sohohoho
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COA held to ransom, by sohohoho on May 21, 2014 19:16:38 GMT 1, I bought a BAST print from an active forum member back in January 2013. He was the second owner, making me the third, but there was no COA as it had been misplaced by the first owner. Owner 1 found the COA a couple of months ago and sent it to Owner 2 unbeknown to him that Owner 2 was no longer the owner. Owner 2 didn't tell Owner 1 because Owner 2 wasn't happy that I was now looking to sell the print. Owner 2 decided to take possession of the COA with the intention of holding it back from me. Is it just me or is this totally bananas? I would contact Bast but I'm not sure that he would issue a duplicate COA knowing that there is already one out there. Thoughts?
I bought a BAST print from an active forum member back in January 2013. He was the second owner, making me the third, but there was no COA as it had been misplaced by the first owner. Owner 1 found the COA a couple of months ago and sent it to Owner 2 unbeknown to him that Owner 2 was no longer the owner. Owner 2 didn't tell Owner 1 because Owner 2 wasn't happy that I was now looking to sell the print. Owner 2 decided to take possession of the COA with the intention of holding it back from me. Is it just me or is this totally bananas? I would contact Bast but I'm not sure that he would issue a duplicate COA knowing that there is already one out there. Thoughts?
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londonboy
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COA held to ransom, by londonboy on May 21, 2014 19:20:47 GMT 1, Thoughts ??
Don't buy Bรคst
Thoughts ??
Don't buy Bรคst
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bonesy
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COA held to ransom, by bonesy on May 21, 2014 19:34:10 GMT 1, Its a dick move ad owner #2 has no use for the coa, but you bought it without coa so I don't think you should complain.
Don't think I'd reissue a coa if I were an artist, 2 coa's floating around for 1 piece kind of defeats the point.
Its a dick move ad owner #2 has no use for the coa, but you bought it without coa so I don't think you should complain.
Don't think I'd reissue a coa if I were an artist, 2 coa's floating around for 1 piece kind of defeats the point.
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mutatis
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COA held to ransom, by mutatis on May 21, 2014 19:35:46 GMT 1, Thoughts? It is "totally bananas". Whilst owner 2 might not be happy with you - and you don't indicate how upset he is - try and appeal to his sense of fair play, after all he sold it to you having bought it from owner 1.
Thoughts? It is "totally bananas". Whilst owner 2 might not be happy with you - and you don't indicate how upset he is - try and appeal to his sense of fair play, after all he sold it to you having bought it from owner 1.
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Warm Gun
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COA held to ransom, by Warm Gun on May 21, 2014 20:01:26 GMT 1, Owner number 2 sounds like a right bell end.
Owner number 2 sounds like a right bell end.
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COA held to ransom, by Posters And Prints Blog on May 21, 2014 20:02:04 GMT 1, i would 'out' owner 2 so that all of us NEVER deal with him/her in the future, total dick move part on owner 2's part.
i would 'out' owner 2 so that all of us NEVER deal with him/her in the future, total dick move part on owner 2's part.
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Sweetcorn
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COA held to ransom, by Sweetcorn on May 21, 2014 20:05:29 GMT 1, owner 2= complete tool
owner 2= complete tool
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chichi carter
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COA held to ransom, by chichi carter on May 21, 2014 20:07:35 GMT 1, Owner #2 willingly sold it to you. Then he should willingly pass on the COA. Holding on to a COA you have no use for... What kind of protest is that?
Owner #2 willingly sold it to you. Then he should willingly pass on the COA. Holding on to a COA you have no use for... What kind of protest is that?
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COA held to ransom, by Fะฏ on May 21, 2014 20:11:58 GMT 1, Owner number 2 sounds like a right bell end.
Owner number 2 sounds like a right bell end. Are you owner 2? |
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COA held to ransom, by Deleted on May 21, 2014 20:17:16 GMT 1, Not sure on whats happened between the seller and yourself but you have the right the sell the work as its yours to do what you want unless you agreed not too under some sort of terms, I think if otherwise everyone would agree the coa should be passed on and you should pm the seller to make him aware of the thread and everyones views, hopefully he will do the right thing, if not contact Bast and explain the circumstances, he may issue a 2nd coa because of the circumstances??
Not sure on whats happened between the seller and yourself but you have the right the sell the work as its yours to do what you want unless you agreed not too under some sort of terms, I think if otherwise everyone would agree the coa should be passed on and you should pm the seller to make him aware of the thread and everyones views, hopefully he will do the right thing, if not contact Bast and explain the circumstances, he may issue a 2nd coa because of the circumstances??
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silvermyn
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COA held to ransom, by silvermyn on May 21, 2014 20:28:03 GMT 1, Just guessing but did you buy at a discounted price on the grounds that the print had no COA...? If you did, then I would offer to buy the COA off owner #2 for whatever it is worth to you.
The COA was not part of the original deal and if you now want it to be part of the deal then make an offer for it. It's not worth anything to owner #2 so you might just secure it for the cost of a few beer tokens.
As always, money talks 
Just guessing but did you buy at a discounted price on the grounds that the print had no COA...? If you did, then I would offer to buy the COA off owner #2 for whatever it is worth to you. The COA was not part of the original deal and if you now want it to be part of the deal then make an offer for it. It's not worth anything to owner #2 so you might just secure it for the cost of a few beer tokens. As always, money talks |
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COA held to ransom, by Poster Bob on May 21, 2014 20:35:15 GMT 1, How is this being held to ransom? You make no mention of a demand for payment to receive the COA.
How is this being held to ransom? You make no mention of a demand for payment to receive the COA.
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COA held to ransom, by Deleted on May 21, 2014 20:41:23 GMT 1, It all depends what agreement or deal you made with owner two when you bought the thing.
Did you get it for a good price on the basis that you always wanted one and would never sell it etc etc?
It all depends what agreement or deal you made with owner two when you bought the thing.
Did you get it for a good price on the basis that you always wanted one and would never sell it etc etc?
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iamthetoe
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COA held to ransom, by iamthetoe on May 21, 2014 20:47:05 GMT 1, Disclaimer, new to this forum...that out of the way, it seems like a no-brainer that the buyer is entitled to the COA without even having to ask for it. I would say one is ethically obligated to produce the COA as a seller regardless of the price as there is a transfer of ownership. I equate this to buying a car or house. If you don't get the title, it's not legally yours. In the US anyhow.
In what world is it acceptable to sell a work of art and keep the COA??? To answer your original question, yes, this is totally bananas imho.
Disclaimer, new to this forum...that out of the way, it seems like a no-brainer that the buyer is entitled to the COA without even having to ask for it. I would say one is ethically obligated to produce the COA as a seller regardless of the price as there is a transfer of ownership. I equate this to buying a car or house. If you don't get the title, it's not legally yours. In the US anyhow.
In what world is it acceptable to sell a work of art and keep the COA??? To answer your original question, yes, this is totally bananas imho.
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Manty
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COA held to ransom, by Manty on May 21, 2014 21:19:18 GMT 1, i would 'out' owner 2 so that all of us NEVER deal with him/her in the future, total dick move part on owner 2's part.
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i would 'out' owner 2 so that all of us NEVER deal with him/her in the future, total dick move part on owner 2's part. You re nam eisreall ylong |
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bigtlt
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COA held to ransom, by bigtlt on May 21, 2014 21:43:37 GMT 1, How did you find out that owner 2 now has the COA?
Did they contact you to let you know they now have it but wouldn't be sending it to you or did you find out another way?
How did you find out that owner 2 now has the COA?
Did they contact you to let you know they now have it but wouldn't be sending it to you or did you find out another way?
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fnord
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COA held to ransom, by fnord on May 21, 2014 22:05:31 GMT 1, Lot of misdirection in that first post.
I am owner #2.
I bought it from owner #1 who told me he had misplaced the COA but would send it along if he ever found it. A couple months and some poor budgeting later I have to sell the print. I make it very clear that the print is missing its COA, as in originally had one but no longer does. Sohohoho and I strike a very good deal for him.
Print shipped out and the sale's done.
Now when I had it listed for sale there was a member who was interested in the print but didn't have the money at the time. A month or two after selling it I get a message from the same guy asking if I'd sold it to sohohoho. I acknowledge that was the one I'd sold. He then tells me that sohohoho is claiming the print never came with a COA and is therefore complete.
That pisses me off, I don't care if he resells for a higher price but I knowingly took a hit on the print by being honest about the missing COA. Sohohoho wanted to take the difference in perceived value and through deception rake a large profit.
Fast forward several more months. I unexpectedly receive the COA from owner #1 and I decide not to pass it on or tell Sohohoho about it. I'll acknowledge that was not the moral thing to do.
Several months after that brings us to today. I'm poking around ebay and see a Nose for sale. The auction makes no mention of a COA so I wonder if it's the same one.
I message the seller asking if the print comes with a COA.
Sohohoho responds saying that the print was never issued with a COA and that I can contact BAST if I want to verify it.
I respond that I know it came with a COA and that claiming it didn't was shady.
There's some more back and forth where I tell him owner #1 sent me the COA and I catch him up on my decision not to send it to him.
I bitched about it in a chat room and made a posting in the EB entry for the print to inform people that the print should have a COA and that the current seller on eBay is lying when asked about it.
There was no ransom, he has never asked me for the COA and I have never demanded anything for it.
My decision not to tell him I had it was childishly punitive in nature but not ransom.
Lot of misdirection in that first post.
I am owner #2.
I bought it from owner #1 who told me he had misplaced the COA but would send it along if he ever found it. A couple months and some poor budgeting later I have to sell the print. I make it very clear that the print is missing its COA, as in originally had one but no longer does. Sohohoho and I strike a very good deal for him.
Print shipped out and the sale's done.
Now when I had it listed for sale there was a member who was interested in the print but didn't have the money at the time. A month or two after selling it I get a message from the same guy asking if I'd sold it to sohohoho. I acknowledge that was the one I'd sold. He then tells me that sohohoho is claiming the print never came with a COA and is therefore complete.
That pisses me off, I don't care if he resells for a higher price but I knowingly took a hit on the print by being honest about the missing COA. Sohohoho wanted to take the difference in perceived value and through deception rake a large profit.
Fast forward several more months. I unexpectedly receive the COA from owner #1 and I decide not to pass it on or tell Sohohoho about it. I'll acknowledge that was not the moral thing to do.
Several months after that brings us to today. I'm poking around ebay and see a Nose for sale. The auction makes no mention of a COA so I wonder if it's the same one.
I message the seller asking if the print comes with a COA.
Sohohoho responds saying that the print was never issued with a COA and that I can contact BAST if I want to verify it.
I respond that I know it came with a COA and that claiming it didn't was shady.
There's some more back and forth where I tell him owner #1 sent me the COA and I catch him up on my decision not to send it to him.
I bitched about it in a chat room and made a posting in the EB entry for the print to inform people that the print should have a COA and that the current seller on eBay is lying when asked about it.
There was no ransom, he has never asked me for the COA and I have never demanded anything for it.
My decision not to tell him I had it was childishly punitive in nature but not ransom.
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COA held to ransom, by randomname on May 21, 2014 22:17:19 GMT 1, Lot of misdirection in that first post. I am owner #2. I bought it from owner #1 who told me he had misplaced the COA but would send it along if he ever found it. A couple months and some poor budgeting later I have to sell the print. I make it very clear that the print is missing its COA, as in originally had one but no longer does. Sohohoho and I strike a very good deal for him. Print shipped out and the sale's done. Now when I had it listed for sale there was a member who was interested in the print but didn't have the money at the time. A month or two after selling it I get a message from the same guy asking if I'd sold it to sohohoho. I acknowledge that was the one I'd sold. He then tells me that sohohoho is claiming the print never came with a COA and is therefore complete. That pisses me off, I don't care if he resells for a higher price but I knowingly took a hit on the print by being honest about the missing COA. Sohohoho wanted to take the difference in perceived value and through deception rake a large profit. Fast forward several more months. I unexpectedly receive the COA from owner #1 and I decide not to pass it on or tell Sohohoho about it. I'll acknowledge that was not the moral thing to do. Several months after that brings us to today. I'm poking around ebay and see a Nose for sale. The auction makes no mention of a COA so I wonder if it's the same one. I message the seller asking if the print comes with a COA. Sohohoho responds saying that the print was never issued with a COA and that I can contact BAST if I want to verify it. I respond that I know it came with a COA and that claiming it didn't was shady. There's some more back and forth where I tell him owner #1 sent me the COA and I catch him up on my decision not to send it to him. I b**ched about it in a chat room and made a posting in the EB entry for the print to inform people that the print should have a COA and that the current seller on eBay is lying when asked about it. There was no ransom, he has never asked me for the COA and I have never demanded anything for it. My decision not to tell him I had it was childishly punitive in nature but not ransom.
I'd just give him the COA. Chalk it up to a misunderstanding and move on.
Lot of misdirection in that first post. I am owner #2. I bought it from owner #1 who told me he had misplaced the COA but would send it along if he ever found it. A couple months and some poor budgeting later I have to sell the print. I make it very clear that the print is missing its COA, as in originally had one but no longer does. Sohohoho and I strike a very good deal for him. Print shipped out and the sale's done. Now when I had it listed for sale there was a member who was interested in the print but didn't have the money at the time. A month or two after selling it I get a message from the same guy asking if I'd sold it to sohohoho. I acknowledge that was the one I'd sold. He then tells me that sohohoho is claiming the print never came with a COA and is therefore complete. That pisses me off, I don't care if he resells for a higher price but I knowingly took a hit on the print by being honest about the missing COA. Sohohoho wanted to take the difference in perceived value and through deception rake a large profit. Fast forward several more months. I unexpectedly receive the COA from owner #1 and I decide not to pass it on or tell Sohohoho about it. I'll acknowledge that was not the moral thing to do. Several months after that brings us to today. I'm poking around ebay and see a Nose for sale. The auction makes no mention of a COA so I wonder if it's the same one. I message the seller asking if the print comes with a COA. Sohohoho responds saying that the print was never issued with a COA and that I can contact BAST if I want to verify it. I respond that I know it came with a COA and that claiming it didn't was shady. There's some more back and forth where I tell him owner #1 sent me the COA and I catch him up on my decision not to send it to him. I b**ched about it in a chat room and made a posting in the EB entry for the print to inform people that the print should have a COA and that the current seller on eBay is lying when asked about it. There was no ransom, he has never asked me for the COA and I have never demanded anything for it. My decision not to tell him I had it was childishly punitive in nature but not ransom. I'd just give him the COA. Chalk it up to a misunderstanding and move on. |
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COA held to ransom, by Deleted on May 21, 2014 22:19:45 GMT 1, The COA should be with the Artwork, the deal was done and thats that, its wrong in my opinion not to give the COA now, just pass it on and call it a day.
The COA should be with the Artwork, the deal was done and thats that, its wrong in my opinion not to give the COA now, just pass it on and call it a day.
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COA held to ransom, by brownbuffalo13 on May 21, 2014 22:25:06 GMT 1, COA should be forwarded to new owner regardless of situation.
Sounds like you baited the owner on ebay, knowing that you had the actual COA yourself. why play games about the COA and then mention on EB that the seller did not have the COA and to be careful when you had it the entire time.
COA should be forwarded to new owner regardless of situation.
Sounds like you baited the owner on ebay, knowing that you had the actual COA yourself. why play games about the COA and then mention on EB that the seller did not have the COA and to be careful when you had it the entire time.
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Wenters
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COA held to ransom, by Wenters on May 21, 2014 22:26:20 GMT 1, Just give the COA to Sohohoho and stop the messing around - it's not in the spirit of the community to not send it on.
Just give the COA to Sohohoho and stop the messing around - it's not in the spirit of the community to not send it on.
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fnord
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COA held to ransom, by fnord on May 21, 2014 22:31:34 GMT 1, He has not asked for it at any point and I don't have an address to send it to him as the original address was a friends place in the states.
I did not bait the him. I asked the seller, not knowing it was sohohoho, if the print came with a COA and he lied. Things quickly devolved at that point.
He has not asked for it at any point and I don't have an address to send it to him as the original address was a friends place in the states.
I did not bait the him. I asked the seller, not knowing it was sohohoho, if the print came with a COA and he lied. Things quickly devolved at that point.
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Dungle
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COA held to ransom, by Dungle on May 21, 2014 22:33:41 GMT 1, It's like friggin kindergarten.
You sold the piece for a price you were happy with.
The fact the COA's turned up out the blue does not change that.
The COA is worth fuck all on its own, just do the right thing and send it on.
It's like friggin kindergarten.
You sold the piece for a price you were happy with.
The fact the COA's turned up out the blue does not change that.
The COA is worth fuck all on its own, just do the right thing and send it on.
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Nick
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COA held to ransom, by Nick on May 21, 2014 22:35:05 GMT 1, He should't be claiming the piece never came with a COA. That's definitely wrong, but so is what you're doing. The COA's not yours and never was as you purchased without it and sold before it was found. so i reccomend passing it on.
He should't be claiming the piece never came with a COA. That's definitely wrong, but so is what you're doing. The COA's not yours and never was as you purchased without it and sold before it was found. so i reccomend passing it on.
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Dungle
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COA held to ransom, by Dungle on May 21, 2014 22:38:25 GMT 1, He should't be claiming the piece never came with a COA. That's definitely wrong, but so is what you're doing. The COA's not yours and never was as you purchased without it and sold before it was found. so i reccomend passing it on.
He should't be claiming the piece never came with a COA. That's definitely wrong, but so is what you're doing. The COA's not yours and never was as you purchased without it and sold before it was found. so i reccomend passing it on. But it never did come with a COA when he bought it. The fact the COA turned up appears to have been withheld from him. |
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COA held to ransom, by fnord on May 21, 2014 22:41:20 GMT 1, Sohohoho's claim was that BAST did not issue a COA for the print when it was originally sold.
This is a claim he's made to multiple people despite me making it very clear when I sold it that it originally had a COA that was missing.
Sohohoho's claim was that BAST did not issue a COA for the print when it was originally sold.
This is a claim he's made to multiple people despite me making it very clear when I sold it that it originally had a COA that was missing.
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COA held to ransom, by dazarino on May 21, 2014 22:49:20 GMT 1, send him the poa and move on. You are just sounding bitter and untrustworthy.
Your probably a great person so do right thing
send him the poa and move on. You are just sounding bitter and untrustworthy.
Your probably a great person so do right thing
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COA held to ransom, by kenzler on May 21, 2014 22:49:21 GMT 1, Does it really matter who did or said what anymore.
You have the COA which you don't really need, he didn't ask as he wouldn't of known at the time but does now.
He shouldn't of said no COA was issued agreed but he did and that won't change. He would have had his reasons what ever they were.
Bottom line exchange details send it on and move on. Life's to short mate.
Does it really matter who did or said what anymore.
You have the COA which you don't really need, he didn't ask as he wouldn't of known at the time but does now.
He shouldn't of said no COA was issued agreed but he did and that won't change. He would have had his reasons what ever they were.
Bottom line exchange details send it on and move on. Life's to short mate.
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COA held to ransom, by Deleted on May 21, 2014 22:50:36 GMT 1, As mentioned find out the seller (s**t I can't remember is it 1st,2nd,3rd,4th or 5th sellers address) and send the COA. Then get some sleep.
As mentioned find out the seller (s**t I can't remember is it 1st,2nd,3rd,4th or 5th sellers address) and send the COA. Then get some sleep.
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fnord
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COA held to ransom, by fnord on May 21, 2014 22:55:53 GMT 1, You have the COA which you don't really need, he didn't ask as he wouldn't of known at the time but does now.
Correct, my comments about him never asking are in reference to our conversation today. I told him my juvenile reasons for not informing him of the COA and told him he was shady, which he most definitely is.
The conversation devolved from there but at no point has he asked if I would send it to him.
I'm still waiting on that PM.
You have the COA which you don't really need, he didn't ask as he wouldn't of known at the time but does now. Correct, my comments about him never asking are in reference to our conversation today. I told him my juvenile reasons for not informing him of the COA and told him he was shady, which he most definitely is. The conversation devolved from there but at no point has he asked if I would send it to him. I'm still waiting on that PM. |
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