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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by lee3 on May 7, 2017 17:55:54 GMT 1, banksy sitting on the fence statement... Would be nice if Banksy stated if he was anti or pro Brexit. Perhaps the sarcasm is lost on me as barely through a cup of coffee but his body of work is clear which side he is on. His second print alone (BME) clarified that position long ago.
banksy sitting on the fence statement... Would be nice if Banksy stated if he was anti or pro Brexit. Perhaps the sarcasm is lost on me as barely through a cup of coffee but his body of work is clear which side he is on. His second print alone (BME) clarified that position long ago.
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Banksy Stop & Search original image!!, by lee3 on Apr 29, 2017 2:41:16 GMT 1, Must have been ยฃ5000 to move it and respray Respray what?? Nothing will be resprayed...it's now a 6 - 9 month process for removing the layers of paint & restoring the original artwork underneath. You obv have no idea of just what's involved mate! It's well into 6 figures what this'll cost fully restored...it was nearly 20k for designing the frame, the steels, fabrication, ground works, welding etc etc then lifting & transportation! As for rather having the print...there isn't 1 of this mate, it's unique & iconic!
You've probably spent more on removal than it will be worth, let alone restoration.
Must have been ยฃ5000 to move it and respray Respray what?? Nothing will be resprayed...it's now a 6 - 9 month process for removing the layers of paint & restoring the original artwork underneath. You obv have no idea of just what's involved mate! It's well into 6 figures what this'll cost fully restored...it was nearly 20k for designing the frame, the steels, fabrication, ground works, welding etc etc then lifting & transportation! As for rather having the print...there isn't 1 of this mate, it's unique & iconic! You've probably spent more on removal than it will be worth, let alone restoration.
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Cheapest Banksy signed and unsigned, by lee3 on Apr 7, 2017 17:23:16 GMT 1, strange request- surely the aim of art is having something you like rather than owning a brand ? OP needs to re-evaluate his priorities in life Hmmm, I don't see that request as strange as when I started buying 20 years ago, I was mostly buying grade D/F examples of Pop artists as it was all I could afford and was into their work. I was learning to love art and loved the work of those artists but obviously affordability enters the equation. Banksy has moved into that equation of affordability for most, that's simply matter of fact.
Similarly, I've been going backwards as of late and want some work from modern masters in my collection and there again, it's the very tiniest of sketches that I could entertain to get me into that game. It doesn't mean I don't lust for their brushstrokes or have any less appreciation for their work. It is simply a reflection of pricing reality, no? I don't see it as owning a brand but rather finding the right piece within a budget that one takes pride in which allows them to pause and reflect when passing by it in their own home.
Ruggs, I too remember '09 well and you couldn't sell those lenin on skates for 15k. Nobody wanted them and similarly, large Nola canvases went unsold at auction. I don't believe any of the editioned canvases were selling above the price of a standard print these days. Quite remarkable really
strange request- surely the aim of art is having something you like rather than owning a brand ? OP needs to re-evaluate his priorities in life Hmmm, I don't see that request as strange as when I started buying 20 years ago, I was mostly buying grade D/F examples of Pop artists as it was all I could afford and was into their work. I was learning to love art and loved the work of those artists but obviously affordability enters the equation. Banksy has moved into that equation of affordability for most, that's simply matter of fact. Similarly, I've been going backwards as of late and want some work from modern masters in my collection and there again, it's the very tiniest of sketches that I could entertain to get me into that game. It doesn't mean I don't lust for their brushstrokes or have any less appreciation for their work. It is simply a reflection of pricing reality, no? I don't see it as owning a brand but rather finding the right piece within a budget that one takes pride in which allows them to pause and reflect when passing by it in their own home. Ruggs, I too remember '09 well and you couldn't sell those lenin on skates for 15k. Nobody wanted them and similarly, large Nola canvases went unsold at auction. I don't believe any of the editioned canvases were selling above the price of a standard print these days. Quite remarkable really
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Banksy, Walled Off Hotel, GIFT SHOP, by lee3 on Mar 21, 2017 0:57:47 GMT 1, That's a cropped photo and curiously taken as a work in progress before he finished it. Here is what it looked like in the 1890s when (William Teulon) Brandford Fletcher painted it: Another work in progress and around the time it must have been photographed for the cropped version posted on his instagram today: And this is the finished version Lovely painting and I look at it with its dismal theme suggesting we used to be bored senseless with friends doing silly things together to pass the time a century ago. And now all these years later, our advances and progress have led us to boredom and isolation on our computers. Lee Please check out the events of July 16th 2014 to understand the context of this picture. NBC covered the story. Chris
Thx for the tip; that's a grim interpretation- ouch.
That's a cropped photo and curiously taken as a work in progress before he finished it. Here is what it looked like in the 1890s when (William Teulon) Brandford Fletcher painted it: Another work in progress and around the time it must have been photographed for the cropped version posted on his instagram today: And this is the finished version Lovely painting and I look at it with its dismal theme suggesting we used to be bored senseless with friends doing silly things together to pass the time a century ago. And now all these years later, our advances and progress have led us to boredom and isolation on our computers. Lee Please check out the events of July 16th 2014 to understand the context of this picture. NBC covered the story. Chris Thx for the tip; that's a grim interpretation- ouch.
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Banksy, Walled Off Hotel, GIFT SHOP, by lee3 on Mar 21, 2017 0:17:43 GMT 1, ^me too, sorry for the confusion. I believe the original to be innocent as well. I wrote dismal because that's where this crude first showed up. But, I've always loved his reaction to his surroundings in the streets (take that tree, tight rope rat, etc) and I find it fascinating to see which paintings provoke a similar mental response from him that result in many of his crude oils. so Crude oils as most of all been photoshopped ? .. I don't speak about the funny digression or anomalies ( lol ) on them, but on the classical support ... I thought that realistic painters paint the backgrounds , landscape etc .. Many of the crude oils are simply additions he's made on top of other paintings whereas some of the really expensive one he has to recreate. I had to do some real digging to find out the original painting was by Brandford Fletcher who painted in Cornwall over a century ago. Turns out the original painting was called setting sail and and it was auctioned in new orleans for about $5k at the same time Banksy was doing his grey ghost/nola campain.
^me too, sorry for the confusion. I believe the original to be innocent as well. I wrote dismal because that's where this crude first showed up. But, I've always loved his reaction to his surroundings in the streets (take that tree, tight rope rat, etc) and I find it fascinating to see which paintings provoke a similar mental response from him that result in many of his crude oils. so Crude oils as most of all been photoshopped ? .. I don't speak about the funny digression or anomalies ( lol ) on them, but on the classical support ... I thought that realistic painters paint the backgrounds , landscape etc .. Many of the crude oils are simply additions he's made on top of other paintings whereas some of the really expensive one he has to recreate. I had to do some real digging to find out the original painting was by Brandford Fletcher who painted in Cornwall over a century ago. Turns out the original painting was called setting sail and and it was auctioned in new orleans for about $5k at the same time Banksy was doing his grey ghost/nola campain.
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Banksy, Walled Off Hotel, GIFT SHOP, by lee3 on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:43 GMT 1, ^me too, sorry for the confusion. I believe the original to be innocent as well. I wrote dismal because that's where this crude first showed up. But, I've always loved his reaction to his surroundings in the streets (take that tree, tight rope rat, etc) and I find it fascinating to see which paintings provoke a similar mental response from him that result in many of his crude oils.
^me too, sorry for the confusion. I believe the original to be innocent as well. I wrote dismal because that's where this crude first showed up. But, I've always loved his reaction to his surroundings in the streets (take that tree, tight rope rat, etc) and I find it fascinating to see which paintings provoke a similar mental response from him that result in many of his crude oils.
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Banksy, Walled Off Hotel, GIFT SHOP, by lee3 on Mar 20, 2017 23:33:53 GMT 1, A frozen moment That's a cropped photo and curiously taken as a work in progress before he finished it. Here is what it looked like in the 1890s when (William Teulon) Brandford Fletcher painted it:
Another work in progress and around the time it must have been photographed for the cropped version posted on his instagram today:
And this is the finished version
Lovely painting and I look at it with its dismal theme suggesting we used to be bored senseless with friends doing silly things together to pass the time a century ago. And now all these years later, our advances and progress have led us to boredom and isolation on our computers.
A frozen moment That's a cropped photo and curiously taken as a work in progress before he finished it. Here is what it looked like in the 1890s when (William Teulon) Brandford Fletcher painted it: Another work in progress and around the time it must have been photographed for the cropped version posted on his instagram today: And this is the finished version Lovely painting and I look at it with its dismal theme suggesting we used to be bored senseless with friends doing silly things together to pass the time a century ago. And now all these years later, our advances and progress have led us to boredom and isolation on our computers.
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Howard Hodgkin RIP, by lee3 on Mar 10, 2017 2:35:33 GMT 1, Well that's a bummer to read. Such rich color in his works and I've never seen an artist more talented at painting his frames. Love that detail; he'll be missed.
Well that's a bummer to read. Such rich color in his works and I've never seen an artist more talented at painting his frames. Love that detail; he'll be missed.
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Bonhams 8th March Banksy Jail Break, by lee3 on Feb 16, 2017 18:24:08 GMT 1, There is a rat sculpture (lot 308) buried at the end of an underwhelming Christie's london day sale. The best work for my eyes in that sale is the g. brown homage to auerbach (lot 144):
www.christies.com/PDF/catalog/2017/CKS14438_SaleCat.pdf
Edit: Here is christie's evening sale which no surprise is much better:
www.christies.com/PDF/catalog/2017/CKS14437_final.pdf
my eyes gravitate towards the fontana on silver at lot 19 and the resting calder at 31 which belongs in a museum.
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Bonhams 8th March Banksy Jail Break, by lee3 on Feb 14, 2017 17:49:29 GMT 1, ^ You sure there are just two Thugs? I thought i saw a 3rd but could well be mistaken. There are 4 more works coming under the hammer at sotheby's day sale, the best of which (this is a pipe) is featured more prominently than the other 3 (smiling copper, fly, bad meaning good). Some dated Warhol, a nice Pettibon and a nice Ruscha (the end) in there too. www.sothebys.com/pdf/2017/L17021/index.htmlInteresting that the metal plate on the Pipe piece has been cut to a smaller size. I wonder if that was done with the artist's permission, or cut down after!? Good question, my hunch which is pure speculation, is that it was done by the artist before it went to whomever purchased it. Always the perfectionist, he improves much/most of his work in the studio after exhibition before it is delivered to the collector. Regardless of who performed the change, it looks much better to my eyes cut down and framed as it stands now.
^ You sure there are just two Thugs? I thought i saw a 3rd but could well be mistaken. There are 4 more works coming under the hammer at sotheby's day sale, the best of which (this is a pipe) is featured more prominently than the other 3 (smiling copper, fly, bad meaning good). Some dated Warhol, a nice Pettibon and a nice Ruscha (the end) in there too. www.sothebys.com/pdf/2017/L17021/index.htmlInteresting that the metal plate on the Pipe piece has been cut to a smaller size. I wonder if that was done with the artist's permission, or cut down after!? Good question, my hunch which is pure speculation, is that it was done by the artist before it went to whomever purchased it. Always the perfectionist, he improves much/most of his work in the studio after exhibition before it is delivered to the collector. Regardless of who performed the change, it looks much better to my eyes cut down and framed as it stands now.
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Bonhams 8th March Banksy Jail Break, by lee3 on Feb 14, 2017 17:14:50 GMT 1, ^ You sure there are just two Thugs? I thought i saw a 3rd but could well be mistaken. There are 4 more works coming under the hammer at sotheby's day sale, the best of which (this is a pipe) is featured more prominently than the other 3 (smiling copper, fly, bad meaning good). Some dated Warhol, a nice Pettibon and a nice Ruscha (the end) in there too.
www.sothebys.com/pdf/2017/L17021/index.html
^ You sure there are just two Thugs? I thought i saw a 3rd but could well be mistaken. There are 4 more works coming under the hammer at sotheby's day sale, the best of which (this is a pipe) is featured more prominently than the other 3 (smiling copper, fly, bad meaning good). Some dated Warhol, a nice Pettibon and a nice Ruscha (the end) in there too. www.sothebys.com/pdf/2017/L17021/index.html
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Not Banksy in LA?, by lee3 on Feb 8, 2017 17:21:50 GMT 1, Any details on this image would be great. I don't recall seeing this before. Location, year ect.? I don't believe that I've ever seen that quote from him anywhere either. Am I mistaken about the quote? Because if one looks at instagram or google, that quote is plastered all over the place as though it's one of the finest statements he's ever made. Some have gone so far as to tattoo it.
Any details on this image would be great. I don't recall seeing this before. Location, year ect.? I don't believe that I've ever seen that quote from him anywhere either. Am I mistaken about the quote? Because if one looks at instagram or google, that quote is plastered all over the place as though it's one of the finest statements he's ever made. Some have gone so far as to tattoo it.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by lee3 on Jan 19, 2017 17:51:29 GMT 1, I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction? Goodness no, although that's odd speculation. It was simply a case where the fact that it didn't sell surprised me as I reviewed the auction outcomes. That in turn led to a phone call to the house and the rest of the boring story.
Looking back, it was probably commonplace in '09 for many art lovers to wonder aloud if they would have paid the low estimate for works as the market was quickly hitting its bottom. Those auctions were littered with unsold works on the heels of outrageous prices (and a top) in '08. We certainly didn't know it at the time but the first half of '09 was arguably the worst half year for auctions from a selling standpoint so far this century.
I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction? Goodness no, although that's odd speculation. It was simply a case where the fact that it didn't sell surprised me as I reviewed the auction outcomes. That in turn led to a phone call to the house and the rest of the boring story. Looking back, it was probably commonplace in '09 for many art lovers to wonder aloud if they would have paid the low estimate for works as the market was quickly hitting its bottom. Those auctions were littered with unsold works on the heels of outrageous prices (and a top) in '08. We certainly didn't know it at the time but the first half of '09 was arguably the worst half year for auctions from a selling standpoint so far this century.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by lee3 on Jan 17, 2017 19:03:10 GMT 1, 210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand.
Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In
210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In
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HANGING FRAMED ART ON PLASTERBOARD, by lee3 on Dec 3, 2016 18:09:47 GMT 1, I've used these on a number of heavy works in two different homes and they've worked flawlessly. A bigger hole in the wall than a nail for sure but your art isn't laying on the floor at any point either with a huge chuck of dry wall. When i left it was easy to caulk and paint over. Better still, i reused the same hanger supports on the same pieces at the second house. Highly recommended and should point out that they were installed on the first go around by professional hangers. I wanted someone who knew their stuff doing it the first time so i can't take credit for it but it was easy to remove and reuse. Good luck
www.amazon.com/OOK-Heavy-Duty-Drywall-Hanger-Supports/dp/B000CSN354
I've used these on a number of heavy works in two different homes and they've worked flawlessly. A bigger hole in the wall than a nail for sure but your art isn't laying on the floor at any point either with a huge chuck of dry wall. When i left it was easy to caulk and paint over. Better still, i reused the same hanger supports on the same pieces at the second house. Highly recommended and should point out that they were installed on the first go around by professional hangers. I wanted someone who knew their stuff doing it the first time so i can't take credit for it but it was easy to remove and reuse. Good luck www.amazon.com/OOK-Heavy-Duty-Drywall-Hanger-Supports/dp/B000CSN354
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This guy's Banksy Collection, by lee3 on Nov 25, 2016 18:02:50 GMT 1, Being in oz,hours behind I missed these pics but yes the punk is one of my top og's (can you post a pic again?) I remember back in the wallkandy days we'd see glimpses of lee's collection, impressive..
i'm under larthree at instagram and happy to add you there. i'm not the most active contributor and looking forward soon to adding A LOT more underwater photos (it's going to be turtle overload i'm afraid with hopefully the occasional whale, fingers crossed) on there and flickr but happy to add you there. I just don't want it all public at this site which I hope you can appreciate.
Being in oz,hours behind I missed these pics but yes the punk is one of my top og's (can you post a pic again?) I remember back in the wallkandy days we'd see glimpses of lee's collection, impressive.. i'm under larthree at instagram and happy to add you there. i'm not the most active contributor and looking forward soon to adding A LOT more underwater photos (it's going to be turtle overload i'm afraid with hopefully the occasional whale, fingers crossed) on there and flickr but happy to add you there. I just don't want it all public at this site which I hope you can appreciate.
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This guy's Banksy Collection, by lee3 on Nov 25, 2016 0:31:58 GMT 1, >>>Would love to run into you at a show but I imagine it will be tough as we have surpassed our traveling days. If you for some odd reason doing nye shoot me a message!<<<
i traveled to vegas this year with ~15 good buddies as a bunch of us are entering new phases in life (one of whom is becoming a first time father to twins at 43!). Also saw them a couple times over the summer so 6 shows this year i guess. They're in top form as far as i'm concerned and i'm inspired by the fact that trey could clean himself up from the certain death path he was headed down 10 years ago. I don't agree with the dad rock criticism as i see a guy who had the strength to quit before it killed him and embrace life as it's just too short. I had as good of time seeing them a few weeks ago as i ever have and would love to be doing nyc (with a certain member from brooklyn who will be taking in his first show) but just relocated to hawaii a few weeks ago after nearly 20 years in san fran. So, i hope to be diving or surfing instead and adjusting to a slower pace of life but have fun. hopefully we'll share a pint at a future show.
>>>Would love to run into you at a show but I imagine it will be tough as we have surpassed our traveling days. If you for some odd reason doing nye shoot me a message!<<<
i traveled to vegas this year with ~15 good buddies as a bunch of us are entering new phases in life (one of whom is becoming a first time father to twins at 43!). Also saw them a couple times over the summer so 6 shows this year i guess. They're in top form as far as i'm concerned and i'm inspired by the fact that trey could clean himself up from the certain death path he was headed down 10 years ago. I don't agree with the dad rock criticism as i see a guy who had the strength to quit before it killed him and embrace life as it's just too short. I had as good of time seeing them a few weeks ago as i ever have and would love to be doing nyc (with a certain member from brooklyn who will be taking in his first show) but just relocated to hawaii a few weeks ago after nearly 20 years in san fran. So, i hope to be diving or surfing instead and adjusting to a slower pace of life but have fun. hopefully we'll share a pint at a future show.
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This guy's Banksy Collection, by lee3 on Nov 24, 2016 22:58:26 GMT 1, >>>Now I know why you know so much about this subject.<<< Because scorpio's can be overly passionate about what they love? I'm a bit of a savant with this artist because the work hit me (and continues to do so) where it counts and I've studied it feverishly over the years to a degree that most would describe as mental. Like phish, i think i've seen them 150/200 times over the past 25 years but not a spinner and pretty tame all things considered for that fanbase. And I agree with you ie that punk is like fine wine, that one gets even better as it ages. Thanks again all Punk was my favourite piece at the Bristol Museum show. Thanks, to this day I can't name a better visual art experience than that show. I'm biased to no end but that show was so powerful and an absolute blast meeting a lot of you. I vividly remember standing in front of that painting, walking away and revisiting it and taking it in for longer and longer spells. Whenever I get to share that with someone, I try to point out that it amazes me that the figures are largely stencil based but the entire wall paper behind them is all hand painted sans stencil. Logically, I've never understood why a stencil artist takes the time to hand paint the wallpaper behind the subjects and this isn't an isolated case either; he simply loves his wallpaper. A curiosity I'd love to ask over a pint, but highly unlikely at this point. It is one of the better ones from that show for my eyes up there with gleaners/smoke break and a few of the other older crude oils from previous shows that were on loan (alien invasion and insecurity fence or whatever that one is properly called).
>>>Now I know why you know so much about this subject.<<< Because scorpio's can be overly passionate about what they love? I'm a bit of a savant with this artist because the work hit me (and continues to do so) where it counts and I've studied it feverishly over the years to a degree that most would describe as mental. Like phish, i think i've seen them 150/200 times over the past 25 years but not a spinner and pretty tame all things considered for that fanbase. And I agree with you ie that punk is like fine wine, that one gets even better as it ages. Thanks again all Punk was my favourite piece at the Bristol Museum show. Thanks, to this day I can't name a better visual art experience than that show. I'm biased to no end but that show was so powerful and an absolute blast meeting a lot of you. I vividly remember standing in front of that painting, walking away and revisiting it and taking it in for longer and longer spells. Whenever I get to share that with someone, I try to point out that it amazes me that the figures are largely stencil based but the entire wall paper behind them is all hand painted sans stencil. Logically, I've never understood why a stencil artist takes the time to hand paint the wallpaper behind the subjects and this isn't an isolated case either; he simply loves his wallpaper. A curiosity I'd love to ask over a pint, but highly unlikely at this point. It is one of the better ones from that show for my eyes up there with gleaners/smoke break and a few of the other older crude oils from previous shows that were on loan (alien invasion and insecurity fence or whatever that one is properly called).
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This guy's Banksy Collection, by lee3 on Nov 24, 2016 20:36:29 GMT 1, >>>Now I know why you know so much about this subject.<<<
Because scorpios can be overly passionate about what they love? I'm a bit of a savant with this artist because the work hit me (and continues to do so) where it counts and I've studied it feverishly over the years to a degree that most would describe as mental. Like phish, i think i've seen them 150/200 times over the past 25 years but I'm not a spinner and pretty tame all things considered for that fanbase. And I agree with you ie that punk is like fine wine, that one gets even better as it ages. Thanks again all
>>>Now I know why you know so much about this subject.<<<
Because scorpios can be overly passionate about what they love? I'm a bit of a savant with this artist because the work hit me (and continues to do so) where it counts and I've studied it feverishly over the years to a degree that most would describe as mental. Like phish, i think i've seen them 150/200 times over the past 25 years but I'm not a spinner and pretty tame all things considered for that fanbase. And I agree with you ie that punk is like fine wine, that one gets even better as it ages. Thanks again all
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This guy's Banksy Collection, by lee3 on Nov 24, 2016 20:04:14 GMT 1, Thanks for the compliments throughout the thread and even more so to those that asked to leave me out of it until i poked my head around, that's class. Honestly was asleep until a few moments ago. It's always seemed to me like a small, rabid community that has exploded but most of us that have been collecting for as long have had the opportunity to share alike. My opinion is art is meant to be shared as opposed to hidden somewhere as it's more fun that way. The photos were public so longshanks is totally cool, i appreciate the applause, i really do. I love the work, it's as simple as that and am honored and proud to be able admire it. I also like to snap photos so art on the wall and photography is a natural parntership. I've kept most of that private at flickr for eons and more recently dribbled bits of it out publicly at insta.
But, as I had 10 minutes to think about it over coffee, it's probably smartest to simply switch that account private in line with what i've done at flickr. Enough about that, genuinely nice to read everyone's thoughts and awesome to see cosmic posting again. In answer to the couple questions, nothing was lifted from the streets, all purchased over the past 15 years and most of it many years old at this point. The crude oil was not from the '05 show but is a few years old now. Most of those photos have been my rotating avatars over the years so a case of anything but stealth but would simply rather not have a virtual reminder anytime i see this site. Thanks again
Thanks for the compliments throughout the thread and even more so to those that asked to leave me out of it until i poked my head around, that's class. Honestly was asleep until a few moments ago. It's always seemed to me like a small, rabid community that has exploded but most of us that have been collecting for as long have had the opportunity to share alike. My opinion is art is meant to be shared as opposed to hidden somewhere as it's more fun that way. The photos were public so longshanks is totally cool, i appreciate the applause, i really do. I love the work, it's as simple as that and am honored and proud to be able admire it. I also like to snap photos so art on the wall and photography is a natural parntership. I've kept most of that private at flickr for eons and more recently dribbled bits of it out publicly at insta.
But, as I had 10 minutes to think about it over coffee, it's probably smartest to simply switch that account private in line with what i've done at flickr. Enough about that, genuinely nice to read everyone's thoughts and awesome to see cosmic posting again. In answer to the couple questions, nothing was lifted from the streets, all purchased over the past 15 years and most of it many years old at this point. The crude oil was not from the '05 show but is a few years old now. Most of those photos have been my rotating avatars over the years so a case of anything but stealth but would simply rather not have a virtual reminder anytime i see this site. Thanks again
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Did you guys miss me allready? , by lee3 on Nov 21, 2016 18:42:21 GMT 1, Those are all mine, yes DJ. Certainly not meant to come across as competitive but rather complimentary. They are among the most misunderstood species on this planet and suffer mightily from our collective stupidity. We slaughter their numbers in the hundreds of millions a year from irrational fears and ignorance about special powers from their fins. 15+ years ago I could regularly head out to catalina (off the coast of la) and do blue and mako shark dives this time of year and photograph and tag more than i could keep up with. Unfortunately, their numbers have dwindled to the point that those trips are no longer feasible with regularity. I've never had the pleasure of diving with whites, closest I've come is with large tiger sharks. The ultimate thrill for me was huffing and puffing with long free diving fins to catch up to a whale shark in the galapagos and hold onto her tail for a ride (got nice video of it too). It took everything in my power to catch up to her and she effortlessly moved exponentially faster than me with a tiny swivel of her tail.
I know fellow contributor JB had the pleasure of seeing whites in south africa. I've wanted to head to south africa for years to dive with whites with Andre Hartman (fatherhood got in my way) who has contributed to legions of documentaries on them. Andre free dives with them and gets closer than I would feel comfortable but if you haven't had the pleasure, you should seek out his videos. Great stuff
Those are all mine, yes DJ. Certainly not meant to come across as competitive but rather complimentary. They are among the most misunderstood species on this planet and suffer mightily from our collective stupidity. We slaughter their numbers in the hundreds of millions a year from irrational fears and ignorance about special powers from their fins. 15+ years ago I could regularly head out to catalina (off the coast of la) and do blue and mako shark dives this time of year and photograph and tag more than i could keep up with. Unfortunately, their numbers have dwindled to the point that those trips are no longer feasible with regularity. I've never had the pleasure of diving with whites, closest I've come is with large tiger sharks. The ultimate thrill for me was huffing and puffing with long free diving fins to catch up to a whale shark in the galapagos and hold onto her tail for a ride (got nice video of it too). It took everything in my power to catch up to her and she effortlessly moved exponentially faster than me with a tiny swivel of her tail.
I know fellow contributor JB had the pleasure of seeing whites in south africa. I've wanted to head to south africa for years to dive with whites with Andre Hartman (fatherhood got in my way) who has contributed to legions of documentaries on them. Andre free dives with them and gets closer than I would feel comfortable but if you haven't had the pleasure, you should seek out his videos. Great stuff
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Did you guys miss me allready? , by lee3 on Nov 5, 2016 22:59:04 GMT 1, Nice, always been a love of mine too. I've been blessed diving with thousands of them over the years and only ever encountered two that behaved aggressively towards me. I find it to be far more symbiotic below the surface than above which is a bit sad. Wow ! Where are those photos from? I just did my first shark dives recently in Caribbean - it was amazing - but no way as impressive as your pics. Thx, the handful above were shot in the Galapagos, Rangiroa, Fakarava and Cozumel. I've been fortunate to seek out a bunch of corners of the world diving and shoot more than just sharks but that seemed like a nice focus given dive jedi's initial post. I'm jealous jedi as I've never done the guadalupe trip for white sharks; I'm sure that was quite the thrill. It's rather unfortunate that sharks get a raw deal but I don't see that changing anytime soon. We happen to be relocating our family to Hawaii after 20 years in the bay area on Monday and hoping to complete the bottom half of this photo over the winter when the humpbacks return. Looking forward to getting underwater a lot more often soon enough...
Nice, always been a love of mine too. I've been blessed diving with thousands of them over the years and only ever encountered two that behaved aggressively towards me. I find it to be far more symbiotic below the surface than above which is a bit sad. Wow ! Where are those photos from? I just did my first shark dives recently in Caribbean - it was amazing - but no way as impressive as your pics. Thx, the handful above were shot in the Galapagos, Rangiroa, Fakarava and Cozumel. I've been fortunate to seek out a bunch of corners of the world diving and shoot more than just sharks but that seemed like a nice focus given dive jedi's initial post. I'm jealous jedi as I've never done the guadalupe trip for white sharks; I'm sure that was quite the thrill. It's rather unfortunate that sharks get a raw deal but I don't see that changing anytime soon. We happen to be relocating our family to Hawaii after 20 years in the bay area on Monday and hoping to complete the bottom half of this photo over the winter when the humpbacks return. Looking forward to getting underwater a lot more often soon enough...
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Forum Auctions โข Banksy Marketplace ๐ฌ๐ง, by lee3 on Oct 13, 2016 17:59:34 GMT 1, Interesting reading above especially posterbobs put down of unsigned prints in his words "nothing more than copies without any form of artistic involvement. Without a signature, these prints are essentially worthless". At the moment unsigned are becoming more sought-after simply because most signed prints are completely out of most peoples affordability. With GWRB signed prints now reaching close to ยฃ90k, is it any wonder why someone desperately wanting that image are turning to the unsigned version instead. And because of that it is now commanding a price tag in excess of ยฃ25k. In the short term, I agree, signed prints will keep rising in value, some more than others, but so will unsigned prints. When will it all stop? None of us know that. But while Banksy's popularity increases, so will his work. Not to knock posterbob but i think he is speaking the truth from an old timer point of view though perhaps not delicately, more like the proverbial bull/china shop. The advice that was given to me when I was being taught about collecting was never buy an unsigned edition, period. That was taught to me by people who were taught by generations before them. It's just the way it is in those circles and I'm not criticizing that view, just recognizing it for what it is. To be honest, I respect it and follow it because I respected my teachers but I'm not blind to the reality around me. The reality is that this artist is plowing his own way and in many ways making a mockery of the old art establishment. The rules are being rewritten in a way and I think we see that reflected in not only the acceptance of unsigned prints for this artist in particular, but a fevered pursuit of them by many collectors. I believe the authentication trail does wonders for their collectability too.
Interesting reading above especially posterbobs put down of unsigned prints in his words "nothing more than copies without any form of artistic involvement. Without a signature, these prints are essentially worthless". At the moment unsigned are becoming more sought-after simply because most signed prints are completely out of most peoples affordability. With GWRB signed prints now reaching close to ยฃ90k, is it any wonder why someone desperately wanting that image are turning to the unsigned version instead. And because of that it is now commanding a price tag in excess of ยฃ25k. In the short term, I agree, signed prints will keep rising in value, some more than others, but so will unsigned prints. When will it all stop? None of us know that. But while Banksy's popularity increases, so will his work. Not to knock posterbob but i think he is speaking the truth from an old timer point of view though perhaps not delicately, more like the proverbial bull/china shop. The advice that was given to me when I was being taught about collecting was never buy an unsigned edition, period. That was taught to me by people who were taught by generations before them. It's just the way it is in those circles and I'm not criticizing that view, just recognizing it for what it is. To be honest, I respect it and follow it because I respected my teachers but I'm not blind to the reality around me. The reality is that this artist is plowing his own way and in many ways making a mockery of the old art establishment. The rules are being rewritten in a way and I think we see that reflected in not only the acceptance of unsigned prints for this artist in particular, but a fevered pursuit of them by many collectors. I believe the authentication trail does wonders for their collectability too.
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Forum Auctions โข Banksy Marketplace ๐ฌ๐ง, by lee3 on Oct 12, 2016 19:11:40 GMT 1, Always good to admit ones shortcomings as I suggested to a friend who has been looking to buy this artist that this may very well be a decent opportunity. I argued that since I'd never heard of Forum that they probably didn't have the ability to cast a wide sales net compared with the competition. Further, I argued there were too many works for sale, in an otherwise off date for sales, and therefore she might see saturation in the salesroom. I've apologized to her already.
Always good to admit ones shortcomings as I suggested to a friend who has been looking to buy this artist that this may very well be a decent opportunity. I argued that since I'd never heard of Forum that they probably didn't have the ability to cast a wide sales net compared with the competition. Further, I argued there were too many works for sale, in an otherwise off date for sales, and therefore she might see saturation in the salesroom. I've apologized to her already.
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QJG at sothebys, by lee3 on Sept 21, 2016 18:16:05 GMT 1, Yes, Christie's charges the seller 25% premium on the hammer (16k) so the price with premium to the buyer is 20k. Then Christies charges the buyer an additional 4% artist resale rights on the hammer price and delivers that charge to pest control. And finally, the buyer pays for shipping and any import taxes depending upon their place of residence (if it were me in CA (it wasn't), I'd be paying another 9%). Christie's will ask for a 10% fee from the seller but that is negotiable and for something like this you can expect the seller paid 5 or 6% of the hammer if this is all they consigned. If their consignments are approaching 50k+ in value, then they should be paying a few points at most. If they have friends at Christie's, consign regularly, or consign art worth ~100k they should have no difficulty getting their sellers fees waved for a high demand artist. So a fair guesstimate is that the seller received ~15.2 (if this is all they consigned) and the buyer paid upwards of ~22/23. edit: viking, the estimate was 10-15. So based on another thread for another artist. This is worth ยฃ15,200 as nothing else is counted. even though the seller paid ยฃ23k their print is now worth ยฃ8.2k less instantly. no? ๐๐ป www.urbanartassociation.com/post/1521202/thread I have certainly never suggested as much. I tend to look at auctions as having a premium to secondary sales yet they help set the market. I don't sell much from my collection either but the logic taught to me which I've saluted it is that it's far better to take 10% off the price with premium (if there are enough sales to give a good indication of a market) and sell it there which gives the seller a better return then they could get at auction and the buyer a discount from auction. It leaves meat on the bone so to speak and avoids the delay and anxiety that comes with consigning. But, to be clear, there are a lot of buyers that only buy at auction because they want the provenance established by someone like Christie's where the buyer can put it back to Chrsitie's if there is ever a problem down the line. A lot of people across the globe are delighted to pay that premium which is one of the principle reasons auction prices tend to be higher than secondary market.
Lastly, that advice to slash 10% is probably not acute in this case as that would equate to an 18k sale. From memory these were 15k pieces on secondary but i really don't keep up with secondary (apart from auction results) to any degree and that may have been pre brexit so I'm talking with a finger to the wind here and anything but dictating where the market should be. Rather, just regurgitating the advice I tend to follow. The arguments that often spawn on this site I view as people talking their book which I do my best to avoid but we all have our biases.
Yes, Christie's charges the seller 25% premium on the hammer (16k) so the price with premium to the buyer is 20k. Then Christies charges the buyer an additional 4% artist resale rights on the hammer price and delivers that charge to pest control. And finally, the buyer pays for shipping and any import taxes depending upon their place of residence (if it were me in CA (it wasn't), I'd be paying another 9%). Christie's will ask for a 10% fee from the seller but that is negotiable and for something like this you can expect the seller paid 5 or 6% of the hammer if this is all they consigned. If their consignments are approaching 50k+ in value, then they should be paying a few points at most. If they have friends at Christie's, consign regularly, or consign art worth ~100k they should have no difficulty getting their sellers fees waved for a high demand artist. So a fair guesstimate is that the seller received ~15.2 (if this is all they consigned) and the buyer paid upwards of ~22/23. edit: viking, the estimate was 10-15. So based on another thread for another artist. This is worth ยฃ15,200 as nothing else is counted. even though the seller paid ยฃ23k their print is now worth ยฃ8.2k less instantly. no? ๐๐ป www.urbanartassociation.com/post/1521202/threadI have certainly never suggested as much. I tend to look at auctions as having a premium to secondary sales yet they help set the market. I don't sell much from my collection either but the logic taught to me which I've saluted it is that it's far better to take 10% off the price with premium (if there are enough sales to give a good indication of a market) and sell it there which gives the seller a better return then they could get at auction and the buyer a discount from auction. It leaves meat on the bone so to speak and avoids the delay and anxiety that comes with consigning. But, to be clear, there are a lot of buyers that only buy at auction because they want the provenance established by someone like Christie's where the buyer can put it back to Chrsitie's if there is ever a problem down the line. A lot of people across the globe are delighted to pay that premium which is one of the principle reasons auction prices tend to be higher than secondary market. Lastly, that advice to slash 10% is probably not acute in this case as that would equate to an 18k sale. From memory these were 15k pieces on secondary but i really don't keep up with secondary (apart from auction results) to any degree and that may have been pre brexit so I'm talking with a finger to the wind here and anything but dictating where the market should be. Rather, just regurgitating the advice I tend to follow. The arguments that often spawn on this site I view as people talking their book which I do my best to avoid but we all have our biases.
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QJG at sothebys, by lee3 on Sept 21, 2016 17:09:07 GMT 1, Does anyone know what the fees would be to the buyer and seller Yes, Christie's charges the seller 25% premium on the hammer (16k) so the price with premium to the buyer is 20k. Then Christies charges the buyer an additional 4% artist resale rights on the hammer price and delivers that charge to pest control. And finally, the buyer pays for shipping and any import taxes depending upon their place of residence (if it were me in CA (it wasn't), I'd be paying another 9%).
Christie's will ask for a 10% fee from the seller but that is negotiable and for something like this you can expect the seller paid 5 or 6% of the hammer if this is all they consigned. If their consignments are approaching 50k+ in value, then they should be paying a few points at most. If they have friends at Christie's, consign regularly, or consign art worth ~100k they should have no difficulty getting their sellers fees waved for a high demand artist.
So a fair guesstimate is that the seller received ~15.2 (if this is all they consigned) and the buyer paid upwards of ~22/23.
edit: viking, the estimate was 10-15.
Does anyone know what the fees would be to the buyer and seller Yes, Christie's charges the seller 25% premium on the hammer (16k) so the price with premium to the buyer is 20k. Then Christies charges the buyer an additional 4% artist resale rights on the hammer price and delivers that charge to pest control. And finally, the buyer pays for shipping and any import taxes depending upon their place of residence (if it were me in CA (it wasn't), I'd be paying another 9%). Christie's will ask for a 10% fee from the seller but that is negotiable and for something like this you can expect the seller paid 5 or 6% of the hammer if this is all they consigned. If their consignments are approaching 50k+ in value, then they should be paying a few points at most. If they have friends at Christie's, consign regularly, or consign art worth ~100k they should have no difficulty getting their sellers fees waved for a high demand artist. So a fair guesstimate is that the seller received ~15.2 (if this is all they consigned) and the buyer paid upwards of ~22/23. edit: viking, the estimate was 10-15.
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by lee3 on Sept 15, 2016 16:23:44 GMT 1, Thank you to those of you that have sent the helpful and constructive comments on this thread and via PM. Do I accept the 85K or go to auction?....... And if so, which auction house? As others have said, there is almost no way the arithmetic can work out in your favor by pushing it to auction. For example: 85 in hand vs. 70% net at auction (assuming 25% buyers fee and 5% seller which you would be able to get with ease for a piece like that) is an equivalent auction price with premium of ~120k+. And if you're a good arm wrestler and negotiate all of the sellers fee away and only had to subtract the 25% buyers premium, you would still need to achieve a price with premium of ~113k gbp to equate to your 85 net. I could be wrong, but as others have mentioned I can not see any reasonable scenario where your Girl With Balloon edition 150 exceeds 113k at auction at this point in time. You would be left to hoping that two inebriated auctiongoers with more money than time each decided they had to have it that night and that's not a wise bet.
Thank you to those of you that have sent the helpful and constructive comments on this thread and via PM. Do I accept the 85K or go to auction?....... And if so, which auction house? As others have said, there is almost no way the arithmetic can work out in your favor by pushing it to auction. For example: 85 in hand vs. 70% net at auction (assuming 25% buyers fee and 5% seller which you would be able to get with ease for a piece like that) is an equivalent auction price with premium of ~120k+. And if you're a good arm wrestler and negotiate all of the sellers fee away and only had to subtract the 25% buyers premium, you would still need to achieve a price with premium of ~113k gbp to equate to your 85 net. I could be wrong, but as others have mentioned I can not see any reasonable scenario where your Girl With Balloon edition 150 exceeds 113k at auction at this point in time. You would be left to hoping that two inebriated auctiongoers with more money than time each decided they had to have it that night and that's not a wise bet.
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