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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by terryrobinson on Feb 22, 2008 20:29:58 GMT 1, The clue was always there; Roger "verbal" Kint aka Kyza Soze from the usual suspects.
"the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
The clue was always there; Roger "verbal" Kint aka Kyza Soze from the usual suspects.
"the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by loucastel on Feb 22, 2008 20:31:10 GMT 1, The clue was always there; Roger "verbal" Kint aka Kyza Soze from the usual suspects. "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" Hindsight is a wondefull thing!!
The clue was always there; Roger "verbal" Kint aka Kyza Soze from the usual suspects. "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" Hindsight is a wondefull thing!!
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by chrisps303 on Feb 22, 2008 20:32:20 GMT 1, Ive been reading the other charity thread since it started and i have to agree with what everybody is saying, harveyn you should feel no guilt as i feel you are utterly blameless and have done more than i could have put up with. The only person who looks bad in this is verbalkint. Lets hope karma works and verbal gets a taste of his own medicine.
Ive been reading the other charity thread since it started and i have to agree with what everybody is saying, harveyn you should feel no guilt as i feel you are utterly blameless and have done more than i could have put up with. The only person who looks bad in this is verbalkint. Lets hope karma works and verbal gets a taste of his own medicine.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Harveyn on Feb 22, 2008 20:55:58 GMT 1, Helen @ Bluebell informed me today that they are having an internal meeting early next week about this. I will report back with the outcome of that meeting as soon as I can.
Helen @ Bluebell informed me today that they are having an internal meeting early next week about this. I will report back with the outcome of that meeting as soon as I can.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by ร
gentรacardi on Feb 22, 2008 21:00:38 GMT 1, Helen @ Bluebell informed me today that they are having an internal meeting early next week about this. I will report back with the outcome of that meeting as soon as I can.
Please do.
I am truly, seriously, and thoroughly enraged.
I am so sorry for everything you've been through, Neil. I wish I could do much more than just feeling bad for you.
Helen @ Bluebell informed me today that they are having an internal meeting early next week about this. I will report back with the outcome of that meeting as soon as I can. Please do. I am truly, seriously, and thoroughly enraged. I am so sorry for everything you've been through, Neil. I wish I could do much more than just feeling bad for you.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 22, 2008 21:02:48 GMT 1, Can anyone answer my earlier question? Stunned by the whole thing to be honest.
Can anyone answer my earlier question? Stunned by the whole thing to be honest.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by top on Feb 22, 2008 21:15:25 GMT 1, Personally I think the police should be told. By the way I would echo the comments above. I've exchanged numerous emails and pms with Harveyn about this. He has been an absolute star throughout. No blame at all can be attached to either Harveyn or Silky for this mess - it is all down to verbal.
I expect that Bluebell will take matters into their own hands now..
Personally I think the police should be told. By the way I would echo the comments above. I've exchanged numerous emails and pms with Harveyn about this. He has been an absolute star throughout. No blame at all can be attached to either Harveyn or Silky for this mess - it is all down to verbal. I expect that Bluebell will take matters into their own hands now..
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by funster on Feb 22, 2008 22:34:55 GMT 1, If there's any way we can get the items back I don't mind going up with another forum member, properly recording what we've picked up and getting them over to Harveyn or returning them to the person who donated the item in the first place. I know Verbal's up in Yorkshire and I'm in Southampton but I'm happy to do it and pay for all the involved costs because I think this is just outrageous and totally non-reflective of this forum and its average member.
If there's any way we can get the items back I don't mind going up with another forum member, properly recording what we've picked up and getting them over to Harveyn or returning them to the person who donated the item in the first place. I know Verbal's up in Yorkshire and I'm in Southampton but I'm happy to do it and pay for all the involved costs because I think this is just outrageous and totally non-reflective of this forum and its average member.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by paulypaul on Feb 22, 2008 23:06:44 GMT 1, Fuck this shit. Let's just go round, surge the cunt, bite his fucking face off and take the shit back...
As it happens I'm in Leeds next Thursday... Where in God's Own County (I'm an atheist but no there are no other words to describe it) is the stone that this villainous, pointless piece of shit is hiding under located?
Ah, love it! I may have grown into a namby pamby, leftwing Guardian reading ponce, but it's good to let the beast out now and then....
Fuck this shit. Let's just go round, surge the cunt, bite his fucking face off and take the shit back...
As it happens I'm in Leeds next Thursday... Where in God's Own County (I'm an atheist but no there are no other words to describe it) is the stone that this villainous, pointless piece of shit is hiding under located?
Ah, love it! I may have grown into a namby pamby, leftwing Guardian reading ponce, but it's good to let the beast out now and then....
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by gozgoz on Feb 23, 2008 2:06:53 GMT 1, wow! u said Fuck!
wow! u said Fuck!
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by gozgoz on Feb 23, 2008 2:07:18 GMT 1, how did u say fuck!
im saying it fuck!
fuck!
but it aint working! fuck!
how did u say fuck!
im saying it fuck!
fuck!
but it aint working! fuck!
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by carl on Feb 23, 2008 6:57:09 GMT 1, Can anyone answer my earlier question? Stunned by the whole thing to be honest.
I would guess it was a lie. I was wondering about that.
Can anyone answer my earlier question? Stunned by the whole thing to be honest. I would guess it was a lie. I was wondering about that.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Run Pig Run on Feb 23, 2008 10:50:21 GMT 1, Can anyone answer my earlier question? Stunned by the whole thing to be honest. I would guess it was a lie. I was wondering about that.
yeah no wonder the money couldn't go directly to the kids on the ward.......there was no ward.
Can anyone answer my earlier question? Stunned by the whole thing to be honest. I would guess it was a lie. I was wondering about that. yeah no wonder the money couldn't go directly to the kids on the ward.......there was no ward.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 23, 2008 11:20:46 GMT 1, I would guess it was a lie. I was wondering about that. yeah no wonder the money couldn't go directly to the kids on the ward.......there was no ward.
If that is the case, that is very sad.
I would guess it was a lie. I was wondering about that. yeah no wonder the money couldn't go directly to the kids on the ward.......there was no ward. If that is the case, that is very sad.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by seidbereit on Feb 23, 2008 11:26:49 GMT 1, Let's not be presumptious folks... the opener for the auctions was (IIRC) Verbal saying his child had been helped by Bluebell. I'm pretty certain that if this was not true, or if Bluebell had no knowledge of Verbal having a child in their care at any stage, then they'd have come forward long before now to question his motives if the ones he stated were false.
At ease with the pitchforks.
Let's not be presumptious folks... the opener for the auctions was (IIRC) Verbal saying his child had been helped by Bluebell. I'm pretty certain that if this was not true, or if Bluebell had no knowledge of Verbal having a child in their care at any stage, then they'd have come forward long before now to question his motives if the ones he stated were false.
At ease with the pitchforks.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 23, 2008 11:28:02 GMT 1, Hey mate
That is what I thought and I hope you are right, I'd be stunned if that bit wasn't true but who knows.
Hey mate
That is what I thought and I hope you are right, I'd be stunned if that bit wasn't true but who knows.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by thwaites on Feb 23, 2008 11:41:16 GMT 1, Really shocked and sorry to hear about how this has turned out. Agree Harveyn has been a star and notitle and I just want to add our thanks to him for everything he has done. We are really sorry for what you have been through and hope this all works out and most importantly the charity receives what was promised to them.
Really shocked and sorry to hear about how this has turned out. Agree Harveyn has been a star and notitle and I just want to add our thanks to him for everything he has done. We are really sorry for what you have been through and hope this all works out and most importantly the charity receives what was promised to them.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by curiousgeorge on Feb 23, 2008 12:00:24 GMT 1, Let's not be presumptious folks... the opener for the auctions was (IIRC) Verbal saying his child had been helped by Bluebell. I'm pretty certain that if this was not true, or if Bluebell had no knowledge of Verbal having a child in their care at any stage, then they'd have come forward long before now to question his motives if the ones he stated were false. At ease with the pitchforks.
What he said!!, also let's not forgot 3k ish has already been handed over. Just hope all this mess is down to very poor communication. Not to stick up for anyone, but just to remind two sides to every story, and so far we have one side( which does look bad)
Let's not be presumptious folks... the opener for the auctions was (IIRC) Verbal saying his child had been helped by Bluebell. I'm pretty certain that if this was not true, or if Bluebell had no knowledge of Verbal having a child in their care at any stage, then they'd have come forward long before now to question his motives if the ones he stated were false. At ease with the pitchforks. What he said!!, also let's not forgot 3k ish has already been handed over. Just hope all this mess is down to very poor communication. Not to stick up for anyone, but just to remind two sides to every story, and so far we have one side( which does look bad)
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Harveyn on Feb 23, 2008 12:32:18 GMT 1, curiousgeorge
You are quite right to state that there are two sides to every story. Clearly you are referring to my side as opposed to his. I would like to think that I have not taken or created sides or this issue. I thought I had taken a fairly neutral stance with all things considered and please remember I have continuously defended and encouraged this guy in the public domain.
I think I have been more than fair with respect to Chris's side having quoted mails from both of us. Remember my mails were under instruction from Bluebell.
I have never commented or questioned whether Chris had a sick child or not. It has never been mentioned in any conversation I have had with him or Bluebell. I do not have an opinion with respect to this matter.
With respect to his past please remember I have stated in this thread already the following
Whilst I have not enjoyed dealing with Chris on a personal level I would add that I genuinely do not believe that he is repeating previous misdemeanors.
I am not sure why I am sticking up for the guy given the way he has behaved but I do think that his failings with respect to this charity fundraiser are more to do with attitude, approach and organizational skills. His past is his past.
I do not think I can be any fairer.
curiousgeorge
You are quite right to state that there are two sides to every story. Clearly you are referring to my side as opposed to his. I would like to think that I have not taken or created sides or this issue. I thought I had taken a fairly neutral stance with all things considered and please remember I have continuously defended and encouraged this guy in the public domain.
I think I have been more than fair with respect to Chris's side having quoted mails from both of us. Remember my mails were under instruction from Bluebell.
I have never commented or questioned whether Chris had a sick child or not. It has never been mentioned in any conversation I have had with him or Bluebell. I do not have an opinion with respect to this matter.
With respect to his past please remember I have stated in this thread already the following
Whilst I have not enjoyed dealing with Chris on a personal level I would add that I genuinely do not believe that he is repeating previous misdemeanors.
I am not sure why I am sticking up for the guy given the way he has behaved but I do think that his failings with respect to this charity fundraiser are more to do with attitude, approach and organizational skills. His past is his past.
I do not think I can be any fairer.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Octopus UK on Feb 23, 2008 12:51:52 GMT 1, What he said!!, also let's not forgot 3k ish has already been handed over. Just hope all this mess is down to very poor communication. Not to stick up for anyone, but just to remind two sides to every story, and so far we have one side( which does look bad)
It would be interesting to hear Verbal's side but so far nothing is forth coming.
I'm in Leeds and more than happy to bring my insubstantial pitchfolk to any local gatherings (it's how we do things up here). Reading the Sun article, it would appear he's based in Rotherham.
What he said!!, also let's not forgot 3k ish has already been handed over. Just hope all this mess is down to very poor communication. Not to stick up for anyone, but just to remind two sides to every story, and so far we have one side( which does look bad) It would be interesting to hear Verbal's side but so far nothing is forth coming. I'm in Leeds and more than happy to bring my insubstantial pitchfolk to any local gatherings (it's how we do things up here). Reading the Sun article, it would appear he's based in Rotherham.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by curiousgeorge on Feb 23, 2008 13:59:52 GMT 1, Harveyn
Sorry if that came across wrong, i have no doubts whatsoever that you behaved in nothing but a forthright professional manner. Did not mean to suggest you may have a 'version' of events and Verbal another.
It was more in response into people reading about his past and then stating opinions, I myself made some wrong choices in the long distant past, and i would be very angry for people to use that against me.
If however history is repeating itself, then poke him with the pitchfork
Harveyn Sorry if that came across wrong, i have no doubts whatsoever that you behaved in nothing but a forthright professional manner. Did not mean to suggest you may have a 'version' of events and Verbal another. It was more in response into people reading about his past and then stating opinions, I myself made some wrong choices in the long distant past, and i would be very angry for people to use that against me. If however history is repeating itself, then poke him with the pitchfork
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Harveyn on Feb 23, 2008 14:11:06 GMT 1, I agree CG.
I firmly believe his past is his past and that this mess does not relate to that matter.
I agree CG.
I firmly believe his past is his past and that this mess does not relate to that matter.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Strange Al on Feb 23, 2008 14:21:53 GMT 1, I agree CG. I firmly believe his past is his past and that this mess does not relate to that matter.
Harveyn - as others have commented, much respect to you for the amount of time and effort you've put in trying to sort out this mess. And, moreover, the reasoned and level headed manner in which you've approached the whole issue. You've been a gent throughout!
Lets hope Verbal comes to appreciate the grace he's been shown and makes this right!
I agree CG. I firmly believe his past is his past and that this mess does not relate to that matter. Harveyn - as others have commented, much respect to you for the amount of time and effort you've put in trying to sort out this mess. And, moreover, the reasoned and level headed manner in which you've approached the whole issue. You've been a gent throughout! Lets hope Verbal comes to appreciate the grace he's been shown and makes this right!
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Coach on Feb 23, 2008 14:59:36 GMT 1, you have nothing but my respect harveyn
you have nothing but my respect harveyn
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by verbalkint on Mar 1, 2008 9:47:31 GMT 1, Please note that I have finally had enough with respect to last years charidee. I do apologize but I have informed Helen at Bluebell that it is now up to them how they want to proceed. I have one piece of work that was donated by Frankie @ Campbarbossa which I will auction and send the money directly to Bluebell. I have tried my best to get these auctions run smoothly and efficiently. I have found myself being the buffer between the outside world and Verbal and his communications with me have been as poor, abrupt and infrequent as they have with them. I ensured with the help of Bluebell that the first lot of monies owed was paid and I can assure you that was not easy. Apparently over ยฃ3000 worth of auctions have not been paid. I have been unable to substantiate these facts as Verbal refuses to let me know which auctions have been concluded successfully. All I can add is that a number of people have contacted myself and Bluebell to complain about payments made, no communication as to how to make payments and every other type of imaginable failure. This has lead to paypal disputes, paypal account closures and complete and utter chaos. I have attached the last communication I received from Verbal today and my response. I do this as a last resort and so the people who have donated art or won auctions can decide how to proceed for themselves. I have highlighted the comments that have lead to my decision to remove myself from this process. I think you will understand. I am not prepared to be threatened. Verbals email today"I will not ship any items to you. You can pick them up. That way you will know what has been sent and what has not. I have never sent you an abusive email or spoke to you in an abusive way. I emailed every single person at the end of the last set of auctions and explained that paypal was no longer an option. Is it my fault that payPal closed my account and robbed me of 27k? This is the way it will be neil (I really do not know why you feel you can boss me around or why you feel this is your endevour and I am your subordinate, but I am the boss, I am in charge, not you. Make as many demands as you like neil, and threaten whatever you like, but the simple fact is that you are in no position to demand anything of me, we have no contract, no agreements. This endeavour was my idea, and therefore I am in charge, not you.If you want to collect the rest of the lots and auction them then be my guest, but you will do it at your expense. As for the re listed item, I will tarethe cheque up unless he retracts the negative feedback he left. My london address is registered on that ebay account, so he could have sent a cheque weeks ago. If you want to sell the items I will officially wash my hands of the whole thing, pay any outstanding monies to helen (like I did last time and was called a liar and put through hell because of their incompetence) there is about 400 outstanding from me and about 3000 unpaid items. Alternatively, I have the week off and can list all the items and instruct people to pay the cash into your paypal account or send you a cheque. You will owe me a tenner or 20 for each item to post them. To close neil, you are not in charge, you have no right to demand anything of me and I really am looking forward to you getting into the legalities of this situation, because I have and to cut a long story short, you are nothing in this situation. Your involvement is at my pleasure, not yours. Don't push me neil, you were rude to my family and if you really want to see what happens when my utter contempt for you explodes then I suggest you continue with this 'hostile takeover'. All I have to do is sell the items and give the money to bluebell, I can do this at my leisure and in whatever way I choose. If the individual donors want their unlisted items back they can request them from me and I will gladly return them. I never appointed you MD of these auctions, you appointed yourself, as far as this auction goes, I am your boss and you bloody well know it, so you don't tell me anything neil, I tell you what to do. Understand?Now I am happy to keep you involved as you selflessly gave your time and have amazing organisation skills, but I am telling you neil, do not think you have any authority over me, either morally or legally and if you wish to communicate with me you will do so with respect. Absolutely seriously" My response today"Dear Chris I have copied Helen from Bluebell on this mail so she and Bluebell can witness your response. I am officially bowing out of this process. I have no wish to be involved any further. I will post your response on the forum along with my retort. This is necessary so people can understand what has happened. From day one you informed the forum that you were auctioning a diamond for charity so people could bid for a very good cause. Several members offered to donate a few things and I suggested we run an auction of pieces donated from galleries, artists and members. I then apologized to you for lumbering you with this work load and offered to run the auction. You said you would be more than happy to run it and I could help on the organizational side. I had no wish to make a hostile takeover and it is your poor communication with countless people that has lead to this predicament. For you information and as stated very clearly in my communications it is Bluebell that will take further action and not myself. I have never once been rude to your family and it is your abrupt responses and use of profanities in the past that I alluded to. You may not find this abusive but I do and it is not how I conduct myself." Regards
I just feel it is only fair that i put forward my side of things in this situation. First of all, i agree that i am not an organized person, i never have been and probably never will be. I also know that i can be tough to deal with, i fully accept my faults and know that i am far from blameless in this situation.
But neil, if you want to be really fair about things, why not post the email i was replying to. The simple fact is that 11 of the last 14 items have not been paid for so there is no way on earth that i am going to list the rest and have to chase all the payments. You made matters impossible by putting up the grand total as the auctions ended, but if people do not pay, then that is not the total is it?
As for saying that the first payment to bluebell was a 'nightmare', you are a god damn lying piece of s**t and you f**king know it. How dare you. I wired the money on the tuesday evening, paid ยฃ25 CHAPPS transfer fee out of my own pocket so it would get there for wednesday morning. For the next 5 days myself and my family endured nothing but hassle from you saying i had not sent the money, and then after sending the proof by post to helen she went to the finance dept and realised it had been there all along from the wednesday morning when it was supposed to have been there. So saying it was a nightmare is absolute bollocks. It arrived EXACTLY on time. The real nightmare was having you talking down to me for 5 days when i knew i had sent the cash, and you didnt even have the decency to apologise to me.
And lets not forget that blissful friday when you called my father and spoke to him like he was a piece of s**t and then had the balls to lie to me about what you said to him (you see he recorded the call neil, you told so many lies to him about what was suppost to be happening on this forum and then when i asked you about it 4 hours later you said that you never said those things) I DONT KNOW IF YOU PEOPLE KNOW, I HAVE NOT READ THE POSTS ON THIS, BUT I HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD FOR FRAUD, THE INCIDENT DATES BACK TO 2003, THOUGH I WAS CONVICTED IN 2005. I WENT TO PRISON AND DID MY TIME, GOT OFF THE DRUGS (WHICH HAD BEEN THE CAUSE OF MY CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR) STARTED A FAMILY AND SINGLE HANDEDLY CREATED 2 BUSINESES. This whole charity thing, though not initially intended felt like a good way to do something nice, i am not proud of my past, but i am not a bad person. Anyway, neil found out i had a record for fraud and called helen at bluebell w3hich really didnt make for a good situation (though i understand his reasons) Now a lot of my business is done on the phone to japan, australia, india and parts of africa, so i stay up and work all night and usually sleep in the day. So on this particular day, because neil could not reach me he caled my Dad. Now obviously having seen his son make a sucess of himself, the last thing my dad wanted was for the past to be dragged up, so when neil asked him if i had a record he said no. Neil then called him a liar and threatened to call the sun newspaper to find out if the story was true and tell them about this current fundraiser. My mother was, at the time, recovering from womb cancer and is a natural born worrier anyway. neil, you caused my parents untold greif that day, you lied to my dad saying that it was all over these boards, that the story was going to appear in the sun (i have the caonversation as the asnswer machine kicked in and recorded it all) Now what i cannot understand is how you can panic like that 3 years down the line? You are technologically capable, you could see that i was selling ยฃ100,000 a month in diamonds with huge profit margins, did you really need to cause a panic? I dont think you did
I find it interesting that you have put some of my email in red highlights, but have omitted half of it as well as your original message to me. For the people who are involved in this and have donated works, if you want them back, you can have them. just ask, i really dont mind. For those of you who can remember i never intended for anyone to send me anything, i simply stated that i would be selling a dan baldwin vase and giving the money to charity, then some people with very big hearts decided to donate some of their own things which was amazing. I was buzzing at the start, i really wanted to raise a lot of money for a good cause and that is all i wanted to do (neil became a charity fundraiser and a moderater, he suggested i do the same, i declined. I only mention this as it shows that he was on a bit of a power trip from the start). To say i was overwhelmed by the generosity of the forum is an understatement. Neil offered his services and i gratefully accepted, he organised the promised items into lots, with pictures and all the info of each item too, He must have given hours and hours of his time and for that i am genuinely grateful. At the same time i have 2 businesses to run, both of which take a lot more running up to the christmas period and one which takes an even bigger hit up to the valentines period. I tried to list the items a few at a time so i wouldnt be over awed at a critical time for my livleyhood. During the last set of listings paypal did to me what it has done to so many others in the past. It bent me over and stuck a plank of wood up my arse, so i was unable to accept paypal as a payment. Yes, i agree that this caused overseas bidders problems, but i did write to every single bidder and assure them that if they could not pay, there would be no non payment strikes left or such like.
I heard nothing from neil at all, no calls, no emails. nothing for over a month and then he writes with a several point bulliten of demands for me to comply to. He said that 'no further negotiations or discussions will be entered into and if you call me i will not answer the phone. (and you say that i am a bad communicator!!) The tone of his email was degrogatery to put it very mildly. His basic message was 'I say jump, you say how high, do you understand you silly little boy'. Now i appreciate that neil is a business owner, apparantly commands a staff of 100+ employees and thinks this enables him to talk to people in a certain way, but i am also self employed and i do not let anyone speak to me the way he did. I treat everyone the same, i dont give a crap if you are boyzone or jerry adams, rangers or celtic, a belfast job seeker or a belfast billionaire, its all the same to me. The reason i point this out is that neil made it clear that i had been rude to him and until this message i can assure you that i had been nothing but respectful. You then add as a footnote that 'you may think this is fine, but it is not how i conduct myself'. Well i am sorry mr master of the universe, but i thought that tolerance was the key to society. Coming from where you do i would imagine you realise this point more than most. But if you want to make this into a point, i never harassed your family and i never accused you of being a liar and then didnt even have the manners to apologise when i was proven wrong.
Like i said neil, thank you for your efforts, but the way in which you edited the original post along with neglecting to post your original sickeningly disrespectful heap of filth, mixed with the shocking way in which you spoke to my father (who is, by the way, 10 times the man you will ever be) and the way you lied to me afterwards about it make me realise that the members of this board who clearly believe you to be blameless are utterly wrong
As for me, well for those of you who know me you know the likleyhood of me going to this much trouble to steal a couple of grand is absolutely ridiculous. But if you think that i am going to steal the money then please, ask for your item back through this forum and i will send it special delivery (only items not listed obviously). I guarantee that i will get through the auctions and i guarantee that the items will be sent. As for Helen at bluebell wood, i have not spoke to her since she lost my payment for 5 days, but i am sure that neil has instilled enough panic in her for her to think that i am going to rob dying kids of their money
The people who donated deserve both sides of this story. I personally dont care if you think i am in the right or in the wrong, but neil absolutely refused right from the start to take a back seat and tried to dictate everything and that was never going to work when the art was in my possesion. He had absolutely no right to contact helen at bluebell wood and instill bulls**t fear in her which was absolutely pointless other than to cause me headaches which (apart from the organising page which i have already thanked you for) is all you have done.
Please note that I have finally had enough with respect to last years charidee. I do apologize but I have informed Helen at Bluebell that it is now up to them how they want to proceed. I have one piece of work that was donated by Frankie @ Campbarbossa which I will auction and send the money directly to Bluebell. I have tried my best to get these auctions run smoothly and efficiently. I have found myself being the buffer between the outside world and Verbal and his communications with me have been as poor, abrupt and infrequent as they have with them. I ensured with the help of Bluebell that the first lot of monies owed was paid and I can assure you that was not easy. Apparently over ยฃ3000 worth of auctions have not been paid. I have been unable to substantiate these facts as Verbal refuses to let me know which auctions have been concluded successfully. All I can add is that a number of people have contacted myself and Bluebell to complain about payments made, no communication as to how to make payments and every other type of imaginable failure. This has lead to paypal disputes, paypal account closures and complete and utter chaos. I have attached the last communication I received from Verbal today and my response. I do this as a last resort and so the people who have donated art or won auctions can decide how to proceed for themselves. I have highlighted the comments that have lead to my decision to remove myself from this process. I think you will understand. I am not prepared to be threatened. Verbals email today"I will not ship any items to you. You can pick them up. That way you will know what has been sent and what has not. I have never sent you an abusive email or spoke to you in an abusive way. I emailed every single person at the end of the last set of auctions and explained that paypal was no longer an option. Is it my fault that payPal closed my account and robbed me of 27k? This is the way it will be neil (I really do not know why you feel you can boss me around or why you feel this is your endevour and I am your subordinate, but I am the boss, I am in charge, not you. Make as many demands as you like neil, and threaten whatever you like, but the simple fact is that you are in no position to demand anything of me, we have no contract, no agreements. This endeavour was my idea, and therefore I am in charge, not you.If you want to collect the rest of the lots and auction them then be my guest, but you will do it at your expense. As for the re listed item, I will tarethe cheque up unless he retracts the negative feedback he left. My london address is registered on that ebay account, so he could have sent a cheque weeks ago. If you want to sell the items I will officially wash my hands of the whole thing, pay any outstanding monies to helen (like I did last time and was called a liar and put through hell because of their incompetence) there is about 400 outstanding from me and about 3000 unpaid items. Alternatively, I have the week off and can list all the items and instruct people to pay the cash into your paypal account or send you a cheque. You will owe me a tenner or 20 for each item to post them. To close neil, you are not in charge, you have no right to demand anything of me and I really am looking forward to you getting into the legalities of this situation, because I have and to cut a long story short, you are nothing in this situation. Your involvement is at my pleasure, not yours. Don't push me neil, you were rude to my family and if you really want to see what happens when my utter contempt for you explodes then I suggest you continue with this 'hostile takeover'. All I have to do is sell the items and give the money to bluebell, I can do this at my leisure and in whatever way I choose. If the individual donors want their unlisted items back they can request them from me and I will gladly return them. I never appointed you MD of these auctions, you appointed yourself, as far as this auction goes, I am your boss and you bloody well know it, so you don't tell me anything neil, I tell you what to do. Understand?Now I am happy to keep you involved as you selflessly gave your time and have amazing organisation skills, but I am telling you neil, do not think you have any authority over me, either morally or legally and if you wish to communicate with me you will do so with respect. Absolutely seriously" My response today"Dear Chris I have copied Helen from Bluebell on this mail so she and Bluebell can witness your response. I am officially bowing out of this process. I have no wish to be involved any further. I will post your response on the forum along with my retort. This is necessary so people can understand what has happened. From day one you informed the forum that you were auctioning a diamond for charity so people could bid for a very good cause. Several members offered to donate a few things and I suggested we run an auction of pieces donated from galleries, artists and members. I then apologized to you for lumbering you with this work load and offered to run the auction. You said you would be more than happy to run it and I could help on the organizational side. I had no wish to make a hostile takeover and it is your poor communication with countless people that has lead to this predicament. For you information and as stated very clearly in my communications it is Bluebell that will take further action and not myself. I have never once been rude to your family and it is your abrupt responses and use of profanities in the past that I alluded to. You may not find this abusive but I do and it is not how I conduct myself." Regards I just feel it is only fair that i put forward my side of things in this situation. First of all, i agree that i am not an organized person, i never have been and probably never will be. I also know that i can be tough to deal with, i fully accept my faults and know that i am far from blameless in this situation. But neil, if you want to be really fair about things, why not post the email i was replying to. The simple fact is that 11 of the last 14 items have not been paid for so there is no way on earth that i am going to list the rest and have to chase all the payments. You made matters impossible by putting up the grand total as the auctions ended, but if people do not pay, then that is not the total is it? As for saying that the first payment to bluebell was a 'nightmare', you are a god damn lying piece of s**t and you f**king know it. How dare you. I wired the money on the tuesday evening, paid ยฃ25 CHAPPS transfer fee out of my own pocket so it would get there for wednesday morning. For the next 5 days myself and my family endured nothing but hassle from you saying i had not sent the money, and then after sending the proof by post to helen she went to the finance dept and realised it had been there all along from the wednesday morning when it was supposed to have been there. So saying it was a nightmare is absolute bollocks. It arrived EXACTLY on time. The real nightmare was having you talking down to me for 5 days when i knew i had sent the cash, and you didnt even have the decency to apologise to me. And lets not forget that blissful friday when you called my father and spoke to him like he was a piece of s**t and then had the balls to lie to me about what you said to him (you see he recorded the call neil, you told so many lies to him about what was suppost to be happening on this forum and then when i asked you about it 4 hours later you said that you never said those things) I DONT KNOW IF YOU PEOPLE KNOW, I HAVE NOT READ THE POSTS ON THIS, BUT I HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD FOR FRAUD, THE INCIDENT DATES BACK TO 2003, THOUGH I WAS CONVICTED IN 2005. I WENT TO PRISON AND DID MY TIME, GOT OFF THE DRUGS (WHICH HAD BEEN THE CAUSE OF MY CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR) STARTED A FAMILY AND SINGLE HANDEDLY CREATED 2 BUSINESES. This whole charity thing, though not initially intended felt like a good way to do something nice, i am not proud of my past, but i am not a bad person. Anyway, neil found out i had a record for fraud and called helen at bluebell w3hich really didnt make for a good situation (though i understand his reasons) Now a lot of my business is done on the phone to japan, australia, india and parts of africa, so i stay up and work all night and usually sleep in the day. So on this particular day, because neil could not reach me he caled my Dad. Now obviously having seen his son make a sucess of himself, the last thing my dad wanted was for the past to be dragged up, so when neil asked him if i had a record he said no. Neil then called him a liar and threatened to call the sun newspaper to find out if the story was true and tell them about this current fundraiser. My mother was, at the time, recovering from womb cancer and is a natural born worrier anyway. neil, you caused my parents untold greif that day, you lied to my dad saying that it was all over these boards, that the story was going to appear in the sun (i have the caonversation as the asnswer machine kicked in and recorded it all) Now what i cannot understand is how you can panic like that 3 years down the line? You are technologically capable, you could see that i was selling ยฃ100,000 a month in diamonds with huge profit margins, did you really need to cause a panic? I dont think you did I find it interesting that you have put some of my email in red highlights, but have omitted half of it as well as your original message to me. For the people who are involved in this and have donated works, if you want them back, you can have them. just ask, i really dont mind. For those of you who can remember i never intended for anyone to send me anything, i simply stated that i would be selling a dan baldwin vase and giving the money to charity, then some people with very big hearts decided to donate some of their own things which was amazing. I was buzzing at the start, i really wanted to raise a lot of money for a good cause and that is all i wanted to do (neil became a charity fundraiser and a moderater, he suggested i do the same, i declined. I only mention this as it shows that he was on a bit of a power trip from the start). To say i was overwhelmed by the generosity of the forum is an understatement. Neil offered his services and i gratefully accepted, he organised the promised items into lots, with pictures and all the info of each item too, He must have given hours and hours of his time and for that i am genuinely grateful. At the same time i have 2 businesses to run, both of which take a lot more running up to the christmas period and one which takes an even bigger hit up to the valentines period. I tried to list the items a few at a time so i wouldnt be over awed at a critical time for my livleyhood. During the last set of listings paypal did to me what it has done to so many others in the past. It bent me over and stuck a plank of wood up my arse, so i was unable to accept paypal as a payment. Yes, i agree that this caused overseas bidders problems, but i did write to every single bidder and assure them that if they could not pay, there would be no non payment strikes left or such like. I heard nothing from neil at all, no calls, no emails. nothing for over a month and then he writes with a several point bulliten of demands for me to comply to. He said that 'no further negotiations or discussions will be entered into and if you call me i will not answer the phone. (and you say that i am a bad communicator!!) The tone of his email was degrogatery to put it very mildly. His basic message was 'I say jump, you say how high, do you understand you silly little boy'. Now i appreciate that neil is a business owner, apparantly commands a staff of 100+ employees and thinks this enables him to talk to people in a certain way, but i am also self employed and i do not let anyone speak to me the way he did. I treat everyone the same, i dont give a crap if you are boyzone or jerry adams, rangers or celtic, a belfast job seeker or a belfast billionaire, its all the same to me. The reason i point this out is that neil made it clear that i had been rude to him and until this message i can assure you that i had been nothing but respectful. You then add as a footnote that 'you may think this is fine, but it is not how i conduct myself'. Well i am sorry mr master of the universe, but i thought that tolerance was the key to society. Coming from where you do i would imagine you realise this point more than most. But if you want to make this into a point, i never harassed your family and i never accused you of being a liar and then didnt even have the manners to apologise when i was proven wrong. Like i said neil, thank you for your efforts, but the way in which you edited the original post along with neglecting to post your original sickeningly disrespectful heap of filth, mixed with the shocking way in which you spoke to my father (who is, by the way, 10 times the man you will ever be) and the way you lied to me afterwards about it make me realise that the members of this board who clearly believe you to be blameless are utterly wrong As for me, well for those of you who know me you know the likleyhood of me going to this much trouble to steal a couple of grand is absolutely ridiculous. But if you think that i am going to steal the money then please, ask for your item back through this forum and i will send it special delivery (only items not listed obviously). I guarantee that i will get through the auctions and i guarantee that the items will be sent. As for Helen at bluebell wood, i have not spoke to her since she lost my payment for 5 days, but i am sure that neil has instilled enough panic in her for her to think that i am going to rob dying kids of their money The people who donated deserve both sides of this story. I personally dont care if you think i am in the right or in the wrong, but neil absolutely refused right from the start to take a back seat and tried to dictate everything and that was never going to work when the art was in my possesion. He had absolutely no right to contact helen at bluebell wood and instill bulls**t fear in her which was absolutely pointless other than to cause me headaches which (apart from the organising page which i have already thanked you for) is all you have done.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by verbalkint on Mar 1, 2008 10:18:07 GMT 1, Fu ck this sh it. Let's just go round, surge the cu nt, bite his fuc king face off and take the sh it back... As it happens I'm in Leeds next Thursday... Where in God's Own County (I'm an atheist but no there are no other words to describe it) is the stone that this villainous, pointless piece of s**t is hiding under located? Ah, love it! I may have grown into a namby pamby, leftwing Guardian reading ponce, but it's good to let the beast out now and then....
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I take your comments as an attempt at humour, but if you ever come anywhere near my family i will remove your eyes. I cannot make myself any clearer, and for the record, i am not joking.
Fu ck this sh it. Let's just go round, surge the cu nt, bite his fuc king face off and take the sh it back... As it happens I'm in Leeds next Thursday... Where in God's Own County (I'm an atheist but no there are no other words to describe it) is the stone that this villainous, pointless piece of s**t is hiding under located? Ah, love it! I may have grown into a namby pamby, leftwing Guardian reading ponce, but it's good to let the beast out now and then.... Paulypaul I take your comments as an attempt at humour, but if you ever come anywhere near my family i will remove your eyes. I cannot make myself any clearer, and for the record, i am not joking.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Cocteau 101 on Mar 1, 2008 10:40:44 GMT 1, Fair play Verbal - there are always two sides to the story - people will make their own mind up and it takes a bit of bottle to come on here after the stick you got. It just didn't look good and the reaction somewhat understandable. Regardless of this, I hope you have your life back on track, your family life settled and a brighter future ahead of you.
Fair play Verbal - there are always two sides to the story - people will make their own mind up and it takes a bit of bottle to come on here after the stick you got. It just didn't look good and the reaction somewhat understandable. Regardless of this, I hope you have your life back on track, your family life settled and a brighter future ahead of you.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Harveyn on Mar 1, 2008 10:51:36 GMT 1, Chris
Your father is and was an absolute gentleman whom I had several polite conversations with. The fact that I had to bring up the your past with him was because you failed to communicate to anyone what was going on and obviously having been given this information I needed to ask the awkward question. Buyers, Bluebell or myself heard nothing and people were not receiving their art after long periods of time. I apologized to your father at the time and told him not to worry. I did not know it was your fathers number when I phoned it originally.
After you made the payment to Bluebell you are quite correct I did not contact you again for some time as I realized that that was a futile exercise.
I only got involved again when Bluebell ask me to check with you because the second lot of auctions was resulting in further complaints to me and directly to Bluebell from buyers. You response was a single line "I will do it when I say so". This is the tone you have used throughout all of my communications with you. You even told me at the start when people who donated art were asking whether the art had been received or not by you (after a lengthy period of silence) "tell them to check for themselves".
The last email you got from me making a statement that enough was enough was under instruction from Bluebell. Under the circumstances I can see any problem with their and my demands. No bad language or insults were made.
The fact that you have now not only been extremely rude to me but fallen out with a women who devotes her life to collecting funds for terminally ill children says it all.
This charity was suppose to have been completed before Christmas and that was your words not mine. The fact that it has failed to happen is your fault. The fact that this has delayed vital funds for such a cause is a disgrace.
As for your previous record I have defended you 100% in the public domain. My own personal opinion is your past is your past.
Chris
Your father is and was an absolute gentleman whom I had several polite conversations with. The fact that I had to bring up the your past with him was because you failed to communicate to anyone what was going on and obviously having been given this information I needed to ask the awkward question. Buyers, Bluebell or myself heard nothing and people were not receiving their art after long periods of time. I apologized to your father at the time and told him not to worry. I did not know it was your fathers number when I phoned it originally.
After you made the payment to Bluebell you are quite correct I did not contact you again for some time as I realized that that was a futile exercise.
I only got involved again when Bluebell ask me to check with you because the second lot of auctions was resulting in further complaints to me and directly to Bluebell from buyers. You response was a single line "I will do it when I say so". This is the tone you have used throughout all of my communications with you. You even told me at the start when people who donated art were asking whether the art had been received or not by you (after a lengthy period of silence) "tell them to check for themselves".
The last email you got from me making a statement that enough was enough was under instruction from Bluebell. Under the circumstances I can see any problem with their and my demands. No bad language or insults were made.
The fact that you have now not only been extremely rude to me but fallen out with a women who devotes her life to collecting funds for terminally ill children says it all.
This charity was suppose to have been completed before Christmas and that was your words not mine. The fact that it has failed to happen is your fault. The fact that this has delayed vital funds for such a cause is a disgrace.
As for your previous record I have defended you 100% in the public domain. My own personal opinion is your past is your past.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Harveyn on Mar 1, 2008 10:55:37 GMT 1, In conclusion Chris.
Forget about the fact that you think I interfered to much please please please complete the auctions and get this money to the charity.
In conclusion Chris.
Forget about the fact that you think I interfered to much please please please complete the auctions and get this money to the charity.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by verbalkint on Mar 1, 2008 11:50:50 GMT 1, hold on one second there neil. You told my old man that people were going apeshit on these boards about my past, then when i spoke to you, you said that you had said nothing of the sort. You threatened him telling him you were going to go to the sun newspaper and tell them what was going on, so dont say you had a polite conversation with him, he was polite to you, not the other way round
As for me falling out with helen, i have done nothing of the sort. The last time i spoke to her was every day for 5 days when she thought i was bull shitting her about ending over ยฃ3700. when she realised i was telling the truth she called, was deeply apologetic and i accepted her apology with absolutely no reciprocations or retorts what so ever. I have not spoke to the woman since, she has my number, why has she not called? I will tell you why, because she has been speaking to you, and you have never been privvy to more than 25% of the facts. If she wants to have a staff meeting about me and get nasty then she will lose the ยฃ45,000 tax gift they would have been receiving in april which took me 2 weeks to sort out. I will give it to great ormand street instead. and so not think for one moment that bluebell wood is in need of cash. It is the most heavily supported charity in the region.
These auctions were originally to buy gifts for kids on childrens ward at rotherham hospital on christmas eve, but after speaking to them it seemed they didnt care to receive them (insurance reasons) so i changed the donation to bluebell wood hospice. not only that but instead of demanding the money go to a certain project or cause, some sort of legacy for our efforts (like a christmas party for one) i agreed to let them spend the money how they saw fit. because of this it no longer became important for the auctions to be finished for christmas and as it was an impossibly busy time for me from a working stand point i decided to delay them. If bluebell wood do not want my help then there are thousands of charities who would snap my right arm off, i will give it to one of those instead.
As for the auctions. I have relisted every non paying auction except for 4. 1 who has promised to pay, one who has been refunded but im sending it and he is sending a cheque to you or bluebell, one who is waiting for my bank details and one from december (the rude baby original) which i no longer have the original listing for. The bast print has not been paid for twice which is nearly ยฃ800 and the rest add up to about ยฃ2000
Dont make yourself out to be a martyr neil, you heard a rumour about me at 9am and by 4pm the whole fucking world was calling me to tell me that you had spoken to them. could you not have waited a day to see what happened? see how things paned out? speak to me in person? Just because you work 9 to 5 does not mean that i do. can you not take the responsibility for the deteriation of our so called working relationship? Looking back, the first time i spoke to you was the night you had spoke to my dad and in that first conversation you called him a liar (or in your words, no no, your dad is mistaken, what i said was......) and i showed you nothing but respect, even though i had every right to scream at you for being such a dosile p*ick. You cannot defend your actions neil, they are undefendable. You called my dad a liar and you still have not addressed that issue, you lied to him to force him to tell you what you wanted to know. You are the liar, the fraudster. so once again neil, cheers for your efforts, but dont you dare tell this board that i am entirely to blame for this because you have a fair weight to carry yourself
hold on one second there neil. You told my old man that people were going apeshit on these boards about my past, then when i spoke to you, you said that you had said nothing of the sort. You threatened him telling him you were going to go to the sun newspaper and tell them what was going on, so dont say you had a polite conversation with him, he was polite to you, not the other way round
As for me falling out with helen, i have done nothing of the sort. The last time i spoke to her was every day for 5 days when she thought i was bull shitting her about ending over ยฃ3700. when she realised i was telling the truth she called, was deeply apologetic and i accepted her apology with absolutely no reciprocations or retorts what so ever. I have not spoke to the woman since, she has my number, why has she not called? I will tell you why, because she has been speaking to you, and you have never been privvy to more than 25% of the facts. If she wants to have a staff meeting about me and get nasty then she will lose the ยฃ45,000 tax gift they would have been receiving in april which took me 2 weeks to sort out. I will give it to great ormand street instead. and so not think for one moment that bluebell wood is in need of cash. It is the most heavily supported charity in the region.
These auctions were originally to buy gifts for kids on childrens ward at rotherham hospital on christmas eve, but after speaking to them it seemed they didnt care to receive them (insurance reasons) so i changed the donation to bluebell wood hospice. not only that but instead of demanding the money go to a certain project or cause, some sort of legacy for our efforts (like a christmas party for one) i agreed to let them spend the money how they saw fit. because of this it no longer became important for the auctions to be finished for christmas and as it was an impossibly busy time for me from a working stand point i decided to delay them. If bluebell wood do not want my help then there are thousands of charities who would snap my right arm off, i will give it to one of those instead.
As for the auctions. I have relisted every non paying auction except for 4. 1 who has promised to pay, one who has been refunded but im sending it and he is sending a cheque to you or bluebell, one who is waiting for my bank details and one from december (the rude baby original) which i no longer have the original listing for. The bast print has not been paid for twice which is nearly ยฃ800 and the rest add up to about ยฃ2000
Dont make yourself out to be a martyr neil, you heard a rumour about me at 9am and by 4pm the whole fucking world was calling me to tell me that you had spoken to them. could you not have waited a day to see what happened? see how things paned out? speak to me in person? Just because you work 9 to 5 does not mean that i do. can you not take the responsibility for the deteriation of our so called working relationship? Looking back, the first time i spoke to you was the night you had spoke to my dad and in that first conversation you called him a liar (or in your words, no no, your dad is mistaken, what i said was......) and i showed you nothing but respect, even though i had every right to scream at you for being such a dosile p*ick. You cannot defend your actions neil, they are undefendable. You called my dad a liar and you still have not addressed that issue, you lied to him to force him to tell you what you wanted to know. You are the liar, the fraudster. so once again neil, cheers for your efforts, but dont you dare tell this board that i am entirely to blame for this because you have a fair weight to carry yourself
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