a pre-arranged delivery then we reserve the right to charge you a further ยฃ15.99 and ยฃ29.99 respectively to redeliver your order. The delivery charge is not included within the 9.9% commission of the sale.
so you have to take the day or half day off work, because as we all know delivery companies never specify a time. Suppose you could arrange delivery to work if convenient ie you dont have to carry the thing home in the rain
or this;
7.4.1 TradeBanksy does not accept Buyer refunds under any circumstances. Refunds will only be granted if a Seller does not complete a sale within 14 working days of the sale occurring
what about if the item is not in the condition it is described as, plus as mentioned there are the distance sellers regs to consider
Above all this is it true that the print is sent to Bidendum for authorisation; they authorise send it back to seller who then sends it to buyer, seems a bit of an unnecessary dance; why dont Bidendum simple take charge of the print from start to finish that way they can get PC cert and check it is in the condition described before sending it on??
So to clarify the costs are;
9.9% of purchase price is charged to seller for service, this includes costs for; - PC confirmation - use of the service - transactions made with the service
shipping is paid by the buyer and includes insurance
who pays shipping to Bidendum / PC and back to the seller or is this covered in the 9.9%
I like the idea of reducing the chance of fraud and ensuring all parties recieve their monies etc through third party service, it's much better than ebay for example, but the site isnt very clear about the costs and there seem to be a few get out clauses if a deal goes bad..
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Grand Total ยฃ8213.03 - Mercy Centre Foundation, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 10:47:50 GMT 1, some moron probably complained after they realised the stickers weren't really for sale
some moron probably complained after they realised the stickers weren't really for sale
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Visit LONDON ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ Street Art, Galleries, Events, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 0:03:14 GMT 1,
I've used these, good value if a few are sharing
I've used these, good value if a few are sharing
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Vermin article in Art of England, by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 17:08:53 GMT 1, "2. Posts that target Galleries or Artists in an attempt to damage sales and or reputation." Sorry, where are the artists or galleries? How are an artist's or gallery's sales going to be damaged by defamation of a dishonest and by its' very nature corrupted organization, who happens to have never offered anything remotely constructive to this forum?
HC, you clearly didnt read my post..or read half of it then jumped in guns blazing
Please tell me this rule 2 is something you just made up Manty, rule two is listed under the forum rules on the main page.
"2. Posts that target Galleries or Artists in an attempt to damage sales and or reputation." Sorry, where are the artists or galleries? How are an artist's or gallery's sales going to be damaged by defamation of a dishonest and by its' very nature corrupted organization, who happens to have never offered anything remotely constructive to this forum? HC, you clearly didnt read my post..or read half of it then jumped in guns blazing Please tell me this rule 2 is something you just made up Manty, rule two is listed under the forum rules on the main page.
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something new..., by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 16:23:49 GMT 1, okay sixty five of your Royal Britannic Pounds i'm bid
okay sixty five of your Royal Britannic Pounds i'm bid
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something new..., by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 16:19:39 GMT 1, it's a trick question, this one's free as you're giving it away;
do i win ;D
it's a trick question, this one's free as you're giving it away;
do i win ;D
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Vermin article in Art of England, by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 16:17:16 GMT 1, second rule of "Forum Rules - banned and disabled accounts"
2. Posts that target Galleries or Artists in an attempt to damage sales and or reputation.
Not that i support vermin, who aren't a gallery / artist but do appear to represent some galleries / auction houses, just wondered if our rules are biased toward stuff we dont like or is it fair game for all now
second rule of "Forum Rules - banned and disabled accounts"
2. Posts that target Galleries or Artists in an attempt to damage sales and or reputation.
Not that i support vermin, who aren't a gallery / artist but do appear to represent some galleries / auction houses, just wondered if our rules are biased toward stuff we dont like or is it fair game for all now
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Charity Art Auction GET YOUR BIDS IN NOW, by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 12:59:03 GMT 1, nice work Pez, look forward to the seeing the updates
nice work Pez, look forward to the seeing the updates
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Spamming problems ebay Blek 'Space Cowboy', by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 12:57:02 GMT 1, why dont you just sell it as a blek print, why bother with the somewhat obvious spamming, if i want to buy a blek i'll do a search for blek, if i want to buy an "Banksy,SPQR, Paul Insect" i'll do a search for them, being offered a blek instead aint going to get me interested, just annoyed.
why dont you just sell it as a blek print, why bother with the somewhat obvious spamming, if i want to buy a blek i'll do a search for blek, if i want to buy an "Banksy,SPQR, Paul Insect" i'll do a search for them, being offered a blek instead aint going to get me interested, just annoyed.
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Banksy Release This Year?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 12:50:18 GMT 1, yep my moneys on the ghetto too, maybe an image related to the ghetto, like last year.
yep my moneys on the ghetto too, maybe an image related to the ghetto, like last year.
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