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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 2, 2020 21:00:00 GMT 1, Siouxsie And The Banshees - Dear Prudence (1983)- uploaded by SiouxsieBansheesVEVOMadonna - Like A Virgin (1984)- uploaded by MadonnaFiona Apple - Across the Universe (1998)- uploaded by Steve Mack [Best quality found, albeit with a minute of blank video at the end.]Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Catch You (2006)- uploaded by Sophie Ellis-BextorThe Breeders, with Tanya Donnelly - Happiness Is A Warm Gun (Live in Boston, 18 December 2013; from the Pod album released in 1990)- uploaded by Jeff McRae [Sound quality is rough at first, but improves later.]________________ At around 21:00 UK time on Wednesday 2 September, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member * to answer correctly, wins.
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Time for a Venn diagram. Circle A is song-related in its thematic coverage, while Circle B is video-related.
1. Draft clear, suitably-descriptive titles for both A and B.
2. For each of the above five songs/videos, state whether it fits into:
(i) A; (ii) B; or (iii) the intersection of A and B.
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In the unlikely event that nobody responds correctly beforehand, the answers will be posted in 24 hours — at around 21:00 UK time on Thursday 3 September.
Siouxsie And The Banshees - Dear Prudence (1983)- uploaded by SiouxsieBansheesVEVOMadonna - Like A Virgin (1984)- uploaded by MadonnaFiona Apple - Across the Universe (1998)- uploaded by Steve Mack [Best quality found, albeit with a minute of blank video at the end.]Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Catch You (2006)- uploaded by Sophie Ellis-BextorThe Breeders, with Tanya Donnelly - Happiness Is A Warm Gun (Live in Boston, 18 December 2013; from the Pod album released in 1990)- uploaded by Jeff McRae [Sound quality is rough at first, but improves later.]________________ At around 21:00 UK time on Wednesday 2 September, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member * to answer correctly, wins. ![](https://i.imgur.com/M2wf6HJ.png) Time for a Venn diagram. Circle A is song-related in its thematic coverage, while Circle B is video-related. 1. Draft clear, suitably-descriptive titles for both A and B. 2. For each of the above five songs/videos, state whether it fits into: (i) A; (ii) B; or (iii) the intersection of A and B. ________________ In the unlikely event that nobody responds correctly beforehand, the answers will be posted in 24 hours — at around 21:00 UK time on Thursday 3 September.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 2, 2020 20:38:29 GMT 1, Slight curveball focusing on Part A: The source image for the Morons print editions and large canvas by Ban ksy is a well-known photograph depicting a key moment in auction history. That image was also used at one point during the early 2000s in a magazine advertising campaign for a car (where Ban ksy apparently first came across it). 1. Post a copy of the source photo. 2. Briefly describe the event depicted in the image, including the relevant venue, date, and the significance of the event. 3. More difficult bit: To encourage some members to broaden their art horizons, identify the title and artist of at least one of the paintings hanging on the wall behind the auctioneer. [There are four paintings to choose from in the source photo.]________________ In case nobody correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 20:00 UK time on Sunday 6 September. 1. Figured everyone was gonna get this reference image from the forum haha ![](https://i.ibb.co/rGQ4JN9/van-goghs-sunflowers-auctioned-at-christies-in-1987.jpg) 2.The picture of ‘Morons’ is depicting the historical moment when Van Gogh’s Sunflowers sold for a hammer price of 22,500,000 euros at Christies on March 30 1987. This set the new record for price of any work of art at an auction. 3. One of the artworks behind the auctioneer is Le Fete, Modern Expressionist Oil on Canvas by Mane Katz (1957) - 2nd to the left
@afreefilms - See my reply to Dive Jedi above.
Since there was an unfortunately confusing cross-posting while I was drafting, I'll give you another attempt to identify one of the remaining three paintings and its artist.
Slight curveball focusing on Part A: The source image for the Morons print editions and large canvas by Ban ksy is a well-known photograph depicting a key moment in auction history. That image was also used at one point during the early 2000s in a magazine advertising campaign for a car (where Ban ksy apparently first came across it). 1. Post a copy of the source photo. 2. Briefly describe the event depicted in the image, including the relevant venue, date, and the significance of the event. 3. More difficult bit: To encourage some members to broaden their art horizons, identify the title and artist of at least one of the paintings hanging on the wall behind the auctioneer. [There are four paintings to choose from in the source photo.]________________ In case nobody correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 20:00 UK time on Sunday 6 September. 1. Figured everyone was gonna get this reference image from the forum haha ![](https://i.ibb.co/rGQ4JN9/van-goghs-sunflowers-auctioned-at-christies-in-1987.jpg) 2.The picture of ‘Morons’ is depicting the historical moment when Van Gogh’s Sunflowers sold for a hammer price of 22,500,000 euros at Christies on March 30 1987. This set the new record for price of any work of art at an auction. 3. One of the artworks behind the auctioneer is Le Fete, Modern Expressionist Oil on Canvas by Mane Katz (1957) - 2nd to the left @afreefilms - See my reply to Dive Jedi above. Since there was an unfortunately confusing cross-posting while I was drafting, I'll give you another attempt to identify one of the remaining three paintings and its artist.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 2, 2020 20:32:44 GMT 1, Good effort, but correct responses are required to all questions. I wish you best with future competitions, including the one this evening at 21:00 UK time. Mane Katz Le Fete, Modern Expressionist Oil on Canvas 1957 €342,763.66
At the risk of coming across as overly harsh, I'm afraid each member only gets one shot per competition to answer correctly, pursuant to Clause 2.1* of the rules.
[Kudos, however, for the correct answer.]
This competition remains open, with the Mané-Katz painting excluded from the possible answers. Other participants now have a choice of the three remaining paintings for their own answers.
Good effort, but correct responses are required to all questions. I wish you best with future competitions, including the one this evening at 21:00 UK time. Mane Katz Le Fete, Modern Expressionist Oil on Canvas 1957 €342,763.66 At the risk of coming across as overly harsh, I'm afraid each member only gets one shot per competition to answer correctly, pursuant to Clause 2.1 * of the rules. [Kudos, however, for the correct answer.]This competition remains open, with the Mané-Katz painting excluded from the possible answers. Other participants now have a choice of the three remaining paintings for their own answers.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 2, 2020 20:13:32 GMT 1, Slight curveball focusing on Part A: The source image for the Morons print editions and large canvas by Ban ksy is a well-known photograph depicting a key moment in auction history. That image was also used at one point during the early 2000s in a magazine advertising campaign for a car (where Ban ksy apparently first came across it). 1. Post a copy of the source photo. 2. Briefly describe the event depicted in the image, including the relevant venue, date, and the significance of the event. 3. More difficult bit: To encourage some members to broaden their art horizons, identify the title and artist of at least one of the paintings hanging on the wall behind the auctioneer. [There are four paintings to choose from in the source photo.]________________ In case nobody correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 20:00 UK time on Sunday 6 September. Van Gogh’s Still Life: Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers goes to auction at Christie’s on 30 March 1987. The painting sold for £22,500,000, the record price for any artwork at the time of the sale ![](https://i.ibb.co/Tmg3jG9/Morons-og.jpg)
Good effort, but correct responses are required to all questions.
I wish you best with future competitions, including the one this evening at 21:00 UK time.
Slight curveball focusing on Part A: The source image for the Morons print editions and large canvas by Ban ksy is a well-known photograph depicting a key moment in auction history. That image was also used at one point during the early 2000s in a magazine advertising campaign for a car (where Ban ksy apparently first came across it). 1. Post a copy of the source photo. 2. Briefly describe the event depicted in the image, including the relevant venue, date, and the significance of the event. 3. More difficult bit: To encourage some members to broaden their art horizons, identify the title and artist of at least one of the paintings hanging on the wall behind the auctioneer. [There are four paintings to choose from in the source photo.]________________ In case nobody correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 20:00 UK time on Sunday 6 September. Van Gogh’s Still Life: Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers goes to auction at Christie’s on 30 March 1987. The painting sold for £22,500,000, the record price for any artwork at the time of the sale ![](https://i.ibb.co/Tmg3jG9/Morons-og.jpg) Good effort, but correct responses are required to all questions. I wish you best with future competitions, including the one this evening at 21:00 UK time.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 2, 2020 20:00:00 GMT 1, A. B. C.![](https://i.imgur.com/2uxAcrP.png) D.![](https://i.imgur.com/x7toNpL.png) ![](https://i.imgur.com/h1TbWJC.png) E.Margin Call (2011) - Senior Partners Emergency Meeting [HD 1080p] [9:48]- uploaded by ExtractorSam Rogers: And you're selling something that you know has no value.
John Tuld: We are selling to willing buyers at the current fair market price...________________ At around 20:00 UK time on Wednesday 2 September, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member * to answer correctly, wins.
Slight curveball focusing on Part A:
The source image for the Morons print editions and large canvas by Banksy is a well-known photograph depicting a key moment in auction history. That image was also used at one point during the early 2000s in a magazine advertising campaign for a car (where Banksy apparently first came across it).
1. Post a copy of the source photo.
2. Briefly describe the event depicted in the image, including the relevant venue, date, and the significance of the event.
3. More difficult bit: To encourage some members to broaden their art horizons, identify the title and artist of at least one of the paintings hanging on the wall behind the auctioneer. [There are four paintings to choose from in the source photo.]
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A. B. C.![](https://i.imgur.com/2uxAcrP.png) D.![](https://i.imgur.com/x7toNpL.png) ![](https://i.imgur.com/h1TbWJC.png) E.Margin Call (2011) - Senior Partners Emergency Meeting [HD 1080p] [9:48]- uploaded by ExtractorSam Rogers: And you're selling something that you know has no value.
John Tuld: We are selling to willing buyers at the current fair market price...________________ At around 20:00 UK time on Wednesday 2 September, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member * to answer correctly, wins. Slight curveball focusing on Part A: The source image for the Morons print editions and large canvas by Ban ksy is a well-known photograph depicting a key moment in auction history. That image was also used at one point during the early 2000s in a magazine advertising campaign for a car (where Ban ksy apparently first came across it). 1. Post a copy of the source photo. 2. Briefly describe the event depicted in the image, including the relevant venue, date, and the significance of the event. 3. More difficult bit: To encourage some members to broaden their art horizons, identify the title and artist of at least one of the paintings hanging on the wall behind the auctioneer. [There are four paintings to choose from in the source photo.]________________ In case nobody correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 20:00 UK time on Sunday 6 September.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Sept 1, 2020 21:49:12 GMT 1, Hello, Based on this topic: urbanartassociation.com/thread/160154/fake-tenners-on-ebayDo you consider that this is authentic? Circles don't look the same, what do you think? I bought it but the seller didn't ship yet, I asked for a HD picture first. I really think it's fake. 99.9% sure. ![](https://i.imgur.com/VXE6oUf.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/D3pAy85.jpg) Thank you so much! Well, I wrote to the guy and told him it was fake, and asked for a refund. Thanks anyways, but the more I look at it, the more I'm convinced, so... Like that we have another fake one to compare at least.
Corroborating avec art's view, this is indeed a counterfeit.
The rosette patterns lack the subtlety and detail of a genuine Banksy Di-Faced Tenner.
Moreover, the rosettes in the fake are far too small:
By way of illustration, look at the sclera of the eye in your second image, to the immediate left of the iris. Now measure its maximum height in rosettes, from the upper lid to the lower lid. In your fake, the distance is around seven rosettes. With an authentic tenner, that same distance is covered by about four rosettes.
For additional reference, here are a couple of other thread pages with high-res imagery:
urbanartassociation.com/thread/156016/banksy-difaced-tenners-british-museum?page=3
urbanartassociation.com/thread/165058/banksy-di-faced-10-notes
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jrausis — To better ensure that other forum members are not duped by the same seller (who is either a fraudster or was unknowingly trying to sell you a counterfeit), please could you identify that person, e.g. by their:
- real name; - gallery name; - username on the relevant platform (whether that's eBay or elsewhere); - website; and/or - PayPal address.
Many thanks.
Hello, Based on this topic: urbanartassociation.com/thread/160154/fake-tenners-on-ebayDo you consider that this is authentic? Circles don't look the same, what do you think? I bought it but the seller didn't ship yet, I asked for a HD picture first. I really think it's fake. 99.9% sure. ![](https://i.imgur.com/VXE6oUf.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/D3pAy85.jpg) Thank you so much! Well, I wrote to the guy and told him it was fake, and asked for a refund. Thanks anyways, but the more I look at it, the more I'm convinced, so... Like that we have another fake one to compare at least. Corroborating avec art's view, this is indeed a counterfeit. The rosette patterns lack the subtlety and detail of a genuine Ban ksy Di-Faced Tenner. Moreover, the rosettes in the fake are far too small: By way of illustration, look at the sclera of the eye in your second image, to the immediate left of the iris. Now measure its maximum height in rosettes, from the upper lid to the lower lid. In your fake, the distance is around seven rosettes. With an authentic tenner, that same distance is covered by about four rosettes. For additional reference, here are a couple of other thread pages with high-res imagery: urbanartassociation.com/thread/156016/banksy-difaced-tenners-british-museum?page=3urbanartassociation.com/thread/165058/banksy-di-faced-10-notes__________ jrausis — To better ensure that other forum members are not duped by the same seller (who is either a fraudster or was unknowingly trying to sell you a counterfeit), please could you identify that person, e.g. by their: - real name; - gallery name; - username on the relevant platform (whether that's eB ay or elsewhere); - website; and/or - PayPal address. Many thanks.
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Stik Korean order, by met on Sept 1, 2020 18:17:41 GMT 1, All that talk about legal action and reciting parts from 'Lawyers monthly' and it came to nothing ? Someone has been seen off here, which member ? Are you in the real world here. Due to covid I have a telephone interview on Thursday. Then will find out how to proceed. Currently locating Irl1 address after I found out his real name. Your lawyer will tell you that the best way to proceed is to stop issuing unactionable legal threats based on what appears to be a bizarre interpretation of the law. They will then bill you for the advice. Amusing, while at the same time sounding pretty accurate.
I’m totally lost *can anyone help with court proceedings about getting my 20 mins back? I’ll gladly remove this from A solicitors hands - if anyone can tell me what’s going on. It feels like a late Friday night after a couple of bottles of red and we decide to watch an art house subtitled film 🥴 Let me try to help you out. A group of adults wanted to buy a Korean book about a dude made out of sticks. Some dude that lives in the shadows wanted to facilitate a group purchase of said books. Some Irish dude with PTSD from some previous dude trying to scam people on this forum noticed a familiar pattern and/or red flags and tried to warn the group about the dude from the shadows. So then, the shadow dude, annoyed by the Irish dude, threatened litigation against the Irish dude, in which said Irish dude told said shadow dude to go fuck themselves. Shadow dude, frustrated with all of the pushback, decides to say fuck it, and remove his offer to facilitate the purchase of the books from Korea about the dude made out of sticks. He decides that eBay is where this should all transpire henceforth. It seems there are some forum members that are unfazed by all of this, and still wish to take part in dealings with the dude that lives in the shadows and they are now sad because the book from Korea about the dude made out sticks currently eludes them. I hope that clears things up.
Very good.
All that talk about legal action and reciting parts from 'Lawyers monthly' and it came to nothing ? Someone has been seen off here, which member ? Are you in the real world here. Due to covid I have a telephone interview on Thursday. Then will find out how to proceed. Currently locating Irl1 address after I found out his real name. Your lawyer will tell you that the best way to proceed is to stop issuing unactionable legal threats based on what appears to be a bizarre interpretation of the law. They will then bill you for the advice. Amusing, while at the same time sounding pretty accurate. I’m totally lost *can anyone help with court proceedings about getting my 20 mins back? I’ll gladly remove this from A solicitors hands - if anyone can tell me what’s going on. It feels like a late Friday night after a couple of bottles of red and we decide to watch an art house subtitled film 🥴 Let me try to help you out. A group of adults wanted to buy a Korean book about a dude made out of sticks. Some dude that lives in the shadows wanted to facilitate a group purchase of said books. Some Irish dude with PTSD from some previous dude trying to scam people on this forum noticed a familiar pattern and/or red flags and tried to warn the group about the dude from the shadows. So then, the shadow dude, annoyed by the Irish dude, threatened litigation against the Irish dude, in which said Irish dude told said shadow dude to go fuck themselves. Shadow dude, frustrated with all of the pushback, decides to say fuck it, and remove his offer to facilitate the purchase of the books from Korea about the dude made out of sticks. He decides that eBay is where this should all transpire henceforth. It seems there are some forum members that are unfazed by all of this, and still wish to take part in dealings with the dude that lives in the shadows and they are now sad because the book from Korea about the dude made out sticks currently eludes them. I hope that clears things up. Very good.
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Kaws What Party Chum, by met on Sept 1, 2020 17:56:23 GMT 1, hahahahahahahaha. classic post & handle combo Well spotted, and thanks for the chuckle.
hahahahahahahaha. classic post & handle combo Well spotted, and thanks for the chuckle.
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Stik Korean order, by met on Sept 1, 2020 5:45:43 GMT 1, Yeh right go and print one up. I'm done here 100% sure this is Paul Wroe and if any of you want to deal with him fire away Dear Irl1, This letter has been served as notice of your recent acts of unwarranted harassment. You are required to cease and desist all acts of harassment including but not limited to: Calling out my family members, family tree, Using slanderous accusations in this forum without proof or evidence. The listed actions are unwanted and unwarranted. This cease and desist letter shall serve as a pre-suit letter requesting that you provide written assurance within 3 (days) that you will discontinue further actions. Sincerely, Steven Milligan. Go fuck yourself Dr Jekyll or is it Mr Hyde today Under GDPR the point of interest here is that this says that "personal data" which cannot be attributed to an individual is, nevertheless, still personal data. I think the most important part of the regulation is art. 6, which defines lawfulness of processing, especially para 4., which allows consideration to be given to safeguards such as pseudonymization. I think it is best to instruct my solicitor to send a cease and desist letter to the forum owner. Maybe that will add weight behind this destruction of my character. You have my address and now you seek to publicize this and give scant regards to GDPR and invasion of my privacy.
Ian Lanman or Irl1 of Dublin is now blocked. It will be in the hands of my solicitor in the morning.
The thread seems to have taken a rather odd turn.
[For this purpose, I'll focus on one of the more sensational aspects, leaving aside the incorrect reference to slander and confusion about to whom the GDPR applies.]
Hope you'll forgive my curiosity, which got the better of me, but is your name Steven Milligan or Paul Wroe?
If you're Milligan, then presumably the whole episode is simply a matter of mistaken identity by irl1 — meaning your privacy hasn't been compromised by anyone but yourself (cf. the post where you disclosed your name). Nor will it be.
In which case, I'm unclear as to why you'd feel so threatened that it warrants the need to instruct your solicitor, and incur legal fees in the process. Is the objective to protect Wroe's family members and family tree?
Yeh right go and print one up. I'm done here 100% sure this is Paul Wroe and if any of you want to deal with him fire away Dear Irl1, This letter has been served as notice of your recent acts of unwarranted harassment. You are required to cease and desist all acts of harassment including but not limited to: Calling out my family members, family tree, Using slanderous accusations in this forum without proof or evidence. The listed actions are unwanted and unwarranted. This cease and desist letter shall serve as a pre-suit letter requesting that you provide written assurance within 3 (days) that you will discontinue further actions. Sincerely, Steven Milligan. Go fuck yourself Dr Jekyll or is it Mr Hyde today Under GDPR the point of interest here is that this says that "personal data" which cannot be attributed to an individual is, nevertheless, still personal data. I think the most important part of the regulation is art. 6, which defines lawfulness of processing, especially para 4., which allows consideration to be given to safeguards such as pseudonymization. I think it is best to instruct my solicitor to send a cease and desist letter to the forum owner. Maybe that will add weight behind this destruction of my character. You have my address and now you seek to publicize this and give scant regards to GDPR and invasion of my privacy. Ian Lanman or Irl1 of Dublin is now blocked. It will be in the hands of my solicitor in the morning. The thread seems to have taken a rather odd turn. [For this purpose, I'll focus on one of the more sensational aspects, leaving aside the incorrect reference to slander and confusion about to whom the GDPR applies.]Hope you'll forgive my curiosity, which got the better of me, but is your name Steven Milligan or Paul Wroe? If you're Milligan, then presumably the whole episode is simply a matter of mistaken identity by irl1 — meaning your privacy hasn't been compromised by anyone but yourself (cf. the post where you disclosed your name). Nor will it be. In which case, I'm unclear as to why you'd feel so threatened that it warrants the need to instruct your solicitor, and incur legal fees in the process. Is the objective to protect Wroe's family members and family tree?
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LM appeal auction - banksy items - , by met on Aug 31, 2020 18:48:07 GMT 1, Last bump - great bids so far. Closes at 9 am Tuesday UK Time. I will be in contact with highest bidders via pm on Tuesday evening, once I’ve finished work. A reminder that donations are made directly by the winner to the LM charity, the donors have kindly agreed to cover postage, once proof is shown of the donation. Thanks to all - thrilled with the bids and support.
Assuming we agree words have meanings and those meanings do matter, we can hold ourselves to a higher standard that tries to ensure nobody is misled by what we say and write.
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I would encourage you to reconsider your use of both "charity" and "refugee":
1. Obtaining charitable status is often a difficult process, with continuous regulatory oversight and transparency demands thereafter. The MV Louise Michel lifeboat has a humanitarian mission. But it is not a registered charity. Nor has its crew ever made such a claim.
For others to refer to the Louise Michel as a "charity" is inaccurate and unhelpfully stretches the definition. In my view, that kind of careless, ignorant or knowing exaggeration (even if deemed unimportant by some or, more cynically, a non-truth that is in the interest of a greater cause) undermines credibility, ultimately doing more harm than good.
2. "Refugee" has a clear, internationally-recognised definition*.
To its credit and from what I've seen thus far, the Louise Michel crew has been especially careful to avoid this term on its website and social media — instead using words like "people", "individuals", "survivors", "guests" and "friends". Because clearly they have no mandate to determine who is and who is not a refugee.
The fact other entities have been incautious with their choice of wording should not be seen as an invitation to perpetuate that recklessness. This too would risk undermining the credibility of the Louise Michel's mission. It also worsens public confusion, arguably trivialising genuine refugee status.
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Last bump - great bids so far. Closes at 9 am Tuesday UK Time. I will be in contact with highest bidders via pm on Tuesday evening, once I’ve finished work. A reminder that donations are made directly by the winner to the LM charity, the donors have kindly agreed to cover postage, once proof is shown of the donation. Thanks to all - thrilled with the bids and support. Assuming we agree words have meanings and those meanings do matter, we can hold ourselves to a higher standard that tries to ensure nobody is misled by what we say and write. __________ I would encourage you to reconsider your use of both "charity" and "refugee": 1. Obtaining charitable status is often a difficult process, with continuous regulatory oversight and transparency demands thereafter. The MV Louise Michel lifeboat has a humanitarian mission. But it is not a registered charity. Nor has its crew ever made such a claim. For others to refer to the Louise Michel as a "charity" is inaccurate and unhelpfully stretches the definition. In my view, that kind of careless, ignorant or knowing exaggeration (even if deemed unimportant by some or, more cynically, a non-truth that is in the interest of a greater cause) undermines credibility, ultimately doing more harm than good. 2. "Refugee" has a clear, internationally-recognised definition *. To its credit and from what I've seen thus far, the Louise Michel crew has been especially careful to avoid this term on its website and social media — instead using words like "people", "individuals", "survivors", "guests" and "friends". Because clearly they have no mandate to determine who is and who is not a refugee. The fact other entities have been incautious with their choice of wording should not be seen as an invitation to perpetuate that recklessness. This too would risk undermining the credibility of the Louise Michel's mission. It also worsens public confusion, arguably trivialising genuine refugee status. __________ I trust the above feedback will be received in the spirit with which it was offered. There is no doubt in my mind that your efforts are well-intentioned.
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Banksy™ Thrower print, Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Aug 30, 2020 5:16:39 GMT 1, Thank you for all your comments and knowledge. this is why I posted the result - to learn on this fantastic journey. I gave the instructions to the framer who insured me to meet all points. I think all of previous points are great advice, just wondering why some points in previous comments are not on the instruction if absolutely necessary. ![](http://i.imgur.com/FvmAbtd.jpg)
Out of interest, which specific points in previous comments are you referring to? And query if it was suggested they were absolutely necessary.
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I only read a handful of the more recent posts, covering conservation. These were to be expected given the value of your piece. But if one took an extreme approach, it would amount to the work pretty much being kept out of sight — in a hermetically-sealed, temperature and humidity-controlled black box.
And so, most people (being those who wish to hang and look at their art) will always have to accept some tradeoff between (a) conservation and (b) presentation.
The sheet you posted does offer basic conservation tips, much of it being common sense. But its priority is the presentation of Banksy's Thrower print.
That's clear from the obsessively-detailed assembly instructions (with their precise measurements, to the millimetre) and parts of the text itself, e.g. "The artist has some quite particular ideas about how it's best displayed." and "Do not store indefinitely in a dark place hoping it will increase in value [...] - for display purposes only."
Had Banksy's key concern been conservation, he would never for example have put such emphasis on an oval-shaped mount.
Thank you for all your comments and knowledge. this is why I posted the result - to learn on this fantastic journey. I gave the instructions to the framer who insured me to meet all points. I think all of previous points are great advice, just wondering why some points in previous comments are not on the instruction if absolutely necessary. ![](http://i.imgur.com/FvmAbtd.jpg) Out of interest, which specific points in previous comments are you referring to? And query if it was suggested they were absolutely necessary. __________ I only read a handful of the more recent posts, covering conservation. These were to be expected given the value of your piece. But if one took an extreme approach, it would amount to the work pretty much being kept out of sight — in a hermetically-sealed, temperature and humidity-controlled black box. And so, most people (being those who wish to hang and look at their art) will always have to accept some tradeoff between (a) conservation and (b) presentation. The sheet you posted does offer basic conservation tips, much of it being common sense. But its priority is the presentation of Ban ksy's Thrower print. That's clear from the obsessively-detailed assembly instructions (with their precise measurements, to the millimetre) and parts of the text itself, e.g. "The artist has some quite particular ideas about how it's best displayed." and "Do not store indefinitely in a dark place hoping it will increase in value [...] - for display purposes only."Had Ban ksy's key concern been conservation, he would never for example have put such emphasis on an oval-shaped mount.
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Banksy™ Thrower print, Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Aug 30, 2020 2:17:39 GMT 1, Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level *, or merely conservation level *). This got me thinking - conservation level vs museum level. What's the main difference? Have people gone for museum level when framing?
The Conservation Level link I added says the following in relation to Conservation Level framing:
It should give virtually as high a level of protection as Museum Level framing and in many markets, for example the USA, no distinction is made between the two.
The two terms therefore seem synonymous in many national markets — but presumably not all markets.
In places where there may be a subtle distinction (e.g. slight differences in the quality and longevity of the framing materials used), a collector would be wise to insist on Museum Level framing for high-value artworks, and to get this confirmed in writing.
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My heavy emphasis on getting things in writing is so that there's a physical document everyone can fall back on in case of a later issue or dispute regarding the framing and purported framing level. Frankly, some framers will band about the term "conservation framing" without truly knowing what it means.
With respect to the specific techniques and materials used (including brand and product names), this information will potentially be very helpful to other framers, art conservators or restorers who may work on or with the piece in the future.
When I last had framing done by John Jones (before it shut down) in London, the company also prepared a very detailed report with photos on the condition of the print I had brought in. This offered peace of mind for both me and them.
A separate general point, which relates to psychological tactics, is that when people are asked to put things down in writing, they tend to be more careful about what they say and do.
Likewise, if I'm on the telephone speaking to a company representative about a question I have or a problem, I will ask for their name. That often seems to focus their mind. I sense they are less prone to bluffing or giving me the brush-off — knowing they are no longer anonymous, and that whatever they say and do (or fail to do) may well come back to them.
Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level *, or merely conservation level *). This got me thinking - conservation level vs museum level. What's the main difference? Have people gone for museum level when framing? The Conservation Level link I added says the following in relation to Conservation Level framing: It should give virtually as high a level of protection as Museum Level framing and in many markets, for example the USA, no distinction is made between the two.The two terms therefore seem synonymous in many national markets — but presumably not all markets. In places where there may be a subtle distinction (e.g. slight differences in the quality and longevity of the framing materials used), a collector would be wise to insist on Museum Level framing for high-value artworks, and to get this confirmed in writing. __________ My heavy emphasis on getting things in writing is so that there's a physical document everyone can fall back on in case of a later issue or dispute regarding the framing and purported framing level. Frankly, some framers will band about the term "conservation framing" without truly knowing what it means. With respect to the specific techniques and materials used (including brand and product names), this information will potentially be very helpful to other framers, art conservators or restorers who may work on or with the piece in the future. When I last had framing done by John Jones (before it shut down) in London, the company also prepared a very detailed report with photos on the condition of the print I had brought in. This offered peace of mind for both me and them. A separate general point, which relates to psychological tactics, is that when people are asked to put things down in writing, they tend to be more careful about what they say and do. Likewise, if I'm on the telephone speaking to a company representative about a question I have or a problem, I will ask for their name. That often seems to focus their mind. I sense they are less prone to bluffing or giving me the brush-off — knowing they are no longer anonymous, and that whatever they say and do (or fail to do) may well come back to them.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 30, 2020 1:11:26 GMT 1, Siouxsie And The Banshees - Dear Prudence (1983) - uploaded by SiouxsieBansheesVEVO
Madonna - Like A Virgin (1984) - uploaded by Madonna
Fiona Apple - Across the Universe (1998) - uploaded by Steve Mack [Best quality found, albeit with a minute of blank video at the end.]
Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Catch You (2006) - uploaded by Sophie Ellis-Bextor
The Breeders, with Tanya Donnelly - Happiness Is A Warm Gun (Live in Boston, 18 December 2013; from the Pod album released in 1990) - uploaded by Jeff McRae [Sound quality is rough at first, but improves later.]
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Siouxsie And The Banshees - Dear Prudence (1983)- uploaded by SiouxsieBansheesVEVOMadonna - Like A Virgin (1984)- uploaded by MadonnaFiona Apple - Across the Universe (1998)- uploaded by Steve Mack [Best quality found, albeit with a minute of blank video at the end.]Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Catch You (2006)- uploaded by Sophie Ellis-BextorThe Breeders, with Tanya Donnelly - Happiness Is A Warm Gun (Live in Boston, 18 December 2013; from the Pod album released in 1990)- uploaded by Jeff McRae [Sound quality is rough at first, but improves later.]________________ At around 21:00 UK time on Wednesday 2 September, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member * to answer correctly, wins.
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Banksy™ Thrower print, Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Aug 30, 2020 0:08:27 GMT 1, The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room.
Focusing solely on potential light damage, you've already indicated 99% protection is not 100%. Consider the possible impact of the remaining 1%. Not over weeks or months, but cumulatively over years.
There's an important separate issue which many (including many framers) don't seem to appreciate:
That 99% protection offered by your glazing relates to UV light, and UV light only. It will not protect against damage that may be caused by visible light — which is also harmful, albeit to a lesser degree.
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Aesthetics aside, this is one reason why a significant number of seasoned collectors choose to float mount their works on paper.
If they actually wish to hang their art and be able to see it daily (as opposed to storing it in darkness), they cannot prevent at least some light damage from happening. But what they can do by float mounting is ensure that any light-related bleaching or fading occurs evenly, across the entire surface of the relevant piece — and therefore less noticeably.
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The point here is simply to ensure you've factored in and thought through all of the variables.
To state the blindingly obvious, if only for the sake of emphasis, an artwork like yours has a financial value that would be life-changing for the vast majority of the population. And so it would be regrettable if, say, in a decade's time, you were to look under the matt, only to find that a prominent oval shape had become distractingly visible on your prized collectible.
Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level*, or merely conservation level*).
The main two are mount burn of the part of the print hidden by the mount or sun bleaching of the exposed part of the print. for the mount burn high quality acid free board and for sun bleaching a 99% filter was used but I guess that will not help completely. sun bleaching will always be an issue unless u store it in a dark room. Focusing solely on potential light damage, you've already indicated 99% protection is not 100%. Consider the possible impact of the remaining 1%. Not over weeks or months, but cumulatively over years. There's an important separate issue which many (including many framers) don't seem to appreciate: That 99% protection offered by your glazing relates to UV light, and UV light only. It will not protect against damage that may be caused by visible light — which is also harmful, albeit to a lesser degree. __________ Aesthetics aside, this is one reason why a significant number of seasoned collectors choose to float mount their works on paper. If they actually wish to hang their art and be able to see it daily (as opposed to storing it in darkness), they cannot prevent at least some light damage from happening. But what they can do by float mounting is ensure that any light-related bleaching or fading occurs evenly, across the entire surface of the relevant piece — and therefore less noticeably. __________ The point here is simply to ensure you've factored in and thought through all of the variables. To state the blindingly obvious, if only for the sake of emphasis, an artwork like yours has a financial value that would be life-changing for the vast majority of the population. And so it would be regrettable if, say, in a decade's time, you were to look under the matt, only to find that a prominent oval shape had become distractingly visible on your prized collectible. Whichever path you opt for, get your framer to put everything down in writing: the techniques applied, the detailed specifics of all the materials used, and the standard of the overall framing (e.g. museum level *, or merely conservation level *).
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 29, 2020 18:41:04 GMT 1, The person featured on the white t-shirt was part of a scene that immediately preceded the one from where Poptone got its name. Soo Catwoman > Bromley Contingent > Sex Pistols > Johnny Rotten > John Lydon > Public Image Ltd > Poptones (song). Punk "scene" ok, but what scene do you mean Poptone got its name from? Edit This isn't a quiz answer so I've corrected a few spelling mistakes.
A very fair question. It is probably the case that my reference to the "scene" (from where Poptone got its name) could have been better phrased given its ambiguity.
The intention was to make some kind of distinction between:
(i) the Sex Pistols era; and
(ii) the period following the break-up of the band and overdose of cartoon-junkie-punk, Sid Vicious.
That latter period was one of greater maturity and experimentation (perhaps also jadedness), during which multiple disparate and less-united music and cultural scenes arose. It was the dawn of new wave, no wave, post-punk, cold wave / dark wave / goth, and hardcore.
The person featured on the white t-shirt was part of a scene that immediately preceded the one from where Poptone got its name. Soo Catwoman > Bromley Contingent > Sex Pistols > Johnny Rotten > John Lydon > Public Image Ltd > Poptones (song). Punk "scene" ok, but what scene do you mean Poptone got its name from? Edit This isn't a quiz answer so I've corrected a few spelling mistakes.
A very fair question. It is probably the case that my reference to the "scene" (from where Poptone got its name) could have been better phrased given its ambiguity. The intention was to make some kind of distinction between: (i) the Sex Pistols era; and (ii) the period following the break-up of the band and overdose of cartoon-junkie-punk, Sid Vicious. That latter period was one of greater maturity and experimentation (perhaps also jadedness), during which multiple disparate and less-united music and cultural scenes arose. It was the dawn of new wave, no wave, post-punk, cold wave / dark wave / goth, and hardcore.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 28, 2020 20:22:14 GMT 1, The t-shirt is a picture of Soo Catwoman ![](https://i.imgur.com/DdKgYxC.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/Y2bA7NW.jpg)
Congratulations for the second time, Schrödinger's Chat.
I had actually logged back in to offer a clue, after thinking the bonus question was potentially unfair.
This was one of those cases where, for anyone who recognised the iconic imagery, the question was easy. But if they didn't happen to have the relevant cultural reference points, there was no reasonable way for them to work out the correct answer.
You clearly fell within the former category and didn't need the clue, which was going to be as follows:
The person featured on the white t-shirt was part of a scene that immediately preceded the one from where Poptone got its name.
The t-shirt is a picture of Soo Catwoman ![](https://i.imgur.com/DdKgYxC.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/Y2bA7NW.jpg) Congratulations for the second time, Schrödinger's Chat. I had actually logged back in to offer a clue, after thinking the bonus question was potentially unfair. This was one of those cases where, for anyone who recognised the iconic imagery, the question was easy. But if they didn't happen to have the relevant cultural reference points, there was no reasonable way for them to work out the correct answer. You clearly fell within the former category and didn't need the clue, which was going to be as follows: The person featured on the white t-shirt was part of a scene that immediately preceded the one from where Poptone got its name.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 28, 2020 17:53:42 GMT 1, I would say that Poptone and Chemical Brothers songs are connected thematically and one could read them as complementing each other. They are both about breaking boundaries, comforting your fears and standing up for yourself. (I m not eligible to participate in this lottery -I am new here-- so please Mr Met evaluate this answer after other members have given theirs) Cheers for this. It's an excellent effort, covering an aspect I had not even considered.
You are but one post away from competition eligibility. Hope to see you taking part again in the future.
I would say that Poptone and Chemical Brothers songs are connected thematically and one could read them as complementing each other. They are both about breaking boundaries, comforting your fears and standing up for yourself. (I m not eligible to participate in this lottery -I am new here-- so please Mr Met evaluate this answer after other members have given theirs) Cheers for this. It's an excellent effort, covering an aspect I had not even considered. You are but one post away from competition eligibility. Hope to see you taking part again in the future.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 28, 2020 17:26:23 GMT 1, Moby - go PopTone - go The link: Is it that Moby - Go samples Tones on Tails - go, whilst PopTone is made up of some of the members of Tones on Tails (Daniel Ash and Kevin Haskins).
Schrödinger's Chat — You contravened Clause 2.1* of the competition rules by editing your post. Normally, you'd have disqualified yourself.
I did however see your original answer. It was correct (despite having been phrased as a question), so I'll use reasonable discretion and waive the breach.
Congratulations on winning.
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The two songs tied to one another are by Moby and Poptone.
Key to this competition was knowing, or putting in the research and finding out, who Poptone are.
Daniel Ash and Kevin Haskins (along with Haskins' daughter, Diva Dompé) formed Poptone in 2017 with a view to revisiting and performing live many songs they rarely had a chance to play — especially during their short-lived, pre-Love and Rockets project, Tones on Tail.
One of those songs was Go! (1984), a post-Bauhaus club hit for Tones on Tail. [Fans of Grosse Point Blank (1997) or Party Monster (2003) may recall the song being used in those films.]
Moby's 1991 single samples the "Go!" vocals by Daniel Ash from 1984.
Tones on Tail - Go! (1984) - uploaded by Greg Haus
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If you answer it correctly (in a single, unedited post) by 20:00 UK time on Saturday 29 August, you'll win an extra prize: an attractive, sold-out, limited-edition, enamel pin by one of the Mission School / Beautiful Losers artists.
Poptone's video consists of footage from at least two different concerts. In one of them, Daniel Ash is wearing a white t-shirt.
Identify the person featured on the t-shirt (the correct spelling of their name is essential), and also post a clearer image of that t-shirt.
Moby - go PopTone - go The link: Is it that Moby - Go samples Tones on Tails - go, whilst PopTone is made up of some of the members of Tones on Tails (Daniel Ash and Kevin Haskins). Schrödinger's Chat — You contravened Clause 2.1 * of the competition rules by editing your post. Normally, you'd have disqualified yourself. I did however see your original answer. It was correct (despite having been phrased as a question), so I'll use reasonable discretion and waive the breach. Congratulations on winning. REFERENCE ANSWERThe two songs tied to one another are by Moby and Poptone. Key to this competition was knowing, or putting in the research and finding out, who Poptone are. Daniel Ash and Kevin Haskins (along with Haskins' daughter, Diva Dompé) formed Poptone in 2017 with a view to revisiting and performing live many songs they rarely had a chance to play — especially during their short-lived, pre- Love and Rockets project, Tones on Tail. One of those songs was Go! (1984), a post- Bauhaus club hit for Tones on Tail. [Fans of Grosse Point Blank (1997) or Party Monster (2003) may recall the song being used in those films.]Moby's 1991 single samples the "Go!" vocals by Daniel Ash from 1984. Tones on Tail - Go! (1984)- uploaded by Greg Haus__________ Schrödinger's Chat — Cookies secured, but there's also a bonus question for you. If you answer it correctly (in a single, unedited post) by 20:00 UK time on Saturday 29 August, you'll win an extra prize: an attractive, sold-out, limited-edition, enamel pin by one of the Mission School / Beautiful Losers artists. Poptone's video consists of footage from at least two different concerts. In one of them, Daniel Ash is wearing a white t-shirt. Identify the person featured on the t-shirt (the correct spelling of their name is essential), and also post a clearer image of that t-shirt.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 28, 2020 15:39:02 GMT 1, ANSWER: 'Go'. by Poptone and Meg Myers both tie together because they have the same baseline that carries through the whole song. Hopefully this is correct because I couldn't find anything in the lyrics that connect any of the songs together. Also because the Moby track is all samples. I am a big fan of music and love chemical brothers and moby! More people need to enter this lottery! Incorrect answer on this occasion, I'm afraid — though I do acknowledge some similarities in the respective basslines of those two songs.
Let's see if another member steps up before 20:00 UK time.
ANSWER: 'Go'. by Poptone and Meg Myers both tie together because they have the same baseline that carries through the whole song. Hopefully this is correct because I couldn't find anything in the lyrics that connect any of the songs together. Also because the Moby track is all samples. I am a big fan of music and love chemical brothers and moby! More people need to enter this lottery! Incorrect answer on this occasion, I'm afraid — though I do acknowledge some similarities in the respective basslines of those two songs. Let's see if another member steps up before 20:00 UK time.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 27, 2020 20:00:00 GMT 1, A. B. C.Moby - Go (1991)- uploaded by MobyMeg Myers - Go (2014) - uploaded by Meg MyersThe Chemical Brothers - Go (2015)- uploaded by The Chemical BrothersPoptone - Go! (2018)- uploaded by Cleopatra Records________________ At around 20:00 UK time on Thursday 27 August, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member * to answer correctly, wins.
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Identify the two songs and explain what connects them.
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Sedgley, Dran, Pejac, Shrigley, Xenz, Snik, Eine, Sweetoof, , by met on Aug 27, 2020 13:29:35 GMT 1, Ha some nerve! You still owe me 250 pounds from when I tried to buy some of these very pieces off you and you messed me about for months! (I've had a username change since but the history is all still on the original thread)
Assuming your previous username was @jt36, I'm curious about why that account was deleted.
Two years ago, you confirmed you weren't letting the matter go, and would take mash to court if necessary.
This "action, not words" approach had impressed me, and I recall being pleased reading about someone willing to stand up for themselves. The £250 was in effect a secondary issue — even trivial compared to the higher point of principle, regarding the apparent contempt with which you'd been treated.
What eventually happened at the small claims court?
urbanartassociation.com/thread/152727/pejac-dran-shrigley-brantley-added?page=2
It really is that simple and after further reflection I'm not going to drop this, have done research about small claims process and a "letter before action" will be going out tomorrow. That does help thanks. I've written the letter after reading some advice on various sites (I've done it formally as you said), so going to send that off tomorrow. Good to hear the process was painless. Hopefully the letter alone does the trick but if not I'm happy to go the court route.
Ha some nerve! You still owe me 250 pounds from when I tried to buy some of these very pieces off you and you messed me about for months! (I've had a username change since but the history is all still on the original thread) Assuming your previous username was @ jt36, I'm curious about why that account was deleted. Two years ago, you confirmed you weren't letting the matter go, and would take mash to court if necessary. This "action, not words" approach had impressed me, and I recall being pleased reading about someone willing to stand up for themselves. The £250 was in effect a secondary issue — even trivial compared to the higher point of principle, regarding the apparent contempt with which you'd been treated. What eventually happened at the small claims court? urbanartassociation.com/thread/152727/pejac-dran-shrigley-brantley-added?page=2It really is that simple and after further reflection I'm not going to drop this, have done research about small claims process and a "letter before action" will be going out tomorrow. That does help thanks. I've written the letter after reading some advice on various sites (I've done it formally as you said), so going to send that off tomorrow. Good to hear the process was painless. Hopefully the letter alone does the trick but if not I'm happy to go the court route.
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Heritage Auctions 🇺🇲, by met on Aug 27, 2020 1:40:44 GMT 1, What's up with the signature on the Bast Popeye? Not suggesting it isn't legit, but the lettering is different and appears to say "BASTO". And the bottom right says "08" instead of "NY". Anyone know the story behind that? All perfectly normal (despite 'Basto' being Italian for 'enough') no story, just Bast being Bast.
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Indeed, it isn't uncommon for writers to use variants of their graffiti names from time to time:
- Bäst, Bast, Basto - Twist, Twister, Twisto, Twistone (I've also seen Twistoe and Twisty) - Sace, Sacer - Banksy, Banks - etc.
Similar idea with initialisms for graffiti crews (like THR), which can have multiple meanings.
The band MDC has always done the same: Millions of Dead Cops, More Dead Cops, Multi-Death Corporation, Millions of Dead Children.
What's up with the signature on the Bast Popeye? Not suggesting it isn't legit, but the lettering is different and appears to say "BASTO". And the bottom right says "08" instead of "NY". Anyone know the story behind that? All perfectly normal (despite 'Basto' being Italian for 'enough') no story, just Bast being Bast. ![](https://i.imgur.com/ovlpWyC.jpg) Indeed, it isn't uncommon for writers to use variants of their graffiti names from time to time: - Bä st, Ba st, Basto - Twist, Twister, Twisto, Twistone (I've also seen Twistoe and Twisty) - Sace, Sacer - Ban ksy, Banks - etc. Similar idea with initialisms for graffiti crews (like THR), which can have multiple meanings. The band MDC has always done the same: Millions of Dead Cops, More Dead Cops, Multi-Death Corporation, Millions of Dead Children.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 26, 2020 3:25:43 GMT 1, A.
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Moby - Go (1991) - uploaded by Moby
Meg Myers - Go (2014) - uploaded by Meg Myers
The Chemical Brothers - Go (2015) - uploaded by The Chemical Brothers
Poptone - Go! (2018) - uploaded by Cleopatra Records
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 24, 2020 3:28:44 GMT 1, [...] __________ @afreefilms — Although your cookies are secured, a bonus task is available as well. If you choose to complete it, and do so by 20:00 UK time on Sunday, 23 August (plenty of time), you'll win extra prizes: a vintage, collectible art postcard and one of my favourite books. In the short clip below, Melissa Chen mentions the encroaching tyranny of China, especially digital tyranny in all forms: mass surveillance, the collecting of facial scans, and other uses of AI (in addition to the selling of that technology to other authoritarian states). She also refers to UN joint statements condemning China's human rights violations and abuses in its treatment of the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang*. Paradoxically, the signatories were nations often accused of being Islamophobic (the USA, many European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan) — whereas the likes of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Algeria actually chose to side with China on the issue. Should We Be Worried About a Hot War with China? [4:57]- uploaded by JRE Clips on 14 February 2020With a quick You Tube search, one finds plenty of news reports regarding China's surveillance society and digital dictatorship. These come from multiple sources such as Australia's ABC-TV ( Foreign Correspondent), The Wall Street Journal, BBC News, and VICE News. Among the selection available, find a video you consider balanced and informative, which covers both China's surveillance technology generally and the extreme use of that technology in Xinjiang. Then post your chosen video for others to watch in this thread. I remember researching about this a few years back.. I know there's some good news casts of it. I felt that this was the best informative video though. Shows you in depth on what and how they re using this surveillance technology.
Congratulations on winning the bonus prizes, @afreefilms, and sorry for the delayed acknowledgement on my part.
Your FedEx parcel was collected from my home on Friday and should be with you in about 15 hours (Monday morning your time).
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With respect to the bonus task, there follows a couple of videos I believe are also worth watching.
The first, a VICE on HBO programme, is over two years old (April 2018) but offers a helpful introduction on the sophistication of China's facial-recognition and surveillance technologies, along with their practical applications, especially in real time. They are genuinely impressive and terrifying.
One of the developers of this technology refers to its future as being similar to Black Mirror*. He's specifically referencing Nosedive* (Season 3, Episode 1) from 2016, which stars Bryce Dallas Howard and focuses around social credit scoring.
How China Tracks Everyone [12:55] - uploaded by VICE News (originally aired 13 April 2018 on VICE on HBO)
The next video is from 2018 as well, and explores in greater depth China's Social Credit System*, i.e. the nation-wide reputation system that imposes restrictions on the daily life of its citizens (including on the freedom of travel) if they don't score high enough. It essentially amounts to the abandonment of privacy in the name of security and convenience. Moreover, we go from mass surveillance and big-data policing to high-tech social engineering — "a digital totalitarian state where algorithms decide your fate, and nothing can be questioned."
Among the parts I found of great interest were the interviews with the wife and mother who was thriving in the system, hopeful about the future, and seemingly happy to accept the privacy sacrifice.
This second video also addresses the persecution of the Uyghurs. Three years ago (in August 2017), the United Nations announced it had seen credible reports that over 1,000,000 Uyghurs were at the time being held without charge in "education and training centres" in Xinjiang. I suspect it's unlikely their circumstances have improved since then.
Exposing China's Digital Dystopian Dictatorship | Foreign Correspondent [27:14] - uploaded by ABC News In-depth on 18 September 2018
[...] __________ @afreefilms — Although your cookies are secured, a bonus task is available as well. If you choose to complete it, and do so by 20:00 UK time on Sunday, 23 August (plenty of time), you'll win extra prizes: a vintage, collectible art postcard and one of my favourite books. In the short clip below, Melissa Chen mentions the encroaching tyranny of China, especially digital tyranny in all forms: mass surveillance, the collecting of facial scans, and other uses of AI (in addition to the selling of that technology to other authoritarian states). She also refers to UN joint statements condemning China's human rights violations and abuses in its treatment of the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang*. Paradoxically, the signatories were nations often accused of being Islamophobic (the USA, many European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan) — whereas the likes of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Algeria actually chose to side with China on the issue. Should We Be Worried About a Hot War with China? [4:57]- uploaded by JRE Clips on 14 February 2020With a quick You Tube search, one finds plenty of news reports regarding China's surveillance society and digital dictatorship. These come from multiple sources such as Australia's ABC-TV ( Foreign Correspondent), The Wall Street Journal, BBC News, and VICE News. Among the selection available, find a video you consider balanced and informative, which covers both China's surveillance technology generally and the extreme use of that technology in Xinjiang. Then post your chosen video for others to watch in this thread. I remember researching about this a few years back.. I know there's some good news casts of it. I felt that this was the best informative video though. Shows you in depth on what and how they re using this surveillance technology. Congratulations on winning the bonus prizes, @afreefilms, and sorry for the delayed acknowledgement on my part. Your FedEx parcel was collected from my home on Friday and should be with you in about 15 hours (Monday morning your time). __________ With respect to the bonus task, there follows a couple of videos I believe are also worth watching. The first, a VICE on HBO programme, is over two years old (April 2018) but offers a helpful introduction on the sophistication of China's facial-recognition and surveillance technologies, along with their practical applications, especially in real time. They are genuinely impressive and terrifying. One of the developers of this technology refers to its future as being similar to Black Mirror*. He's specifically referencing Nosedive* (Season 3, Episode 1) from 2016, which stars Bryce Dallas Howard and focuses around social credit scoring. How China Tracks Everyone [12:55]- uploaded by VICE News (originally aired 13 April 2018 on VICE on HBO)The next video is from 2018 as well, and explores in greater depth China's Social Credit System*, i.e. the nation-wide reputation system that imposes restrictions on the daily life of its citizens (including on the freedom of travel) if they don't score high enough. It essentially amounts to the abandonment of privacy in the name of security and convenience. Moreover, we go from mass surveillance and big-data policing to high-tech social engineering — "a digital totalitarian state where algorithms decide your fate, and nothing can be questioned."Among the parts I found of great interest were the interviews with the wife and mother who was thriving in the system, hopeful about the future, and seemingly happy to accept the privacy sacrifice. This second video also addresses the persecution of the Uyghurs. Three years ago (in August 2017), the United Nations announced it had seen credible reports that over 1,000,000 Uyghurs were at the time being held without charge in "education and training centres" in Xinjiang. I suspect it's unlikely their circumstances have improved since then. Exposing China's Digital Dystopian Dictatorship | Foreign Correspondent [27:14]- uploaded by ABC News In-depth on 18 September 2018
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The Art Giveaway, by met on Aug 23, 2020 18:00:33 GMT 1,
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If my understanding is right, participants must follow your Instagram account, comment on your post, and spam or whore out two of their friends over the next fortnight. In exchange, you will offer one of them a print of an image you've stolen from a popular artist.
Would it be your position that intellectual property theft is a good look for you? That it demonstrates integrity, or respect for artists and their creations?
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It also seems unlikely that, "Using the exact same methods as Banksy himself", you churned out only a single copy of Rude Copper. Presumably, you are instead sitting on a substantial pile of them (whether it be 50, 250 or 500).
If that's correct, is the intention to later sell the other unauthorised prints to punters — like The West Country Prince or similar scummy characters, but one who arrived even later to the party?
Here's an idea:
Given the potential financial upside, why not pass off the prints as genuine Banksys, and sell them to overly-enthusiastic, uninformed fans?
There are plenty of these naive individuals around, including on this message board. And since they often seem truly desperate to acquire a Banksy, any Banksy (and to do so right now), they would make for easy pickings.
After all, if you're already willing to embrace outright theft in such a public manner, then the additional leap to fraud should not be so difficult for you.
![](https://i.imgur.com/7SXvBOG.png) If my understanding is right, participants must follow your Instagram account, comment on your post, and spam or whore out two of their friends over the next fortnight. In exchange, you will offer one of them a print of an image you've stolen from a popular artist. Would it be your position that intellectual property theft is a good look for you? That it demonstrates integrity, or respect for artists and their creations? __________ It also seems unlikely that, "Using the exact same methods as Banksy himself", you churned out only a single copy of Rude Copper. Presumably, you are instead sitting on a substantial pile of them (whether it be 50, 250 or 500). If that's correct, is the intention to later sell the other unauthorised prints to punters — like The West Country Prince or similar scummy characters, but one who arrived even later to the party? Here's an idea: Given the potential financial upside, why not pass off the prints as genuine Banksys, and sell them to overly-enthusiastic, uninformed fans? There are plenty of these naive individuals around, including on this message board. And since they often seem truly desperate to acquire a Ban ksy, any Banksy (and to do so right now), they would make for easy pickings. After all, if you're already willing to embrace outright theft in such a public manner, then the additional leap to fraud should not be so difficult for you.
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Who should I look at? (European artist under 1500£), by met on Aug 20, 2020 12:45:50 GMT 1, Hi Everyone, I see hundreds of artworks a day and receive a lot of portfolio from artists. But there are still so much talent out there I don't know about. Especially the ones with a more urban touch. Therefore I ask for inspiration? Which young european artist would you like recommend? Preferably one with an Original painting at around 1500£ or less. I am only interested in Canvas or Paper works Thank you all! ![](https://i.ibb.co/9pGK1JL/J-B-FALS-Instagram1.jpg)
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1. Your forum signature indicates you're a curator.
2. Presumably, you are remunerated for this role.
3. From the above post, my impression is that you're seeking to outsource part of your job to other members here, but without paying them for their research and expertise.
Would this be an accurate assessment of the situation?
Hi Everyone, I see hundreds of artworks a day and receive a lot of portfolio from artists. But there are still so much talent out there I don't know about. Especially the ones with a more urban touch. Therefore I ask for inspiration? Which young european artist would you like recommend? Preferably one with an Original painting at around 1500£ or less. I am only interested in Canvas or Paper works Thank you all! ![](https://i.ibb.co/9pGK1JL/J-B-FALS-Instagram1.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/VlqAnpv.png) 1. Your forum signature indicates you're a curator. 2. Presumably, you are remunerated for this role. 3. From the above post, my impression is that you're seeking to outsource part of your job to other members here, but without paying them for their research and expertise. Would this be an accurate assessment of the situation?
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 20, 2020 0:23:24 GMT 1, ANSWERS: 1) A) Ideas Beyond Borders simply translates books to Arabic and uploads to their site for access. It promotes pluralistic ideas of thinking and allowing to give ideas to parts of the world who censor the citizens from the world outside of their country. B) Author: Steven Pinker Title: Enlightenment Now 2) Example 1.China invests into american films and sell them in China. Although they change little continuity like in Top Gun changes the jacket patches from Taiwanese patch to a Chinese patch. Also in the marvel movie, “Dr.Strange,” changing the Tibetan monk to a Celtic monk to make the Chinese government content. Example 2. Luxor brands have constantly have had to change clothes or state apologies to China. She stated that “Versace or Dolce or Gabbana listed like countries that were in, and it was like Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan .” That made china mad because it was all China. They demanded for them to change it because they know everyone wants access to the Chinese market. They apologized and changed the website. P.S. I researched this more after listening to this. It was actually Versace shirt stating that Hong Kong & Macao as independent countries which upset China very much. This happens with tons of the companies and you can see a lot with one google search. 3) He clearly states he supports freedom of speech but he doesn’t support any kind of supremacy. His whole plan is to more or less infiltrate these groups as becoming close to them. Honestly the best way to portray love and not war. Thank you for letting me enter this contest! I hope these are correct. Either way, I’m happy I learned a lot from this and plan to start listening to all of his podcasts. More people need to enter this as they will have great opportunities for art but also an chance for education!
Thank you for this, @afreefilms.
Based on your existing (undeleted) post count at the time of responding, it looks like you lacked the minimum number of 91 to be an eligible participant*. [This corresponds to at least four tabs being visible (up to 30 posts per tab) when your profile is accessed and someone clicks 'View this member's recent posts.'] From my count, you only had 87 undeleted posts when answering the questions.
Given your clear efforts, however, that requirement will be waived on this occasion. I appreciate there could easily have been good-faith confusion between (a) the number of posts a member has published on the forum (which appears beneath their username), and (b) the number of posts by that member which have not been deleted.
Congratulations on winning the competition.
REFERENCE ANSWERS
1.
1.1 The Ideas Beyond Borders* motto is "Making the Inaccessible, Accessible."
Melissa Chen describes the nonprofit as an organisation that tries to promote pluralistic thinking and exports ideas to part of the world that is often censored. It acquires the rights to books that are not available in the Middle East, translates them into Arabic, and makes them available online to be downloaded free of charge. The organisation also translates Wikipedia pages into Arabic. According to Chen, only 10% of English-language Wikipedia pages exist in Arabic.
In the podcast, Chen says there's a statistic that more books are translated from English to Spanish in one year than have been translated from English to Arabic in a thousand years.
She rhetorically asks whether people would even know what "Orwellian" means if they have never had access to or heard of George Orwell. And how can we expect them to break out of a status-quo mindset when certain words cannot be looked up (like "feminism" or "secularism") because they don't exist in Arabic? When not exposed to different ideas, when living in a monoculture where heavy censorship exists both from your authoritarian government and your religion, "the habits of a free mind are not really cultivated."
Chen: We're not saying, like, this is a top-down thing: “You have to read this.” I just want to live in a world where being ignorant is a choice.
1.2 Title and author: Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker.
Chen: [Abridged and edited.] That was the first book we chose to translate into Arabic. Recently, there were a lot of protests in the Middle East, and we started distributing that book. The person who was coordinating some of the protests was telling us, "We want to get this book out to the people, because a lot of these youths are really jaded, by theocrats in the region, by authoritarianism. And, you know what our religion has never gone through? Not the Reformation, we don't want the Reformation, we want the Enlightenment."
Because the Enlightenment is what constrained Christianity in a way — this idea of the social contract, of eroding absolute monarchy, separating church and state... all of these wonderful innovations came out of the Enlightenment. It promoted this idea that maybe people should be free to have their own conscience and think differently. And that is something that really is needed in the Middle East.
2. Examples of China using its financial muscle to change the behaviour of Americans or American corporations from afar:
(i) Daryl Morey, general manager of the Houston Rockets of the NBA, tweeted in support of the Hong Kong protests in 2019. This was followed by backpedaling from both Morey and the NBA after the outcry and heavy-handed responses from China. Further fallout ensued. Wikipedia* offers a fair summary of the drama.
(ii) In 2019, Versace prostrated itself (along with Coach and Givenchy) in an apology over a t-shirt design that was claimed to undermine Beijing's "One China" policy.* With the Versace design, Hong Kong and Macau had been added to a world-tour-style list of locations, but without mentioning their connection to China. Likewise with Taiwan for the apparel design(s) by one or both of the other brands.
(iii) Marriott issued its own apology to China in 2018:
China’s Cyberspace Administration, the internet watchdog, said the hotelier had “seriously violated national laws and hurt the feelings of the Chinese people” after a customer survey listed Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau as separate countries. The regulator ordered Marriott’s website and booking applications to close for a week.
The company, which operates more than 100 hotels in China, quickly responded with a profuse apology distancing itself from charges of supporting separatist movements.
“Marriott International respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China. We don’t support separatist groups that subvert the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China,” the company said in a statement. “We sincerely apologise for any actions that may have suggested otherwise.”*
(iv) For the Marvel film, Doctor Strange (2016), one of the original characters was changed, apparently to appease the Chinese government — from a male Tibetan monk to the female Celtic monk played by Tilda Swinton.
(v) In Top Gun (1986), Tom Cruise's character had a leather jacket with multiple patches stitched on it, including the flags of Taiwan and Japan. But in the sequel Top Gun: Maverick (2021), which is partly produced by a Chinese film distributor and production company, those flag patches have mysteriously disappeared.
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The following articles and posts may be of interest to those who wish to read more on the subject of censorship / self-censorship and kowtowing to China:
- BBC (6 August 2020): Hollywood censors films to appease China, report* suggests*
- The New York Times (16 July 2020): Barr Urges U.S. Companies to Resist Serving as ‘Pawns’ for China*
- The Washington Post (11 October 2019): How China gets American companies to parrot its propaganda*
- The Federalist (10 October 2019): 14 Times American Companies Self-Censored Or Apologized To Appease Communist China*
- Reddit (circa October 2019): List of companies under China's censorship orders (so far)*
As an art-related side note, the post below by KAWS, regarding his Krusty the Clown / Mao piece, is worth a read. To my mind, it was both a smart business move and evidence of moral cowardice.
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3. New Jersey Antifa calling Daryl Davis a neo-Nazi was cretinous in itself, but also demonstrates the dangers of black-and-white thinking.
That accusation was an extreme, single-direction version of the (already reckless) presumption of guilt by association. It exemplified the "political one-drop rule" that Melissa Chen spoke about: Even if you associate and speak with a whole range of people, i.e. a normal distribution that includes individuals whose opinions you disagree with, you will still be tainted by the most right-wing person of that group.
The TEDx talk below offers a good summary of Davis's mindset and process, and what he has actually achieved by speaking with and listening to those who hold views different to his own.
Why I, as a black man, attend KKK rallies. | Daryl Davis | TEDxNaperville [18:52] - uploaded by TEDx Talks on 8 December 2017
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@afreefilms — Although your cookies are secured, a bonus task is available as well.
If you choose to complete it, and do so by 20:00 UK time on Sunday, 23 August (plenty of time), you'll win extra prizes: a vintage, collectible art postcard and one of my favourite books.
In the short clip below, Melissa Chen mentions the encroaching tyranny of China, especially digital tyranny in all forms: mass surveillance, the collecting of facial scans, and other uses of AI (in addition to the selling of that technology to other authoritarian states).
She also refers to UN joint statements condemning China's human rights violations and abuses in its treatment of the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang*. Paradoxically, the signatories were nations often accused of being Islamophobic (the USA, many European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan) — whereas the likes of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Algeria actually chose to side with China on the issue.
Should We Be Worried About a Hot War with China? [4:57] - uploaded by JRE Clips on 14 February 2020
With a quick YouTube search, one finds plenty of news reports regarding China's surveillance society and digital dictatorship. These come from multiple sources such as Australia's ABC-TV (Foreign Correspondent), The Wall Street Journal, BBC News, and VICE News.
Among the selection available, find a video you consider balanced and informative, which covers both China's surveillance technology generally and the extreme use of that technology in Xinjiang. Then post your chosen video for others to watch in this thread.
ANSWERS: 1) A) Ideas Beyond Borders simply translates books to Arabic and uploads to their site for access. It promotes pluralistic ideas of thinking and allowing to give ideas to parts of the world who censor the citizens from the world outside of their country. B) Author: Steven Pinker Title: Enlightenment Now 2) Example 1.China invests into american films and sell them in China. Although they change little continuity like in Top Gun changes the jacket patches from Taiwanese patch to a Chinese patch. Also in the marvel movie, “Dr.Strange,” changing the Tibetan monk to a Celtic monk to make the Chinese government content. Example 2. Luxor brands have constantly have had to change clothes or state apologies to China. She stated that “Versace or Dolce or Gabbana listed like countries that were in, and it was like Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan .” That made china mad because it was all China. They demanded for them to change it because they know everyone wants access to the Chinese market. They apologized and changed the website. P.S. I researched this more after listening to this. It was actually Versace shirt stating that Hong Kong & Macao as independent countries which upset China very much. This happens with tons of the companies and you can see a lot with one google search. 3) He clearly states he supports freedom of speech but he doesn’t support any kind of supremacy. His whole plan is to more or less infiltrate these groups as becoming close to them. Honestly the best way to portray love and not war. Thank you for letting me enter this contest! I hope these are correct. Either way, I’m happy I learned a lot from this and plan to start listening to all of his podcasts. More people need to enter this as they will have great opportunities for art but also an chance for education! Thank you for this, @afreefilms. Based on your existing (undeleted) post count at the time of responding, it looks like you lacked the minimum number of 91 to be an eligible participant *. [This corresponds to at least four tabs being visible (up to 30 posts per tab) when your profile is accessed and someone clicks 'View this member's recent posts.'] From my count, you only had 87 undeleted posts when answering the questions. Given your clear efforts, however, that requirement will be waived on this occasion. I appreciate there could easily have been good-faith confusion between (a) the number of posts a member has published on the forum (which appears beneath their username), and (b) the number of posts by that member which have not been deleted. Congratulations on winning the competition. REFERENCE ANSWERS1.1.1 The Ideas Beyond Borders* motto is "Making the Inaccessible, Accessible." Melissa Chen describes the nonprofit as an organisation that tries to promote pluralistic thinking and exports ideas to part of the world that is often censored. It acquires the rights to books that are not available in the Middle East, translates them into Arabic, and makes them available online to be downloaded free of charge. The organisation also translates Wikipedia pages into Arabic. According to Chen, only 10% of English-language Wikipedia pages exist in Arabic. In the podcast, Chen says there's a statistic that more books are translated from English to Spanish in one year than have been translated from English to Arabic in a thousand years. She rhetorically asks whether people would even know what "Orwellian" means if they have never had access to or heard of George Orwell. And how can we expect them to break out of a status-quo mindset when certain words cannot be looked up (like "feminism" or "secularism") because they don't exist in Arabic? When not exposed to different ideas, when living in a monoculture where heavy censorship exists both from your authoritarian government and your religion, "the habits of a free mind are not really cultivated."Chen: We're not saying, like, this is a top-down thing: “You have to read this.” I just want to live in a world where being ignorant is a choice.1.2 Title and author: Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker. Chen: [Abridged and edited.] That was the first book we chose to translate into Arabic. Recently, there were a lot of protests in the Middle East, and we started distributing that book. The person who was coordinating some of the protests was telling us, "We want to get this book out to the people, because a lot of these youths are really jaded, by theocrats in the region, by authoritarianism. And, you know what our religion has never gone through? Not the Reformation, we don't want the Reformation, we want the Enlightenment."
Because the Enlightenment is what constrained Christianity in a way — this idea of the social contract, of eroding absolute monarchy, separating church and state... all of these wonderful innovations came out of the Enlightenment. It promoted this idea that maybe people should be free to have their own conscience and think differently. And that is something that really is needed in the Middle East.2. Examples of China using its financial muscle to change the behaviour of Americans or American corporations from afar: (i) Daryl Morey, general manager of the Houston Rockets of the NBA, tweeted in support of the Hong Kong protests in 2019. This was followed by backpedaling from both Morey and the NBA after the outcry and heavy-handed responses from China. Further fallout ensued. Wikipedia * offers a fair summary of the drama. (ii) In 2019, Versace prostrated itself (along with Coach and Givenchy) in an apology over a t-shirt design that was claimed to undermine Beijing's "One China" policy. * With the Versace design, Hong Kong and Macau had been added to a world-tour-style list of locations, but without mentioning their connection to China. Likewise with Taiwan for the apparel design(s) by one or both of the other brands. (iii) Marriott issued its own apology to China in 2018: China’s Cyberspace Administration, the internet watchdog, said the hotelier had “seriously violated national laws and hurt the feelings of the Chinese people” after a customer survey listed Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau as separate countries. The regulator ordered Marriott’s website and booking applications to close for a week.
The company, which operates more than 100 hotels in China, quickly responded with a profuse apology distancing itself from charges of supporting separatist movements.
“Marriott International respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China. We don’t support separatist groups that subvert the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China,” the company said in a statement. “We sincerely apologise for any actions that may have suggested otherwise.”*(iv) For the Marvel film, Doctor Strange (2016), one of the original characters was changed, apparently to appease the Chinese government — from a male Tibetan monk to the female Celtic monk played by Tilda Swinton. (v) In Top Gun (1986), Tom Cruise's character had a leather jacket with multiple patches stitched on it, including the flags of Taiwan and Japan. But in the sequel Top Gun: Maverick (2021), which is partly produced by a Chinese film distributor and production company, those flag patches have mysteriously disappeared. ![](https://i.imgur.com/WYr3YJx.jpg) The following articles and posts may be of interest to those who wish to read more on the subject of censorship / self-censorship and kowtowing to China: - BBC (6 August 2020): Hollywood censors films to appease China, report* suggests*- The New York Times (16 July 2020): Barr Urges U.S. Companies to Resist Serving as ‘Pawns’ for China*- The Washington Post (11 October 2019): How China gets American companies to parrot its propaganda*- The Federalist (10 October 2019): 14 Times American Companies Self-Censored Or Apologized To Appease Communist China*- Reddit (circa October 2019): List of companies under China's censorship orders (so far)*As an art-related side note, the post below by KAWS, regarding his Krusty the Clown / Mao piece, is worth a read. To my mind, it was both a smart business move and evidence of moral cowardice. 3. New Jersey Antifa calling Daryl Davis a neo-Nazi was cretinous in itself, but also demonstrates the dangers of black-and-white thinking. That accusation was an extreme, single-direction version of the (already reckless) presumption of guilt by association. It exemplified the "political one-drop rule" that Melissa Chen spoke about: Even if you associate and speak with a whole range of people, i.e. a normal distribution that includes individuals whose opinions you disagree with, you will still be tainted by the most right-wing person of that group. The TEDx talk below offers a good summary of Davis's mindset and process, and what he has actually achieved by speaking with and listening to those who hold views different to his own. Why I, as a black man, attend KKK rallies. | Daryl Davis | TEDxNaperville [18:52]- uploaded by TEDx Talks on 8 December 2017__________ @afreefilms — Although your cookies are secured, a bonus task is available as well. If you choose to complete it, and do so by 20:00 UK time on Sunday, 23 August (plenty of time), you'll win extra prizes: a vintage, collectible art postcard and one of my favourite books. In the short clip below, Melissa Chen mentions the encroaching tyranny of China, especially digital tyranny in all forms: mass surveillance, the collecting of facial scans, and other uses of AI (in addition to the selling of that technology to other authoritarian states). She also refers to UN joint statements condemning China's human rights violations and abuses in its treatment of the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang*. Paradoxically, the signatories were nations often accused of being Islamophobic (the USA, many European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan) — whereas the likes of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Algeria actually chose to side with China on the issue. Should We Be Worried About a Hot War with China? [4:57]- uploaded by JRE Clips on 14 February 2020With a quick You Tube search, one finds plenty of news reports regarding China's surveillance society and digital dictatorship. These come from multiple sources such as Australia's ABC-TV ( Foreign Correspondent), The Wall Street Journal, BBC News, and VICE News. Among the selection available, find a video you consider balanced and informative, which covers both China's surveillance technology generally and the extreme use of that technology in Xinjiang. Then post your chosen video for others to watch in this thread.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Aug 17, 2020 20:00:00 GMT 1, Joe Rogan Experience #1427 - Melissa Chen- uploaded by PowerfulJRE on 14 February 2020Melissa Chen is the NY editor for Spectator USA and the managing director of Ideas Beyond Borders.www.ideasbeyondborders.orgtwitter.com/MsMelChen__________ ![](https://i.imgur.com/J70Xqrm.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/cW3BbqW.jpg) __________ ![](https://i.imgur.com/LuCbseZ.jpg) ________________ At around 20:00 UK time on Monday 17 August, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first member to answer correctly, wins.
QUESTIONS
1. [00:00—20:00, and 1:00:00—1:15:00] Melissa Chen is the managing director of Ideas Beyond Borders. With reasonable specificity, describe what this nonprofit does. In addition, state the title and author of the first book that Ideas Beyond Borders worked with.
2. [20:00—50:00] Chen refers to some of the unfair practices China has used to enrich itself to the detriment of the US, including intellectual property theft, corporate espionage, even corruption of academia. Regarding the latter, she hints at the potential national-security or economic implications for the US.
Chen also mentions cases where China has flexed its financial might to change the behaviour of Americans or American corporations from afar. No bullets necessary, just money. Cite two of the examples she gives.
3. [50:00—1:00:00] The musician Daryl Davis is discussed in the podcast as having been accused of being a neo-Nazi by New Jersey Antifa. Post a video featuring either an interview with or a talk by Davis to demonstrate how idiotic that accusation is.
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This competition will remain open to all eligible members* until a winner emerges.
Regrettably, I have to step away from my laptop now, but will be back online tomorrow in the early afternoon UK time to check any answers. Apologies for this time lag.
Joe Rogan Experience #1427 - Melissa Chen- uploaded by PowerfulJRE on 14 February 2020Melissa Chen is the NY editor for Spectator USA and the managing director of Ideas Beyond Borders.www.ideasbeyondborders.orgtwitter.com/MsMelChen__________ ![](https://i.imgur.com/J70Xqrm.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/cW3BbqW.jpg) __________ ![](https://i.imgur.com/LuCbseZ.jpg) ________________ At around 20:00 UK time on Monday 17 August, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first member to answer correctly, wins. QUESTIONS1. [00:00—20:00, and 1:00:00—1:15:00] Melissa Chen is the managing director of Ideas Beyond Borders. With reasonable specificity, describe what this nonprofit does. In addition, state the title and author of the first book that Ideas Beyond Borders worked with. 2. [20:00—50:00] Chen refers to some of the unfair practices China has used to enrich itself to the detriment of the US, including intellectual property theft, corporate espionage, even corruption of academia. Regarding the latter, she hints at the potential national-security or economic implications for the US. Chen also mentions cases where China has flexed its financial might to change the behaviour of Americans or American corporations from afar. No bullets necessary, just money. Cite two of the examples she gives. 3. [50:00—1:00:00] The musician Daryl Davis is discussed in the podcast as having been accused of being a neo-Nazi by New Jersey Antifa. Post a video featuring either an interview with or a talk by Davis to demonstrate how idiotic that accusation is. ________________ This competition will remain open to all eligible members* until a winner emerges. Regrettably, I have to step away from my laptop now, but will be back online tomorrow in the early afternoon UK time to check any answers. Apologies for this time lag.
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