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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Howard Johnson on Sept 13, 2018 1:56:07 GMT 1, Not sure if the Murakami prints are really sets of 5 (seems odd for a number of reasons), but if they are I'll give away two of mine to people who missed out. The next two members who post a find of their own, or post a restock like the classy arthoarder, get a courtesy Murakami!
Happy hunting!
Not sure if the Murakami prints are really sets of 5 (seems odd for a number of reasons), but if they are I'll give away two of mine to people who missed out. The next two members who post a find of their own, or post a restock like the classy arthoarder, get a courtesy Murakami! Happy hunting!
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Howard Johnson on Sept 11, 2018 23:03:56 GMT 1, This one is for the select few Richard Prince fans out there. KARMA just put up some copies of the elusive Black Bra Zine, which is a limited edition of 200:
karmakarma.org/publication/richard-prince-black-bra/
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Beyond The Streets Merchandise, by Howard Johnson on Sept 5, 2018 17:17:08 GMT 1, Thank you for the heads up! was lucky enough to snag the cheap one. Was considering the other one as well, but that damn text at the bottom kills it for me
Thank you for the heads up! was lucky enough to snag the cheap one. Was considering the other one as well, but that damn text at the bottom kills it for me
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un authenticatable banksy original, by Howard Johnson on Aug 28, 2018 22:27:23 GMT 1, You will see a lot of replies, comments, jokes here but the bottom line is: It is totally unsellable without a COA
This is the advice your looking for. It is you cannot sell it publicly for anything close to what you'd want for it without a COA, which you CANNOT get through pest control (I thought they did authenticate gifts if it comes form the original person gifted, but maybe not with OGS?), so you only option is to compile the information you have.
It may sound silly, but an affidavit from your mom is better than nothing, have it explain how she came to meet Mr. B and the prov of the piece. If your mom was reputable enough to be a known associate of the artist that may be enough to get you into an auction. But your best option is to sell it someone you know who knows your mom and your background with the artist and therefore is comfortable with authenticity.
Why was it specifically denied by PC? Make sure to get the precise wording. If its akin to "we cannot authenticate gifts" then your likely ok to move forward with a sale, but if it was an outright denial you should probably get them to elaborate in writing. If they came to the conclusion that it was not authentic, even if they are mistaken, its a death sentence and you should just keep it as even though you may know its authentic, it would be unethical to sell it if PC expressly deemed it inauthentic. Bottom line, just make sure you havesomething in writing about why it was denied.
Good luck...assuming your story is genuine.
You will see a lot of replies, comments, jokes here but the bottom line is: It is totally unsellable without a COA This is the advice your looking for. It is you cannot sell it publicly for anything close to what you'd want for it without a COA, which you CANNOT get through pest control (I thought they did authenticate gifts if it comes form the original person gifted, but maybe not with OGS?), so you only option is to compile the information you have. It may sound silly, but an affidavit from your mom is better than nothing, have it explain how she came to meet Mr. B and the prov of the piece. If your mom was reputable enough to be a known associate of the artist that may be enough to get you into an auction. But your best option is to sell it someone you know who knows your mom and your background with the artist and therefore is comfortable with authenticity. Why was it specifically denied by PC? Make sure to get the precise wording. If its akin to "we cannot authenticate gifts" then your likely ok to move forward with a sale, but if it was an outright denial you should probably get them to elaborate in writing. If they came to the conclusion that it was not authentic, even if they are mistaken, its a death sentence and you should just keep it as even though you may know its authentic, it would be unethical to sell it if PC expressly deemed it inauthentic. Bottom line, just make sure you havesomething in writing about why it was denied. Good luck...assuming your story is genuine.
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Retna โข American Revolutionaries, by Howard Johnson on Aug 28, 2018 19:34:15 GMT 1, Price drop bump. Thanks!
Price drop bump. Thanks!
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Howard Johnson on Aug 28, 2018 17:55:00 GMT 1, Drop incoming....
Drop incoming....
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new signed barry mcgee edition, by Howard Johnson on Aug 27, 2018 22:48:27 GMT 1, They put a few more zines in the webshop (10 total). Only 9 of the "posters" left as well. anyone know the edition of the posters? Hopefully they are also screened.
Zine link: www.autobodybellport.com/shop/barry-mcgee-zine
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 27, 2018 22:37:45 GMT 1, Thank you all for the great comments! I particularly like the note about his work being "deceptive." I think I was being my typical art snob self, and unconsciously lumped him into the skate-art sector, who like Mark Gonzalez, may be incredibly talented but will always be known for their contributions to one particular sub-culture. Seems like McGee has comparable institutional backing to kaws, but not the widespread fanatic fanbase. (On another note, does anyone else find it odd that a number of street artists have made it to the museum scene, but the self-appointed leader, Banksy, has not?) Considering what y'all have said, it seems like $250 was a very reasonable price point for his prints. I do feel quite lucky to have found his work in time to nab a multiple! Does he always do stone lithographs, or are the new ones a different technique? Anyone seen them in the flesh? Hind-sight is so 20-20, I spent a fair amount on a bunch of ephemera to my a makeshift collage, aiming for something like the first picture below with a nice tray frame surrounding the entire collage, but now I'm thinking so attempting something like the second picture to work in the new print. Has anyone out there make a wall collage of his smaller works? If so, please share some pics. Thanks again! It is great that you are finding new artists that interest you. I'd suggest you worry less about categorizing the art and artist and just get to know each artist for who they are and their context.ย I'm pretty obsessed with Barry McGee but even more so with Gonz. Sounds like you are writing him off even before you learn to spell his name To me Gonz is fearless in everything he does. Gonz really seems to be able to produce art without filters like no one else.ย Back to Twist. I don't haven't found any books of his that I love. There are a few that are okย This one is ok but IMHO it tries to be to serious.ย www.amazon.ca/Barry-McGee-Alex-Baker/dp/1935202855/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1535174063&sr=8-2&keywords=barry+mcgee&dpID=6107F3%252BiGnL&preST=_SY264_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch This one has some great pics www.amazon.ca/Barry-McGee/dp/8862080964/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535174063&sr=8-1&keywords=barry+mcgee&dpID=51aRrGud8mL&preST=_SX198_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch This one was a bit of a let down but I just love the cover www.amazon.ca/Barry-McGee-Raphaela-Platow/dp/0962054585/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1535174259&sr=8-20&keywords=barry+mcgeeI'd second the recommendation to watch Beautiful Losers. The book is also great for pics. Again I wasn't blown away by the writing but the book is still worth picking up. One that I go back to frequently.ย There are a number of interesting documentaries on YouTube as well.ย I bet in the next few years there will be threads popping up like this on Gonz. That is if forums are still a thing in a few years.ย Have fun
Lol very fair comments all around. I actually really like the skateboard artists I grew up with, but it's more of me believeing that they were not valued on the larger art market then a comment about their talent
It seems like everyone tries to tow the line between what they like and investment value, and give empty excuses about the brilliance of whatever artist they want to make a buck off of. I'm very transparent: I collect for investment. My opinion is that there is SO much damn art out there that you will always be able to find works that you BOTH love and are a good investment. This is certainly a very specific attitude about collecting that I don't push on others, it's just the boundaries set for myself. I have poor impulse control, so I need rules lol. So finding McGee was a cool experience as it hit both of my prerequisites for collecting and his work is rooted in a genre that doesn't get the acclaim it deserves.
Anyways, thank you all for the thoughtful comments and suggestions. If anyone has attempted a picture collage like his exhibitions please do not hesitate to post some pics!
Thank you all for the great comments! I particularly like the note about his work being "deceptive." I think I was being my typical art snob self, and unconsciously lumped him into the skate-art sector, who like Mark Gonzalez, may be incredibly talented but will always be known for their contributions to one particular sub-culture. Seems like McGee has comparable institutional backing to kaws, but not the widespread fanatic fanbase. (On another note, does anyone else find it odd that a number of street artists have made it to the museum scene, but the self-appointed leader, Banksy, has not?) Considering what y'all have said, it seems like $250 was a very reasonable price point for his prints. I do feel quite lucky to have found his work in time to nab a multiple! Does he always do stone lithographs, or are the new ones a different technique? Anyone seen them in the flesh? Hind-sight is so 20-20, I spent a fair amount on a bunch of ephemera to my a makeshift collage, aiming for something like the first picture below with a nice tray frame surrounding the entire collage, but now I'm thinking so attempting something like the second picture to work in the new print. Has anyone out there make a wall collage of his smaller works? If so, please share some pics. Thanks again! It is great that you are finding new artists that interest you. I'd suggest you worry less about categorizing the art and artist and just get to know each artist for who they are and their context.ย I'm pretty obsessed with Barry McGee but even more so with Gonz. Sounds like you are writing him off even before you learn to spell his name To me Gonz is fearless in everything he does. Gonz really seems to be able to produce art without filters like no one else.ย Back to Twist. I don't haven't found any books of his that I love. There are a few that are okย This one is ok but IMHO it tries to be to serious.ย www.amazon.ca/Barry-McGee-Alex-Baker/dp/1935202855/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1535174063&sr=8-2&keywords=barry+mcgee&dpID=6107F3%252BiGnL&preST=_SY264_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch This one has some great pics www.amazon.ca/Barry-McGee/dp/8862080964/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535174063&sr=8-1&keywords=barry+mcgee&dpID=51aRrGud8mL&preST=_SX198_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch This one was a bit of a let down but I just love the cover www.amazon.ca/Barry-McGee-Raphaela-Platow/dp/0962054585/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1535174259&sr=8-20&keywords=barry+mcgeeI'd second the recommendation to watch Beautiful Losers. The book is also great for pics. Again I wasn't blown away by the writing but the book is still worth picking up. One that I go back to frequently.ย There are a number of interesting documentaries on YouTube as well.ย I bet in the next few years there will be threads popping up like this on Gonz. That is if forums are still a thing in a few years.ย Have fun Lol very fair comments all around. I actually really like the skateboard artists I grew up with, but it's more of me believeing that they were not valued on the larger art market then a comment about their talent It seems like everyone tries to tow the line between what they like and investment value, and give empty excuses about the brilliance of whatever artist they want to make a buck off of. I'm very transparent: I collect for investment. My opinion is that there is SO much damn art out there that you will always be able to find works that you BOTH love and are a good investment. This is certainly a very specific attitude about collecting that I don't push on others, it's just the boundaries set for myself. I have poor impulse control, so I need rules lol. So finding McGee was a cool experience as it hit both of my prerequisites for collecting and his work is rooted in a genre that doesn't get the acclaim it deserves. Anyways, thank you all for the thoughtful comments and suggestions. If anyone has attempted a picture collage like his exhibitions please do not hesitate to post some pics!
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 22:58:58 GMT 1, I personally believe you have the wrong peer group for McGee. IMO, his peer group includes Fairey and Kaws. To me, McGee/Kaws/Fairey are the three legends to emerge out of the 90's US street scene, which I find to be distinct from the celebrated scene of the 1980's. All three rose during the nineties and then branched out in different directions and taking different paths to their current status as absolute legends. Kaws famously became 'big in Japan', and a branding superstar before reemerging on the contemporary art scene full-force in 2008 with Gering & Lopez. Fairey continued his democratic approach, including his early use of the internet, spraying out art at all possible price points, from t-shirts to 1/1 canvas works, while developing some truly iconic images (including the Obama Hope, which to me remains the most important artwork of the 21st century so far). McGee went the route of gallery representation(Deitch showed him in NYC in 1999), museum installations, and big splashes like participating in the 2001 Venice Biennale. He received early support from collectors in the worldwide contemporary art scene, over and above the support he received regionally in San Francisco as one of the 'mission school'. He crossed the $100k auction barrier back in 2003 for a gorgeous bottle installation. As stated above, I think McGee falls in to a crack on a forum like this, along with someone like Phil Frost, because there are no real flippy times to be had and they were established before the advent of the forums. I disagree. I wouldn't categorise Mcgee anywhere near Fairey or Kaws. He has more artistic talent than the other two for a start and more originality. He comes across as a bridge between Pop art and op art and urban art. Haring and Jasper Johns come to mind and agree the simplicity is deceiving at first glance as it's easy to overlook the sophistication that goes into his art. I imagine that people buy his art because they appreciate it. As opposed to thinking short term and buying whats fashionably flippable. The best collections have been built by people with a good eye who know what they like. Good points all around, but its hard to agree when it comes to Kaws. I mean its Kaws; beloved by all, and the subject of mass obsession in the both the media and public. Talent-wise, its all subjective, but I'm not sure McGee and Kaws are even close to the same ballpark. I mean there could be a ton of McGee enthusiasts that religiously collect his work, but the popularity and value wise, Kaws appears to be miles ahead. But then again, I didn't even know about McGee until recently so I'm clearly not a reputable source regarding this debate lol.
I personally believe you have the wrong peer group for McGee. IMO, his peer group includes Fairey and Kaws. To me, McGee/Kaws/Fairey are the three legends to emerge out of the 90's US street scene, which I find to be distinct from the celebrated scene of the 1980's. All three rose during the nineties and then branched out in different directions and taking different paths to their current status as absolute legends. Kaws famously became 'big in Japan', and a branding superstar before reemerging on the contemporary art scene full-force in 2008 with Gering & Lopez. Fairey continued his democratic approach, including his early use of the internet, spraying out art at all possible price points, from t-shirts to 1/1 canvas works, while developing some truly iconic images (including the Obama Hope, which to me remains the most important artwork of the 21st century so far). McGee went the route of gallery representation(Deitch showed him in NYC in 1999), museum installations, and big splashes like participating in the 2001 Venice Biennale. He received early support from collectors in the worldwide contemporary art scene, over and above the support he received regionally in San Francisco as one of the 'mission school'. He crossed the $100k auction barrier back in 2003 for a gorgeous bottle installation. As stated above, I think McGee falls in to a crack on a forum like this, along with someone like Phil Frost, because there are no real flippy times to be had and they were established before the advent of the forums. I disagree. I wouldn't categorise Mcgee anywhere near Fairey or Kaws. He has more artistic talent than the other two for a start and more originality. He comes across as a bridge between Pop art and op art and urban art. Haring and Jasper Johns come to mind and agree the simplicity is deceiving at first glance as it's easy to overlook the sophistication that goes into his art. I imagine that people buy his art because they appreciate it. As opposed to thinking short term and buying whats fashionably flippable. The best collections have been built by people with a good eye who know what they like. Good points all around, but its hard to agree when it comes to Kaws. I mean its Kaws; beloved by all, and the subject of mass obsession in the both the media and public. Talent-wise, its all subjective, but I'm not sure McGee and Kaws are even close to the same ballpark. I mean there could be a ton of McGee enthusiasts that religiously collect his work, but the popularity and value wise, Kaws appears to be miles ahead. But then again, I didn't even know about McGee until recently so I'm clearly not a reputable source regarding this debate lol.
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new signed barry mcgee edition, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 22:28:07 GMT 1, Gutted to have missed these. I quite fancy the unsigned poster, but $100! If anyone goes it would good to know if it's screen printed, and how it looks. They said itโs a screen print on heavy stock. Mine should be here soon, Iโll report once it arrives. Which one did you get? Did they send you a "shipped" email? thanks!
Gutted to have missed these. I quite fancy the unsigned poster, but $100! If anyone goes it would good to know if it's screen printed, and how it looks. They said itโs a screen print on heavy stock. Mine should be here soon, Iโll report once it arrives. Which one did you get? Did they send you a "shipped" email? thanks!
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 21:21:33 GMT 1, Update: The surfboards are a reoccurring edition they will carry on for the foreseeable future. They made a handful of ones with a red/blue pattern last year, a handful of the green/orange ones this year, and next years design will be burgundy. The rep I spoke with didn't know the exact edition of each variant, but there are only a few left of this years models, but they sold quite a few to brick-and-mortar retailers who are reselling them for $100-300 over the original publisher price.
Update: The surfboards are a reoccurring edition they will carry on for the foreseeable future. They made a handful of ones with a red/blue pattern last year, a handful of the green/orange ones this year, and next years design will be burgundy. The rep I spoke with didn't know the exact edition of each variant, but there are only a few left of this years models, but they sold quite a few to brick-and-mortar retailers who are reselling them for $100-300 over the original publisher price.
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 21:11:46 GMT 1, If you have bigger pockets, check the work at 18gallery. Still some work left I think..6.5k USD for a small acrylic panel to 168k for 66bottle (sold) Nice! Can you post the link? To rich for my blood, but I'm sure others will be interested. I've got way to much McGee coming in, I love finding a new artist to dive into, but I always end up buying to quickly.
I've also always wanted to learn to surf (I live in LA and it feel like an obligation), so the surfboard was a logical purchase for me. Plus, I'm sure I'm in the small minority, but I like his surfboard displays more then the bottles. Iconic art, massive size, limited, and functional, thats a pretty sweet package for under $500.
It would be nice if he numbered or released the edition info on these commercial collaborations. I bet a lot of them are super limited, and given his small output of prints, they could be nice collector items for the those who cant afford originals. I asked about the edition sizes on the boards and bandannas, and will let everyone know if they give me a response.
If you have bigger pockets, check the work at 18gallery. Still some work left I think..6.5k USD for a small acrylic panel to 168k for 66bottle (sold) Nice! Can you post the link? To rich for my blood, but I'm sure others will be interested. I've got way to much McGee coming in, I love finding a new artist to dive into, but I always end up buying to quickly. I've also always wanted to learn to surf (I live in LA and it feel like an obligation), so the surfboard was a logical purchase for me. Plus, I'm sure I'm in the small minority, but I like his surfboard displays more then the bottles. Iconic art, massive size, limited, and functional, thats a pretty sweet package for under $500. It would be nice if he numbered or released the edition info on these commercial collaborations. I bet a lot of them are super limited, and given his small output of prints, they could be nice collector items for the those who cant afford originals. I asked about the edition sizes on the boards and bandannas, and will let everyone know if they give me a response.
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 17:40:14 GMT 1, Thank you all for the great comments! I particularly like the note about his work being "deceptive." I think I was being my typical art snob self, and unconsciously lumped him into the skate-art sector, who like Mark Gonzalez, may be incredibly talented but will always be known for their contributions to one particular sub-culture. Seems like McGee has comparable institutional backing to kaws, but not the widespread fanatic fanbase. (On another note, does anyone else find it odd that a number of street artists have made it to the museum scene, but the self-appointed leader, Banksy, has not?)
Considering what y'all have said, it seems like $250 was a very reasonable price point for his prints. I do feel quite lucky to have found his work in time to nab a multiple! Does he always do stone lithographs, or are the new ones a different technique? Anyone seen them in the flesh?
Hind-sight is so 20-20, I spent a fair amount on a bunch of ephemera to my a makeshift collage, aiming for something like the first picture below with a nice tray frame surrounding the entire collage, but now I'm thinking so attempting something like the second picture to work in the new print. Has anyone out there make a wall collage of his smaller works? If so, please share some pics. Thanks again!
Thank you all for the great comments! I particularly like the note about his work being "deceptive." I think I was being my typical art snob self, and unconsciously lumped him into the skate-art sector, who like Mark Gonzalez, may be incredibly talented but will always be known for their contributions to one particular sub-culture. Seems like McGee has comparable institutional backing to kaws, but not the widespread fanatic fanbase. (On another note, does anyone else find it odd that a number of street artists have made it to the museum scene, but the self-appointed leader, Banksy, has not?) Considering what y'all have said, it seems like $250 was a very reasonable price point for his prints. I do feel quite lucky to have found his work in time to nab a multiple! Does he always do stone lithographs, or are the new ones a different technique? Anyone seen them in the flesh? Hind-sight is so 20-20, I spent a fair amount on a bunch of ephemera to my a makeshift collage, aiming for something like the first picture below with a nice tray frame surrounding the entire collage, but now I'm thinking so attempting something like the second picture to work in the new print. Has anyone out there make a wall collage of his smaller works? If so, please share some pics. Thanks again!
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 6:15:05 GMT 1, McGee x BAST! Do these characters have names and backstories?
McGee x BAST! Do these characters have names and backstories?
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 6:02:00 GMT 1, Haha I think what you have stumbled on is the narrow focus of this forum. Over the years it has become about flipping not about art. Twist is next level. There are lots of us who are perhaps overly obsessed with his work. Who try to pick up whatever we can afford and hold on to it with no thought of selling. The guy has 3 solo shows on at the same time right now. One in Cali, one in NY and one in Europe. What other artist can say that? I think he is careful about what he releases and how. He seems to do things to limit the appeal to flippers and makes things that are tough to categorize that are awkward and not as visually appealing to many. But those who see it, see it. It is a different crowd that buys his stuff. They are less likely to flip, less likely to buy from flippers or be on forums like this. This forum for the most part is focused on the quick flip, the sure things and the long shot lottery artists hoping they will be the next Banksy. It wasn't always like that. Oh and Os Gemeos who you mentioned, Mr. McGee discovered them. Twist is likely your favorite artist's favorite artist. But that is all I'm going to say about that because there is already enough competition out here for his affordable stuff. Thank you for such a thoughtful response. Id love to hear more of your thoughts if your comfortable sharing. The reason I'm asking is I seem to have just stumbled upon McGee and immediately became infatuated. For the life of me I can't explain why. His art is difficult to articulate. I guess I'm just trying to figure out why I like it lol.
Your spot on in terms of his commercial collaborations, prints and otherwise, he is selective. The pic below is a beach towel produced in an edition of 40. 40! For a fu$king beach towel! I also found some limited edition bandannas. I'm gonna stretch them all over different sized canvases and recreate on of his image collages. I also was lucky enough to see the post about the print and impulsely bought the very last one. It's funny, I've been trying for weeks to figure out how I could get one of his works on the wall, and one falls into my lap. what's the best book for an overview of his body of work?
Haha I think what you have stumbled on is the narrow focus of this forum. Over the years it has become about flipping not about art. Twist is next level. There are lots of us who are perhaps overly obsessed with his work. Who try to pick up whatever we can afford and hold on to it with no thought of selling. The guy has 3 solo shows on at the same time right now. One in Cali, one in NY and one in Europe. What other artist can say that? I think he is careful about what he releases and how. He seems to do things to limit the appeal to flippers and makes things that are tough to categorize that are awkward and not as visually appealing to many. But those who see it, see it. It is a different crowd that buys his stuff. They are less likely to flip, less likely to buy from flippers or be on forums like this. This forum for the most part is focused on the quick flip, the sure things and the long shot lottery artists hoping they will be the next Banksy. It wasn't always like that. Oh and Os Gemeos who you mentioned, Mr. McGee discovered them. Twist is likely your favorite artist's favorite artist. But that is all I'm going to say about that because there is already enough competition out here for his affordable stuff. Thank you for such a thoughtful response. Id love to hear more of your thoughts if your comfortable sharing. The reason I'm asking is I seem to have just stumbled upon McGee and immediately became infatuated. For the life of me I can't explain why. His art is difficult to articulate. I guess I'm just trying to figure out why I like it lol. Your spot on in terms of his commercial collaborations, prints and otherwise, he is selective. The pic below is a beach towel produced in an edition of 40. 40! For a fu$king beach towel! I also found some limited edition bandannas. I'm gonna stretch them all over different sized canvases and recreate on of his image collages. I also was lucky enough to see the post about the print and impulsely bought the very last one. It's funny, I've been trying for weeks to figure out how I could get one of his works on the wall, and one falls into my lap. what's the best book for an overview of his body of work?
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Barry McGee ๐บ๐ธ Mission School Art Movement, by Howard Johnson on Aug 24, 2018 1:56:35 GMT 1, Can someone please explain the Barry McGee collector market to me?
He seems to fall into the "legend outlier" group, ie Futura/Chaz/Saber/Ect, where their work commands widespread respect, but they've either past their prime or never grew beyond a small regional market. I mean, I can't recall the last time we were all clamoring for a Doze Green exhibition or whatever.
I've always assumed McGee was in this category, respected by not ravenous collected. I recently saw one of his big collages, was very impressed, and took a look around to see what was available for yee ol' collection.
Truth is, its not much.
Honestly, the best money spent is on a surfboard collab, simply for the size of the pattern. Other than that, its only clothes and posters that are available, eBay included. It seems like he made a few editions, but they dont seem to be sold frequently, and are crazy expensive. The work he does put out sells immediately, and his original works seems to command really high prices.
But, hes not really part of the conversation, in terms of sales or new work. It could be that I only recently discovered his art, and therefore unknowingly wasn't paying attention, but I'm on here quite a bit and dont think I'm wrong about that. The guy did sell out 2 editions TODAY without any fanfare whatsoever.
So, here is why I'm confused. You have a very talented, but only modestly popular artist, whos work is reminiscent of skateboard/surfing culture, in the sense that it doesn't overtly tackle complicated issues (no art needs to do this, but it can often effect how people react to it), and his work is as valuable as the major players (Os Gemeos, Invader, Fairey, Ect.), who we ravenously discuss everyday.
But why?
Did he produce only a small amount of work, driving demand unnaturally high? Does he have academic support, ie museums/institutions/foundations/the white people who choose what art is "good"? Is his work just really really good and my involvement is skate/surf/bro culture makes me bias?
What am I missing?
Can someone please explain the Barry McGee collector market to me?
He seems to fall into the "legend outlier" group, ie Futura/Chaz/Saber/Ect, where their work commands widespread respect, but they've either past their prime or never grew beyond a small regional market. I mean, I can't recall the last time we were all clamoring for a Doze Green exhibition or whatever.
I've always assumed McGee was in this category, respected by not ravenous collected. I recently saw one of his big collages, was very impressed, and took a look around to see what was available for yee ol' collection.
Truth is, its not much.
Honestly, the best money spent is on a surfboard collab, simply for the size of the pattern. Other than that, its only clothes and posters that are available, eBay included. It seems like he made a few editions, but they dont seem to be sold frequently, and are crazy expensive. The work he does put out sells immediately, and his original works seems to command really high prices.
But, hes not really part of the conversation, in terms of sales or new work. It could be that I only recently discovered his art, and therefore unknowingly wasn't paying attention, but I'm on here quite a bit and dont think I'm wrong about that. The guy did sell out 2 editions TODAY without any fanfare whatsoever.
So, here is why I'm confused. You have a very talented, but only modestly popular artist, whos work is reminiscent of skateboard/surfing culture, in the sense that it doesn't overtly tackle complicated issues (no art needs to do this, but it can often effect how people react to it), and his work is as valuable as the major players (Os Gemeos, Invader, Fairey, Ect.), who we ravenously discuss everyday.
But why?
Did he produce only a small amount of work, driving demand unnaturally high? Does he have academic support, ie museums/institutions/foundations/the white people who choose what art is "good"? Is his work just really really good and my involvement is skate/surf/bro culture makes me bias?
What am I missing?
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Richard Prince ๐บ๐ธ Painter & Photographer โข Art For Sale, by Howard Johnson on Aug 23, 2018 22:02:20 GMT 1, Nope. I think his reaction to the Suicide Girls situation is pretty good evidence of that. I've used a handful of his images in my own work (I typically add layers of paint and collage to obscure the source image) because I believe he would be supportive of others appropriating and reworking his imagery. It's kinds his whole artistic philosophy. I think he has a good sense of humour and I saw some great paintings of fishermen and octopuppies on his website. I guess he painted those himself ? On the plagiarism side i'm sort of in two minds about Prince as he stole and made a lot of money out of people who make very little money plus combined it with a lot of arrogance. Hes one of those artist that explicitly raises the question, "what is art?" To me, these types of artists tend to be the most interesting.
Has he "stolen" from other artists? Yes and no.
There are very few works of his that are straight up appropriations. At the very least he rephotographs the original works, and in doing so, typically changes the composition and usually the overall meaning of the image. More often then not, he uses appropriated images as part of collage or painting or makes completely original images (like the one this thread pertains too). The Instagram portraits are another story, but I harbor the conspiracy theory that specific exhibition was really about the public's reaction to the art as it was about the artwork itself.
Prince is probably the most notorious "appropriation artist," but the reality is that some of Shepard Fairey's work is just as "bad" if not worse, and Mr. B himself arguably used the same tactics when creating some of his most iconic images.
Richard just confronts it head on; its like he walks out of a gallery with someones painting, walks to his studio and displays it as his own, then throws his middle finger in the air and asks the world "what are you gonna do about it." This is an exaggeration of course, but his publicity campaigns often feel like that is exactly what is happening. Its ballsy, anti-authoritarian, and flys in the face of everything the elite art world and their lawyers represent.
In other words, hes philosophy shares many similarities to the major street artists, and his work has consistently pushed the bounds of what is acceptable and what is "art." You may not always like the work itself, but the dude is certainly one of the most interesting artists of our generation.
Nope. I think his reaction to the Suicide Girls situation is pretty good evidence of that. I've used a handful of his images in my own work (I typically add layers of paint and collage to obscure the source image) because I believe he would be supportive of others appropriating and reworking his imagery. It's kinds his whole artistic philosophy. I think he has a good sense of humour and I saw some great paintings of fishermen and octopuppies on his website. I guess he painted those himself ? On the plagiarism side i'm sort of in two minds about Prince as he stole and made a lot of money out of people who make very little money plus combined it with a lot of arrogance. Hes one of those artist that explicitly raises the question, "what is art?" To me, these types of artists tend to be the most interesting. Has he "stolen" from other artists? Yes and no. There are very few works of his that are straight up appropriations. At the very least he rephotographs the original works, and in doing so, typically changes the composition and usually the overall meaning of the image. More often then not, he uses appropriated images as part of collage or painting or makes completely original images (like the one this thread pertains too). The Instagram portraits are another story, but I harbor the conspiracy theory that specific exhibition was really about the public's reaction to the art as it was about the artwork itself. Prince is probably the most notorious "appropriation artist," but the reality is that some of Shepard Fairey's work is just as "bad" if not worse, and Mr. B himself arguably used the same tactics when creating some of his most iconic images. Richard just confronts it head on; its like he walks out of a gallery with someones painting, walks to his studio and displays it as his own, then throws his middle finger in the air and asks the world "what are you gonna do about it." This is an exaggeration of course, but his publicity campaigns often feel like that is exactly what is happening. Its ballsy, anti-authoritarian, and flys in the face of everything the elite art world and their lawyers represent. In other words, hes philosophy shares many similarities to the major street artists, and his work has consistently pushed the bounds of what is acceptable and what is "art." You may not always like the work itself, but the dude is certainly one of the most interesting artists of our generation.
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Richard Prince ๐บ๐ธ Painter & Photographer โข Art For Sale, by Howard Johnson on Aug 23, 2018 20:54:07 GMT 1, would Prince mind if someone appropriated his stormy daniels photo mix thing and re sold it under their name as appropriation art? Nope. I think his reaction to the Suicide Girls situation is pretty good evidence of that. I've used a handful of his images in my own work (I typically add layers of paint and collage to obscure the source image) because I believe he would be supportive of others appropriating and reworking his imagery. It's kinds his whole artistic philosophy.
would Prince mind if someone appropriated his stormy daniels photo mix thing and re sold it under their name as appropriation art? Nope. I think his reaction to the Suicide Girls situation is pretty good evidence of that. I've used a handful of his images in my own work (I typically add layers of paint and collage to obscure the source image) because I believe he would be supportive of others appropriating and reworking his imagery. It's kinds his whole artistic philosophy.
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Richard Prince ๐บ๐ธ Painter & Photographer โข Art For Sale, by Howard Johnson on Aug 23, 2018 1:57:43 GMT 1, Hey guys. As many of you know I'm an obsessive Richard Prince fan, and I unfortunately missed out on the signed print. I did get an unsigned one and was wondering if anyone would be willing to swap me their signed copy, with cash or a trade on top? I have portfolios full of richard prince ephemera to choose from if you fancy a trade, or we can just do good ol' trade plus cash. Fingers crossed. Thank you in advance!
Hey guys. As many of you know I'm an obsessive Richard Prince fan, and I unfortunately missed out on the signed print. I did get an unsigned one and was wondering if anyone would be willing to swap me their signed copy, with cash or a trade on top? I have portfolios full of richard prince ephemera to choose from if you fancy a trade, or we can just do good ol' trade plus cash. Fingers crossed. Thank you in advance!
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Retna โข American Revolutionaries, by Howard Johnson on Aug 20, 2018 20:09:01 GMT 1, Retna "American Revolutionaries"
Print Details:
Year: 2009
Class: Art Print
Status: Official
Released: 07/20/09
Run: 50
Technique: Screen Print
Paper: Stonehenge 320gsm 100% Cotton Ar
Size: 28 X 39
Markings: Signed & Numbered
Putting this print up for sale to see if I can get a quick deal worked out within the week. If not, I'll be fixing the damage and framing it up. The print is minty except a very small tear on one edge (see pics).
Asking price is $5.5k $4.5k OBO (trades plus cash considered for retna, banksy, kaws, 90s obey, John Baldessari, Damien Hirst, or Richard Prince works).
Pickup in Los Angeles preferred so that the buyer can inspect the print beforehand, but happy to ship worldwide. Thank you!
Retna "American Revolutionaries" Print Details:Year: 2009 Class: Art Print Status: Official Released: 07/20/09 Run: 50 Technique: Screen Print Paper: Stonehenge 320gsm 100% Cotton Ar Size: 28 X 39 Markings: Signed & Numbered Putting this print up for sale to see if I can get a quick deal worked out within the week. If not, I'll be fixing the damage and framing it up. The print is minty except a very small tear on one edge (see pics). Asking price is $ 5.5k $4.5k OBO (trades plus cash considered for retna, banksy, kaws, 90s obey, John Baldessari, Damien Hirst, or Richard Prince works). Pickup in Los Angeles preferred so that the buyer can inspect the print beforehand, but happy to ship worldwide. Thank you!
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Roy Lichtenstein ๐บ๐ธ Pop Art โข Whaam โข Print For Sale, by Howard Johnson on Aug 17, 2018 18:02:16 GMT 1, Bumping because I need to sell something TODAY. All reasonable cash or cash plus trade offers will be considered. Get at me!
Bumping because I need to sell something TODAY. All reasonable cash or cash plus trade offers will be considered. Get at me!
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UAA Exclusive "Drop" Thread , by Howard Johnson on Aug 17, 2018 2:33:39 GMT 1, Couple cheap ones from Barry McGee and Paul Insect
Mcgee - www.icastore.org/catalogsearch/result/?q=mcgee -https://mocastore.org/products/rvca-barry-mcgee-power-poster
Insect -https://www.boo-hooray.com/pages/books/3977/boo-hooray-paul-insect/paul-insect-afrika-bambaataa-silkscreen-print
Couple cheap ones from Barry McGee and Paul Insect Mcgee - www.icastore.org/catalogsearch/result/?q=mcgee-https://mocastore.org/products/rvca-barry-mcgee-power-poster Insect -https://www.boo-hooray.com/pages/books/3977/boo-hooray-paul-insect/paul-insect-afrika-bambaataa-silkscreen-print
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Roy Lichtenstein ๐บ๐ธ Pop Art โข Whaam โข Print For Sale, by Howard Johnson on Aug 16, 2018 17:21:57 GMT 1, ยกBump city for some great prices!
ยกBump city for some great prices!
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Banksy Photo Prints by James Pfaff, by Howard Johnson on Aug 8, 2018 0:40:18 GMT 1, This is a great find! Very innovative portraits, especially since such few photos of Mr. B. exist.
That being said, these 6" x 8" photographs are insanely priced. Maybe its something to do with the printing process, but surly these could be developed in a larger format to justify the price and massive edition. I usually love stuff like this, but a drug-store photograph with an edition of 500 should be signed by Banksy himself if your going to charge $300 a pop.
This is a great find! Very innovative portraits, especially since such few photos of Mr. B. exist.
That being said, these 6" x 8" photographs are insanely priced. Maybe its something to do with the printing process, but surly these could be developed in a larger format to justify the price and massive edition. I usually love stuff like this, but a drug-store photograph with an edition of 500 should be signed by Banksy himself if your going to charge $300 a pop.
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