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TOP 5 ARTISTS 2009, by lee3 on Oct 17, 2009 19:15:16 GMT 1, JB: I wish I owned that list, doesn't mean I can't appreciate them just the same.
JB: I wish I owned that list, doesn't mean I can't appreciate them just the same.
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TOP 5 ARTISTS 2009, by lee3 on Oct 17, 2009 17:36:32 GMT 1, From the shows that hit me the most this year of living artists:
1. Banksy 2. Wayne Thiebaud 3. Richard Prince 4. Anselm Reyle 5. Mel Ramos
From the shows that hit me the most this year of living artists:
1. Banksy 2. Wayne Thiebaud 3. Richard Prince 4. Anselm Reyle 5. Mel Ramos
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The greatest art market discovery of the century??, by lee3 on Oct 13, 2009 22:59:02 GMT 1, >>>When a painting goes from 19,000 to 100,000,000 its the name.<<<
"Art is the signature of generations". We are talking about a potential find/rediscovery from an artist on the shortest of lists in that they are talked about and admired HUNDREDS of years after they lived. Of course the name Da Vinci is going make anything skyrocket because the body of recognized work has been treasured by those that came before us and those that will come after us. For the most part, we as a species have done a remarkable job identifying work from artists we deem important hundreds of years ago. You suggest the name gives it the value which is true. I would add that it is compounded by our own collective ignorance at recognizing it in the first place. Modern day research and techniques may have uncovered a needle in a haystack and I applaud them for it if true. I do wonder however if this were deemed authentic if it would truly register $160 million at sale? If it is authentic, I find humor that this is painted to a degree that Christie's was only off by 300 years in their estimated completion date for the sale! To be fair, we often give 5 or 10 year ranges with Warhol and he kept meticulous records.
>>>When a painting goes from 19,000 to 100,000,000 its the name.<<<
"Art is the signature of generations". We are talking about a potential find/rediscovery from an artist on the shortest of lists in that they are talked about and admired HUNDREDS of years after they lived. Of course the name Da Vinci is going make anything skyrocket because the body of recognized work has been treasured by those that came before us and those that will come after us. For the most part, we as a species have done a remarkable job identifying work from artists we deem important hundreds of years ago. You suggest the name gives it the value which is true. I would add that it is compounded by our own collective ignorance at recognizing it in the first place. Modern day research and techniques may have uncovered a needle in a haystack and I applaud them for it if true. I do wonder however if this were deemed authentic if it would truly register $160 million at sale? If it is authentic, I find humor that this is painted to a degree that Christie's was only off by 300 years in their estimated completion date for the sale! To be fair, we often give 5 or 10 year ranges with Warhol and he kept meticulous records.
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Banksy donated piece of art - Bristol Museum, by lee3 on Oct 12, 2009 17:55:49 GMT 1, I thought the angel bust with the paint can was one of the better sculptures at the show. Nice gift
I thought the angel bust with the paint can was one of the better sculptures at the show. Nice gift
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"Bird With Grenade", by lee3 on Oct 4, 2009 18:03:05 GMT 1, i'd seen this one was at auction, estimated ยฃ15-20k - can anyone remember how much it ended up going for and when? and what was the edition size?
That came under the hammer about a year ago right as the art market began to get decimated. That particular canvas is from the Existencilism show in '02 where the vast majority of items for sale were in editions of 5. Here are the results for that specific canvas:
Title Untitled Description Banksy (b. 1975)Untitledstenciled 'Bansky' (on the overlap) and signed, More ... Medium acrylic and spray enamel on canvas Year of Work 2002 Size Height 17 in.; Width 17 in. / Height 43.2 cm.; Width 43.2 cm. Edition 3/5 Misc. Signed, Inscribed Sale of Christie's London: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 [Lot 00304] Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Sale Estimate 20,000 - 30,000 BP (37,140 - 55,710 US$) Sold For 25,000 BP (43,691 US$) PREMIUM Currency Converter
i'd seen this one was at auction, estimated ยฃ15-20k - can anyone remember how much it ended up going for and when? and what was the edition size? That came under the hammer about a year ago right as the art market began to get decimated. That particular canvas is from the Existencilism show in '02 where the vast majority of items for sale were in editions of 5. Here are the results for that specific canvas: Title Untitled Description Banksy (b. 1975)Untitledstenciled 'Bansky' (on the overlap) and signed, More ... Medium acrylic and spray enamel on canvas Year of Work 2002 Size Height 17 in.; Width 17 in. / Height 43.2 cm.; Width 43.2 cm. Edition 3/5 Misc. Signed, Inscribed Sale of Christie's London: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 [Lot 00304] Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Sale Estimate 20,000 - 30,000 BP (37,140 - 55,710 US$) Sold For 25,000 BP (43,691 US$) PREMIUM Currency Converter
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Best place to sell a Parla, by lee3 on Oct 3, 2009 18:34:57 GMT 1, Fair enough and admittedly, a pm would have been cooler in hindsight, my bad. My head isn't working as well this morning for some reason, perhaps too many caipirinhas with some south american friends celebrating their Olympic future. ouch
Fair enough and admittedly, a pm would have been cooler in hindsight, my bad. My head isn't working as well this morning for some reason, perhaps too many caipirinhas with some south american friends celebrating their Olympic future. ouch
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Best place to sell a Parla, by lee3 on Oct 3, 2009 18:23:07 GMT 1, I'm pretty sure this piece was kept back by the gallery and as such has probably been consigned by them to auction.
That's some rather serious speculation, no? I have no idea who the consignor is but would caution any of us from jumping to conclusions as it doesn't do the seller any good. Like it or not, a simple misunderstanding even on these boards can go a lot further than any of us ever wished. As to my previous comment about the paint being dry, that was tongue in cheek. A year ago the flipping of artists reached a peak where it was almost shocking how quickly work went from gallery to owner to auction. All joking aside, given what the last year has done to all of us financially, I can well appreciate anyone that loved a painting last year not being in the position to keep it on their wall today. To me, that is a lot different than the nonsense we all witnessed with regularity a year ago. I don't care who the seller is in this case, but I don't want to help create a hell storm for them either. 'end rant
I'm pretty sure this piece was kept back by the gallery and as such has probably been consigned by them to auction. That's some rather serious speculation, no? I have no idea who the consignor is but would caution any of us from jumping to conclusions as it doesn't do the seller any good. Like it or not, a simple misunderstanding even on these boards can go a lot further than any of us ever wished. As to my previous comment about the paint being dry, that was tongue in cheek. A year ago the flipping of artists reached a peak where it was almost shocking how quickly work went from gallery to owner to auction. All joking aside, given what the last year has done to all of us financially, I can well appreciate anyone that loved a painting last year not being in the position to keep it on their wall today. To me, that is a lot different than the nonsense we all witnessed with regularity a year ago. I don't care who the seller is in this case, but I don't want to help create a hell storm for them either. 'end rant
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Best place to sell a Parla, by lee3 on Oct 2, 2009 19:14:28 GMT 1, >>>Can someone post a pic?
It was exhibited at the Italy exhibition at Il Trifoglio Nero and I think it might be the actual one on the cover of the Memory Documents hardback book that accompanied that exhibition.<<<
Is the paint on this thing even dry?
Josรฉ Parlรก Title Painters' history Medium acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas Size 35.8 x 35.8 in. / 91 x 91 cm. Year 2008 - Description Josรฉ Parlรก (B.1973) Painters' History signed twice, titled and dated 'PAINTERS' HISTORY J.Parlรก' 2008 'JOSร PARLร' (on the reverse) acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas 36 x 36in. (91 x 91cm.) Executed in 2008 Misc. Signed, Inscribed Sale Of Christie's London: Saturday, October 17, 2009 [Lot 174] Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Auction Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 BP (24,445 - 32,594 US$) Auction Info. 8 King Street, St. James's London , SW1Y 6QT United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)20 783 9060 Fax: +44 (0)20 7839 1611 Click here to email auction house Bid Dept. Tel: +44 (0)20 7389 2658 Provenance Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Genova Exhibition Genova, Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Memory Documents, March-May 2008
>>>Can someone post a pic? It was exhibited at the Italy exhibition at Il Trifoglio Nero and I think it might be the actual one on the cover of the Memory Documents hardback book that accompanied that exhibition.<<< Is the paint on this thing even dry? Josรฉ Parlรก Title Painters' history Medium acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas Size 35.8 x 35.8 in. / 91 x 91 cm. Year 2008 - Description Josรฉ Parlรก (B.1973) Painters' History signed twice, titled and dated 'PAINTERS' HISTORY J.Parlรก' 2008 'JOSร PARLร' (on the reverse) acrylic, ink, crushed ceramic and gel medium on canvas 36 x 36in. (91 x 91cm.) Executed in 2008 Misc. Signed, Inscribed Sale Of Christie's London: Saturday, October 17, 2009 [Lot 174] Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Auction Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 BP (24,445 - 32,594 US$) Auction Info. 8 King Street, St. James's London , SW1Y 6QT United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)20 783 9060 Fax: +44 (0)20 7839 1611 Click here to email auction house Bid Dept. Tel: +44 (0)20 7389 2658 Provenance Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Genova Exhibition Genova, Galleria Il Trifoglio Nero, Memory Documents, March-May 2008
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Best place to sell a Parla, by lee3 on Oct 1, 2009 20:51:56 GMT 1,
Imho, if you are buying a Hains, you buy one on steel. These both fit that bill and they are priced to move. Hains was the only one of the three (Villegle and Rotella being the others) to use steel to the best of my knowledge. Let me put it this way, he's the one that's famous for using steel anyway. I don't own any Hains but have familiarized myself with his work from my love of Villegle over the past decade. The one from '61 is the right year though a bit minimalist for my tastes compared with some of his other work. Both of those would have cost at least $100k 18 months ago but Hains has been a difficult sell at auction as of late. I'm tempted by the '61 piece.
Sorry for the tangent to the original poster though I suppose this often happens on these boards. I've reviewed PdP and Christie's October sales and I must say I am beyond shocked at the lack of quality work offered in the London Ocotber sales. I thought this would be one of the highest quality autumn seasons I've seen in years and I can't believe how underwhelming the inventory is to my eyes. I'm in disbelief that Christie's is not offering a Fontana or Warhol in their London evening sale- I didn't even think such a thing was possible.
Imho, if you are buying a Hains, you buy one on steel. These both fit that bill and they are priced to move. Hains was the only one of the three (Villegle and Rotella being the others) to use steel to the best of my knowledge. Let me put it this way, he's the one that's famous for using steel anyway. I don't own any Hains but have familiarized myself with his work from my love of Villegle over the past decade. The one from '61 is the right year though a bit minimalist for my tastes compared with some of his other work. Both of those would have cost at least $100k 18 months ago but Hains has been a difficult sell at auction as of late. I'm tempted by the '61 piece. Sorry for the tangent to the original poster though I suppose this often happens on these boards. I've reviewed PdP and Christie's October sales and I must say I am beyond shocked at the lack of quality work offered in the London Ocotber sales. I thought this would be one of the highest quality autumn seasons I've seen in years and I can't believe how underwhelming the inventory is to my eyes. I'm in disbelief that Christie's is not offering a Fontana or Warhol in their London evening sale- I didn't even think such a thing was possible.
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Best place to sell a Parla, by lee3 on Oct 1, 2009 19:55:20 GMT 1, I know at least 2 and I could have sworn that about 3 or 4 Parla pieces were up for auction recently? But I can't find any record of them at any auction houses. I know one went unsold at christies but they don't post unsold lots, does that mean all of them went unsold?
They're on artnet. There were two at Bonhams on the 23rd bought in with low estimates of 5k and 25k GBP. There was a third at Sotheby's on the 24th bought in with a low estimate of 25k US. The one you are referring to at Christie's is a nice one and comes under the hammer on the 17th of this month with a low estimate of 15k GBP. I'd venture a guess that the nice one at Bonham's (which sufered from very poor placement in an underwhelming sale) found an after sale buyer as it's one of the better examples of his work to my eyes. With the exception of '05-'08, September has always been a silly time imo to put work to auction. I'd expect much better results for the seller at Christie's this month.
I know at least 2 and I could have sworn that about 3 or 4 Parla pieces were up for auction recently? But I can't find any record of them at any auction houses. I know one went unsold at christies but they don't post unsold lots, does that mean all of them went unsold? They're on artnet. There were two at Bonhams on the 23rd bought in with low estimates of 5k and 25k GBP. There was a third at Sotheby's on the 24th bought in with a low estimate of 25k US. The one you are referring to at Christie's is a nice one and comes under the hammer on the 17th of this month with a low estimate of 15k GBP. I'd venture a guess that the nice one at Bonham's (which sufered from very poor placement in an underwhelming sale) found an after sale buyer as it's one of the better examples of his work to my eyes. With the exception of '05-'08, September has always been a silly time imo to put work to auction. I'd expect much better results for the seller at Christie's this month.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by lee3 on Oct 1, 2009 1:36:01 GMT 1, I've been tempted to buy a couple of those warhol marilyn's a few times Lee I don't particularly like them that much but it's just strange they sell so cheaply Crazy compared to a Banksy !!
I wouldn't call either one cheap. Volume plays a very important role here too as there are over 100k signed Warhol prints and what, (total guess) maybe 3k signed Banksy prints? imho, the vast majority of the warhol print output is awful compared with his canvases which is strange given they are all mostly silkscreens. I like his electric chairs, both prints and cavases and the former can be had relatively cheaply. I certainly wouldn't buy the Warhol as a value proposition because of a comparable Banksy. If you have honestly been considering multiple Marilyn's then you are in a position that you can afford to be wrong anyway. good luck
I've been tempted to buy a couple of those warhol marilyn's a few times Lee I don't particularly like them that much but it's just strange they sell so cheaply Crazy compared to a Banksy !! I wouldn't call either one cheap. Volume plays a very important role here too as there are over 100k signed Warhol prints and what, (total guess) maybe 3k signed Banksy prints? imho, the vast majority of the warhol print output is awful compared with his canvases which is strange given they are all mostly silkscreens. I like his electric chairs, both prints and cavases and the former can be had relatively cheaply. I certainly wouldn't buy the Warhol as a value proposition because of a comparable Banksy. If you have honestly been considering multiple Marilyn's then you are in a position that you can afford to be wrong anyway. good luck
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by lee3 on Sept 30, 2009 23:14:28 GMT 1, What's the most sought after Warhol print and how much was it at it's high point? Anybody know?
The most sought after Warhol print would be the Marilyn series (10 different prints signed and numbered to 250 each for a total of 2,500). At their high the two or 3 most desirable from the edition were commanding $200-$250k US each. They are trading between $50 and $150k now depending upon which one of the 10 you're looking for and the condition.
There are a few trial proofs and a number of unique prints on hand made paper that command even more such as self portraits & Marilyn reversals.
What's the most sought after Warhol print and how much was it at it's high point? Anybody know? The most sought after Warhol print would be the Marilyn series (10 different prints signed and numbered to 250 each for a total of 2,500). At their high the two or 3 most desirable from the edition were commanding $200-$250k US each. They are trading between $50 and $150k now depending upon which one of the 10 you're looking for and the condition. There are a few trial proofs and a number of unique prints on hand made paper that command even more such as self portraits & Marilyn reversals.
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Looking to buy Barcode Signed, by lee3 on Sept 29, 2009 18:26:14 GMT 1, >>> I won't say which one, but I was quoted 17k gbp + on the mint barcode which is absurd in my mind<<<
Nothing wrong with countering what you are willing to pay (perhaps counter 6 willing to go to 6.5) and see what happens, no? You may be surprised how willing some dealers are to work to secure sales these days. Good luck
>>> I won't say which one, but I was quoted 17k gbp + on the mint barcode which is absurd in my mind<<<
Nothing wrong with countering what you are willing to pay (perhaps counter 6 willing to go to 6.5) and see what happens, no? You may be surprised how willing some dealers are to work to secure sales these days. Good luck
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Looking to buy Barcode Signed, by lee3 on Sept 29, 2009 17:59:01 GMT 1, dg:
I would certainly put in a call to Helium to see if they have one or any leads. I've never done any business with Artifical gallery but they have one on thier site too. I presume you've checked with Andipa and Laz? As to cost, your guess is probably better than mine. Good luck
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I would certainly put in a call to Helium to see if they have one or any leads. I've never done any business with Artifical gallery but they have one on thier site too. I presume you've checked with Andipa and Laz? As to cost, your guess is probably better than mine. Good luck
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Looking to buy Barcode Signed, by lee3 on Sept 29, 2009 16:32:05 GMT 1, For the kitchen, care to explain (I've got a nasty picture in my mind of barbecue Leopard)? Sorry, I can't help in your search but I suspect your best bet is probably to source from a gallery given your condition demands.
For the kitchen, care to explain (I've got a nasty picture in my mind of barbecue Leopard)? Sorry, I can't help in your search but I suspect your best bet is probably to source from a gallery given your condition demands.
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Banksy Kate Moss Canvas, by lee3 on Sept 29, 2009 16:25:54 GMT 1, That was then though, would it make the same today?.
Never say never, but almost certainly not.
That was then though, would it make the same today?. Never say never, but almost certainly not.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by lee3 on Sept 29, 2009 16:19:13 GMT 1, There have been a fair number of threads on this over the past year. A few have come up to auction over the past year without much success. One colourway was bought in last October at 30k and a pair of complete sets of 6 (obviously not the original colourway) have been bought in at $250k US and 100k GBP. #1 from the edition of 5 on canvas sold for 66k GBP a year ago. There has been nothing at auction with that subject matter since February. If I were a buyer, I think I would hold firm in the 15-20k range but suspect sellers are looking for 20-25k. Total guess on my part however, good luck.
There have been a fair number of threads on this over the past year. A few have come up to auction over the past year without much success. One colourway was bought in last October at 30k and a pair of complete sets of 6 (obviously not the original colourway) have been bought in at $250k US and 100k GBP. #1 from the edition of 5 on canvas sold for 66k GBP a year ago. There has been nothing at auction with that subject matter since February. If I were a buyer, I think I would hold firm in the 15-20k range but suspect sellers are looking for 20-25k. Total guess on my part however, good luck.
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Banksy vs Parla @ Bonhams, by lee3 on Sept 24, 2009 23:12:28 GMT 1, >>>So if an item hasn't sold and the estimate was ยฃ5k to ยฃ10k, and someone post sale offers ยฃ5k the seller is legally bound to accept the offer, unless someone offers higher within the 30 day period?<<<
Correct, and often they won't even entertain other offers for more than a week anyway though they have the right to do so for 30 days (the actual time varies by house). If you've hit the reserve and there aren't other interested parties, you'll get the paperwork to buy within a week.
>>>From what you've said the key for the interested buyer is to try and work out what the reserve is, and put in that offer and hope no one counter offers<<<
Imho, the key to post sale transactions is to low ball bid and find out if you have a motivated seller or are bidding against anyone else. The auction house will tell you what the reserve if the lot passed at auction. Let's say there was a low estimate of 50k with a 40k reserve and it never hit the reserve. You would indicate interest and the house would tell you they can sell it to you for 40k. That's when it's time to bargain (the house wants you to pay as much as possible to maximize their revs and keep the seller happy) and might do well to offer 20k and see what they say? If they have bids above that, they'll tell you. If not they will tell you whether they get a higher bid later or if the seller accepts/declines your offer.
>>>When putting in a post sale bid, is it a legally binding offer for the 30 days?<<<
It's done verbally as opposed to written, so it's not legally binding. However, I wouldn't cancel a post sale offer if accepted because it will be the last time they deal with you.
>>>Are the auctioneers generally honest when it comes to post sale bid amounts if 2 or more buyers are involved ?<<<
The houses employ some of the most polite and knowledgable people you'll meet in this hobby; however, their job is to maximze sale prices and promote customer satisfaction and you can't lost sight of that fact.
A friend pointed out the following to me today with the recent practice of more art going up for sale wiht no reserve. I'm not a Nara fan myself but I can't imagine the seller is very pleased with the decision to go no reserve. Check out the estimates and the actual sales price:
www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?sale_number=N08568&live_lot_id=8
www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?sale_number=N08568&live_lot_id=6
Here are the full sale results for anyone interested:
www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotResultsDetailList.jsp?event_id=29384&sale_number=N08568
>>>So if an item hasn't sold and the estimate was ยฃ5k to ยฃ10k, and someone post sale offers ยฃ5k the seller is legally bound to accept the offer, unless someone offers higher within the 30 day period?<<< Correct, and often they won't even entertain other offers for more than a week anyway though they have the right to do so for 30 days (the actual time varies by house). If you've hit the reserve and there aren't other interested parties, you'll get the paperwork to buy within a week. >>>From what you've said the key for the interested buyer is to try and work out what the reserve is, and put in that offer and hope no one counter offers<<< Imho, the key to post sale transactions is to low ball bid and find out if you have a motivated seller or are bidding against anyone else. The auction house will tell you what the reserve if the lot passed at auction. Let's say there was a low estimate of 50k with a 40k reserve and it never hit the reserve. You would indicate interest and the house would tell you they can sell it to you for 40k. That's when it's time to bargain (the house wants you to pay as much as possible to maximize their revs and keep the seller happy) and might do well to offer 20k and see what they say? If they have bids above that, they'll tell you. If not they will tell you whether they get a higher bid later or if the seller accepts/declines your offer. >>>When putting in a post sale bid, is it a legally binding offer for the 30 days?<<< It's done verbally as opposed to written, so it's not legally binding. However, I wouldn't cancel a post sale offer if accepted because it will be the last time they deal with you. >>>Are the auctioneers generally honest when it comes to post sale bid amounts if 2 or more buyers are involved ?<<< The houses employ some of the most polite and knowledgable people you'll meet in this hobby; however, their job is to maximze sale prices and promote customer satisfaction and you can't lost sight of that fact. A friend pointed out the following to me today with the recent practice of more art going up for sale wiht no reserve. I'm not a Nara fan myself but I can't imagine the seller is very pleased with the decision to go no reserve. Check out the estimates and the actual sales price: www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?sale_number=N08568&live_lot_id=8www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?sale_number=N08568&live_lot_id=6Here are the full sale results for anyone interested: www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotResultsDetailList.jsp?event_id=29384&sale_number=N08568
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Banksy Street Art โข IKEA Punk, by lee3 on Sept 24, 2009 16:17:58 GMT 1, >>i sense a slight lack of originality at the moment in the brain of Mr B... hopefully something new a clever is just around the back somewhere <<<
Interesting, I love the Ikea piece but I have to say that this sounds odd considering the undertaking he just pulled off on 3 floors of a museum the likes of which I've never seen any artist tackle. I would have given him a hall pass for another 18 months and just go recharge somewhere nice. Instead, he seems to have an insatiable appetite to get right back to work.
The cynic in me wondered if perhaps whomever bought No ball games failed to pay and this would be a funny way to give them some serious remorse.
>>i sense a slight lack of originality at the moment in the brain of Mr B... hopefully something new a clever is just around the back somewhere <<<
Interesting, I love the Ikea piece but I have to say that this sounds odd considering the undertaking he just pulled off on 3 floors of a museum the likes of which I've never seen any artist tackle. I would have given him a hall pass for another 18 months and just go recharge somewhere nice. Instead, he seems to have an insatiable appetite to get right back to work.
The cynic in me wondered if perhaps whomever bought No ball games failed to pay and this would be a funny way to give them some serious remorse.
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Banksy vs Parla @ Bonhams, by lee3 on Sept 23, 2009 19:11:07 GMT 1, they must have chandaliered to 24k on the Parla I dont understand auction talk What does the above mean? Was it what the bidding got upto? I really liked the look of the Parla at this auction, though haven't been much of a lover up until this one. and if someone were to buy outside the sale, I presume the auction house would want to take their usual sales commission ?
A house may chandelier bid (false bids generated by the house itself to stimulate interest in a work) up the bid right below the reserve (the price the seller and house decide a work can be sold). The reserve price can never be higher than the low estimate but can and often is lower than the low estimate.
As to your second question, the answer is yes. A post auction sale is still subject to the house getting their cut. Most houses have 30 days to broker a sale. If you're a seller, you must accept your reserve price no matter what. The house can try and talk you down to accept a lower price than your reserve post sale.
Oddly enough, I've been in post sale bidding wars where the work of art ends up selling for more than the estimate range even in the past year. I've only ever sold two pieces so I'm of little use when it comes to selling. And this correction in the art market takes away the advantages sellers had previously. Gone are the days where a seller can tell the auction house to lower their commissions or fees as the houses are making significantly less than a year ago and are cutting back staffing.
they must have chandaliered to 24k on the Parla I dont understand auction talk What does the above mean? Was it what the bidding got upto? I really liked the look of the Parla at this auction, though haven't been much of a lover up until this one. and if someone were to buy outside the sale, I presume the auction house would want to take their usual sales commission ? A house may chandelier bid (false bids generated by the house itself to stimulate interest in a work) up the bid right below the reserve (the price the seller and house decide a work can be sold). The reserve price can never be higher than the low estimate but can and often is lower than the low estimate. As to your second question, the answer is yes. A post auction sale is still subject to the house getting their cut. Most houses have 30 days to broker a sale. If you're a seller, you must accept your reserve price no matter what. The house can try and talk you down to accept a lower price than your reserve post sale. Oddly enough, I've been in post sale bidding wars where the work of art ends up selling for more than the estimate range even in the past year. I've only ever sold two pieces so I'm of little use when it comes to selling. And this correction in the art market takes away the advantages sellers had previously. Gone are the days where a seller can tell the auction house to lower their commissions or fees as the houses are making significantly less than a year ago and are cutting back staffing.
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Banksy vs Parla @ Bonhams, by lee3 on Sept 23, 2009 16:43:35 GMT 1, A lot more fun looking at the work and results falling under the hammer right now at Christie's:
www.christies.com/LotFinder/searchresults.aspx?intSaleID=22138#action=refine&intSaleID=22138&sid=e9814286-9665-4a60-8dc2-665f9368895b&num=45
Harring did well, while tiny Basquiat drawings did not. Stunned that the Ruscha gunpowder drawing did not hammer. I was surprised to see someone consign a 22 inch Flowers to a September sale but it got the cover and did them well at $1.1m (doube the estimate) though down substantially from their highs- I would love one of those even the tiny 4 inch square ones. I thought the Gottlieb would do better too and Chamberlain scultpures selling at $12k? 12k? There are countless prints that exceed that price! Oh well, nice pick up for the buyer- obviously relative bargins compared to what we're used to from the past 5 years.
Sotheby's has the best concentration of work for this month to my eyes and their sale is tomorrow.
A lot more fun looking at the work and results falling under the hammer right now at Christie's: www.christies.com/LotFinder/searchresults.aspx?intSaleID=22138#action=refine&intSaleID=22138&sid=e9814286-9665-4a60-8dc2-665f9368895b&num=45Harring did well, while tiny Basquiat drawings did not. Stunned that the Ruscha gunpowder drawing did not hammer. I was surprised to see someone consign a 22 inch Flowers to a September sale but it got the cover and did them well at $1.1m (doube the estimate) though down substantially from their highs- I would love one of those even the tiny 4 inch square ones. I thought the Gottlieb would do better too and Chamberlain scultpures selling at $12k? 12k? There are countless prints that exceed that price! Oh well, nice pick up for the buyer- obviously relative bargins compared to what we're used to from the past 5 years. Sotheby's has the best concentration of work for this month to my eyes and their sale is tomorrow.
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Banksy vs Parla @ Bonhams, by lee3 on Sept 23, 2009 16:08:13 GMT 1, >>>surely that parla will get snapped up behind the scenes?!? <<<
I suspect it will too though it's not my bag. I still have a hard time understanding why they saved two of what I consider the better lots in the sale untill the end. I did ask the question a while ago and they replied that they were trying to go in chronological order with respect to date as much as possible which is something I've never heard of before. Regardless, those are pretty poor results (% of sales wise) compared to what the 2 primary houses have been getting as of late in contemporary sales. To be fair, much of the work in this sale would probably never make a contemorary sale at the larger houses. Even though that Richter was a bit atypical, I believe the results show the seller was wise to pull it from the sale.
I must say, I do love a cup of coffee and looking through photos of art and results as it just fascinates me and is always a good way to learn. Though there are more Calder watercolors or gouache than I can count, the one in this sale was nice and the buyer got a good price from my vantage point.
Time to look at the Christie's results...
>>>surely that parla will get snapped up behind the scenes?!? <<<
I suspect it will too though it's not my bag. I still have a hard time understanding why they saved two of what I consider the better lots in the sale untill the end. I did ask the question a while ago and they replied that they were trying to go in chronological order with respect to date as much as possible which is something I've never heard of before. Regardless, those are pretty poor results (% of sales wise) compared to what the 2 primary houses have been getting as of late in contemporary sales. To be fair, much of the work in this sale would probably never make a contemorary sale at the larger houses. Even though that Richter was a bit atypical, I believe the results show the seller was wise to pull it from the sale.
I must say, I do love a cup of coffee and looking through photos of art and results as it just fascinates me and is always a good way to learn. Though there are more Calder watercolors or gouache than I can count, the one in this sale was nice and the buyer got a good price from my vantage point.
Time to look at the Christie's results...
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on Sept 11, 2009 18:23:17 GMT 1, Remi: Wow, just wow!
Dave: nice Choe
Remi: Wow, just wow!
Dave: nice Choe
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Greg Gossel, by lee3 on Sept 11, 2009 16:47:05 GMT 1, >>>It is way too often to be called co-incidental <<<
If you believe either of these artists are the first to use women (crying or otherwise), horses, guns, or other pop imagery then all the power to you. That's what I mean when I say we're off on a tangent. It's like someon taking credit for a new landscape painting to me.
>>>way to close to be called original.<<
Imho (and don't misconstrue this as a criticism as it's not), neither one of these artists (Faile and Gossell) has broken new ground with anything that I consider original. They are what they are to my eyes, very good artists producing work in a certain style.
>>>It is way too often to be called co-incidental <<<
If you believe either of these artists are the first to use women (crying or otherwise), horses, guns, or other pop imagery then all the power to you. That's what I mean when I say we're off on a tangent. It's like someon taking credit for a new landscape painting to me.
>>>way to close to be called original.<<
Imho (and don't misconstrue this as a criticism as it's not), neither one of these artists (Faile and Gossell) has broken new ground with anything that I consider original. They are what they are to my eyes, very good artists producing work in a certain style.
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Banksy vs Parla @ Bonhams, by lee3 on Sept 11, 2009 16:41:15 GMT 1, How many Laugh Now canvasses in all forms are there?.
That's a great question and I'm going to guess that there are between 40 and 100 but that is pure speculation on my part as there could be many more. There are many on wood too. I, for one, wished more living artists completed catalogue raisonnรฉs during their life time instead of posthumously. Warhol's foundation has only printed 3 books covering the time period from '61 through '69 (and the first one was published way back in '02). They are unbelievable sources of information with photos of each work but come with a steep price tag (~$700 new for all 3). It helps that he kept perfect records during his lifetime. The last I heard the next update ('70-'73) is due out next fall if memory serves.
Given Banksy's profligacy, it would be a huge undertaking and perhaps they feel it's not worth the cost at the moment. Or perhaps they have zero interest in doing one anyway which is probably why this task is taken up by people after important artists die. I would love to look at nice photos of his work to date outside of the obvious publications we already have.
How many Laugh Now canvasses in all forms are there?. That's a great question and I'm going to guess that there are between 40 and 100 but that is pure speculation on my part as there could be many more. There are many on wood too. I, for one, wished more living artists completed catalogue raisonnรฉs during their life time instead of posthumously. Warhol's foundation has only printed 3 books covering the time period from '61 through '69 (and the first one was published way back in '02). They are unbelievable sources of information with photos of each work but come with a steep price tag (~$700 new for all 3). It helps that he kept perfect records during his lifetime. The last I heard the next update ('70-'73) is due out next fall if memory serves. Given Banksy's profligacy, it would be a huge undertaking and perhaps they feel it's not worth the cost at the moment. Or perhaps they have zero interest in doing one anyway which is probably why this task is taken up by people after important artists die. I would love to look at nice photos of his work to date outside of the obvious publications we already have.
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Greg Gossel, by lee3 on Sept 10, 2009 18:49:01 GMT 1, >>>What do people think? Faile instantly springs to my mind.<<<
I like Gossell's work though I don't own any. In all honesty, Faile and Gossell both remind me more of Rotella, Villegle, and Hains than each other. From what I know, Faile and Gossell both create collages that share an inspiration from the de collages produced by the the New Realists. They have both drawn inspriation from artists before them and make it their own which is something any good artist does. To suggest that one is directly copying the other to me is similar to the argument elsewhere on this page regarding the soup spray cans. IOW, I think we're going off tangent if we argue that one of these artists found inspiration before the other when both of them (imo*) are more influenced by artists that were doing similar looking compositions well before them.
>>>What do people think? Faile instantly springs to my mind.<<<
I like Gossell's work though I don't own any. In all honesty, Faile and Gossell both remind me more of Rotella, Villegle, and Hains than each other. From what I know, Faile and Gossell both create collages that share an inspiration from the de collages produced by the the New Realists. They have both drawn inspriation from artists before them and make it their own which is something any good artist does. To suggest that one is directly copying the other to me is similar to the argument elsewhere on this page regarding the soup spray cans. IOW, I think we're going off tangent if we argue that one of these artists found inspiration before the other when both of them (imo*) are more influenced by artists that were doing similar looking compositions well before them.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on Sept 6, 2009 0:57:35 GMT 1, Hats off to my framer who did a real nice job as the frame has hints of the icing within it though difficult to tell from a photo.
Hats off to my framer who did a real nice job as the frame has hints of the icing within it though difficult to tell from a photo.
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Banksy Art FRAMED, by lee3 on Sept 6, 2009 0:46:57 GMT 1,
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Faile Happens Every Day BOX, by lee3 on Sept 4, 2009 17:52:42 GMT 1, good luck on your sale. I was stunned to see the amount of work and average quality that Sotheby's is offering in September. it's by FAR the best quality sale of the September offerings. The new online catalog takes some getting used to but is intersting if nothing else.
>>>A decent selection of Warhol too.. <<<
I paused when I saw this earlier today. This is just perfect to me in so many ways and I suspect it will go for 3X that estimate unless the condition report reads poorly. I'll bet Susan Sheehan is a bidder and with no reserve either.
www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159538311
good luck on your sale. I was stunned to see the amount of work and average quality that Sotheby's is offering in September. it's by FAR the best quality sale of the September offerings. The new online catalog takes some getting used to but is intersting if nothing else. >>>A decent selection of Warhol too.. <<< I paused when I saw this earlier today. This is just perfect to me in so many ways and I suspect it will go for 3X that estimate unless the condition report reads poorly. I'll bet Susan Sheehan is a bidder and with no reserve either. www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159538311
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