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Sandra Chevrier, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 22, 2013 11:52:33 GMT 1, Nuart / Martyn
Don't over concern yourself with my degree of empathy for women, I love and admire many women as they do me.
I'd be happy to read any texts in which Sandra describes her work.
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Don't over concern yourself with my degree of empathy for women, I love and admire many women as they do me.
I'd be happy to read any texts in which Sandra describes her work.
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Sandra Chevrier, by Shoot Again on Aug 22, 2013 12:03:59 GMT 1, Here you go : you need to speak quebecois though ! ;-)
Here you go : you need to speak quebecois though ! ;-)
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Sandra Chevrier, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 22, 2013 12:10:09 GMT 1, Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle.
Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle.
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Sandra Chevrier, by gilsteph on Aug 22, 2013 12:12:25 GMT 1, This is what Sandra wrote about the "cages" series (from her facebook account) :-
The series "cages" is about women trying to find freedom from the cages of society's twisted preconceptions of what a woman should or shouldn't be. These women encased in these cages of brash imposing paint that masks their very personhood symbolises the struggle that women go through with having these cages of this expectation of false beauty and perfection on them and of the limitations society places on them, corrupting what truly makes women beautiful by putting them in these prisons of identity. The way that the artist paints the soul that emanates from the subjects gaze creates an engaging story you can't pull yourself away from and you just get lost in it. She uses loose and heavy textures of paint that make the woman seem to be emerging from the surreal world within the canvas_ B. Pifer A dance between reality and imagination, truth and deception, cure and poison.
Its good to see debate about art on the forum, what it is or isn't and people are expressing their opinions.
Personally I don't see this as the struggle the description above describes. In fact I think a number of her works have a S&M feel to them. But I do like her work with comics/faces. I haven't seen it before and I like the fact she has used mainly very macho heros to portray young women. My 15 year old daughter absolutely loves them and she sees a lot of strength and confidence in Sandras work. Im sure Sandra will do very well.....whether she is around in a couple of years time will depend how she moves on from this body of work to the next but I will be keeping an eye on her.
This is what Sandra wrote about the "cages" series (from her facebook account) :-
The series "cages" is about women trying to find freedom from the cages of society's twisted preconceptions of what a woman should or shouldn't be. These women encased in these cages of brash imposing paint that masks their very personhood symbolises the struggle that women go through with having these cages of this expectation of false beauty and perfection on them and of the limitations society places on them, corrupting what truly makes women beautiful by putting them in these prisons of identity. The way that the artist paints the soul that emanates from the subjects gaze creates an engaging story you can't pull yourself away from and you just get lost in it. She uses loose and heavy textures of paint that make the woman seem to be emerging from the surreal world within the canvas_ B. Pifer A dance between reality and imagination, truth and deception, cure and poison.
Its good to see debate about art on the forum, what it is or isn't and people are expressing their opinions.
Personally I don't see this as the struggle the description above describes. In fact I think a number of her works have a S&M feel to them. But I do like her work with comics/faces. I haven't seen it before and I like the fact she has used mainly very macho heros to portray young women. My 15 year old daughter absolutely loves them and she sees a lot of strength and confidence in Sandras work. Im sure Sandra will do very well.....whether she is around in a couple of years time will depend how she moves on from this body of work to the next but I will be keeping an eye on her.
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Sandra Chevrier, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 22, 2013 12:23:45 GMT 1, Thanks gilsteph, I just find that whole "twisted perceptions" a bit tiresome. Yes we live in a very surface level society but we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction.
Thanks gilsteph, I just find that whole "twisted perceptions" a bit tiresome. Yes we live in a very surface level society but we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction.
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Sandra Chevrier, by gilsteph on Aug 22, 2013 12:35:05 GMT 1, .....we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction.
I agree but I do think (on the whole) men have more in-built confidence. A bit like the old joke about the difference between what a man and woman see when they look into a mirror. Anyway total generalisation....its always about the individual (or it should be!)
As an aside I doubt I would have bought one if it was a male face 
.....we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction. I agree but I do think (on the whole) men have more in-built confidence. A bit like the old joke about the difference between what a man and woman see when they look into a mirror. Anyway total generalisation....its always about the individual (or it should be!) As an aside I doubt I would have bought one if it was a male face |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Ottomatik on Aug 22, 2013 12:40:18 GMT 1, .....we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction. I agree but I do think (on the whole) men have more in-built confidence. A bit like the old joke about the difference between what a man and woman see when they look into a mirror. Anyway total generalisation....its always about the individual (or it should be!) As an aside I doubt I would have bought one if it was a male face
I'd buy a male face one and hang it in my hair salon.
.....we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction. I agree but I do think (on the whole) men have more in-built confidence. A bit like the old joke about the difference between what a man and woman see when they look into a mirror. Anyway total generalisation....its always about the individual (or it should be!) As an aside I doubt I would have bought one if it was a male face I'd buy a male face one and hang it in my hair salon. |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Collection 1 on Aug 22, 2013 12:44:50 GMT 1, Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle.
It's fine if you don't like what she's doing but it's a lack of respect saying that she looks intense as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle.Women could talk with ''intensity'' other subject than her body or sexuality but I forgot that this forum is really macho and since I'm on here all the women artists left the forum including Lora Zombie who if I remember well was an unknown artist.
So I would say good luck to Kelly Blevins and hope you will last longer than the others in the Urban Men Association.
Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle. Cocteau101:Sorry but your comment sounds really misogynist to me.I know Sandra really well because she's a friend of mine.It's also me who introduced Sandra's work on here because I thought some of the members would like her art.I know it's not urban or street art, she's an illustrator and a fine art artist!She's also a 30 years single mom painting 10h/day to make a living. It's fine if you don't like what she's doing but it's a lack of respect saying that she looks intense as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle.Women could talk with ''intensity'' other subject than her body or sexuality but I forgot that this forum is really macho and since I'm on here all the women artists left the forum including Lora Zombie who if I remember well was an unknown artist. So I would say good luck to Kelly Blevins and hope you will last longer than the others in the Urban Men Association. |
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Sandra Chevrier, by dotdot on Aug 22, 2013 12:54:33 GMT 1, joe can you sort out jp's mis-interpretation.. (if there was one or two..)
happens... we're all coming from different nations/values/sense of humours...
joe can you sort out jp's mis-interpretation.. (if there was one or two..)
happens... we're all coming from different nations/values/sense of humours...
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Sandra Chevrier, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 12:57:32 GMT 1, Thanks gilsteph, I just find that whole "twisted perceptions" a bit tiresome. Yes we live in a very surface level society but we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction.
The fact that a women chooses to highlight this in her work should be applauded. The fact you mention "menstrual cycles" because a female artist looks serious, lol... well, starting to feel sorry for your daughter mate.
What's up with you, on your period ?
Peace.
Thanks gilsteph, I just find that whole "twisted perceptions" a bit tiresome. Yes we live in a very surface level society but we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction. That's probably because it's only in the last 15 years or so that men have been actively targeted by insidious advertising designed to make them feel insecure about their appearance etc. Women are targeted day in day out by million dollar campaigns backed by billions of dollars of research over decades, run by some of the smartest psychology graduates and professionals in the world. They are directly responsible for generations of women feeling clinically insecure about who they are, who they should be, how they should act, what they should buy (women tend to run household budgets) and their position in a society. They are indirectly responsible for everything from depression to suicide. Your children are next. The fact that a women chooses to highlight this in her work should be applauded. The fact you mention "menstrual cycles" because a female artist looks serious, lol... well, starting to feel sorry for your daughter mate. What's up with you, on your period ? Peace. |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 12:58:51 GMT 1, Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle.
Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle. Thought you were beyond "trolling" Cocteau, misjudged you obviously. |
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Sandra Chevrier, by natstan on Aug 22, 2013 14:05:02 GMT 1, Actually I also thought of whether she will venture off track and start painting portriats of men as a new series, and how she will intepret her thoughts to the audience from the viewpoint of a woman. Will it still be the use of comics as a means to bring across her message? I'm looking forward to that if it ever happens.
And I do agree with you, she looks really intense in the video, ha!
Thanks gilsteph, I just find that whole "twisted perceptions" a bit tiresome. Yes we live in a very surface level society but we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction.
Actually I also thought of whether she will venture off track and start painting portriats of men as a new series, and how she will intepret her thoughts to the audience from the viewpoint of a woman. Will it still be the use of comics as a means to bring across her message? I'm looking forward to that if it ever happens. And I do agree with you, she looks really intense in the video, ha! Thanks gilsteph, I just find that whole "twisted perceptions" a bit tiresome. Yes we live in a very surface level society but we should be encouraging young girls (I myself have a daughter of 15) to be themselves, to educate themselves widely, to find an inner character that they are comfortable with and so on. This may take years and is equally applicable to men as women. It would be interesting to see the reaction if these were male faces, somehow I think the aesthetic might not get the same reaction. |
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Sandra Chevrier, by peggy on Aug 22, 2013 14:23:11 GMT 1, That's probably because it's only in the last 15 years or so that men have been actively targeted by insidious advertising designed to make them feel insecure about their appearance etc. Women are targeted day in day out by million dollar campaigns backed by billions of dollars of research over decades, run by some of the smartest psychology graduates and professionals in the world. They are directly responsible for generations of women feeling clinically insecure about who they are, who they should be, how they should act, what they should buy (women tend to run household budgets) and their position in a society.]
REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE.
WHILST PEGGY IS AWARE OF THE HYPNOTIC POWER OF ADVERTISING, SHE WAS EQUALLY UNAWARE OF WOMEN BEING FORCED INTO SHOPS TO BUY THESE PRODUCTS AND ACCEPT WHAT THEY HEAR OR READ.
YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WOMEN AS COMPLIANT SHEEP WITH NO ABILITY TO MAKE AN INDEPENDENT JUDGEMENT. PEGGY WAS BROUGHT UP IN A HOUSEHOLD OF STRONGMINDED INTELLIGENT WOMEN WHO ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN HOW THEY WERE TOLD TO LOOK AND ACT, AND HOW THEY WANTED TO ACT. THIS VIEW NEGATES ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM WOMEN, IS OVERLY SIMPLISTIC AND FAILS TO CHALLENGE THE PROSPECT OF MANY WOMEN WANTING TO CONFORM TO THE VERY VIEWS YOU SAY ARE RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT.
QUITE SIMPLY YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHOICE.
PEGGY GETS THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE IN YOUR DEFENSE OF HER ART DUE TO YOU SHOWING IT, A MORE BALANCED APPRAISAL OF IT'S MEANING WOULD MAKE SENSE. IF YOU ARE SO ENRAGED BY SOCITIES ABUSE OF WOMEN VIA ADVERTISING DONATE ANY PROFITS FROM SELLING HER WORK TO A WOMEN'S RELATED CHARITY
That's probably because it's only in the last 15 years or so that men have been actively targeted by insidious advertising designed to make them feel insecure about their appearance etc. Women are targeted day in day out by million dollar campaigns backed by billions of dollars of research over decades, run by some of the smartest psychology graduates and professionals in the world. They are directly responsible for generations of women feeling clinically insecure about who they are, who they should be, how they should act, what they should buy (women tend to run household budgets) and their position in a society.] REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE. WHILST PEGGY IS AWARE OF THE HYPNOTIC POWER OF ADVERTISING, SHE WAS EQUALLY UNAWARE OF WOMEN BEING FORCED INTO SHOPS TO BUY THESE PRODUCTS AND ACCEPT WHAT THEY HEAR OR READ. YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WOMEN AS COMPLIANT SHEEP WITH NO ABILITY TO MAKE AN INDEPENDENT JUDGEMENT. PEGGY WAS BROUGHT UP IN A HOUSEHOLD OF STRONGMINDED INTELLIGENT WOMEN WHO ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN HOW THEY WERE TOLD TO LOOK AND ACT, AND HOW THEY WANTED TO ACT. THIS VIEW NEGATES ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM WOMEN, IS OVERLY SIMPLISTIC AND FAILS TO CHALLENGE THE PROSPECT OF MANY WOMEN WANTING TO CONFORM TO THE VERY VIEWS YOU SAY ARE RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT. QUITE SIMPLY YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHOICE. PEGGY GETS THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE IN YOUR DEFENSE OF HER ART DUE TO YOU SHOWING IT, A MORE BALANCED APPRAISAL OF IT'S MEANING WOULD MAKE SENSE. IF YOU ARE SO ENRAGED BY SOCITIES ABUSE OF WOMEN VIA ADVERTISING DONATE ANY PROFITS FROM SELLING HER WORK TO A WOMEN'S RELATED CHARITY |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Shoot Again on Aug 22, 2013 14:32:10 GMT 1, Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-)
Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-)
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Sandra Chevrier, by natstan on Aug 22, 2013 14:40:57 GMT 1, It's to make sure peggy gets heard, haha!Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-)
It's to make sure peggy gets heard, haha! Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-) |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 14:41:22 GMT 1, Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-)
Yeah I agree it's QUITE ANNOYING WHEN PEOPLE KEEP WRITING IN CAPITALS !
Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-) Yeah I agree it's QUITE ANNOYING WHEN PEOPLE KEEP WRITING IN CAPITALS ! |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 14:44:39 GMT 1, Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-) Yeah I agree it's QUITE ANNOYING WHEN PEOPLE KEEP WRITING IN CAPITALS !
Can Peggy stop writting in capital letters please ! Thanks ;-) Yeah I agree it's QUITE ANNOYING WHEN PEOPLE KEEP WRITING IN CAPITALS ! IS IT? IS IT REALLY? IS IT REALLY REALLY? IS IT REALLY REALLY REALLY? |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 15:28:46 GMT 1, That's probably because it's only in the last 15 years or so that men have been actively targeted by insidious advertising designed to make them feel insecure about their appearance etc. Women are targeted day in day out by million dollar campaigns backed by billions of dollars of research over decades, run by some of the smartest psychology graduates and professionals in the world. They are directly responsible for generations of women feeling clinically insecure about who they are, who they should be, how they should act, what they should buy (women tend to run household budgets) and their position in a society.] REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE. WHILST PEGGY IS AWARE OF THE HYPNOTIC POWER OF ADVERTISING, SHE WAS EQUALLY UNAWARE OF WOMEN BEING FORCED INTO SHOPS TO BUY THESE PRODUCTS AND ACCEPT WHAT THEY HEAR OR READ. YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WOMEN AS COMPLIANT SHEEP WITH NO ABILITY TO MAKE AN INDEPENDENT JUDGEMENT. PEGGY WAS BROUGHT UP IN A HOUSEHOLD OF STRONGMINDED INTELLIGENT WOMEN WHO ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN HOW THEY WERE TOLD TO LOOK AND ACT, AND HOW THEY WANTED TO ACT. THIS VIEW NEGATES ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM WOMEN, IS OVERLY SIMPLISTIC AND FAILS TO CHALLENGE THE PROSPECT OF MANY WOMEN WANTING TO CONFORM TO THE VERY VIEWS YOU SAY ARE RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT. QUITE SIMPLY YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHOICE. PEGGY GETS THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE IN YOUR DEFENSE OF HER ART DUE TO YOU SHOWING IT, A MORE BALANCED APPRAISAL OF IT'S MEANING WOULD MAKE SENSE. IF YOU ARE SO ENRAGED BY SOCITIES ABUSE OF WOMEN VIA ADVERTISING DONATE ANY PROFITS FROM SELLING HER WORK TO A WOMEN'S RELATED CHARITY
"That's one of advertisements most brilliant accomplishments," says Bernard McGrane, sociologist and a former professor of Boihem's, "to get us to believe that we're not affected by it." According to Sut Jhally, sociologist and founder of The Media Education Foundation, "the most powerful propaganda system is that which doesn't allow itself to be recognized as propaganda. It appears to be the way the world is - it appears naturalized."
That's probably because it's only in the last 15 years or so that men have been actively targeted by insidious advertising designed to make them feel insecure about their appearance etc. Women are targeted day in day out by million dollar campaigns backed by billions of dollars of research over decades, run by some of the smartest psychology graduates and professionals in the world. They are directly responsible for generations of women feeling clinically insecure about who they are, who they should be, how they should act, what they should buy (women tend to run household budgets) and their position in a society.] REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE. WHILST PEGGY IS AWARE OF THE HYPNOTIC POWER OF ADVERTISING, SHE WAS EQUALLY UNAWARE OF WOMEN BEING FORCED INTO SHOPS TO BUY THESE PRODUCTS AND ACCEPT WHAT THEY HEAR OR READ. YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WOMEN AS COMPLIANT SHEEP WITH NO ABILITY TO MAKE AN INDEPENDENT JUDGEMENT. PEGGY WAS BROUGHT UP IN A HOUSEHOLD OF STRONGMINDED INTELLIGENT WOMEN WHO ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN HOW THEY WERE TOLD TO LOOK AND ACT, AND HOW THEY WANTED TO ACT. THIS VIEW NEGATES ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM WOMEN, IS OVERLY SIMPLISTIC AND FAILS TO CHALLENGE THE PROSPECT OF MANY WOMEN WANTING TO CONFORM TO THE VERY VIEWS YOU SAY ARE RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT. QUITE SIMPLY YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHOICE. PEGGY GETS THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE IN YOUR DEFENSE OF HER ART DUE TO YOU SHOWING IT, A MORE BALANCED APPRAISAL OF IT'S MEANING WOULD MAKE SENSE. IF YOU ARE SO ENRAGED BY SOCITIES ABUSE OF WOMEN VIA ADVERTISING DONATE ANY PROFITS FROM SELLING HER WORK TO A WOMEN'S RELATED CHARITY Oh, it's too late for you Peggy Sue. "That's one of advertisements most brilliant accomplishments," says Bernard McGrane, sociologist and a former professor of Boihem's, "to get us to believe that we're not affected by it." According to Sut Jhally, sociologist and founder of The Media Education Foundation, "the most powerful propaganda system is that which doesn't allow itself to be recognized as propaganda. It appears to be the way the world is - it appears naturalized."
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Sandra Chevrier, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 22, 2013 15:31:10 GMT 1, joe can you sort out jp's mis-interpretation.. (if there was one or two..) happens... we're all coming from different nations/values/sense of humours...
Yes it was meant with humour but never mind. Look good luck to her, I just thinks it's a bit lightweight and not for me and I started to see a bit of bandwaggoneering going on in the anticipation of price rises.
joe can you sort out jp's mis-interpretation.. (if there was one or two..) happens... we're all coming from different nations/values/sense of humours... Yes it was meant with humour but never mind. Look good luck to her, I just thinks it's a bit lightweight and not for me and I started to see a bit of bandwaggoneering going on in the anticipation of price rises. |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 22, 2013 15:34:08 GMT 1, The fact you mention "menstrual cycles" because a female artist looks serious, lol... well, starting to feel sorry for your daughter mate. What's up with you, on your period ? Peace.
You don't have to feel sorry for my daughter, she is well cared for, loved, intelligent and healthy but glad you are concerned for her.
The fact you mention "menstrual cycles" because a female artist looks serious, lol... well, starting to feel sorry for your daughter mate. What's up with you, on your period ? Peace. You don't have to feel sorry for my daughter, she is well cared for, loved, intelligent and healthy but glad you are concerned for her. |
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Sandra Chevrier, by freakinstyle on Aug 22, 2013 15:38:23 GMT 1, I am dyslectic, yeah really, and reading in those capitals is SH*T! So I haven't read anything of it.
On topic: can I just say that it isn't easy to spread a message in art while at the same time create something that looks cool. Some of her work I like, some I don't. Just glad that here statement isn't the b*llsh*t I sometimes read of some of the 'conceptual artists'. But do think that it becomes more of a search halfway her statement. Anyway, interesting artist to be featured here!
I am dyslectic, yeah really, and reading in those capitals is SH*T! So I haven't read anything of it.
On topic: can I just say that it isn't easy to spread a message in art while at the same time create something that looks cool. Some of her work I like, some I don't. Just glad that here statement isn't the b*llsh*t I sometimes read of some of the 'conceptual artists'. But do think that it becomes more of a search halfway her statement. Anyway, interesting artist to be featured here!
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Sandra Chevrier, by nrgball on Aug 22, 2013 15:38:34 GMT 1, It's funny, I received this preview and enjoyed the work and passed on it initially. It's certainly grown on me and I can appreciate it much more having read up. I decided on a print to start. I like her attitude and style.
On another note, having a young daughter has often left me contemplating many of these issues and how to educate her so that she may climb over them with ease and intelligence. I appreciate the artists intention and message.
Great thread as well. Nice to see some conversation with content!!
It's funny, I received this preview and enjoyed the work and passed on it initially. It's certainly grown on me and I can appreciate it much more having read up. I decided on a print to start. I like her attitude and style.
On another note, having a young daughter has often left me contemplating many of these issues and how to educate her so that she may climb over them with ease and intelligence. I appreciate the artists intention and message.
Great thread as well. Nice to see some conversation with content!!
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Sandra Chevrier, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 22, 2013 16:05:06 GMT 1, Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle. Thought you were beyond "trolling" Cocteau, misjudged you obviously.
"I am beyond trolling but not beyond humour" - Oscar Wilde
Sorry as well as lacking empathy for women I can't speak Quebecois. She looks quite intense and earnest though as if she's discussing the menstrual cycle. Thought you were beyond "trolling" Cocteau, misjudged you obviously. "I am beyond trolling but not beyond humour" - Oscar Wilde |
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Sandra Chevrier, by dotdot on Aug 22, 2013 16:17:44 GMT 1, still it's an interesting thread...
Sandra's obvously a complex character - not alas in the same vein as Candice.
I get on with Candice, her sense of humour is so dark it's funny (at times) bordering on... art noire.
Sandra ? uch well good luck to her - at least she didn't sign up and lose the plot like someone did over the road a few months back .. which was not entertaining. (if that doesn't make sense to you .. have another read and chuck in "register" , "artchival" and "wax lyrical" into the mix then re-run the "program" .. )
still it's an interesting thread... Sandra's obvously a complex character - not alas in the same vein as Candice. I get on with Candice, her sense of humour is so dark it's funny (at times) bordering on... art noire. Sandra ? uch well good luck to her - at least she didn't sign up and lose the plot like someone did over the road a few months back .. which was not entertaining. (if that doesn't make sense to you .. have another read and chuck in "register" , "artchival" and "wax lyrical" into the mix then re-run the "program" .. ) |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 16:27:31 GMT 1, Thought you were beyond "trolling" Cocteau, misjudged you obviously. "I am beyond trolling but not beyond humour" - Oscar Wilde
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Thought you were beyond "trolling" Cocteau, misjudged you obviously. "I am beyond trolling but not beyond humour" - Oscar Wilde There's nothing funny about a period. (joke) |
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Sandra Chevrier, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 22, 2013 16:30:18 GMT 1, One additional thought from me, I bet that heroic young girl from Pakistan who got shot in the head by the Taliban would feel empowered with one of these on her walls.
One additional thought from me, I bet that heroic young girl from Pakistan who got shot in the head by the Taliban would feel empowered with one of these on her walls.
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Sandra Chevrier, by natstan on Aug 22, 2013 16:33:20 GMT 1, Peggy, all of us will be able to tell in time to come whether sandra is just a hype or not. It's quite uncalled for for you to make assumptions that whoever praises or comes to the defence of an artist's works is automatically doing it with a hidden agenda.
This thread started with the simple purpose (ironically by cocteau) of finding out if he is missing out something with sandra's works, though he personally find them 'nice aesthetically'' at first. That is until he suddenly turned the table by saying the paintings are boring after nuart and I started explaining the reasons her works interest us apart from being pretty images. Truth is we believe in this artist's concepts. There is really no point in trying to convince others otherwise with your harsh declarations. In capitals no less...
quote author="@martedanielsen" source="/post/1092642/thread" timestamp="1377181726"]REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE. WHILST PEGGY IS AWARE OF THE HYPNOTIC POWER OF ADVERTISING, SHE WAS EQUALLY UNAWARE OF WOMEN BEING FORCED INTO SHOPS TO BUY THESE PRODUCTS AND ACCEPT WHAT THEY HEAR OR READ. YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WOMEN AS COMPLIANT SHEEP WITH NO ABILITY TO MAKE AN INDEPENDENT JUDGEMENT. PEGGY WAS BROUGHT UP IN A HOUSEHOLD OF STRONGMINDED INTELLIGENT WOMEN WHO ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN HOW THEY WERE TOLD TO LOOK AND ACT, AND HOW THEY WANTED TO ACT. THIS VIEW NEGATES ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM WOMEN, IS OVERLY SIMPLISTIC AND FAILS TO CHALLENGE THE PROSPECT OF MANY WOMEN WANTING TO CONFORM TO THE VERY VIEWS YOU SAY ARE RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT. QUITE SIMPLY YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHOICE. PEGGY GETS THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE IN YOUR DEFENSE OF HER ART DUE TO YOU SHOWING IT, A MORE BALANCED APPRAISAL OF IT'S MEANING WOULD MAKE SENSE. IF YOU ARE SO ENRAGED BY SOCITIES ABUSE OF WOMEN VIA ADVERTISING DONATE ANY PROFITS FROM SELLING HER WORK TO A WOMEN'S RELATED CHARITY
"That's one of advertisements most brilliant accomplishments," says Bernard McGrane, sociologist and a former professor of Boihem's, "to get us to believe that we're not affected by it." According to Sut Jhally, sociologist and founder of The Media Education Foundation, "the most powerful propaganda system is that which doesn't allow itself to be recognized as propaganda. It appears to be the way the world is - it appears naturalized."
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Peggy, all of us will be able to tell in time to come whether sandra is just a hype or not. It's quite uncalled for for you to make assumptions that whoever praises or comes to the defence of an artist's works is automatically doing it with a hidden agenda. This thread started with the simple purpose (ironically by cocteau) of finding out if he is missing out something with sandra's works, though he personally find them 'nice aesthetically'' at first. That is until he suddenly turned the table by saying the paintings are boring after nuart and I started explaining the reasons her works interest us apart from being pretty images. Truth is we believe in this artist's concepts. There is really no point in trying to convince others otherwise with your harsh declarations. In capitals no less... quote author="@martedanielsen" source="/post/1092642/thread" timestamp="1377181726"] REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE REDUCTIVE. WHILST PEGGY IS AWARE OF THE HYPNOTIC POWER OF ADVERTISING, SHE WAS EQUALLY UNAWARE OF WOMEN BEING FORCED INTO SHOPS TO BUY THESE PRODUCTS AND ACCEPT WHAT THEY HEAR OR READ. YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WOMEN AS COMPLIANT SHEEP WITH NO ABILITY TO MAKE AN INDEPENDENT JUDGEMENT. PEGGY WAS BROUGHT UP IN A HOUSEHOLD OF STRONGMINDED INTELLIGENT WOMEN WHO ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN HOW THEY WERE TOLD TO LOOK AND ACT, AND HOW THEY WANTED TO ACT. THIS VIEW NEGATES ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM WOMEN, IS OVERLY SIMPLISTIC AND FAILS TO CHALLENGE THE PROSPECT OF MANY WOMEN WANTING TO CONFORM TO THE VERY VIEWS YOU SAY ARE RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT. QUITE SIMPLY YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHOICE. PEGGY GETS THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE IN YOUR DEFENSE OF HER ART DUE TO YOU SHOWING IT, A MORE BALANCED APPRAISAL OF IT'S MEANING WOULD MAKE SENSE. IF YOU ARE SO ENRAGED BY SOCITIES ABUSE OF WOMEN VIA ADVERTISING DONATE ANY PROFITS FROM SELLING HER WORK TO A WOMEN'S RELATED CHARITY Oh, it's too late for you Peggy Sue. "That's one of advertisements most brilliant accomplishments," says Bernard McGrane, sociologist and a former professor of Boihem's, "to get us to believe that we're not affected by it." According to Sut Jhally, sociologist and founder of The Media Education Foundation, "the most powerful propaganda system is that which doesn't allow itself to be recognized as propaganda. It appears to be the way the world is - it appears naturalized."
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Sandra Chevrier, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 16:40:52 GMT 1, All fair and well, however if a person finds her work dull or boring then thats that and its each individual to their own opinion, she may be the deepest soul in the galaxy but if she throws out what to some is run of the mill work then her agenda isnt going to change that opinion is it?.
I find it pretty but just so so myself.
All fair and well, however if a person finds her work dull or boring then thats that and its each individual to their own opinion, she may be the deepest soul in the galaxy but if she throws out what to some is run of the mill work then her agenda isnt going to change that opinion is it?.
I find it pretty but just so so myself.
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Sandra Chevrier, by natstan on Aug 22, 2013 16:43:42 GMT 1, And I'm actually quite keen to know how a painting can be both 'nice aesthetically' yet 'boring' at the same time coming from the same person! How do they add up??!
And I'm actually quite keen to know how a painting can be both 'nice aesthetically' yet 'boring' at the same time coming from the same person! How do they add up??!
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Sandra Chevrier, by Dr Plip on Aug 22, 2013 16:45:27 GMT 1,
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