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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by kainers on Jul 12, 2014 2:43:19 GMT 1, Would suggest that your framer should be offering different options, techniques and explaining them. Giving you advice on the piece to be framed. If they are not you should probably be looking else where. You should be making an informed decision that meets your budget whatever it is. I always use the same frame but different glass and techniques depending on the piece Eg. Separate to the glass issue but the fact that this has been raised. I would suggest more important is how is the piece being fixed to the mount and what is it being mounted on. Cost is always an issue with framing but again a good framer can explain the pluses and minus's of different techniques and glass and also there price impact. good way to find a good framer is to ask decent local galleries who is a good framer locally. They are well connected to framers and also as mentioned by Castle know who locally is a bit of a disaster. Galleries also understand the benefits and have experience ย of protecting the art work.
Once again, a thank you to everyone who contributed.
I wasn't sure exactly what to ask, but I did mention that If I ever wanted to make sure I could remove the print without damage I would be able to do so. He mentioned using all acid free something or others and that it is completely reversible. He did explain how it holds to the backing, I think he mentioned loops or something that compress when the glass presses it, which is why I went home , thought about that comment, and made this thread. I didn't think about going over the mounting technique again after I told him to make sure the glass didn't touch. I'll ask tomorrow about it. And I will do a follow up on this thread when I get it to see how it came out and if there were any no no's. I will def ask around galleries for recommendations. A forum member getupgallery has a gallery that is a few blocks away from where I love, but hasn't logged on in a bit. I might take a walk over there.
Thanks everyone
Would suggest that your framer should be offering different options, techniques and explaining them. Giving you advice on the piece to be framed. If they are not you should probably be looking else where. You should be making an informed decision that meets your budget whatever it is. I always use the same frame but different glass and techniques depending on the piece Eg. Separate to the glass issue but the fact that this has been raised. I would suggest more important is how is the piece being fixed to the mount and what is it being mounted on. Cost is always an issue with framing but again a good framer can explain the pluses and minus's of different techniques and glass and also there price impact. good way to find a good framer is to ask decent local galleries who is a good framer locally. They are well connected to framers and also as mentioned by Castle know who locally is a bit of a disaster. Galleries also understand the benefits and have experience ย of protecting the art work. Once again, a thank you to everyone who contributed. I wasn't sure exactly what to ask, but I did mention that If I ever wanted to make sure I could remove the print without damage I would be able to do so. He mentioned using all acid free something or others and that it is completely reversible. He did explain how it holds to the backing, I think he mentioned loops or something that compress when the glass presses it, which is why I went home , thought about that comment, and made this thread. I didn't think about going over the mounting technique again after I told him to make sure the glass didn't touch. I'll ask tomorrow about it. And I will do a follow up on this thread when I get it to see how it came out and if there were any no no's. I will def ask around galleries for recommendations. A forum member getupgallery has a gallery that is a few blocks away from where I love, but hasn't logged on in a bit. I might take a walk over there. Thanks everyone |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by johnnyh on Jul 12, 2014 6:37:54 GMT 1, Good luck with it chap. We have all been there.
Good luck with it chap. We have all been there.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Octopus UK on Jul 12, 2014 20:27:51 GMT 1, ... is a few blocks away from where I love, but hasn't logged on in a bit. Thanks everyone 
... is a few blocks away from where I love, but hasn't logged on in a bit. Thanks everyone And where exactly do you "love"? |
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kainers
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by kainers on Jul 13, 2014 0:55:37 GMT 1, And where exactly do you "love"?
Ha, at my apartment, which is also where I live. 
And where exactly do you "love"?
Ha, at my apartment, which is also where I live.
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kainers
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by kainers on Jul 23, 2014 1:02:32 GMT 1,
Hello again to all,
I picked up the stuff from the framer today. I got home and just noticed the print is not actually level. One side is slightly lower, so I will be taking it back to get that fixed. Also, he showed me (and you can see on your own) the contact points that hold the print in place. Then it bows out a little until the next contact point. Is that normal?
Here are some pictures.
  
Hello again to all,
I picked up the stuff from the framer today. I got home and just noticed the print is not actually level. One side is slightly lower, so I will be taking it back to get that fixed. Also, he showed me (and you can see on your own) the contact points that hold the print in place. Then it bows out a little until the next contact point. Is that normal?
Here are some pictures.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by doctor on Jul 23, 2014 1:52:34 GMT 1, Find a new framer. Not being level is flat out incompetent work. It should not bow either. It might not be perfect in the end, but they can certainly do better.
Find a new framer. Not being level is flat out incompetent work. It should not bow either. It might not be perfect in the end, but they can certainly do better.
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kainers
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by kainers on Jul 23, 2014 5:00:34 GMT 1, Oh wow, I like those examples! Insane stuff. I am pretty sure they damaged my print a little also, when I first bought it there was a slightly bent corner, but now there is damage on the top as well. I don't know how you can send something off crooked. I didn't notice it when I first took it, but was able to see it within seconds of putting it down at home.
Oh wow, I like those examples! Insane stuff. I am pretty sure they damaged my print a little also, when I first bought it there was a slightly bent corner, but now there is damage on the top as well. I don't know how you can send something off crooked. I didn't notice it when I first took it, but was able to see it within seconds of putting it down at home.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by kainers on Jul 23, 2014 5:19:46 GMT 1,
These are the corners for the other thing I had done. Is this also shotty work, or is there usually a bit of difference to how they join together?
These are the corners for the other thing I had done. Is this also shotty work, or is there usually a bit of difference to how they join together?
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by iamzero on Jul 23, 2014 7:09:31 GMT 1, White is a difficult moulding to mitre as it shows every flaw but to be honest that's terrible. Take it back and find a new framer. I would've used more hinges on a piece of that size and weight, certainly a couple more than the three used across the top. It is not uncommon to see some movement in the paper depending on humidity and paper type.
White is a difficult moulding to mitre as it shows every flaw but to be honest that's terrible. Take it back and find a new framer. I would've used more hinges on a piece of that size and weight, certainly a couple more than the three used across the top. It is not uncommon to see some movement in the paper depending on humidity and paper type.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by kultur on Jul 23, 2014 7:29:02 GMT 1, Some mouldings are harder to join than others. This could be the chopping or the gluing or both (my guess is the gluing). If you are unhappy with the join bring it back.
People on here are so adverse to having anything touch the print - which is ridiculous as long as it is acid free and reversible. I always use linen tape and I always attach the center / middle of the piece to the backing when floating and usually in two points rather than just one in the center. Having seen pieces bow like mad over time in the center and stretching the paper has convinced me that is the way to go.
Some mouldings are harder to join than others. This could be the chopping or the gluing or both (my guess is the gluing). If you are unhappy with the join bring it back.
People on here are so adverse to having anything touch the print - which is ridiculous as long as it is acid free and reversible. I always use linen tape and I always attach the center / middle of the piece to the backing when floating and usually in two points rather than just one in the center. Having seen pieces bow like mad over time in the center and stretching the paper has convinced me that is the way to go.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 7:58:30 GMT 1, Gluing will prevent the joins opening up again but this has just been done so its either the blades are'nt kept sharp enough, the wood is poor quality or the blades arent aligned exactly 90ยฐ. Agree with kultur, a few extra hinges in the middle with larger works is fine to hold shape.
Gluing will prevent the joins opening up again but this has just been done so its either the blades are'nt kept sharp enough, the wood is poor quality or the blades arent aligned exactly 90ยฐ. Agree with kultur, a few extra hinges in the middle with larger works is fine to hold shape.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 23, 2014 8:08:03 GMT 1, I would get him to fix those corners up. I have noticed one of my prints (expensive frame) which for 3 years has been great now one of the corners looks like yours and being white its more noticeable. I presume mine has just expanded/contracted. I was thinking of using a little wall filler which is white?
I would get him to fix those corners up. I have noticed one of my prints (expensive frame) which for 3 years has been great now one of the corners looks like yours and being white its more noticeable. I presume mine has just expanded/contracted. I was thinking of using a little wall filler which is white?
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 8:26:14 GMT 1,
These are the corners for the other thing I had done. Is this also shotty work, or is there usually a bit of difference to how they join together?
id take it back mate all my frames line up ok
These are the corners for the other thing I had done. Is this also shotty work, or is there usually a bit of difference to how they join together?
Was that your framers last job on a Friday afternoon? id take it back mate all my frames line up ok |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by chads007 on Jul 23, 2014 10:29:27 GMT 1, As mentioned the different floating techniques.
Most of mine are floated on foam board which gives it the raised floated effect and keeps the piece still as if window mounted
Have a large piece floated with hinges which gives the paper natural wave and movement allowing it to 'breathe'..This is fine but requires sufficient hinging points depending on weight and size
For true conservation you need museum cotton board. Don't ask for 'acid free board'. Ikea frames even come with acid free now which will be poor, cheap materials.
Conservation should be reversible fully ...usually p 90 something that is easily removed.
Corners not joining or prints that are not straight or insufficiently hinged is poor all round
As mentioned the different floating techniques.
Most of mine are floated on foam board which gives it the raised floated effect and keeps the piece still as if window mounted
Have a large piece floated with hinges which gives the paper natural wave and movement allowing it to 'breathe'..This is fine but requires sufficient hinging points depending on weight and size
For true conservation you need museum cotton board. Don't ask for 'acid free board'. Ikea frames even come with acid free now which will be poor, cheap materials.
Conservation should be reversible fully ...usually p 90 something that is easily removed.
Corners not joining or prints that are not straight or insufficiently hinged is poor all round
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 15:59:53 GMT 1, The frame should look perfect, that's what you're paying for. Keep taking it back until it does; all corners should be completely aligned.
And I wouldn't use any framer who suggests that your print should touch the glass.
The frame should look perfect, that's what you're paying for. Keep taking it back until it does; all corners should be completely aligned.
And I wouldn't use any framer who suggests that your print should touch the glass.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by glutenberg on Oct 11, 2014 22:04:06 GMT 1, Hi all,
I got a float mounted print back today which isn't 100% straight. There is 0.5cm difference between the top left corner and top right corner to the frame.
You can definitely notice it and I'm amazed that a framer would actually give something back looking like that. I've used them a few times before and has been fine. Pretty disappointing.
Suffice to say I'll be returning it...... but my question is, can it actually be re-done if it's floated?! I have no idea what framers use to stick the print to mount?
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks
Hi all,
I got a float mounted print back today which isn't 100% straight. There is 0.5cm difference between the top left corner and top right corner to the frame.
You can definitely notice it and I'm amazed that a framer would actually give something back looking like that. I've used them a few times before and has been fine. Pretty disappointing.
Suffice to say I'll be returning it...... but my question is, can it actually be re-done if it's floated?! I have no idea what framers use to stick the print to mount?
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 22:07:11 GMT 1, Depends on how it has been floated. Japanese hinges with wheat paste no problem! Choose your framer carefully!
Depends on how it has been floated. Japanese hinges with wheat paste no problem! Choose your framer carefully!
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 5:57:47 GMT 1, Just take it back.
There are ten million reasons it could be out 5mm.
Its got nothing to do with what type of tapes been used.
Im sure they will They willl fix it in the time it takes you to go get a coffee
Just take it back.
There are ten million reasons it could be out 5mm.
Its got nothing to do with what type of tapes been used.
Im sure they will They willl fix it in the time it takes you to go get a coffee
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by iamzero on Oct 12, 2014 9:24:16 GMT 1, Just take it back. There are ten million reasons it could be out 5mm. Its got nothing to do with what type of tapes been used. Im sure they will They willl fix it in the time it takes you to go get a coffee
I don't think the point being made was that the tape had made the print 5mm out of square dude.
Agreed it should be easily fixed but it will depend on the tape used to fix the piece into place as to how much damage is caused. If they are water activated as in Hayaku or true wheat paste then that will be less damage than the Ph7-70 rubbish.
Just take it back. There are ten million reasons it could be out 5mm. Its got nothing to do with what type of tapes been used. Im sure they will They willl fix it in the time it takes you to go get a coffee I don't think the point being made was that the tape had made the print 5mm out of square dude. Agreed it should be easily fixed but it will depend on the tape used to fix the piece into place as to how much damage is caused. If they are water activated as in Hayaku or true wheat paste then that will be less damage than the Ph7-70 rubbish. |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by doctor on Oct 12, 2014 12:40:21 GMT 1, I can only imagine that if the guy is putting in the effort to use wheat paste to float pieces, he's putting in equal effort to make sure that the end result is straight.
I can only imagine that if the guy is putting in the effort to use wheat paste to float pieces, he's putting in equal effort to make sure that the end result is straight.
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by glutenberg on Oct 13, 2014 9:02:20 GMT 1, Thanks for the replies guys
Thanks for the replies guys
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by DB on Aug 21, 2016 23:29:49 GMT 1, Managed to grab a favourite last week and I'm now thinking framing options...
Does anyone have framing suggestions for the letterpress releases, I want to show off the deckled edge. Thinking of a matt black frame, black or grey backing with the print floated; 1inch spacing around the print.
I did a mock to try and help me visualise. I quite like the look of what I've knocked up but wanted to know what you guys have done with yours or what you would like to try.
Managed to grab a favourite last week and I'm now thinking framing options... Does anyone have framing suggestions for the letterpress releases, I want to show off the deckled edge. Thinking of a matt black frame, black or grey backing with the print floated; 1inch spacing around the print. I did a mock to try and help me visualise. I quite like the look of what I've knocked up but wanted to know what you guys have done with yours or what you would like to try. |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Slipped Crown on Aug 22, 2016 0:30:31 GMT 1, I like that, the dark mat allows the deckled edge to stand out
I like that, the dark mat allows the deckled edge to stand out
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by Iqra'a on Aug 22, 2016 7:13:20 GMT 1, Here is what I did with mine. I made sure the mat cut was slightly larger than the print itself to show the deckled edges. Upper matting is a similar cream color to the print with a black matting in the back, and the frame is a standard light brown wood.
I like your idea with the simple black on black. But I feel it kind of makes the print seem like an archived item that you see in a museum - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if you are going for that look and have a few extra bucks to spend, I would suggest looking into floating options. As in having the print slightly levitated off the matting in a shadow frame.
Hope this helps with your decision!
Here is what I did with mine. I made sure the mat cut was slightly larger than the print itself to show the deckled edges. Upper matting is a similar cream color to the print with a black matting in the back, and the frame is a standard light brown wood. I like your idea with the simple black on black. But I feel it kind of makes the print seem like an archived item that you see in a museum - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if you are going for that look and have a few extra bucks to spend, I would suggest looking into floating options. As in having the print slightly levitated off the matting in a shadow frame. Hope this helps with your decision! |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by robertjones on Aug 22, 2016 13:12:22 GMT 1, 
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by bentheartfan on Aug 23, 2016 14:01:45 GMT 1, Here is a cheap and simple frame job, I matched the mat colour to the print and mounted the print on top of the mat, in a deep black frame
Here is a cheap and simple frame job, I matched the mat colour to the print and mounted the print on top of the mat, in a deep black frame |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by bentheartfan on Aug 23, 2016 14:03:29 GMT 1, This looks great ! May have to borrow the concept for my next deckled edge print
This looks great ! May have to borrow the concept for my next deckled edge print |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by artepersfizio on Aug 23, 2016 15:08:52 GMT 1, This looks great ! May have to borrow the concept for my next deckled edge print
This looks great ! May have to borrow the concept for my next deckled edge print This does look great |
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Float Mounting โข Deckled Edge, by artepersfizio on Aug 23, 2016 15:09:12 GMT 1, You're all putting mine to shame...
You're all putting mine to shame...
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