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Art Needed for LA Gallery Show , by Howard Johnson on Jan 22, 2015 22:15:11 GMT 1, In late February, I am hosting a fundraising Gallery show in Los Angeles to benefit The Dotted Line Reporter (dlreporter.com). We are an art and entertainment blog that provides free legal resources for artists and entertainment professionals. The money raised in the show will go towards developing more of these resources, as well as a searchable database so that artists can easily research their legal rights.
We have had a great turn out of donations and the show will exhibit works from Banksy, Shepard Fairey, D*face, Jeremey Geddes, and a ton of other local LA artists. We wanted to invite the LA art collecting community the chance to contribute to our cause. We are looking for framed urban or contemporary artwork to sell at the show. We are asking that any participants donate a percentage of the sales price of the work to our organization. I will create a tread for the show in the art events section closer to the opening date, but if your interested in what pieces will be shown I am slowly debuting them on my Instagram - instagram.com/christoffergaddini/.
On the flip side, if your willing to donate any framed or unframed artwork to our cause, we are happy to promote your or your organization in all of our marketing materials.
Finally, we are in dire need of frames for the work, so if you happen to have any unused framed lying around your house we would be happy to take them off your hands!
If your interested in donating or showing your artwork, please shoot me a PM and we can discuss the specifics. Thank you!
In late February, I am hosting a fundraising Gallery show in Los Angeles to benefit The Dotted Line Reporter (dlreporter.com). We are an art and entertainment blog that provides free legal resources for artists and entertainment professionals. The money raised in the show will go towards developing more of these resources, as well as a searchable database so that artists can easily research their legal rights. We have had a great turn out of donations and the show will exhibit works from Banksy, Shepard Fairey, D*face, Jeremey Geddes, and a ton of other local LA artists. We wanted to invite the LA art collecting community the chance to contribute to our cause. We are looking for framed urban or contemporary artwork to sell at the show. We are asking that any participants donate a percentage of the sales price of the work to our organization. I will create a tread for the show in the art events section closer to the opening date, but if your interested in what pieces will be shown I am slowly debuting them on my Instagram - instagram.com/christoffergaddini/. On the flip side, if your willing to donate any framed or unframed artwork to our cause, we are happy to promote your or your organization in all of our marketing materials. Finally, we are in dire need of frames for the work, so if you happen to have any unused framed lying around your house we would be happy to take them off your hands! If your interested in donating or showing your artwork, please shoot me a PM and we can discuss the specifics. Thank you!
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by Howard Johnson on Jan 14, 2015 23:11:09 GMT 1, I never understood the hype behind Dolk, until I came across this piece. As an ex-punker, I have always proudly tried to embody the rebellious spirit of that scene. However, looking back it was really easy to see how my blind rebellion during those years really limited me in a ton of ways. This piece perfectly embodies such reflection and hopefully serve as a reminder to focus such rebellion in meaningful ways. Plus, there is an undeniable appeal to the punk aesthetic that Dolk simply and effectually incorporates into this image.
I never understood the hype behind Dolk, until I came across this piece. As an ex-punker, I have always proudly tried to embody the rebellious spirit of that scene. However, looking back it was really easy to see how my blind rebellion during those years really limited me in a ton of ways. This piece perfectly embodies such reflection and hopefully serve as a reminder to focus such rebellion in meaningful ways. Plus, there is an undeniable appeal to the punk aesthetic that Dolk simply and effectually incorporates into this image.
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The Art Police, by Howard Johnson on Dec 26, 2014 7:31:41 GMT 1, This thread is a fantastic read, I'm really glad I'm not the only one dealing with this issue. I just moved in with my girlfriend, and its been quite the change. I usually like to keep my collection very fluid, and changed the pieces and orientation in my old pad almost every month. My girl put a firm veto on this, and outright would not allow me to put up a D*face OG I sold almost all my collection to get. Granted, the D*face piece actually scares her, so I've been dutifully storing it in the closet. I just got my first Banksy, and I fear she will lay down the law with that as well (Queen Vic, not exactly girlfriend friendly). On the other hand she likes my Faile's and puts up with my other D*faces because she knows how much I like them, so I guess it could be worse.
This thread is a fantastic read, I'm really glad I'm not the only one dealing with this issue. I just moved in with my girlfriend, and its been quite the change. I usually like to keep my collection very fluid, and changed the pieces and orientation in my old pad almost every month. My girl put a firm veto on this, and outright would not allow me to put up a D*face OG I sold almost all my collection to get. Granted, the D*face piece actually scares her, so I've been dutifully storing it in the closet. I just got my first Banksy, and I fear she will lay down the law with that as well (Queen Vic, not exactly girlfriend friendly). On the other hand she likes my Faile's and puts up with my other D*faces because she knows how much I like them, so I guess it could be worse.
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Trade: DFace Rear View at cost for Conor Harrington at cost, by Howard Johnson on Dec 25, 2014 7:45:31 GMT 1, I've got a More Punk AP.and a Kiss of Death I may be willing to trade. Shoot me a PM if your interested
I've got a More Punk AP.and a Kiss of Death I may be willing to trade. Shoot me a PM if your interested
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DFace โข Rear View Print, by Howard Johnson on Dec 15, 2014 22:11:14 GMT 1, I wanted to ask you guys. I have been looking at d*face and his prices in terms of investment and collecting and I have not seen his work increase much in terms of investing. His work hold value for sure and people that sell it on ebay seem to inflate the price as most do but I wanted to ask peoples opinion about this. Do you see D*face and his work going up as time goes on? Or do you think it just holds value? I have taken hours to look since I have started collecting and it seems other then inflated prices, his work holds value more then increases in value in terms of prints. UNLESS its of course low number edition prints or originals then his work goes up plenty. As a collector, I collect for both investment and personal. I do not have any of his work yet but I have looked on expresso bean when negotiating prices for his work and people seem to argue that his work is more expensive when selling it then it says on EB. So I figured Id ask peoples opinions on here. Thanks
Start a tread dedicated to topic, as I'd love to hear everyones thoughts. Consensus seems to be that his style is over done, and thus each release is kind of diluting the market. I cruised some earlier d*face threads and found similar complaints when he was doing his portrait work, and those have increased in value. I don't think he has the broad appeal of say Banksy, but collectors/lovers of his work go head over heels for his work (myself included). His prints are absolutely fantastic in person, and I would highly recommend picking up an image you like regardless of the investment value.
I wanted to ask you guys. I have been looking at d*face and his prices in terms of investment and collecting and I have not seen his work increase much in terms of investing. His work hold value for sure and people that sell it on ebay seem to inflate the price as most do but I wanted to ask peoples opinion about this. Do you see D*face and his work going up as time goes on? Or do you think it just holds value? I have taken hours to look since I have started collecting and it seems other then inflated prices, his work holds value more then increases in value in terms of prints. UNLESS its of course low number edition prints or originals then his work goes up plenty. As a collector, I collect for both investment and personal. I do not have any of his work yet but I have looked on expresso bean when negotiating prices for his work and people seem to argue that his work is more expensive when selling it then it says on EB. So I figured Id ask peoples opinions on here. Thanks Start a tread dedicated to topic, as I'd love to hear everyones thoughts. Consensus seems to be that his style is over done, and thus each release is kind of diluting the market. I cruised some earlier d*face threads and found similar complaints when he was doing his portrait work, and those have increased in value. I don't think he has the broad appeal of say Banksy, but collectors/lovers of his work go head over heels for his work (myself included). His prints are absolutely fantastic in person, and I would highly recommend picking up an image you like regardless of the investment value.
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: Dolk "Punk" WT: DFace "More Punk" (Orange AP), by Howard Johnson on Dec 14, 2014 3:11:50 GMT 1, Title says it all, looking to swap punks! My Orange More Punk is an AP and it comes with a cert. I'm based in LA, and would prefer a local swap. Happy to add cash for a hand-finished version as well.
Title says it all, looking to swap punks! My Orange More Punk is an AP and it comes with a cert. I'm based in LA, and would prefer a local swap. Happy to add cash for a hand-finished version as well.
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New Pose print โBlotโ available now from LSC, by Howard Johnson on Dec 13, 2014 22:22:24 GMT 1, Initially I was pretty bummed I missed out on these HPMs, but after a second look I think the OG print is more appealing. POSE's work is so busy as it is and the hand finishing on these kinda makes the print almost too chaotic. Then again, that could be jealousy talking...
Initially I was pretty bummed I missed out on these HPMs, but after a second look I think the OG print is more appealing. POSE's work is so busy as it is and the hand finishing on these kinda makes the print almost too chaotic. Then again, that could be jealousy talking...
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Your Favorite Art Purchase Of 2014, by Howard Johnson on Dec 11, 2014 3:21:07 GMT 1, This one landed the other day. May be my favorite art purchase of my entire collecting career!
This one landed the other day. May be my favorite art purchase of my entire collecting career!
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Banksy Prices Up or Down?, by Howard Johnson on Dec 10, 2014 0:29:52 GMT 1, Also, I was just rereading this thread, and i have no clue why anyone would think him being outed would have a negative effect on the price of his work. Do we really think his prices are so high because he is anonymous, or because of the lack of work available to purchase, and because of the quality of the work he puts forth... Also, him being outed just means people would have a name to go by, other than Mr B... it wouldn't mean that the market is flooded with Banksy product, his prices are high because of the demand. I would argue the demand has little to nothing to do with who he is at this point, and everything to do with the work itself... Sorry, but I just don't see it... If he was outed I don't think it would have a negative effect on his work, and it would probably increases prices in the short term due to the publicity. However, long term, I think his prices would get much higher if he remained anonymous until his death. From an historically standpoint, it would absolutely add to his overall appeal that he was able to conduct his amazing artistic career completely anonymously. In the world we live in its frankly baffling that he hasn't been outed as of yet, and with the world growing ever more interconnected its going to seem even more impressive in the future.
Obviously, this sort of thing really only applies to future collectors. We all live in a world were a ton of urban artists remain anonymous, and we except that it comes with the territory.
Also, I was just rereading this thread, and i have no clue why anyone would think him being outed would have a negative effect on the price of his work. Do we really think his prices are so high because he is anonymous, or because of the lack of work available to purchase, and because of the quality of the work he puts forth... Also, him being outed just means people would have a name to go by, other than Mr B... it wouldn't mean that the market is flooded with Banksy product, his prices are high because of the demand. I would argue the demand has little to nothing to do with who he is at this point, and everything to do with the work itself... Sorry, but I just don't see it... If he was outed I don't think it would have a negative effect on his work, and it would probably increases prices in the short term due to the publicity. However, long term, I think his prices would get much higher if he remained anonymous until his death. From an historically standpoint, it would absolutely add to his overall appeal that he was able to conduct his amazing artistic career completely anonymously. In the world we live in its frankly baffling that he hasn't been outed as of yet, and with the world growing ever more interconnected its going to seem even more impressive in the future. Obviously, this sort of thing really only applies to future collectors. We all live in a world were a ton of urban artists remain anonymous, and we except that it comes with the territory.
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Banksy Prices Up or Down?, by Howard Johnson on Dec 8, 2014 22:46:20 GMT 1, In my opinion the Banksy market is pretty volatile. His allure has always been him anonymity (and amazing art), and there is no telling what may happen if he's eventually outed. It may increase prices in short term due to the media exposure, or the market could plummet in the wake of bad publicity. That being said, if he remains anonymous I think his work's value may exceed that of all other contemporary artists. When you look at the volume of work he's produced its incredible small when compared to Picasso, Warhol, or any other important historical artist.
In my opinion the Banksy market is pretty volatile. His allure has always been him anonymity (and amazing art), and there is no telling what may happen if he's eventually outed. It may increase prices in short term due to the media exposure, or the market could plummet in the wake of bad publicity. That being said, if he remains anonymous I think his work's value may exceed that of all other contemporary artists. When you look at the volume of work he's produced its incredible small when compared to Picasso, Warhol, or any other important historical artist.
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WBT: Fairey "Marilyn Warhol" or "Andre Hendrix" , by Howard Johnson on Dec 8, 2014 0:17:14 GMT 1, I missed out on the recent auction and I've got the itch to pick up one of these grails. I'm open to any and all prints regardless of damage (I'd actually prefer a damaged one considering what these are going for). I'm open to cash, trade, or partial trade plus cash. I'm located in Los Angeles and will be in Sacramento for Christmas, and can pay cash or do a face to face trade if your within reasonable driving distance of either of those locations.
As far as trades go I have a number of D*face prints and an OG, Wahol, and some "Banksy." Please get in touch and I will provide detailed pictures of anything listed below. Thanks!
D*face -Kiss of Death -More Punk Than You Punk (Orange AP) -Saddo (Unique Test Print) -Zombie Ziggy (Spray paint on Aluminum)
Warhol -Cow (1976 version)
"Banksy" (as far as I know) -POW Skull Pasters
I missed out on the recent auction and I've got the itch to pick up one of these grails. I'm open to any and all prints regardless of damage (I'd actually prefer a damaged one considering what these are going for). I'm open to cash, trade, or partial trade plus cash. I'm located in Los Angeles and will be in Sacramento for Christmas, and can pay cash or do a face to face trade if your within reasonable driving distance of either of those locations.
As far as trades go I have a number of D*face prints and an OG, Wahol, and some "Banksy." Please get in touch and I will provide detailed pictures of anything listed below. Thanks!
D*face -Kiss of Death -More Punk Than You Punk (Orange AP) -Saddo (Unique Test Print) -Zombie Ziggy (Spray paint on Aluminum)
Warhol -Cow (1976 version)
"Banksy" (as far as I know) -POW Skull Pasters
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original street art piece for my Mom, by Howard Johnson on Dec 7, 2014 4:09:39 GMT 1, I'd recommend checking out Grafter. His prints are all hand stenciled so they are pretty much like OGs, and his images are usually family friendly. I picked up one his splash pieces for my mom earlier this year and she loves it!
I'd recommend checking out Grafter. His prints are all hand stenciled so they are pretty much like OGs, and his images are usually family friendly. I picked up one his splash pieces for my mom earlier this year and she loves it!
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Howard Johnson on Dec 6, 2014 2:14:25 GMT 1, Nuart, you raise some really good points. I never thought of the tagging as a criticism on the high art ballet depiction but thats a great viewpoint. While I agree that corporations have the means to enforce copyrights, and are often the one to do so, I think that the brunt of protections still are there for artists. A good example is the recent suit against American Eagle by street artist AholSniffsGlue. They used his art without his permission in an ad campaign and he was able to force them to stop by enforcing his copyrights. So could Penguin books sue Harland Miller?
Its possible, this sort of thing would infringe trademark rights as well as copyrights. However, the freedom of speech exceptions would likely cover him. Theres also a legal defense called "latches" which means that they cant sue if they were aware of it and didn't do anything to try and prevent it at the time.
Urban artists have pushed the boundaries of what can legally be appropriated, and the two major lawsuits that would have settled what level of appropriation is legally allowed (Shepard Fairey & Mr. Brainwash) both settled, so their really isn't any clear rules other than the Prince decision (which is a clusterfu**k of a rule). Courts tend to be realists when it comes to laying down these rules, and the sheer amount of appropriation that takes place, and is passively allowed, in the urban art scene suggests that they would likely expand the fair use exception beyond where its currently at.
In regards to that bicycle photo, copyright only lasts for a certain amount of time (usually the life of the author plus 70 years) so that photo is probably in the public domain by now. However, another thing to consider is whats called a "right of publicity" which belongs to the person depicted in art and photographs. This right survives death and could be invoked by the estate of that old dude on the bicycle or the ballerina in the MW print.
Nuart, you raise some really good points. I never thought of the tagging as a criticism on the high art ballet depiction but thats a great viewpoint. While I agree that corporations have the means to enforce copyrights, and are often the one to do so, I think that the brunt of protections still are there for artists. A good example is the recent suit against American Eagle by street artist AholSniffsGlue. They used his art without his permission in an ad campaign and he was able to force them to stop by enforcing his copyrights. So could Penguin books sue Harland Miller? Its possible, this sort of thing would infringe trademark rights as well as copyrights. However, the freedom of speech exceptions would likely cover him. Theres also a legal defense called "latches" which means that they cant sue if they were aware of it and didn't do anything to try and prevent it at the time. Urban artists have pushed the boundaries of what can legally be appropriated, and the two major lawsuits that would have settled what level of appropriation is legally allowed (Shepard Fairey & Mr. Brainwash) both settled, so their really isn't any clear rules other than the Prince decision (which is a clusterfu**k of a rule). Courts tend to be realists when it comes to laying down these rules, and the sheer amount of appropriation that takes place, and is passively allowed, in the urban art scene suggests that they would likely expand the fair use exception beyond where its currently at. In regards to that bicycle photo, copyright only lasts for a certain amount of time (usually the life of the author plus 70 years) so that photo is probably in the public domain by now. However, another thing to consider is whats called a "right of publicity" which belongs to the person depicted in art and photographs. This right survives death and could be invoked by the estate of that old dude on the bicycle or the ballerina in the MW print.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Howard Johnson on Dec 5, 2014 22:49:31 GMT 1, Nuart, you raise some really good points. I never thought of the tagging as a criticism on the high art ballet depiction but thats a great viewpoint. While I agree that corporations have the means to enforce copyrights, and are often the one to do so, I think that the brunt of protections still are there for artists. A good example is the recent suit against American Eagle by street artist AholSniffsGlue. They used his art without his permission in an ad campaign and he was able to force them to stop by enforcing his copyrights.
Nuart, you raise some really good points. I never thought of the tagging as a criticism on the high art ballet depiction but thats a great viewpoint. While I agree that corporations have the means to enforce copyrights, and are often the one to do so, I think that the brunt of protections still are there for artists. A good example is the recent suit against American Eagle by street artist AholSniffsGlue. They used his art without his permission in an ad campaign and he was able to force them to stop by enforcing his copyrights.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Howard Johnson on Dec 5, 2014 4:33:06 GMT 1, Such vomit. Artists should be exempt from this constricting whiteman bulls**t. The purpose of copyright law is to protect artists. Every single working artist (visual artists, authors, filmmakers) relys on these protections to make a living.
Such vomit. Artists should be exempt from this constricting whiteman bulls**t. The purpose of copyright law is to protect artists. Every single working artist (visual artists, authors, filmmakers) relys on these protections to make a living.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Howard Johnson on Dec 5, 2014 3:46:44 GMT 1, This tread is a great read. I'm surprised that their aren't more lawyers on this forum, or maybe they decided not to chime in. I run an art law blog, and we've written articles about Price and how to legally incorporate copyrighted material into art work under fair use (their included below if anyone is interested).
While Price did fundamentally change the application of fair use (the standard is that the new workโs expression and presentation are fundamentally different to an average viewer), that rule technically is only applicable in the 2nd circuit (NY), and the original artist would likely have a very strong case against MW if he filed suit in any other district. The majority rule is that an artist needs to directly comment or criticize the original work, in order to be deemed "transformative." This would apply to the Banksy/Hirst image; Banksy uses the copyrighted material of another artist to comment directly on said copyrighted material. D*face uses aspects of Lichtenstein's work to criticize Lichtenstein's glorification of americana. MW's image does not not contain the same type of direct criticism.
Further, copyright exists in many different aspects of the work, not only its totality. The pose, lighting, color scheme, and specific details of every line are owned in copyright by the original artist. One of the other factors is how much of said material is incorporated in the new work. Here, MW made drastic color changes, but the vast majority of the image remained the same. Finally, the second most important aspect is the damage to the original work's market value, aka do the same people purchase both of the pieces. I think that MW would have a strong argument that the contemporary and urban markets are separate and distinct enough to the point that no one bought MW's piece instead of the original print. However, it doesn't help that they are the same medium and feature basically the same image.
As for the fact that GP and MW live in the UK, the original artist could still file a suit in the US if either of the parties directly sold these prints to purchasers in the US (jurisdiction would require another technical legal analysis).
Personally, I think the law will be changing in this area to accommodate for the vast amount of appropriation art work that is being produced.s**t, it seems like every single major street artist has done some sort of Warhol appropriation piece without any repercussions from the Warhol foundation. From a moral standpoint any artist should always clear the use of copyrighted material. Is the original artist going to file suit against MW? Probably not. These suits are extremely expensive and it honestly wouldn't be worth the time or money. MW likely considered this risk, weighed it, and choose to roll the dice anyways. If you don't condone this type of activity, take a stand and don't by the work or return it. Realistically, the voice of the collector community is the only thing that can really make a change.
Fair use: dlreporter.com/2014/01/30/copyrighted-material-artwork/
Prince: dlreporter.com/2014/04/09/what-prince-v-cariou-can-teach-us-about-fair-use-and-appropriation-art/
This tread is a great read. I'm surprised that their aren't more lawyers on this forum, or maybe they decided not to chime in. I run an art law blog, and we've written articles about Price and how to legally incorporate copyrighted material into art work under fair use (their included below if anyone is interested). While Price did fundamentally change the application of fair use (the standard is that the new workโs expression and presentation are fundamentally different to an average viewer), that rule technically is only applicable in the 2nd circuit (NY), and the original artist would likely have a very strong case against MW if he filed suit in any other district. The majority rule is that an artist needs to directly comment or criticize the original work, in order to be deemed "transformative." This would apply to the Banksy/Hirst image; Banksy uses the copyrighted material of another artist to comment directly on said copyrighted material. D*face uses aspects of Lichtenstein's work to criticize Lichtenstein's glorification of americana. MW's image does not not contain the same type of direct criticism. Further, copyright exists in many different aspects of the work, not only its totality. The pose, lighting, color scheme, and specific details of every line are owned in copyright by the original artist. One of the other factors is how much of said material is incorporated in the new work. Here, MW made drastic color changes, but the vast majority of the image remained the same. Finally, the second most important aspect is the damage to the original work's market value, aka do the same people purchase both of the pieces. I think that MW would have a strong argument that the contemporary and urban markets are separate and distinct enough to the point that no one bought MW's piece instead of the original print. However, it doesn't help that they are the same medium and feature basically the same image. As for the fact that GP and MW live in the UK, the original artist could still file a suit in the US if either of the parties directly sold these prints to purchasers in the US (jurisdiction would require another technical legal analysis). Personally, I think the law will be changing in this area to accommodate for the vast amount of appropriation art work that is being produced.s**t, it seems like every single major street artist has done some sort of Warhol appropriation piece without any repercussions from the Warhol foundation. From a moral standpoint any artist should always clear the use of copyrighted material. Is the original artist going to file suit against MW? Probably not. These suits are extremely expensive and it honestly wouldn't be worth the time or money. MW likely considered this risk, weighed it, and choose to roll the dice anyways. If you don't condone this type of activity, take a stand and don't by the work or return it. Realistically, the voice of the collector community is the only thing that can really make a change. Fair use: dlreporter.com/2014/01/30/copyrighted-material-artwork/Prince: dlreporter.com/2014/04/09/what-prince-v-cariou-can-teach-us-about-fair-use-and-appropriation-art/
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D*Face FRAMED, by Howard Johnson on Dec 2, 2014 23:34:10 GMT 1, Bravo!! That's wonderful. Thank you! Did it myself for under 150$ with materials from wholesaleartsframes.com. They are the cheapest DIY option I've found and their materials are excellent.
Bravo!! That's wonderful. Thank you! Did it myself for under 150$ with materials from wholesaleartsframes.com. They are the cheapest DIY option I've found and their materials are excellent.
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D*Face FRAMED, by Howard Johnson on Dec 2, 2014 21:26:01 GMT 1,
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Are You Addicted To Art ?, by Howard Johnson on Nov 30, 2014 20:31:03 GMT 1, Great thread idea. I am defiantly addicted to art collecting, and I'm sure a lot of people in this game are addicted. Its such a hard thing to stop, once you tell yourself that your comfortable with your collection something new pops up that you have to have, or a grail comes up on Ebay that you talk yourself into purchasing because you dont know when you'll have another chance at it.
At least its a somewhat productive hobby in the sense that if your a smart collector anything you purchase will hopefully go up in value making it as much as an investment strategy as a hobby. Something I have never understood is buying so much more than your walls can possibly hold. Granted I am a student, and have limited financial resources at my disposal, but can you really ever enjoy all that art piled up in a room like that? What is the thought process behind acquiring that amount of work; is it an investment or do you plan on displaying it all at some point? I'm not trying to troll, I'm just interested in the psychology behind acquiring such an impressive collection.
Great thread idea. I am defiantly addicted to art collecting, and I'm sure a lot of people in this game are addicted. Its such a hard thing to stop, once you tell yourself that your comfortable with your collection something new pops up that you have to have, or a grail comes up on Ebay that you talk yourself into purchasing because you dont know when you'll have another chance at it.
At least its a somewhat productive hobby in the sense that if your a smart collector anything you purchase will hopefully go up in value making it as much as an investment strategy as a hobby. Something I have never understood is buying so much more than your walls can possibly hold. Granted I am a student, and have limited financial resources at my disposal, but can you really ever enjoy all that art piled up in a room like that? What is the thought process behind acquiring that amount of work; is it an investment or do you plan on displaying it all at some point? I'm not trying to troll, I'm just interested in the psychology behind acquiring such an impressive collection.
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New Pose print โBlotโ available now from LSC, by Howard Johnson on Nov 27, 2014 2:41:15 GMT 1, Big thank you to the OP for making this thread. I've been after a POSE piece for a while, and this one is fantastic!
Big thank you to the OP for making this thread. I've been after a POSE piece for a while, and this one is fantastic!
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Howard Johnson
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Banksy Police Kids $3900 usd, by Howard Johnson on Nov 17, 2014 22:32:01 GMT 1, It was USD for a local pickup in NY. From my experience drymounting completely ruins the market value of a print, I've seen 90's Obey grails go for as low as 200$ due to drymounting, but one just sold for 700 so I may be a bit off. Its a good deal if you just want the image on your wall, but from an investment standpoint anything over 1.5K my be overpaying
It was USD for a local pickup in NY. From my experience drymounting completely ruins the market value of a print, I've seen 90's Obey grails go for as low as 200$ due to drymounting, but one just sold for 700 so I may be a bit off. Its a good deal if you just want the image on your wall, but from an investment standpoint anything over 1.5K my be overpaying
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Howard Johnson
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Banksy Police Kids $3900 usd, by Howard Johnson on Nov 17, 2014 21:33:40 GMT 1, I reached out to the seller and he offered it to me for 2K in a private sale. A little much for me, but I thought I'd let people know in case they wanted to snag it privately.
I reached out to the seller and he offered it to me for 2K in a private sale. A little much for me, but I thought I'd let people know in case they wanted to snag it privately.
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Howard Johnson
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Banksy prints, by Howard Johnson on Nov 6, 2014 23:18:09 GMT 1, Banksy on the other hand seems to have produced an output that is calculated specifically to the investment community. The fact that he only signed a portion of his print runs and sold them at a higher price comes off as seriously pretentious. Thank you, I needed that laugh. 'seriously pretentious'?, (im laughing again), you should run that by his PR agent / Cleaner / Chauffeur / Butler.................... I'm admittedly new to the Banksy game and naive about the market in general, but I think this is a fair critique of print releases. I can't think of any modern artist that does not sign their work, especially at the price point of Banksy prints. A lot of his work is a direct critique on greed and capitalism, and to then turn around and create a portfolio of work that can only be obtained by the very wealthy is inherently oxymoronic. I get it, not everyone can own a Banksy print, and he should benefit finically from his success.
Like I said, I'm new to the Banksy game, and I realize that my opinion may be way off base.
Banksy on the other hand seems to have produced an output that is calculated specifically to the investment community. The fact that he only signed a portion of his print runs and sold them at a higher price comes off as seriously pretentious. Thank you, I needed that laugh. 'seriously pretentious'?, (im laughing again), you should run that by his PR agent / Cleaner / Chauffeur / Butler.................... I'm admittedly new to the Banksy game and naive about the market in general, but I think this is a fair critique of print releases. I can't think of any modern artist that does not sign their work, especially at the price point of Banksy prints. A lot of his work is a direct critique on greed and capitalism, and to then turn around and create a portfolio of work that can only be obtained by the very wealthy is inherently oxymoronic. I get it, not everyone can own a Banksy print, and he should benefit finically from his success. Like I said, I'm new to the Banksy game, and I realize that my opinion may be way off base.
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Howard Johnson
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Banksy prints, by Howard Johnson on Nov 6, 2014 3:35:16 GMT 1, I'm new here and I've spent the past week or so going through these forums and familiarizing myself with the Banksy market in hopes of trying to land one of his prints. What I've discovered is that there is huge disconnect between his print works and the ideals he claims to represent. The whole idea behind the street art movement is to take art outside of the stuffy gallery atmosphere and give it to the people.s**t, thats what got me into this scene to begin with. For me, Shepard Fairey still maintains this ideal regardless of his fame. He consistently makes work that everyone can afford, even if it will ultimately hurt his market value in the long run.
Banksy on the other hand seems to have produced an output that is calculated specifically to the investment community. The fact that he only signed a portion of his print runs and sold them at a higher price comes off as seriously pretentious.
All that being said, his print work represents a piece of the amazing legacy he has created. The art world has never seen anything like Banksy in the past, and if he is able to maintain his anonymity I can see future generations clamoring to get ahold of his work as well.
I'm new here and I've spent the past week or so going through these forums and familiarizing myself with the Banksy market in hopes of trying to land one of his prints. What I've discovered is that there is huge disconnect between his print works and the ideals he claims to represent. The whole idea behind the street art movement is to take art outside of the stuffy gallery atmosphere and give it to the people.s**t, thats what got me into this scene to begin with. For me, Shepard Fairey still maintains this ideal regardless of his fame. He consistently makes work that everyone can afford, even if it will ultimately hurt his market value in the long run.
Banksy on the other hand seems to have produced an output that is calculated specifically to the investment community. The fact that he only signed a portion of his print runs and sold them at a higher price comes off as seriously pretentious.
All that being said, his print work represents a piece of the amazing legacy he has created. The art world has never seen anything like Banksy in the past, and if he is able to maintain his anonymity I can see future generations clamoring to get ahold of his work as well.
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D*face Fans - Tell Us Why You Love Him! , by Howard Johnson on Nov 4, 2014 4:27:10 GMT 1, I stumbled across a similar thread in the Faile section and thought I'd start one here. With D's most recent releases I've seen a lot of people complaining about how the "don't get" his style, or talking negatively about his work in general. Here's just a few thoughts about why I love his work.
First, he obviously borrows heavily from Warhol and Lichtenstein, but the homages he uses are expertly aimed to not only celebrate what came before him, but also criticize the glorification of americana and consumerism that the pop art movement was known for. For instance, in his "No More Heroes" print, he pays tribute and celebrates the visual style of Lichtenstein, while at the same time deconstructing one of the greatest symbols of capitalism/western culture, Superman. The morbidly rotting superman is more emblematic of what the symbol truly represents; a figure that claims freedom and prosperity (America), but it truly a harbinger of greed and destruction. This theme is also evident in "Pop Tart," where he juxtaposes a recognizable symbol of glamor with the darker side of celebrity: death and emptiness. These homages are simultaneously an acknowledgment of the amazing visual style of the pop art movement, and a giant middle finger from our generation.
Secondly, his print work boosts a precision that is truly remarkable. Our generation of print collectors constantly takes pride in heavily hand finished work. We (somewhat rightfully) believe that the rougher a print is the closer it is to an OG, and thus more valuable. While D has done some pieces like this, the majority his print work takes the opposite approach - focusing on precision. His early screen prints are thick and precise, giving his work a clean look that I have rarely seen done at the same caliber. Furthermore, the care he gives to his screen prints make them feel like separate and distinct works, as opposed to simply reproducing an original image. For instance, Banksy's prints are great, but they are simply stripped down reproductions of his street works (for the most part). The history behind Banksy will always trump D*face, but at the end of the day Banksy's prints come off as static and fairly simplistic. Conversely, D's prints are immediately arresting and almost jump off the wall and demand to be examined.
Obviously, I am a biased fan. I love pop art and horror, so maybe is just the combination of those elements that draws me in to his work. However, I think that his work has a lot to say about the movements that came before him and embodies a visual style distinct to our generation. I'm interested to see what draws other people to his work, so please post your thoughts below.
I stumbled across a similar thread in the Faile section and thought I'd start one here. With D's most recent releases I've seen a lot of people complaining about how the "don't get" his style, or talking negatively about his work in general. Here's just a few thoughts about why I love his work.
First, he obviously borrows heavily from Warhol and Lichtenstein, but the homages he uses are expertly aimed to not only celebrate what came before him, but also criticize the glorification of americana and consumerism that the pop art movement was known for. For instance, in his "No More Heroes" print, he pays tribute and celebrates the visual style of Lichtenstein, while at the same time deconstructing one of the greatest symbols of capitalism/western culture, Superman. The morbidly rotting superman is more emblematic of what the symbol truly represents; a figure that claims freedom and prosperity (America), but it truly a harbinger of greed and destruction. This theme is also evident in "Pop Tart," where he juxtaposes a recognizable symbol of glamor with the darker side of celebrity: death and emptiness. These homages are simultaneously an acknowledgment of the amazing visual style of the pop art movement, and a giant middle finger from our generation.
Secondly, his print work boosts a precision that is truly remarkable. Our generation of print collectors constantly takes pride in heavily hand finished work. We (somewhat rightfully) believe that the rougher a print is the closer it is to an OG, and thus more valuable. While D has done some pieces like this, the majority his print work takes the opposite approach - focusing on precision. His early screen prints are thick and precise, giving his work a clean look that I have rarely seen done at the same caliber. Furthermore, the care he gives to his screen prints make them feel like separate and distinct works, as opposed to simply reproducing an original image. For instance, Banksy's prints are great, but they are simply stripped down reproductions of his street works (for the most part). The history behind Banksy will always trump D*face, but at the end of the day Banksy's prints come off as static and fairly simplistic. Conversely, D's prints are immediately arresting and almost jump off the wall and demand to be examined.
Obviously, I am a biased fan. I love pop art and horror, so maybe is just the combination of those elements that draws me in to his work. However, I think that his work has a lot to say about the movements that came before him and embodies a visual style distinct to our generation. I'm interested to see what draws other people to his work, so please post your thoughts below.
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Howard Johnson
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by Howard Johnson on Oct 14, 2014 2:59:56 GMT 1, Hello everyone. I'm new the forum and thought I'd share a old school Shepard Fairey I just picked up. Its similar to the "Mao Money" print, but its huge and has a bunch of different colors. Float mounted on burgundy foam core, with a double mat and bronze frame with ornate accents.
Hello everyone. I'm new the forum and thought I'd share a old school Shepard Fairey I just picked up. Its similar to the "Mao Money" print, but its huge and has a bunch of different colors. Float mounted on burgundy foam core, with a double mat and bronze frame with ornate accents.
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