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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 18:59:00 GMT 1, Well I really enjoyed my 2 years of having to beg , borrow and steal at 10 years old whilst my old man was out of work ! Yes it was his choice to strike but I wouldn't change it for a thing !! Unless you were involved in it which I was you don't really know the effect it had on coal mining communities that today are still ruined by the effect of this!!! No tears from me I'm afraid!!!!
Well I really enjoyed my 2 years of having to beg , borrow and steal at 10 years old whilst my old man was out of work ! Yes it was his choice to strike but I wouldn't change it for a thing !! Unless you were involved in it which I was you don't really know the effect it had on coal mining communities that today are still ruined by the effect of this!!! No tears from me I'm afraid!!!!
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Dr Plip on Apr 8, 2013 19:13:28 GMT 1, I thought the Jealous release was a joke? They aren't seriously going to attempt to make money out of death are they?
I thought the Jealous release was a joke? They aren't seriously going to attempt to make money out of death are they?
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by misnomer on Apr 8, 2013 19:28:36 GMT 1, I'm with Silky on this, very sad news. Lots of jibes on the internet, but anyone with an ounce of intelligence will realise what a great powerful woman, and leader, she was! RIP Maggie! Those of us who possess more than an ounce of intelligence know all too well she was none of the above.
indeed, let's see... she supported the chilean dictator Pinochet supported the Khmer Rouge (even to the extent of send SAS troops to train them) opposed sanctions on South Africa and described Mandella as a terrorist
and Cameron is describing her as "the greatest British peacetime prime minister"
I'm with Silky on this, very sad news. Lots of jibes on the internet, but anyone with an ounce of intelligence will realise what a great powerful woman, and leader, she was! RIP Maggie! Those of us who possess more than an ounce of intelligence know all too well she was none of the above. indeed, let's see... she supported the chilean dictator Pinochet supported the Khmer Rouge (even to the extent of send SAS troops to train them) opposed sanctions on South Africa and described Mandella as a terrorist and Cameron is describing her as "the greatest British peacetime prime minister"
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 19:40:56 GMT 1, Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other.....
Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other.....
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by letiss on Apr 8, 2013 19:41:10 GMT 1, Slighty disappointed at the Jealous release glorifying the death of an old lady, not like she was Robert Mugabi or anything. Not interested in voicing my opinions on her on an art forum but find it interesting that other do with such verocity at a person that refused to back down to the Argies and didn't piss about when it came to terrorism. Agree with this, it's an odd move from Jealous that is on the whole a classy operator. They appear to be releasing this as an in-house print as perhaps no artist wanted to put their name to it. I imagine the Iron Lady would've approved of capitalist galleries that sell originals for tens of thousands.
Slighty disappointed at the Jealous release glorifying the death of an old lady, not like she was Robert Mugabi or anything. Not interested in voicing my opinions on her on an art forum but find it interesting that other do with such verocity at a person that refused to back down to the Argies and didn't piss about when it came to terrorism. Agree with this, it's an odd move from Jealous that is on the whole a classy operator. They appear to be releasing this as an in-house print as perhaps no artist wanted to put their name to it. I imagine the Iron Lady would've approved of capitalist galleries that sell originals for tens of thousands.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by My Name is Frank on Apr 8, 2013 19:46:51 GMT 1, Interesting post misnomer. Raises good questions on when do freedom fighters turn into terrorists and when do terrorists turn into freedom fighters. All three men were both in their life times, I think that without knowing the horrific outcomes there were to come, many a union socialist would have supported the Khmer rouges agricultural revolution and I don't think many would argue a convicted terrorist would be be called a terrorist either, time blurs the arguments when the means are justified by the ends, or not.
Interesting post misnomer. Raises good questions on when do freedom fighters turn into terrorists and when do terrorists turn into freedom fighters. All three men were both in their life times, I think that without knowing the horrific outcomes there were to come, many a union socialist would have supported the Khmer rouges agricultural revolution and I don't think many would argue a convicted terrorist would be be called a terrorist either, time blurs the arguments when the means are justified by the ends, or not.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by iamzero on Apr 8, 2013 19:47:41 GMT 1, Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other.....
Another nail hit head. Perfect.
Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other..... Another nail hit head. Perfect.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by jonnyx on Apr 8, 2013 19:52:38 GMT 1, Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other..... Another nail hit head. Perfect. i'm sorry i'm a little confused by the sentiments here. perhaps it could be explained. are you saying that under a capitalist system socialists are to be denied the ownership and enjoyment of cultural artefacts? that seems nuts - a bit like louise mensch's idea that the occupy protestors had no validity because some of them drank coffee from starbucks.
Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other..... Another nail hit head. Perfect. i'm sorry i'm a little confused by the sentiments here. perhaps it could be explained. are you saying that under a capitalist system socialists are to be denied the ownership and enjoyment of cultural artefacts? that seems nuts - a bit like louise mensch's idea that the occupy protestors had no validity because some of them drank coffee from starbucks.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by love on Apr 8, 2013 19:53:59 GMT 1,
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by jonnyx on Apr 8, 2013 19:57:06 GMT 1, get orf moi land...
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 20:09:11 GMT 1, Jonnyx, you're obviously an educated contributor. I suppose that my point is that there's a direct synergy between occupy protester's 'authenticity' being compromised by them drinking Starbucks (if any of them did) and people slagging of the underlying principles of capitalism whilst buying prints for financial gain. There's a whiff of hypocrisy there if you sniff hard enough.
Bedroom tax and LHA..poor old Dot Cotton.
Jonnyx, you're obviously an educated contributor. I suppose that my point is that there's a direct synergy between occupy protester's 'authenticity' being compromised by them drinking Starbucks (if any of them did) and people slagging of the underlying principles of capitalism whilst buying prints for financial gain. There's a whiff of hypocrisy there if you sniff hard enough.
Bedroom tax and LHA..poor old Dot Cotton.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by pezlow on Apr 8, 2013 20:09:13 GMT 1, Owning art has nothing to do with liking or disliking thatcher. It's like the fatuous arguments that vegetarians receive who wear leather shoes.
Anyone who lived through the eighties and the way that thatcher decimated communities probably isn't shedding too many tears right now. Lets not forget that thatchers cabinet basically decided to leave Liverpool to rot (as recent cabinet papers revealed). I will never forget celebrating the day she deposed from office. Then again I do accept that if Michael Foot had got into power in 1983 it would have been a disaster for the country. Thatcher was able to win 3 elections because the Labour Party self destructed in the 80's (a bit like the Tories in the early noughties).
Owning art has nothing to do with liking or disliking thatcher. It's like the fatuous arguments that vegetarians receive who wear leather shoes.
Anyone who lived through the eighties and the way that thatcher decimated communities probably isn't shedding too many tears right now. Lets not forget that thatchers cabinet basically decided to leave Liverpool to rot (as recent cabinet papers revealed). I will never forget celebrating the day she deposed from office. Then again I do accept that if Michael Foot had got into power in 1983 it would have been a disaster for the country. Thatcher was able to win 3 elections because the Labour Party self destructed in the 80's (a bit like the Tories in the early noughties).
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by jonnyx on Apr 8, 2013 20:14:26 GMT 1, thanks for your reply veralynn, but if capitalism is the dominant system then we all work within it and are therefore entitled to benefit from it whatever our political credo. there's simply no opt out clause for the dominant ideology. also, what pezlow said.
thanks for your reply veralynn, but if capitalism is the dominant system then we all work within it and are therefore entitled to benefit from it whatever our political credo. there's simply no opt out clause for the dominant ideology. also, what pezlow said.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by iamzero on Apr 8, 2013 20:28:32 GMT 1, Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other..... Another nail hit head. Perfect.
Although I could be wrong of course and I apologise to all those art collectors on here with socialist ideologies that give the profit made from their art sales directly to charities and the welfare system.
Amuses me when the pocketbook socialists come out of the woodwork, slagging uber capitalist Thatcher on the one hand, admiring their urban art collection on the other..... Another nail hit head. Perfect. Although I could be wrong of course and I apologise to all those art collectors on here with socialist ideologies that give the profit made from their art sales directly to charities and the welfare system.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 20:46:28 GMT 1, Recall a programme years ago when this old guy slated Thatcher, big time. Then at the end he said something along the lines of 'but she had balls'. Not sure whether this is a required trait in a political figure.
Now that Blair chap, he was the best politician for years and I think had he been unmarried, sans Brown, not a solicitor first and a politician second with a guaranteed 10 year mandate then who knows? But with a four year gig the flesh is weak......
Recall a programme years ago when this old guy slated Thatcher, big time. Then at the end he said something along the lines of 'but she had balls'. Not sure whether this is a required trait in a political figure.
Now that Blair chap, he was the best politician for years and I think had he been unmarried, sans Brown, not a solicitor first and a politician second with a guaranteed 10 year mandate then who knows? But with a four year gig the flesh is weak......
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Coach on Apr 8, 2013 21:07:18 GMT 1, Another nail hit head. Perfect. Although I could be wrong of course and I apologise to all those art collectors on here with socialist ideologies that give the profit made from their art sales directly to charities and the welfare system.
It is quite possible to be left wing, to believe in fair social justice, without being a socialist. Likewise, it is possible to be middle class and believe in these things.
Another nail hit head. Perfect. Although I could be wrong of course and I apologise to all those art collectors on here with socialist ideologies that give the profit made from their art sales directly to charities and the welfare system. It is quite possible to be left wing, to believe in fair social justice, without being a socialist. Likewise, it is possible to be middle class and believe in these things.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by rottenredrooster on Apr 8, 2013 21:14:11 GMT 1, It's like Paddy's Day here in Derry, there are massive crowds assembling in the town centre with tricolours, banners and fireworks... and half the bars are doing a-pound-a-pint all night.
It's like Paddy's Day here in Derry, there are massive crowds assembling in the town centre with tricolours, banners and fireworks... and half the bars are doing a-pound-a-pint all night.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by freakinstyle on Apr 8, 2013 21:20:22 GMT 1, This happens often on forums when there is a lively discussion; assumptions about people.
I am neutral, I am not British so don't have all this emotion going on.
- I can't see where people that have replied negative towards Thatcher have sold art to gain profit by selling their art. It is likely there are some, but who can show the statistics on this. This argument only holds if it is a majority
- She won the election 3 times, so I agree, she must have done something right, because otherwise you won't be elected. But it is wrong to say that therefore the majority of the people wanted her. I believe you have a first past the post system in Britain, she won the seats, did she also won most voters? Do all voters represent 'the people'?
My view is that she has done a lot, negative or positive. What I can see, hear, read is that she changed a lot and that is quite an achievement. Where lots of work gets done, lots of mistakes are made too. Probably the reason for this strong love/hate image she has.
This happens often on forums when there is a lively discussion; assumptions about people.
I am neutral, I am not British so don't have all this emotion going on.
- I can't see where people that have replied negative towards Thatcher have sold art to gain profit by selling their art. It is likely there are some, but who can show the statistics on this. This argument only holds if it is a majority
- She won the election 3 times, so I agree, she must have done something right, because otherwise you won't be elected. But it is wrong to say that therefore the majority of the people wanted her. I believe you have a first past the post system in Britain, she won the seats, did she also won most voters? Do all voters represent 'the people'?
My view is that she has done a lot, negative or positive. What I can see, hear, read is that she changed a lot and that is quite an achievement. Where lots of work gets done, lots of mistakes are made too. Probably the reason for this strong love/hate image she has.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 21:21:52 GMT 1, Excellent article. Some words a few people on here might have difficulty understanding though.
Thought I'd be happier, and while I do rejoice, her legacy is deep-rooted and certainly evident in the mess we're in now.
Excellent article. Some words a few people on here might have difficulty understanding though. Thought I'd be happier, and while I do rejoice, her legacy is deep-rooted and certainly evident in the mess we're in now.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 21:26:07 GMT 1, Define 'the mess we're in now' Sean. I assume you mean the financial rather than the social mess in which case that's Gordon Brown's legacy, not Thatchers.
Define 'the mess we're in now' Sean. I assume you mean the financial rather than the social mess in which case that's Gordon Brown's legacy, not Thatchers.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by rottenredrooster on Apr 8, 2013 21:28:10 GMT 1, Define 'the mess we're in now' Sean. I assume you mean the financial rather than the social mess in which case that's Gordon Brown's legacy, not Thatchers. It's certainly not Browns legacy.
He's rejoiced in most other countries bar Britain.
Define 'the mess we're in now' Sean. I assume you mean the financial rather than the social mess in which case that's Gordon Brown's legacy, not Thatchers. It's certainly not Browns legacy. He's rejoiced in most other countries bar Britain.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by iamzero on Apr 8, 2013 21:31:45 GMT 1, Although I could be wrong of course and I apologise to all those art collectors on here with socialist ideologies that give the profit made from their art sales directly to charities and the welfare system. It is quite possible to be left wing, to believe in fair social justice, without being a socialist. Likewise, it is possible to be middle class and believe in these things.
I dare say dude, I just hate all the red flag waving over the death of someone.
Can't say I agree with everything she did but she didn't roll over when confronted and stopped the rot of the previous government. And for all the wrongs she did according to the Labour Party they did nothing to put them right and then went on to shaft the nurses, firemen and armed forces and created thousands of un justified jobs in middle management. I won't be drawn into nailing my colours to any wall on this board just pointing out the hypocrisy of the so called anti capitalist culture. I'm done.
Although I could be wrong of course and I apologise to all those art collectors on here with socialist ideologies that give the profit made from their art sales directly to charities and the welfare system. It is quite possible to be left wing, to believe in fair social justice, without being a socialist. Likewise, it is possible to be middle class and believe in these things. I dare say dude, I just hate all the red flag waving over the death of someone. Can't say I agree with everything she did but she didn't roll over when confronted and stopped the rot of the previous government. And for all the wrongs she did according to the Labour Party they did nothing to put them right and then went on to shaft the nurses, firemen and armed forces and created thousands of un justified jobs in middle management. I won't be drawn into nailing my colours to any wall on this board just pointing out the hypocrisy of the so called anti capitalist culture. I'm done.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 21:32:59 GMT 1, Nice try RRR, I'll let someone else rise to that bait.
Some lively discussion and a welcome distraction to moaning about missing releases and flipping.....I'm just off to watch Tramadol Nights now, Boyle for PM, not fussed whether it's Frankie or Susan.
Nice try RRR, I'll let someone else rise to that bait.
Some lively discussion and a welcome distraction to moaning about missing releases and flipping.....I'm just off to watch Tramadol Nights now, Boyle for PM, not fussed whether it's Frankie or Susan.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 21:33:37 GMT 1, Define 'the mess we're in now' Sean. I assume you mean the financial rather than the social mess in which case that's Gordon Brown's legacy, not Thatchers. How about the lack of council housing? Or do we blame immigration?
A lack of a manufacturing industry?
An economy run on credit?
And yes Brown's legacy is the financial mess, but the greed of the city and financial deregulation started with Thatcher.
Define 'the mess we're in now' Sean. I assume you mean the financial rather than the social mess in which case that's Gordon Brown's legacy, not Thatchers. How about the lack of council housing? Or do we blame immigration? A lack of a manufacturing industry? An economy run on credit? And yes Brown's legacy is the financial mess, but the greed of the city and financial deregulation started with Thatcher.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 21:35:54 GMT 1, "Let's privatise her funeral. Put it out to tender and accept the cheapest bid. It's what she would have wanted." Ken Loach
"Let's privatise her funeral. Put it out to tender and accept the cheapest bid. It's what she would have wanted." Ken Loach
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 21:40:18 GMT 1, Agree with you to a large extent but when your hand takes over on the tiller you do have the option of changing course.
Agree with you to a large extent but when your hand takes over on the tiller you do have the option of changing course.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by rottenredrooster on Apr 8, 2013 21:44:39 GMT 1, Right, I'm logging off for another few months.
Hopefully the evening over here in Doire, will finish with a bang literally.
Right, I'm logging off for another few months.
Hopefully the evening over here in Doire, will finish with a bang literally.
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Margaret Thatcher Art, by jonnyx on Apr 8, 2013 21:47:38 GMT 1, "she did but she didn't roll over when confronted and stopped the rot of the previous government."
now there is certainly a sense that the callaghan government was a disaster culminating in the so-called winter of discontent, but please have a slightly more sensible appreciation of the 'long-tail' of politics. the previous government that you speak of presided for one term only *after* the beginning of the slide into social and industrial problems that emerged through the heath government's tenure between 1970- 1975 (in which of course thatcher was a (rather unsuccessful) cabinet minister), namely power strikes and the three day working-week. so if you want to stand by your arguments you have to include her own government as well.
"she did but she didn't roll over when confronted and stopped the rot of the previous government."
now there is certainly a sense that the callaghan government was a disaster culminating in the so-called winter of discontent, but please have a slightly more sensible appreciation of the 'long-tail' of politics. the previous government that you speak of presided for one term only *after* the beginning of the slide into social and industrial problems that emerged through the heath government's tenure between 1970- 1975 (in which of course thatcher was a (rather unsuccessful) cabinet minister), namely power strikes and the three day working-week. so if you want to stand by your arguments you have to include her own government as well.
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