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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by pezlow on Feb 11, 2009 22:49:20 GMT 1, Was lurking this thread until that Neate was posted above. Never seen it before and I thank you kindly for posting it. The test appears blue as opposed to the positive pink.
We're talking pregnancy tests right? Over here in the UK blue line = pregnant, no line = not pregnant. No pink involved. Unless it has all changed in the last four years!
Was lurking this thread until that Neate was posted above. Never seen it before and I thank you kindly for posting it. The test appears blue as opposed to the positive pink. We're talking pregnancy tests right? Over here in the UK blue line = pregnant, no line = not pregnant. No pink involved. Unless it has all changed in the last four years!
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by slowmo on Feb 11, 2009 23:03:36 GMT 1, Not wanting to get embroiled and maybe not right, but page one of a google search found this manifest hope canvas?
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by raiden on Feb 11, 2009 23:31:37 GMT 1, Thanks Slo-Mo,
May I point out how chicken shit Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong...
I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT
Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge.
Thanks Slo-Mo, May I point out how chicken shit Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong... I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by etched on Feb 11, 2009 23:41:59 GMT 1, Thanks Slo-Mo, May I point out how chicken s**t Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong... I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge. tis true but interested parties lurk..
Thanks Slo-Mo, May I point out how chicken s**t Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong... I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge. tis true but interested parties lurk..
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by mose on Feb 11, 2009 23:44:23 GMT 1, Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge.
There is no such thing as a Fairey 'canvas edition' other than the old series of prints on canvas I mentioned in an earlier post.
All Fairey canvas works are 1/1 originals. I think some of the confusion comes from your use of the term 'edition' to describe Fairey's canvas works. There are no Fairey canvases in the vein of things like Banksy or Dolk's editioned canvas works.
When you were talking about Obama canvas works in an earlier post, with the one that sold at auction, the one in the Smithsonian, the one that toured the gallery scene, etc. you were not correct. All the pieces you mentioned there were stencil collages on paper which are from an edition of up to 5 pieces.
Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge. There is no such thing as a Fairey 'canvas edition' other than the old series of prints on canvas I mentioned in an earlier post. All Fairey canvas works are 1/1 originals. I think some of the confusion comes from your use of the term 'edition' to describe Fairey's canvas works. There are no Fairey canvases in the vein of things like Banksy or Dolk's editioned canvas works. When you were talking about Obama canvas works in an earlier post, with the one that sold at auction, the one in the Smithsonian, the one that toured the gallery scene, etc. you were not correct. All the pieces you mentioned there were stencil collages on paper which are from an edition of up to 5 pieces.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by cashman on Feb 12, 2009 0:00:25 GMT 1, Great thread, great read
Great thread, great read
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by Francis on Feb 12, 2009 0:42:49 GMT 1, Thanks Slo-Mo, May I point out how chicken s**t Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong... I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge.
No, I deleted it because it was a little mean spirited. What we were discussing is the Hope piece. Show us a Hope canvas. You've seen 3-4 of them...show us ONE
Thanks Slo-Mo, May I point out how chicken s**t Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong... I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge. No, I deleted it because it was a little mean spirited. What we were discussing is the Hope piece. Show us a Hope canvas. You've seen 3-4 of them...show us ONE
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by Francis on Feb 12, 2009 0:44:39 GMT 1, Thanks Slo-Mo, May I point out how chicken s**t Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong... I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge.
Oh, and Raiden, you may want to check yourself before you go opening your mouth and insulting other people.
Thanks Slo-Mo, May I point out how chicken s**t Francis is by scrubbing this post as soon as you proved him wrong... I asked you a simple question and you can't even give me ONE Hope canvas, yet you go on and on with this self-indulgent crap. SHOW ME ONE HOPE CANVAS...THAT'S IT Of course then he goes and deletes his post as soon as he looks like a complete retard! I generally refrain from personal attacks, but I think Francis is an complete ass for attacking me after I bring up what I know about the Fairey's "fine art" and "canvas editions" - isn't the point of this board sharing knowledge. Oh, and Raiden, you may want to check yourself before you go opening your mouth and insulting other people.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by snausages on Feb 12, 2009 1:50:50 GMT 1, I'm far from being an art expert of course, but for me it was between neate and parla. Far from being my personal favourites, but for me it's about who has the range to break from the strict urban/street art label across to others where there is a hell of a lot more money around... those two i can see being appreciated by a number of different art crowds which would probably mean more cash. Don't agree, Banksy gets mega cash because he (very arguably I know-it's on the backs of many others) but he's basically thought of as being the inventor of a new genre and movement and style. Banksy would not get mega cash if he were just another artist blending in to the contemporary art scene. He gets mega cash for being groundbreaking and is the man people think of when you mention this genre.
Any other guys "blending" in to the standard contemporary art market will be just another artist, not groundbreaking and not the preeminent figure of any movement. They will have to compete for collectors and patrons against the hundreds and thousands of other contemporary artists in the world in all the various genres. And these street artists art not cheap by any standards so it won't necessarily be this enticing cheap "third world" kind of stock play with massive upside potential. It will be a hard sell and let's not forget it was only months ago that we saw the worst ever decline in the stock market. It's going to take minimum 10 years to recover.
I'm far from being an art expert of course, but for me it was between neate and parla. Far from being my personal favourites, but for me it's about who has the range to break from the strict urban/street art label across to others where there is a hell of a lot more money around... those two i can see being appreciated by a number of different art crowds which would probably mean more cash. Don't agree, Banksy gets mega cash because he (very arguably I know-it's on the backs of many others) but he's basically thought of as being the inventor of a new genre and movement and style. Banksy would not get mega cash if he were just another artist blending in to the contemporary art scene. He gets mega cash for being groundbreaking and is the man people think of when you mention this genre. Any other guys "blending" in to the standard contemporary art market will be just another artist, not groundbreaking and not the preeminent figure of any movement. They will have to compete for collectors and patrons against the hundreds and thousands of other contemporary artists in the world in all the various genres. And these street artists art not cheap by any standards so it won't necessarily be this enticing cheap "third world" kind of stock play with massive upside potential. It will be a hard sell and let's not forget it was only months ago that we saw the worst ever decline in the stock market. It's going to take minimum 10 years to recover.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by tinkicker on Feb 12, 2009 2:03:09 GMT 1, Have to agreed with SNAUSAGES we have whats know as a movement here so the heros here will not be the neate and parla but banksys,bleks,eelus,ect,ect bet me ex wife on it!
Have to agreed with SNAUSAGES we have whats know as a movement here so the heros here will not be the neate and parla but banksys,bleks,eelus,ect,ect bet me ex wife on it!
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by raiden on Feb 12, 2009 8:28:49 GMT 1, First, Francis, I generally respect your contributions to the board and after hearing your reason for taking down your previous post, namely "I deleted it because it was a little mean spirited." I'll similarly apologize for the mean spirited reply, because I was largely responding as a knee jerk reaction to the prior post.
The original point before we got into all this parsing of words was simply that Shep "by my count, did 3 to 4 canvas editions of Obama." Not specifically of "Obama Hope" just 3-4 canvases - and really, that wasn't even the real point, since this thread is on values in ten years....
Plus my original point was simply that the "fine art" Obama piece were probably going to be the most expensive - but since they aren't technically the original work (as "Obama Progress" screenprint original ed 350 was the technical original) it may hurt how they are perceived. Fact of the matter, the Adobe File was the original - which is the ultimate point and why I was saying other artists who are more canvas oriented will probably command higher prices on a piece by piece basis compared to Shep.
Now to parse the semantics of it all...
I've counted is at least 3 Obama canvases spotted:
One in an article on Current TV current.com/items/89691466/obama_s_hope_portrait_goes_to_smithsonian.htm One featuring the word "Progress" on a Facebook Page One being the one Slo-Mo showed. And possibly One or Two extras between Manifest Hope and the exhibit at the Denver Convention.
Plus I count 4 Obama Hope "fine art pieces" which it seems were all done on "cotton rag paper" but as they were all unique, its conceivable that one was on canvas. One of those 3 was auctioned at the Russell Simmons "Art For Life" event for $108K, and was an Obama Hope image the specs of which were "45" x 69" mixed media stencil collage on cotton rag paper - 1 of 3 in existence, each is unique in collage, not numbered, not an edition.
Finally, the "Obama Hope" in the National Portrait Gallery, from my recollection (I didn't look this up) was an additional one created for this purpose. I know that it is collage on paper.
Finally, you can also add the Time Magazine cover, which I believe I recall seeing on a news clip as some form of fine art edition, possibly on canvas, but I could be wrong on both accounts. (and don't want to go searching for after the previous research)
Now because I was going mostly off memory, I will grant that I thought the Russell Simmons "Obama Hope" piece was on canvas, because Shep referred to it as one of three "fine art piece," but then again, I saw this image a billion times and have it on my phone, my car, my wall, etc. so you can understand why I might not recall with perfect clarity what medium it was in.
But at the end of the day... who gives a damn about the difference between canvas, wood, and cotton rag paper in this situation, as all of them are covered with a thick layer of collage and stencil anyways and if framed with Sheps usual deep wood framing and not floated, they all will look the same.
In the end, Francis, no one on the board was 100% correct.
First, Francis, I generally respect your contributions to the board and after hearing your reason for taking down your previous post, namely "I deleted it because it was a little mean spirited." I'll similarly apologize for the mean spirited reply, because I was largely responding as a knee jerk reaction to the prior post. The original point before we got into all this parsing of words was simply that Shep "by my count, did 3 to 4 canvas editions of Obama." Not specifically of "Obama Hope" just 3-4 canvases - and really, that wasn't even the real point, since this thread is on values in ten years.... Plus my original point was simply that the "fine art" Obama piece were probably going to be the most expensive - but since they aren't technically the original work (as "Obama Progress" screenprint original ed 350 was the technical original) it may hurt how they are perceived. Fact of the matter, the Adobe File was the original - which is the ultimate point and why I was saying other artists who are more canvas oriented will probably command higher prices on a piece by piece basis compared to Shep. Now to parse the semantics of it all... I've counted is at least 3 Obama canvases spotted: One in an article on Current TV current.com/items/89691466/obama_s_hope_portrait_goes_to_smithsonian.htmOne featuring the word "Progress" on a Facebook Page One being the one Slo-Mo showed. And possibly One or Two extras between Manifest Hope and the exhibit at the Denver Convention. Plus I count 4 Obama Hope "fine art pieces" which it seems were all done on "cotton rag paper" but as they were all unique, its conceivable that one was on canvas. One of those 3 was auctioned at the Russell Simmons "Art For Life" event for $108K, and was an Obama Hope image the specs of which were "45" x 69" mixed media stencil collage on cotton rag paper - 1 of 3 in existence, each is unique in collage, not numbered, not an edition. Finally, the "Obama Hope" in the National Portrait Gallery, from my recollection (I didn't look this up) was an additional one created for this purpose. I know that it is collage on paper. Finally, you can also add the Time Magazine cover, which I believe I recall seeing on a news clip as some form of fine art edition, possibly on canvas, but I could be wrong on both accounts. (and don't want to go searching for after the previous research) Now because I was going mostly off memory, I will grant that I thought the Russell Simmons "Obama Hope" piece was on canvas, because Shep referred to it as one of three "fine art piece," but then again, I saw this image a billion times and have it on my phone, my car, my wall, etc. so you can understand why I might not recall with perfect clarity what medium it was in. But at the end of the day... who gives a damn about the difference between canvas, wood, and cotton rag paper in this situation, as all of them are covered with a thick layer of collage and stencil anyways and if framed with Sheps usual deep wood framing and not floated, they all will look the same. In the end, Francis, no one on the board was 100% correct.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by Dellboyy on Feb 12, 2009 12:18:37 GMT 1, I'm far from being an art expert of course, but for me it was between neate and parla. Far from being my personal favourites, but for me it's about who has the range to break from the strict urban/street art label across to others where there is a hell of a lot more money around... those two i can see being appreciated by a number of different art crowds which would probably mean more cash. Don't agree, Banksy gets mega cash because he (very arguably I know-it's on the backs of many others) but he's basically thought of as being the inventor of a new genre and movement and style. Banksy would not get mega cash if he were just another artist blending in to the contemporary art scene. He gets mega cash for being groundbreaking and is the man people think of when you mention this genre. Any other guys "blending" in to the standard contemporary art market will be just another artist, not groundbreaking and not the preeminent figure of any movement. They will have to compete for collectors and patrons against the hundreds and thousands of other contemporary artists in the world in all the various genres. And these street artists art not cheap by any standards so it won't necessarily be this enticing cheap "third world" kind of stock play with massive upside potential. It will be a hard sell and let's not forget it was only months ago that we saw the worst ever decline in the stock market. It's going to take minimum 10 years to recover.
Fair point... though i was thinking in 10 years a neate or parla who half makes it in the conteporary market would still be worth more than banksy as the leader of this urban market as there is a fair bit of catching up to do for the urban market in general.
You're right though, the whole market at the moment will have an effect. It'll be interesting to see what does happen in ten years!
I'm far from being an art expert of course, but for me it was between neate and parla. Far from being my personal favourites, but for me it's about who has the range to break from the strict urban/street art label across to others where there is a hell of a lot more money around... those two i can see being appreciated by a number of different art crowds which would probably mean more cash. Don't agree, Banksy gets mega cash because he (very arguably I know-it's on the backs of many others) but he's basically thought of as being the inventor of a new genre and movement and style. Banksy would not get mega cash if he were just another artist blending in to the contemporary art scene. He gets mega cash for being groundbreaking and is the man people think of when you mention this genre. Any other guys "blending" in to the standard contemporary art market will be just another artist, not groundbreaking and not the preeminent figure of any movement. They will have to compete for collectors and patrons against the hundreds and thousands of other contemporary artists in the world in all the various genres. And these street artists art not cheap by any standards so it won't necessarily be this enticing cheap "third world" kind of stock play with massive upside potential. It will be a hard sell and let's not forget it was only months ago that we saw the worst ever decline in the stock market. It's going to take minimum 10 years to recover. Fair point... though i was thinking in 10 years a neate or parla who half makes it in the conteporary market would still be worth more than banksy as the leader of this urban market as there is a fair bit of catching up to do for the urban market in general. You're right though, the whole market at the moment will have an effect. It'll be interesting to see what does happen in ten years!
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by edcase on Feb 12, 2009 13:05:11 GMT 1, All I know is now is a good time to buy
All I know is now is a good time to buy
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by snausages on Feb 13, 2009 3:57:09 GMT 1, i was thinking in 10 years a neate or parla who half makes it in the contemporary market would still be worth more than banksy as the leader of this urban market as there is a fair bit of catching up to do for the urban market in general. I still don't agree, look at Christies and Phillips, they had their contemporary art sales this week, they had very large sculptures and canvases, and a lot of them were strong pieces by some of todays heavy hitters and most respected contemporary artists. The average sold price (by artists in their 20s 30s and maybe 40s was probably about $100,000. Only a few of the artists were to break $200k. That might be slightly lower than it would have been in 07/08? But probably not by much. Prices were relatively strong for this type of work. So I don't understand why, even if Neate, Faile or even Parla were to actually get gallery representation in NY and show up in these auctions, why would these contemporary collectors be willing to pay even more for these artists than the ones they already know and who are already in museums, biennials etc.?
It is nice though to see everyone still so optimistic and rooting for their artists even in these tough times.
i was thinking in 10 years a neate or parla who half makes it in the contemporary market would still be worth more than banksy as the leader of this urban market as there is a fair bit of catching up to do for the urban market in general. I still don't agree, look at Christies and Phillips, they had their contemporary art sales this week, they had very large sculptures and canvases, and a lot of them were strong pieces by some of todays heavy hitters and most respected contemporary artists. The average sold price (by artists in their 20s 30s and maybe 40s was probably about $100,000. Only a few of the artists were to break $200k. That might be slightly lower than it would have been in 07/08? But probably not by much. Prices were relatively strong for this type of work. So I don't understand why, even if Neate, Faile or even Parla were to actually get gallery representation in NY and show up in these auctions, why would these contemporary collectors be willing to pay even more for these artists than the ones they already know and who are already in museums, biennials etc.? It is nice though to see everyone still so optimistic and rooting for their artists even in these tough times.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by jamesreeve5 on Feb 13, 2009 8:09:51 GMT 1, Phillips evening looked to do "ok"... but large pieces by Banksy, Koons, and Sherman failed to sell, and Emin's two large pieces brought in weak prices.
Snausages skepticism is well deserved. The majority of this forum saw a rise in prices of their work that is unlikely to happen again in this movement. If you could consistently get 200% - 1,000% returns on 2 year investments everyone would be doing it!
If you like your art then keep on buying, but to think that your Parla or Neate or Micallef or Herakut will be selling for $1 mill in 10 years time is a pipe dream.
Phillips evening looked to do "ok"... but large pieces by Banksy, Koons, and Sherman failed to sell, and Emin's two large pieces brought in weak prices.
Snausages skepticism is well deserved. The majority of this forum saw a rise in prices of their work that is unlikely to happen again in this movement. If you could consistently get 200% - 1,000% returns on 2 year investments everyone would be doing it!
If you like your art then keep on buying, but to think that your Parla or Neate or Micallef or Herakut will be selling for $1 mill in 10 years time is a pipe dream.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by Simococo on Feb 13, 2009 8:23:47 GMT 1, its all just gambling with low odds if money is your game still suprised happy choppers didn't grab it though
its all just gambling with low odds if money is your game still suprised happy choppers didn't grab it though
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by pezlow on Feb 13, 2009 10:03:55 GMT 1, Snausages skepticism is well deserved. The majority of this forum saw a rise in prices of their work that is unlikely to happen again in this movement. If you could consistently get 200% - 1,000% returns on 2 year investments everyone would be doing it!
Of course this is true but it is also true of the wider art market as a whole, not just this scene. By way of example although there are many many similar tales even in the most recent sales there was evidence of the inflation of art's worth
Edgar Degas's Petite Danseuse de Quatorze Ans recently hammered at ยฃ13 million+ including buyers premium. The piece had been bought 5 years before for ยฃ5 million.
So it is not just street art that has seen the sort of massive price inflation you are referring to.
Snausages skepticism is well deserved. The majority of this forum saw a rise in prices of their work that is unlikely to happen again in this movement. If you could consistently get 200% - 1,000% returns on 2 year investments everyone would be doing it! Of course this is true but it is also true of the wider art market as a whole, not just this scene. By way of example although there are many many similar tales even in the most recent sales there was evidence of the inflation of art's worth Edgar Degas's Petite Danseuse de Quatorze Ans recently hammered at ยฃ13 million+ including buyers premium. The piece had been bought 5 years before for ยฃ5 million. So it is not just street art that has seen the sort of massive price inflation you are referring to.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 10:36:39 GMT 1, predicting the future is a mugs game that most of us like to play. in terms of artistic talent Adam Neate and Jose Parla are in a different leaque for me. this of course means nothing when looking at potential sales in 10 years time. if we are talking a one off sale then it could of course be anyone, if 2 people rich enough are in the same auction room at the same time anything could happen. i presume though that we are talking a series of high sales. Of the people mentioned so far I can only believe that Banksy,Parla and Neate are likely to be in the running. Banksy and Neate aren't shy with publicity(nor is Cartrian i here you say ;-) ), this may be one of the deciding factors. Neate is by far my favorite of the 3, although i love all 3's work. but how will Neate's cardboard pieces physically stand the test of time?. i know very little about paint, canvas, cardbard etc, but my guess is that cardboard won't last anywhere near as long as canvas. breaking America and the rest of the world is a huge factor and of course Banksy has already done this. imo the artist with the room for the biggest growth is Neate. he is living at least part of the year in Brazil. i can see him getting involved with Os Gemeos at some point and who knows maybe getting linked in with some Big Gallaries in the US. it'll be fun watching from the sidelines and who knows if we make a few decent choices maybe the frontlines of the auction houses.
predicting the future is a mugs game that most of us like to play. in terms of artistic talent Adam Neate and Jose Parla are in a different leaque for me. this of course means nothing when looking at potential sales in 10 years time. if we are talking a one off sale then it could of course be anyone, if 2 people rich enough are in the same auction room at the same time anything could happen. i presume though that we are talking a series of high sales. Of the people mentioned so far I can only believe that Banksy,Parla and Neate are likely to be in the running. Banksy and Neate aren't shy with publicity(nor is Cartrian i here you say ;-) ), this may be one of the deciding factors. Neate is by far my favorite of the 3, although i love all 3's work. but how will Neate's cardboard pieces physically stand the test of time?. i know very little about paint, canvas, cardbard etc, but my guess is that cardboard won't last anywhere near as long as canvas. breaking America and the rest of the world is a huge factor and of course Banksy has already done this. imo the artist with the room for the biggest growth is Neate. he is living at least part of the year in Brazil. i can see him getting involved with Os Gemeos at some point and who knows maybe getting linked in with some Big Gallaries in the US. it'll be fun watching from the sidelines and who knows if we make a few decent choices maybe the frontlines of the auction houses.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by skanky on Feb 13, 2009 15:48:11 GMT 1, I have to agree with Parla and Neate but there will be others who will be very successfull. The nature of this movement is that its fast paced and generally everyone moves towards the next buzz. At the moment its Shep and Kaws but that will change throughout the year as the big shows roll out. Fantastic defining works like Judgement Day, Deep End, City Girl, The Test to name just a small few are almost taken for granted as people look to the next big thing.
I dont believe Neate's work will look anything like it does now in 10 years time, of all the artists he seems to progress with every piece and every piece will have its place in time. Imo he will be regarded as the best painter of his generation.
I have to agree with Parla and Neate but there will be others who will be very successfull. The nature of this movement is that its fast paced and generally everyone moves towards the next buzz. At the moment its Shep and Kaws but that will change throughout the year as the big shows roll out. Fantastic defining works like Judgement Day, Deep End, City Girl, The Test to name just a small few are almost taken for granted as people look to the next big thing.
I dont believe Neate's work will look anything like it does now in 10 years time, of all the artists he seems to progress with every piece and every piece will have its place in time. Imo he will be regarded as the best painter of his generation.
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lee3
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by lee3 on Feb 13, 2009 17:02:59 GMT 1, >>>Phillips evening looked to do "ok"... but large pieces by Banksy, Koons, and Sherman failed to sell, and Emin's two large pieces brought in weak prices.<<<
If memory serves that was the Happy Chopper composition which my wife loved. I'm a bit surprised it didn't sell but given that very nice examples (a couple iconic) and well priced Indiana, Rothko, Prince, and Bacon were bought in at Christie's evening earlier this week, I can't say I'm shocked. Prices are weakening at a quicker pace that I ever imagined. I suppose with global focus on banks and ways to prop up housing, I should have seen it coming but I didn't.
As much as I love this genre, it is looking more overpriced relative to older movements which have corrected at auction by some 70-80% in just 6 months. My decision to turn my back on acquiring more pop art in favor of urban art probably needs to be reversed. Yet, my buttons are ultimately pushed more by what is new than what has alread come. Still, Fright Wigs have lost 80%+ of their premium and that is difficult to ignore. Dare to dream about a Calder mobile?
>>>Phillips evening looked to do "ok"... but large pieces by Banksy, Koons, and Sherman failed to sell, and Emin's two large pieces brought in weak prices.<<<
If memory serves that was the Happy Chopper composition which my wife loved. I'm a bit surprised it didn't sell but given that very nice examples (a couple iconic) and well priced Indiana, Rothko, Prince, and Bacon were bought in at Christie's evening earlier this week, I can't say I'm shocked. Prices are weakening at a quicker pace that I ever imagined. I suppose with global focus on banks and ways to prop up housing, I should have seen it coming but I didn't.
As much as I love this genre, it is looking more overpriced relative to older movements which have corrected at auction by some 70-80% in just 6 months. My decision to turn my back on acquiring more pop art in favor of urban art probably needs to be reversed. Yet, my buttons are ultimately pushed more by what is new than what has alread come. Still, Fright Wigs have lost 80%+ of their premium and that is difficult to ignore. Dare to dream about a Calder mobile?
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by jamesreeve5 on Feb 13, 2009 17:20:01 GMT 1, All of the lots I just bid on at the Phillips day sale went higher then their estimates go figure!
All of the lots I just bid on at the Phillips day sale went higher then their estimates go figure!
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by lee3 on Feb 13, 2009 17:36:01 GMT 1, Did you win any? If you prefer to keep it private I can apprecaite that, if you don't care than link 'em up and let's see what you won.
Did you win any? If you prefer to keep it private I can apprecaite that, if you don't care than link 'em up and let's see what you won.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by jamesreeve5 on Feb 13, 2009 18:14:17 GMT 1, I didn't win a thing!
I put in a bottom feeder bid of 10,000 on the Colen Bird Poop painting, but it was swept over in the blink of an eye and ended up going for 50,000! Much higher than its 10k - 15k estimate.
I remember offering some Dan Colen bird poop paintings on here a couple of months ago for much cheaper by comparison, but didn't get any replies. Although I have to admit, I've gotten quite used to being ignored when talking about these "other" artists.
I also put a bid on a few other items by a few of the other artists in the auction... all went for over estimate.
I didn't win a thing!
I put in a bottom feeder bid of 10,000 on the Colen Bird Poop painting, but it was swept over in the blink of an eye and ended up going for 50,000! Much higher than its 10k - 15k estimate.
I remember offering some Dan Colen bird poop paintings on here a couple of months ago for much cheaper by comparison, but didn't get any replies. Although I have to admit, I've gotten quite used to being ignored when talking about these "other" artists.
I also put a bid on a few other items by a few of the other artists in the auction... all went for over estimate.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by ambrosiabaptism on Feb 13, 2009 18:20:12 GMT 1, To answer the original question Banksy but as has been said to predict the future is foolish.
I am pretty much with sausage on this .... however I feel Banksy is a giant creative force his ethics and ethos (whilst old skool) are ahead of the curve. WHY? I believe the global recession will make people consider there actions more and in turn make then more conscience of politics.
Banksy engages the audience, something the majority of people want.
I work with young people and a vast majority of them know and love Banksy, these are the potential collectors of the future.
His recent 'Grill' piece in NY is a great example of his diverse vision, young people are a differnet breed to us they are very savy and are not bound by our more tradition concepts of media and medium
Great thread I hope I have contributed a little more sitmulus
To answer the original question Banksy but as has been said to predict the future is foolish. I am pretty much with sausage on this .... however I feel Banksy is a giant creative force his ethics and ethos (whilst old skool) are ahead of the curve. WHY? I believe the global recession will make people consider there actions more and in turn make then more conscience of politics. Banksy engages the audience, something the majority of people want. I work with young people and a vast majority of them know and love Banksy, these are the potential collectors of the future. His recent 'Grill' piece in NY is a great example of his diverse vision, young people are a differnet breed to us they are very savy and are not bound by our more tradition concepts of media and medium Great thread I hope I have contributed a little more sitmulus
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by snausages on Feb 13, 2009 19:06:35 GMT 1, I remember offering some Dan Colen bird poop paintings on here a couple of months ago for much cheaper by comparison, but didn't get any replies. Damnit! I wish I saw that! I do like his bird crap paintings, He just had two paintings go for way over estimates at Phillips so they're probably out of my league now but if you still have em pm me. Although I just saw a Colen bubble gum painting and have to say it was one of the worst canvases I've ever seen. Hate buying artists unless I like them in whole.
Sale went pretty well overall, a couple things that I bid on went way over estimates or just too high for my budget.
And that Banksy, yeah the estimate was just WAY too high. If it were a unique canvas maybe. But it would have been one of the most expensive things to sell at Phillips in these sales. Way too ambitious. 150-250k estimate maybe. But personally not really feeling that canvas.
I remember offering some Dan Colen bird poop paintings on here a couple of months ago for much cheaper by comparison, but didn't get any replies. Damnit! I wish I saw that! I do like his bird crap paintings, He just had two paintings go for way over estimates at Phillips so they're probably out of my league now but if you still have em pm me. Although I just saw a Colen bubble gum painting and have to say it was one of the worst canvases I've ever seen. Hate buying artists unless I like them in whole. Sale went pretty well overall, a couple things that I bid on went way over estimates or just too high for my budget. And that Banksy, yeah the estimate was just WAY too high. If it were a unique canvas maybe. But it would have been one of the most expensive things to sell at Phillips in these sales. Way too ambitious. 150-250k estimate maybe. But personally not really feeling that canvas.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by jamesreeve5 on Feb 13, 2009 19:31:03 GMT 1, I remember offering some Dan Colen bird poop paintings on here a couple of months ago for much cheaper by comparison, but didn't get any replies. Damnit! I wish I saw that! I do like his bird crap paintings, He just had two paintings go for way over estimates at Phillips so they're probably out of my league now but if you still have em pm me. Although I just saw a Colen bubble gum painting and have to say it was one of the worst canvases I've ever seen. Hate buying artists unless I like them in whole. Sale went pretty well overall, a couple things that I bid on went way over estimates or just too high for my budget. And that Banksy, yeah the estimate was just WAY too high. If it were a unique canvas maybe. But it would have been one of the most expensive things to sell at Phillips in these sales. Way too ambitious. 150-250k estimate maybe. But personally not really feeling that canvas.
Sorry, Snausages but those Colens are gonzo (I offered the bubblegum and the kisses too). I am glad to know that someone else besides me was outbid on items this morning as well.
I would have put a 150k - 200k estimate on the banksy as well, with an expected sale at 150k
I remember offering some Dan Colen bird poop paintings on here a couple of months ago for much cheaper by comparison, but didn't get any replies. Damnit! I wish I saw that! I do like his bird crap paintings, He just had two paintings go for way over estimates at Phillips so they're probably out of my league now but if you still have em pm me. Although I just saw a Colen bubble gum painting and have to say it was one of the worst canvases I've ever seen. Hate buying artists unless I like them in whole. Sale went pretty well overall, a couple things that I bid on went way over estimates or just too high for my budget. And that Banksy, yeah the estimate was just WAY too high. If it were a unique canvas maybe. But it would have been one of the most expensive things to sell at Phillips in these sales. Way too ambitious. 150-250k estimate maybe. But personally not really feeling that canvas. Sorry, Snausages but those Colens are gonzo (I offered the bubblegum and the kisses too). I am glad to know that someone else besides me was outbid on items this morning as well. I would have put a 150k - 200k estimate on the banksy as well, with an expected sale at 150k
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by volvic on Mar 5, 2009 22:34:59 GMT 1, Neate has got incredible talent I agree and I have been chasing a gallery piece for 12 months but he won't be remembered in the same sense as Banksy, Shep and KAWS in terms of his importance to street/urban I just don't see his work as groundbreaking Picasso, Bacon and Freud set that standard I do love the beauty though
And he is a better painter than all three of them.
Neate has got incredible talent I agree and I have been chasing a gallery piece for 12 months but he won't be remembered in the same sense as Banksy, Shep and KAWS in terms of his importance to street/urban I just don't see his work as groundbreaking Picasso, Bacon and Freud set that standard I do love the beauty though And he is a better painter than all three of them.
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Highest Sold in 10 Years Time..., by blackheart on Mar 6, 2009 1:26:04 GMT 1, i dont think this is even a question
i dont think this is even a question
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