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Rammellzee x Futura x Mr. Len, by twist65 on Jun 24, 2015 10:14:35 GMT 1, got mine yesterday - fantastic. Was always going to be happy with this, but the big fat tag across the front makes it even better for me, gonna look great framed up. Thanks again delloy for the early heads up =]
got mine yesterday - fantastic. Was always going to be happy with this, but the big fat tag across the front makes it even better for me, gonna look great framed up. Thanks again delloy for the early heads up =]
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by twist65 on Jun 24, 2015 10:09:53 GMT 1, This is one of the most authentic and transparent sales threads I have seen here. Congratulations dent. In the future make your sales whichever way you want, don't let others influence you. The price is good. Some people, maybe unwillingly and or unkowingly, are poisoning your heart, making you feel bad for suppossedly underselling at a lower and bargain price. Don't pay attention to those words. You got more than what you wanted, you made a return on investment, you kept your word, you were clear, transparent and gracious. You did good. Don't change. Congratulations! I think you misunderstood me lucky7, I have no intention "to make dent feel bad and poisoning his heart" !!! I told him weldone if he's happy with the price he got, good for him. My point is NOT about the price achieved (I have no clue / interest on Chevrier prices) but purely to highlight the fact that he's been played by a MUCH more experienced forumite than him and coming from a Forum Guardian this is just intolerable in my books (sorry if I'm the only one feeling that way, but had to say it) My advice (not to end up an auction in the middle of a weekday morning with nobody around) still stands by the way, maybe not for dent (as he doesn't seem to care) but for other newbies here who we now know can easily be gamed by a Forum Guardian (!!!). Weldone Fะฏ, looks like your fan club is very pleased for you, rightly so ;-) I give you that : it was a genius trick of yours ... the fact that the newbie is applauding you for playing him must just be the cherry on the top ;-( I couldn't agree more with shootagain. This is an absolute new low with the forum and makes a complete mockery of the "forum guardian" system. To manipulate a sale by a new member for your own personal gain is bad enough, for a Forum Guardian to do so is unforgiveable and this is EXACTLY why there were some many members opposed to FR being made one in the first place.
Personally I was happy to give him a chance, but its clear from this episode that FR cannot be trusted as a forum guardian. I would also welcome other forum guardians opinion on this, as plenty have read or liked or commented on this thread but remarkably quiet on the subject. Its turning into a bit of a boys club. Guardians should be here to stop trolling and help new members, not publicly rip them off.
Dent - welcome, good to see a new member with admirable ethics. To answer your question, it is perfectly acceptable to accept highest bids via PM for a valuable original or print. In fact its the norm, especially for high ticket items where potential buyers appreciate a bit of discretion. I did the same for a friends Barcode not long ago, no complaints, sold to a happy forum member in 2 days at a fair price. I have NEVER seen a sale carried out like yours before, except low value charity sale threads. Fair play to you if you're happy, but if I had been played like that I would void the sale and get a fair price for your piece somewhere else.
This is one of the most authentic and transparent sales threads I have seen here. Congratulations dent. In the future make your sales whichever way you want, don't let others influence you. The price is good. Some people, maybe unwillingly and or unkowingly, are poisoning your heart, making you feel bad for suppossedly underselling at a lower and bargain price. Don't pay attention to those words. You got more than what you wanted, you made a return on investment, you kept your word, you were clear, transparent and gracious. You did good. Don't change. Congratulations! I think you misunderstood me lucky7, I have no intention "to make dent feel bad and poisoning his heart" !!! I told him weldone if he's happy with the price he got, good for him. My point is NOT about the price achieved (I have no clue / interest on Chevrier prices) but purely to highlight the fact that he's been played by a MUCH more experienced forumite than him and coming from a Forum Guardian this is just intolerable in my books (sorry if I'm the only one feeling that way, but had to say it) My advice (not to end up an auction in the middle of a weekday morning with nobody around) still stands by the way, maybe not for dent (as he doesn't seem to care) but for other newbies here who we now know can easily be gamed by a Forum Guardian (!!!). Weldone Fะฏ, looks like your fan club is very pleased for you, rightly so ;-) I give you that : it was a genius trick of yours ... the fact that the newbie is applauding you for playing him must just be the cherry on the top ;-( I couldn't agree more with shootagain. This is an absolute new low with the forum and makes a complete mockery of the "forum guardian" system. To manipulate a sale by a new member for your own personal gain is bad enough, for a Forum Guardian to do so is unforgiveable and this is EXACTLY why there were some many members opposed to FR being made one in the first place. Personally I was happy to give him a chance, but its clear from this episode that FR cannot be trusted as a forum guardian. I would also welcome other forum guardians opinion on this, as plenty have read or liked or commented on this thread but remarkably quiet on the subject. Its turning into a bit of a boys club. Guardians should be here to stop trolling and help new members, not publicly rip them off. Dent - welcome, good to see a new member with admirable ethics. To answer your question, it is perfectly acceptable to accept highest bids via PM for a valuable original or print. In fact its the norm, especially for high ticket items where potential buyers appreciate a bit of discretion. I did the same for a friends Barcode not long ago, no complaints, sold to a happy forum member in 2 days at a fair price. I have NEVER seen a sale carried out like yours before, except low value charity sale threads. Fair play to you if you're happy, but if I had been played like that I would void the sale and get a fair price for your piece somewhere else.
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Visit BERLIN ๐ฉ๐ช Germany Street Art, Galleries, Events , by twist65 on Jun 23, 2015 18:03:23 GMT 1, as luck would have it, I'm on a stag do in Berlin while the stolenspace show is on at Urban Nation. Only half or so of our group will be bothered about it though, so can anyone recommend any good bars and/or eateries near to Bulowstrasse?
as luck would have it, I'm on a stag do in Berlin while the stolenspace show is on at Urban Nation. Only half or so of our group will be bothered about it though, so can anyone recommend any good bars and/or eateries near to Bulowstrasse?
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Bast / Paul Insect / Rostarr - Cocurata 'Extraction' Launch, by twist65 on Jun 22, 2015 13:26:17 GMT 1, Agree that Bast scarf would look epic framed up..
Agree that Bast scarf would look epic framed up..
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Bast / Paul Insect / Rostarr - Cocurata 'Extraction' Launch, by twist65 on Jun 22, 2015 12:40:18 GMT 1,
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Bast / Paul Insect / Rostarr - Cocurata 'Extraction' Launch, by twist65 on Jun 22, 2015 12:39:01 GMT 1,
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Bast / Paul Insect / Rostarr - Cocurata 'Extraction' Launch, by twist65 on Jun 22, 2015 12:37:55 GMT 1,
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Bast / Paul Insect / Rostarr - Cocurata 'Extraction' Launch, by twist65 on Jun 22, 2015 12:35:54 GMT 1, Bast, Paul Insect and Rostarr collections now available to buy online here -
www.cocurata.com/shop-online/
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Fake ๐ณ๐ฑ Amsterdam Street Art โข Manuel Seikritt, by twist65 on Jun 22, 2015 9:27:20 GMT 1, Very generous offer and my lad would love this, so count me in please! =]
Very generous offer and my lad would love this, so count me in please! =]
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NEW MOSS BRAINWASH MOUSTACHE PRINT THING, by twist65 on Jun 18, 2015 23:08:58 GMT 1, ... a few people have asked me what I am talking about Manifold Editions have some nice new prints of this, nice quote from Marc Quinn too - 'This is not a portrait of a person, it's a portrait of an image twisted by our collective desires'
... a few people have asked me what I am talking about Manifold Editions have some nice new prints of this, nice quote from Marc Quinn too - 'This is not a portrait of a person, it's a portrait of an image twisted by our collective desires'
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Rammellzee x Futura x Mr. Len, by twist65 on Jun 16, 2015 22:36:31 GMT 1, yup its the one right across the middle. can't wait for this to land..
yup its the one right across the middle. can't wait for this to land..
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New Invader Print available, by twist65 on Jun 16, 2015 9:53:32 GMT 1, Wasn't that one a larger edition size though? Big print, and only 100, if you can get past the fact that its a truly terrible image then its not an unreasonable price.. Still available btw.
Wasn't that one a larger edition size though? Big print, and only 100, if you can get past the fact that its a truly terrible image then its not an unreasonable price.. Still available btw.
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Eelus โข Where They'll Never Find Us, by twist65 on Jun 15, 2015 12:53:16 GMT 1, yeah, back doors through the front door!
yeah, back doors through the front door!
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Art Car Boot Fair, by twist65 on Jun 15, 2015 10:58:14 GMT 1, think they're a total bargain those Nick Walkers, even better than the Boca 45 vinyls from a month or so back.
think they're a total bargain those Nick Walkers, even better than the Boca 45 vinyls from a month or so back.
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VNA 30 - Futura Limited Edition, by twist65 on Jun 12, 2015 16:17:50 GMT 1, great - bagged one - thanks happyshopper!
Thats 2 bits of Futura goodness hopefully landing next week =]
great - bagged one - thanks happyshopper! Thats 2 bits of Futura goodness hopefully landing next week =]
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Eelus โข Where They'll Never Find Us, by twist65 on Jun 12, 2015 16:12:15 GMT 1, have to say I like this one, thought the series was going to get progressively worse like Indiana Jones films.. Second one by far the weakest for me. Still cuts a good stencil does Eelus.
have to say I like this one, thought the series was going to get progressively worse like Indiana Jones films.. Second one by far the weakest for me. Still cuts a good stencil does Eelus.
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Prefab77 ๐ฌ๐ง Street Art โข New Print Release, by twist65 on Jun 12, 2015 14:11:47 GMT 1, first London show not solo show =]
first London show not solo show =]
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Seth Globepainter ๐จ๐ต Julien Malland โข Paris Street Art, by twist65 on Jun 9, 2015 12:46:32 GMT 1, wouldn't have been my image choice either, agree with Dreadnattys picks, but thats cheaper than I was expecting and yeah very wall-friendly, good to see Seth doing prints too. His canvases are mahoosive, seems he doesn't do small in any medium!
wouldn't have been my image choice either, agree with Dreadnattys picks, but thats cheaper than I was expecting and yeah very wall-friendly, good to see Seth doing prints too. His canvases are mahoosive, seems he doesn't do small in any medium!
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Maya Hayuk ๐บ๐ธ Street Art โข New Release โข Art For Sale , by twist65 on Jun 4, 2015 14:16:02 GMT 1, I've kept out of this one, but there seems to be a consensus that if this print doesn't sell out immediately then its a total failure and overpriced, and I don't agree. Not everyone has to price things the way POW do. It seems that most Print Them All prints are more expensive than other editions by the same artist, because of where they are printed/the press used etc. Social Animals currently have 11 JR prints still available, some 4 or 5 years old, classic images, that have been printed at the same place and priced the same way - and I wouldn't call JR a failure, it's just a different way of doing print releases. They will all sell over time, and those that buy them can make a more considered purchase and hang it on their wall, rather than flip-fest bun-fight and off-load a month down the line if the missus doesn't like it..
I suppose it depends how much value you place in the whole Picasso's old Marinoni press thing. And also with Maya Hayuk this print was kind of the result of a residency, not just "bang us over the image via the internet and we'll print some up.." There are costs associated with that too, and if you buy into the kudos and quality of IDEM prints then it surely makes it a more appealing proposition than a "normal" screen print. Personally I thought MH's work was much more suited to screen printing, and I love the POW prints, but from the images i've seen online the print quality does look fantastic. The image isn't for me, I would prefer to hang a smaller POW screenprint on my wall, but comparing the price to past screen prints by different printers/publishers isn't comparing apples with apples, and in general i'd be happy to pay some sort of premium for a print produced in this way by an artist I loved.
I've kept out of this one, but there seems to be a consensus that if this print doesn't sell out immediately then its a total failure and overpriced, and I don't agree. Not everyone has to price things the way POW do. It seems that most Print Them All prints are more expensive than other editions by the same artist, because of where they are printed/the press used etc. Social Animals currently have 11 JR prints still available, some 4 or 5 years old, classic images, that have been printed at the same place and priced the same way - and I wouldn't call JR a failure, it's just a different way of doing print releases. They will all sell over time, and those that buy them can make a more considered purchase and hang it on their wall, rather than flip-fest bun-fight and off-load a month down the line if the missus doesn't like it..
I suppose it depends how much value you place in the whole Picasso's old Marinoni press thing. And also with Maya Hayuk this print was kind of the result of a residency, not just "bang us over the image via the internet and we'll print some up.." There are costs associated with that too, and if you buy into the kudos and quality of IDEM prints then it surely makes it a more appealing proposition than a "normal" screen print. Personally I thought MH's work was much more suited to screen printing, and I love the POW prints, but from the images i've seen online the print quality does look fantastic. The image isn't for me, I would prefer to hang a smaller POW screenprint on my wall, but comparing the price to past screen prints by different printers/publishers isn't comparing apples with apples, and in general i'd be happy to pay some sort of premium for a print produced in this way by an artist I loved.
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art gift, by twist65 on Jun 3, 2015 17:29:57 GMT 1, Mr Bingo would be my shout =]
Mr Bingo would be my shout =]
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New POSE HPM from LSC, by twist65 on Jun 3, 2015 15:21:47 GMT 1, they look insanely nice, congrats all who picked one up =]
they look insanely nice, congrats all who picked one up =]
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VNA 30 - Futura Limited Edition, by twist65 on Jun 2, 2015 16:25:43 GMT 1, awww man that looks the nuts, top marks! =]
awww man that looks the nuts, top marks! =]
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Logan Hicks ๐บ๐ธ Stencil Artist โข Photographer โข Street Art, by twist65 on Jun 2, 2015 9:42:21 GMT 1, He's a really funny and approachable person, looks are deceptive. He used to hand cut all his stencils, its only really the last few years that he's started to get them laser cut. Some of his early big landscapes are incredible, amazing detail and effort.
He's a really funny and approachable person, looks are deceptive. He used to hand cut all his stencils, its only really the last few years that he's started to get them laser cut. Some of his early big landscapes are incredible, amazing detail and effort.
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Richard Prince ๐บ๐ธ Painter & Photographer โข Art For Sale, by twist65 on May 29, 2015 16:21:28 GMT 1, Ha yes well i'd hate to be thought of as a third rate Richard Prince!
I get what you're saying, and I do see artistic merit to the concept I just don't think these examples hit the spot. I don't know enough about RP to know if these are his best images exploring this theme or just pretty bad examples which (in my opinion) he is rightly getting some flak for, certainly in the case of the Suicide Girls image. There are millions of images out there and surely cleverer ways to explore this.
And whilst it does promote thought and debate around the subject, I just think on the whole artists should be on the side of protecting their and their peers intellectual copyright. Just as RP should get paid for the works he sells, so should the artists he borrows from. I just can't buy the argument that recontexualising the setting of an image makes it something totally different entirely. At the very least it should be a collaborative piece, or the original image maker credited in the way that Shepard Fairey has to with the photographers he borrows from these days..
Ha yes well i'd hate to be thought of as a third rate Richard Prince!
I get what you're saying, and I do see artistic merit to the concept I just don't think these examples hit the spot. I don't know enough about RP to know if these are his best images exploring this theme or just pretty bad examples which (in my opinion) he is rightly getting some flak for, certainly in the case of the Suicide Girls image. There are millions of images out there and surely cleverer ways to explore this.
And whilst it does promote thought and debate around the subject, I just think on the whole artists should be on the side of protecting their and their peers intellectual copyright. Just as RP should get paid for the works he sells, so should the artists he borrows from. I just can't buy the argument that recontexualising the setting of an image makes it something totally different entirely. At the very least it should be a collaborative piece, or the original image maker credited in the way that Shepard Fairey has to with the photographers he borrows from these days..
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Richard Prince ๐บ๐ธ Painter & Photographer โข Art For Sale, by twist65 on May 29, 2015 15:09:42 GMT 1, Nice rationale for a weak and lazy idea. You can rationalise anything if you try hard enough. I don't see how the artists intention or the setting the work is shown in can get round the fact that it is stealing someone elses work. As others have said, the Suicide Girls image was a studio shot, not a quick selfie, so it completely misses the mark in terms of a commentary on selfie culture / social media etc. It is also totally plausible that the original photographer has already displayed this work on a larger scale in a gallery context so I don't see what Richard Prince is contributing.
Banksy images are all over social media, surrounded in dumb chatter, misappropriation and whatever else. Is it now ok for me to reproduce an Instagrammed Banksy image onto a large canvas, display in a gallery to create a different viewer experience, and charge fortunes for it, citing myself as the artist?
Nice rationale for a weak and lazy idea. You can rationalise anything if you try hard enough. I don't see how the artists intention or the setting the work is shown in can get round the fact that it is stealing someone elses work. As others have said, the Suicide Girls image was a studio shot, not a quick selfie, so it completely misses the mark in terms of a commentary on selfie culture / social media etc. It is also totally plausible that the original photographer has already displayed this work on a larger scale in a gallery context so I don't see what Richard Prince is contributing.
Banksy images are all over social media, surrounded in dumb chatter, misappropriation and whatever else. Is it now ok for me to reproduce an Instagrammed Banksy image onto a large canvas, display in a gallery to create a different viewer experience, and charge fortunes for it, citing myself as the artist?
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KATE MOSS SUMMER SPECIAL, by twist65 on May 29, 2015 13:17:48 GMT 1, hackenbush I don't have the exact details but comments from other forum members are correct - this image has been released at different sizes and editions countless times. This particular edition is /50, so there may well only be 50 of these particular ones, but you will be able to find other editions of the exact same image, perhaps at a different physical size / edition size / reproduction method. And there will no doubt be more to come the next time it's Kates birthday or something like that... Don't buy one thinking that there will only be 49 other people out there with a print of this image...
hackenbush I don't have the exact details but comments from other forum members are correct - this image has been released at different sizes and editions countless times. This particular edition is /50, so there may well only be 50 of these particular ones, but you will be able to find other editions of the exact same image, perhaps at a different physical size / edition size / reproduction method. And there will no doubt be more to come the next time it's Kates birthday or something like that... Don't buy one thinking that there will only be 49 other people out there with a print of this image...
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BAST Artwork, VALUATION, by twist65 on May 29, 2015 12:38:04 GMT 1, I would say a bit higher than that, reckon you'll do well to get one under ยฃ2,500, but they come up so scarcely its hard to guage really. I was looking for a Bast stencil canvas a year ago and there was one gallery with a Finster that they wanted very silly money for. They still have it.
Cracking image though, good luck getting one. =]
I would say a bit higher than that, reckon you'll do well to get one under ยฃ2,500, but they come up so scarcely its hard to guage really. I was looking for a Bast stencil canvas a year ago and there was one gallery with a Finster that they wanted very silly money for. They still have it.
Cracking image though, good luck getting one. =]
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PREFAB77 BEHIND THE SCENES VIDEO & GIVEAWAY, by twist65 on May 28, 2015 18:47:01 GMT 1, good stuff as always, count me in! =]
good stuff as always, count me in! =]
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Parra - Give Up print, by twist65 on May 28, 2015 16:40:46 GMT 1, ha, lots of love for Parra here.
Risographs aren't amazing quality to be honest. I don't know what type of machine these were done on, but in my experience (of a 20 year old machine) they are nowhere near screenprint quality. You probably won't get nice rich solid colours on there, and you can't get really thick paper through them so can't imagine these being on a par with his previous editions quality-wise. Kind of a posh paste-up. They are fun though and for 75 euros can't grumble.
ha, lots of love for Parra here.
Risographs aren't amazing quality to be honest. I don't know what type of machine these were done on, but in my experience (of a 20 year old machine) they are nowhere near screenprint quality. You probably won't get nice rich solid colours on there, and you can't get really thick paper through them so can't imagine these being on a par with his previous editions quality-wise. Kind of a posh paste-up. They are fun though and for 75 euros can't grumble.
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VNA 30 - Futura Limited Edition, by twist65 on May 28, 2015 11:16:48 GMT 1, I gotta get one of these... Will be entering the comps etc but in the vain hope anyone attending the event next Thurs ends up with a spare... =]
I gotta get one of these... Will be entering the comps etc but in the vain hope anyone attending the event next Thurs ends up with a spare... =]
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