floubi
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by floubi on Nov 9, 2013 23:58:20 GMT 1, Yeah I guess it makes sense that the whole thing would be fake. what would the price difference be for one without a bag versus the time and cost of faking the bag. I would never buy one without the sealed bag.... I always treated the bag as some sort of COA. Without the bag the kit is presumably fake. So price difference is about 500GBP ?
If you open the kit but keep the package (even with a hole of cigarette), price is a little lower but still high. The empty bag will still be your COA
Yeah I guess it makes sense that the whole thing would be fake. what would the price difference be for one without a bag versus the time and cost of faking the bag. I would never buy one without the sealed bag.... I always treated the bag as some sort of COA. Without the bag the kit is presumably fake. So price difference is about 500GBP ? If you open the kit but keep the package (even with a hole of cigarette), price is a little lower but still high. The empty bag will still be your COA |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:00:59 GMT 1, I would never buy one without the sealed bag.... I always treated the bag as some sort of COA. Without the bag the kit is presumably fake. So price difference is about 500GBP ? If you open the kit but keep the package (even with a hole of cigarette), price is a little lower but still high. The empty bag will still be your COA
I would never buy one without the sealed bag.... I always treated the bag as some sort of COA. Without the bag the kit is presumably fake. So price difference is about 500GBP ? If you open the kit but keep the package (even with a hole of cigarette), price is a little lower but still high. The empty bag will still be your COA True, but the kit would be easy to fake with some tiles. I (personally) would never buy an opened kit. Also Orbi told me that when the kit has been opened there is no way of telling if the kit itself is real. |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by floubi on Nov 10, 2013 0:05:06 GMT 1, If you open the kit but keep the package (even with a hole of cigarette), price is a little lower but still high. The empty bag will still be your COA True, but the kit would be easy to fake with some tiles. I (personally) would never buy an opened kit. Also Orbi told me that when the kit has been opened there is no way of telling if the kit itself is real.
Conclusion is that it's better to buy a real empty package than a kit....
If you open the kit but keep the package (even with a hole of cigarette), price is a little lower but still high. The empty bag will still be your COA True, but the kit would be easy to fake with some tiles. I (personally) would never buy an opened kit. Also Orbi told me that when the kit has been opened there is no way of telling if the kit itself is real. Conclusion is that it's better to buy a real empty package than a kit.... |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:07:03 GMT 1, True, but the kit would be easy to fake with some tiles. I (personally) would never buy an opened kit. Also Orbi told me that when the kit has been opened there is no way of telling if the kit itself is real. Conclusion is that it's better to buy a real empty package than a kit....
True, but the kit would be easy to fake with some tiles. I (personally) would never buy an opened kit. Also Orbi told me that when the kit has been opened there is no way of telling if the kit itself is real. Conclusion is that it's better to buy a real empty package than a kit.... Conclusion is that it is better to buy a nice real sealed invader kit and enjoy it on the wall. And charge people who try messing with art and faking it with the intention to scam people.... |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by curiousgeorge on Nov 10, 2013 0:13:35 GMT 1, Sucks to hear Json But gotta acknowledge you for handeling everything so proper. Its clear you tried to make everything right to the best of your ability. Thumbs up! Cheers mate, i never meant to harm people so i hope i sorted it out with everybody. But Justdave should get all the credits. He was the one who spotted the fake and he was very relaxed while all of this was happening. He was more worried about that there would be more fakes around with fellow collectors...
Both a credit to the forum/community!
Good luck with the future family
Sucks to hear Json But gotta acknowledge you for handeling everything so proper. Its clear you tried to make everything right to the best of your ability. Thumbs up! Cheers mate, i never meant to harm people so i hope i sorted it out with everybody. But Justdave should get all the credits. He was the one who spotted the fake and he was very relaxed while all of this was happening. He was more worried about that there would be more fakes around with fellow collectors... Both a credit to the forum/community! Good luck with the future family |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by floubi on Nov 10, 2013 0:14:24 GMT 1, Conclusion is that it's better to buy a real empty package than a kit.... Conclusion is that it is better to buy a nice real sealed invader kit and enjoy it on the wall. And charge people who try messing with art and faking it with the intention to scam people....
I really hope he'll get charged... But as prices are getting higher, it brings more fake ones...
Conclusion is that it's better to buy a real empty package than a kit.... Conclusion is that it is better to buy a nice real sealed invader kit and enjoy it on the wall. And charge people who try messing with art and faking it with the intention to scam people.... I really hope he'll get charged... But as prices are getting higher, it brings more fake ones... |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:15:21 GMT 1, Cheers mate, i never meant to harm people so i hope i sorted it out with everybody. But Justdave should get all the credits. He was the one who spotted the fake and he was very relaxed while all of this was happening. He was more worried about that there would be more fakes around with fellow collectors... Both a credit to the forum/community! Good luck with the future family
Cheers mate, i never meant to harm people so i hope i sorted it out with everybody. But Justdave should get all the credits. He was the one who spotted the fake and he was very relaxed while all of this was happening. He was more worried about that there would be more fakes around with fellow collectors... Both a credit to the forum/community! Good luck with the future family Cheers mate! |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by howies on Nov 10, 2013 0:15:54 GMT 1, Ooops i threw my bag away years ago when I had it framed, I don't intend on selling but surely it crazy talk that now mine is considered a fake, COA should have been issued and the tiles signed IMHO and no silly bag to guarantee being legit, where they can never be displayed properly.
Ooops i threw my bag away years ago when I had it framed, I don't intend on selling but surely it crazy talk that now mine is considered a fake, COA should have been issued and the tiles signed IMHO and no silly bag to guarantee being legit, where they can never be displayed properly. |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:18:50 GMT 1, Perhaps it would be possible to register kits when they are sold/bought with Orbi. But at this time i did not had the chance to talk to him about it. I am occupied with other 'stuff' and he is occupied with invaders phone and all 
Some cracking pieces howies !!!
Perhaps it would be possible to register kits when they are sold/bought with Orbi. But at this time i did not had the chance to talk to him about it. I am occupied with other 'stuff' and he is occupied with invaders phone and all Some cracking pieces howies !!! |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by kbfrombk on Nov 10, 2013 0:19:17 GMT 1, yes correct. while we're concerned with the issue of bags and tiles, it should be mentioned that i (and assuredly all of us!) are very happy to hear about your expanding family!!
lol
yes correct. while we're concerned with the issue of bags and tiles, it should be mentioned that i (and assuredly all of us!) are very happy to hear about your expanding family!!
lol
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by kbfrombk on Nov 10, 2013 0:20:25 GMT 1, howies wowies those are very classy in the blue sBox
howies wowies those are very classy in the blue sBox
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by 2badmice on Nov 10, 2013 0:21:50 GMT 1,
This story is where collecting becomes and end in itself and not an enjoyment of the art itself.
I bought my Invaders to open and stick to a wall….isn't that what you are supposed to do with them?
This story is where collecting becomes and end in itself and not an enjoyment of the art itself.
I bought my Invaders to open and stick to a wall….isn't that what you are supposed to do with them?
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:22:52 GMT 1, yes correct. while we're concerned with the issue of bags and tiles, it should be mentioned that i (and assuredly all of us!) are very happy to hear about your expanding family!! lol
But just to give you guys and girls a heads up on the fake kits i thought it was fair to mention it here.
On a side note; i received a couple of PM's with people who are anxious about their kits and seems like we have bought from the same seller. So i do think there are more fake kits out there.... 
yes correct. while we're concerned with the issue of bags and tiles, it should be mentioned that i (and assuredly all of us!) are very happy to hear about your expanding family!! lol Haha LOL... That's what i thought when all of this was going on.. First i was really angry, than a little sad but then i realized there are way more imported stuff going on. But just to give you guys and girls a heads up on the fake kits i thought it was fair to mention it here. On a side note; i received a couple of PM's with people who are anxious about their kits and seems like we have bought from the same seller. So i do think there are more fake kits out there.... |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Dungle on Nov 10, 2013 0:26:27 GMT 1, This story is where collecting becomes and end in itself and not an enjoyment of the art itself. I bought my Invaders to open and stick to a wall….isn't that what you are supposed to do with them?
This story is where collecting becomes and end in itself and not an enjoyment of the art itself. I bought my Invaders to open and stick to a wall….isn't that what you are supposed to do with them? Agreed, but you may have to sell at some point due to unforeseen circumstances. You want to protect your investment, a lot of art is not cheap after all! |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by 2badmice on Nov 10, 2013 0:26:45 GMT 1, Oh also, Invader never gave any kind of certificate, nor do I have any email confirmations of purchase. Keeping it in the bag is like keeping prints in the original tube it was sent in and never taking them out, this bag business is taking collecting too far! Enjoy the stuff, sometimes money seems to be the only reason for collecting and that is wrong.
Oh also, Invader never gave any kind of certificate, nor do I have any email confirmations of purchase. Keeping it in the bag is like keeping prints in the original tube it was sent in and never taking them out, this bag business is taking collecting too far! Enjoy the stuff, sometimes money seems to be the only reason for collecting and that is wrong.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by 2badmice on Nov 10, 2013 0:29:40 GMT 1, I never bought Invaders as an investment. The only time I have ever bought for investment purposes I have lost money so I don't bother, I just buy what I like.
I never bought Invaders as an investment. The only time I have ever bought for investment purposes I have lost money so I don't bother, I just buy what I like.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:31:51 GMT 1, Oh also, Invader never gave any kind of certificate, nor do I have any email confirmations of purchase. Keeping it in the bag is like keeping prints in the original tube it was sent in and never taking them out, this bag business is taking collecting too far! Enjoy the stuff, sometimes money seems to be the only reason for collecting and that is wrong.
Even in the bags they looked smashing! And what would be the point of buying signed invader kits when you get them out of the bag?
Edit - Just for your info : I bought them for serious money and i sold them for a little more than i payed for them. I was in the position that i could get my cash back, so i did not make any big profit. I never bought art as an investment too.
Oh also, Invader never gave any kind of certificate, nor do I have any email confirmations of purchase. Keeping it in the bag is like keeping prints in the original tube it was sent in and never taking them out, this bag business is taking collecting too far! Enjoy the stuff, sometimes money seems to be the only reason for collecting and that is wrong. What are you on about? I framed the invaders and the bag was hardly visible. I loved looking at them in their frames. I was keeping them in the bags because if i wanted to sell them i could. I was offered a couple of invaders without their bags but i passed because people warned me for fakes. I did think of getting the kits out of the bags and stick them on the wall. But as prices were crazy high (for me) i just did not dare opening them and 'devaluating' them. Even in the bags they looked smashing! And what would be the point of buying signed invader kits when you get them out of the bag? Edit - Just for your info : I bought them for serious money and i sold them for a little more than i payed for them. I was in the position that i could get my cash back, so i did not make any big profit. I never bought art as an investment too. |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Dungle on Nov 10, 2013 0:35:01 GMT 1, Oh also, Invader never gave any kind of certificate, nor do I have any email confirmations of purchase. Keeping it in the bag is like keeping prints in the original tube it was sent in and never taking them out, this bag business is taking collecting too far! Enjoy the stuff, sometimes money seems to be the only reason for collecting and that is wrong. What are you on about? I framed the invaders and the bag was hardly visible. I loved looking at them in their frames. I was keeping them in the bags because if i wanted to sell them i could. I was offered a couple of invaders without their bags but i passed because people warned me for fakes. I did think of getting the kits out of the bags and stick them on the wall. But as prices were crazy high (for me) i just did not dare opening them and 'devaluating' them. Even in the bags they looked smashing! And what would be the point of buying signed invader kits when you get them out of the bag?
Oh also, Invader never gave any kind of certificate, nor do I have any email confirmations of purchase. Keeping it in the bag is like keeping prints in the original tube it was sent in and never taking them out, this bag business is taking collecting too far! Enjoy the stuff, sometimes money seems to be the only reason for collecting and that is wrong. What are you on about? I framed the invaders and the bag was hardly visible. I loved looking at them in their frames. I was keeping them in the bags because if i wanted to sell them i could. I was offered a couple of invaders without their bags but i passed because people warned me for fakes. I did think of getting the kits out of the bags and stick them on the wall. But as prices were crazy high (for me) i just did not dare opening them and 'devaluating' them. Even in the bags they looked smashing! And what would be the point of buying signed invader kits when you get them out of the bag? That is the million dollar question with them! Displaying them can be a nightmare! |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by 2badmice on Nov 10, 2013 0:37:32 GMT 1, I wasn't taking about framing, I was taking about actually sticking them to the wall outside. The one's I won't do that with will stay in the original boxes they were sent out with.
But framing them in their bags seems like a good way of enjoying them, so I am cool with that and may do that myself until I either sell them or stick them to the walls of my house.
I wasn't taking about framing, I was taking about actually sticking them to the wall outside. The one's I won't do that with will stay in the original boxes they were sent out with.
But framing them in their bags seems like a good way of enjoying them, so I am cool with that and may do that myself until I either sell them or stick them to the walls of my house.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Justdave on Nov 10, 2013 0:38:46 GMT 1, For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned.
The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag.
I hope this helps.
For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned.
The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag.
I hope this helps.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:40:44 GMT 1, For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned. The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag. I hope this helps.
Cheers Dave,
Some people have questions about how to spot the fakes so this will help. I also noticed that you can feel the embossed imprint of the 'old' text. But you need to know what your looking for though.
For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned. The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag. I hope this helps. Cheers Dave, Some people have questions about how to spot the fakes so this will help. I also noticed that you can feel the embossed imprint of the 'old' text. But you need to know what your looking for though. |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by 2badmice on Nov 10, 2013 0:41:49 GMT 1, Oh don't get me wrong I am not against buying for investment, it just has never worked for me: but if you are buying Invader for investment then get the tiles in the bag, in the original packing with invoice attached and then you can't go wrong, anything less could be dodgy.
Or come round my place with a hammer and chisel.
Oh don't get me wrong I am not against buying for investment, it just has never worked for me: but if you are buying Invader for investment then get the tiles in the bag, in the original packing with invoice attached and then you can't go wrong, anything less could be dodgy.
Or come round my place with a hammer and chisel.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Justdave on Nov 10, 2013 0:42:19 GMT 1, My invasion kits at home are framed out of the packaging. But I have original receipts for those ones, and have kept the bags stored safely. I will continue to take them out of the bags to enjoy.
My invasion kits at home are framed out of the packaging. But I have original receipts for those ones, and have kept the bags stored safely. I will continue to take them out of the bags to enjoy.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by 2badmice on Nov 10, 2013 0:43:36 GMT 1, Oh I think the purists may have a problem with the bag being opened…..?
Oh I think the purists may have a problem with the bag being opened…..?
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Justdave
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Justdave on Nov 10, 2013 0:51:13 GMT 1, IMO they are meant to be opened and enjoyed. So I have done just that. If I come to sell and get £200 less then so be it. At least I would have enjoyed them to the full extent. And the next buyer (if I ever decided to sell) can do the same.
IMO they are meant to be opened and enjoyed. So I have done just that. If I come to sell and get £200 less then so be it. At least I would have enjoyed them to the full extent. And the next buyer (if I ever decided to sell) can do the same.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by 2badmice on Nov 10, 2013 0:55:53 GMT 1, Ditto……good attitude.
Ditto……good attitude.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Gentle Mental on Nov 10, 2013 3:17:35 GMT 1, sorry to hear about the scam/trouble.
to avoid worrying about buying fakes, i suggest we make our own fakes.
it's just tiles and glue and google image search. less than 10 dollars for a fake that looks exactly the same as an original.
no to open or not to open bag worry, no coa whatnot + a nice afternoon of handy craft fun.
sorry to hear about the scam/trouble.
to avoid worrying about buying fakes, i suggest we make our own fakes.
it's just tiles and glue and google image search. less than 10 dollars for a fake that looks exactly the same as an original.
no to open or not to open bag worry, no coa whatnot + a nice afternoon of handy craft fun.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Pipes on Nov 10, 2013 3:36:46 GMT 1, For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned. The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag. I hope this helps.
Are all bags embossed?
Is the yellow date on the front always? Was googling images and most examples appear to be on the front, where as mine isn't - so alarm bells started ringing.
But I found a similar example here:
www.maxwellcolette.com/artist/space_invader/50286/ik_11_blue_2009/
Are they all supposed to look like this with yellow print on front?
Will post pics of mine but was just wondering.
For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned. The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag. I hope this helps. Are all bags embossed? Is the yellow date on the front always? Was googling images and most examples appear to be on the front, where as mine isn't - so alarm bells started ringing. But I found a similar example here: www.maxwellcolette.com/artist/space_invader/50286/ik_11_blue_2009/Are they all supposed to look like this with yellow print on front? Will post pics of mine but was just wondering. |
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Quinnster on Nov 10, 2013 8:12:54 GMT 1, After seeing the stunning framing I now want a kit or two but they are now too much money :-(
I guess it's a sign of invaders success.
After seeing the stunning framing I now want a kit or two but they are now too much money :-(
I guess it's a sign of invaders success.
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BEWARE • Fake Invader Kits, by Justdave on Nov 10, 2013 9:46:21 GMT 1, For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned. The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag. I hope this helps. Are all bags embossed? Is the yellow date on the front always? Was googling images and most examples appear to be on the front, where as mine isn't - so alarm bells started ringing. But I found a similar example here: www.maxwellcolette.com/artist/space_invader/50286/ik_11_blue_2009/Are they all supposed to look like this with yellow print on front? Will post pics of mine but was just wondering.
I would say the pic with no yellow print could be a fake. Some of the kits came with dates in yellow and some didn't. It depends what year. All bags from the same edition should be the same ie all with yellow print. But if it is dated it should match the year the kit was made, it's not the yellow writing you need to be looking for, it's if there is embossing underneath that doesn't line up with the yellow print.
On the 2 kits in question both had a 2012 emboss in the bag but hypnotic Vienna was made in 2009 and never had a date on the bags anyway.
For people worried about fakes. Just hold the packaging up to a light, and if there is any raised embossing that is imprinted into the bag that does not line up with the yellow writing then I would be concerned. The one in the pic 'hypnotic Vienna' was more obvious because the bag was never dated. But the newer dated ones are harder to see as these have the yellow printed date over the embossing on the fake bag. I hope this helps. Are all bags embossed? Is the yellow date on the front always? Was googling images and most examples appear to be on the front, where as mine isn't - so alarm bells started ringing. But I found a similar example here: www.maxwellcolette.com/artist/space_invader/50286/ik_11_blue_2009/Are they all supposed to look like this with yellow print on front? Will post pics of mine but was just wondering. I would say the pic with no yellow print could be a fake. Some of the kits came with dates in yellow and some didn't. It depends what year. All bags from the same edition should be the same ie all with yellow print. But if it is dated it should match the year the kit was made, it's not the yellow writing you need to be looking for, it's if there is embossing underneath that doesn't line up with the yellow print. On the 2 kits in question both had a 2012 emboss in the bag but hypnotic Vienna was made in 2009 and never had a date on the bags anyway. |
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