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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:10:46 GMT 1, Thank you feralthings for your constructive response. Like you I agree with one of your points (the first), but unfortunately not the second. Israel should not continue to build settlements, as it is a clear violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, and is illegal. Unfortunately no country is perfect, and we can only hope that the deconstruction of these settlements happens in the near future. However, lets not forget that Israel did dismantle 21 settlements in Gaza and 4 in the West Bank in 2005, so I believe there is still hope for those remaining. With regard to your point about civilian casualties, I must rebut this point as there is significant evidence that implicates Hamas's disregard for civilian life. Yes, you are correct that 7 hospitals and 4 UN-run schools were targeted, however I don't think that tells the whole story. Firstly, the IDF gives prior warning to any airstrike that is going to take place in a civilian populated area. They conduct this by sending flyers giving advanced warning to any civilians to evacuate the area. Then prior to the airstrike, they fire a warning shot, again to give warning of the impending strike. Only after this is the strike executed, with perfect precision. However, we must not simply look at what they are targeting, but why they are targeting it. There is absolute proof that Hamas stores weapons in hospitals and schools, as well as launching rockets from them. How can anyone defend a government who directly places its civilians in the firing line, and uses them as human shields. Hamas knows that civilian casualties is fantastic for their press. As you mentioned, the IDF's bombing have become a recruiting tool for Hamas. In addition to this clear disregard for civilian life, Hamas aimlessly fires rockets into Israel hoping to hit anything and anyone. Imagine if Israel did not have the Iron Dome, just think how many causalities there would be. People look at the death toll, and come to the conclusion that Israel are the only bad guys, but they aren't. For example, around 10% of Hamas's rockets land inside Gaza resulting in the death of their own civilians. Further to this Hamas dress some of their soldiers in civilian clothing in order to increase the civilian death toll. Don't misunderstand this as a statement that I agree with what Israel have done, and how they have done it, but at least there is evidence that they try to minimise civilian casualties. Whereas on the other side, two of the most senior Hamas leaders appeared on Hamas TV saying that "Hamas loves death like Israelis love life". Not a particularly constructive starting point towards peace. How anyone can believe Hamas has any legitimacy as a Government who can negotiate a settlement or ceasefire is unfortunately misguided. They are a terrorist organisation in the EU and US' eyes and have not attempted to hold an election since they seized power nearly 8 years ago. I support Gaza, and I support Israel, but I do not, and can not support Hamas. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, Hamas is an obstacle to peace, and in my opinion the most prevalent one.
Thank you feralthings for your constructive response. Like you I agree with one of your points (the first), but unfortunately not the second. Israel should not continue to build settlements, as it is a clear violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, and is illegal. Unfortunately no country is perfect, and we can only hope that the deconstruction of these settlements happens in the near future. However, lets not forget that Israel did dismantle 21 settlements in Gaza and 4 in the West Bank in 2005, so I believe there is still hope for those remaining. With regard to your point about civilian casualties, I must rebut this point as there is significant evidence that implicates Hamas's disregard for civilian life. Yes, you are correct that 7 hospitals and 4 UN-run schools were targeted, however I don't think that tells the whole story. Firstly, the IDF gives prior warning to any airstrike that is going to take place in a civilian populated area. They conduct this by sending flyers giving advanced warning to any civilians to evacuate the area. Then prior to the airstrike, they fire a warning shot, again to give warning of the impending strike. Only after this is the strike executed, with perfect precision. However, we must not simply look at what they are targeting, but why they are targeting it. There is absolute proof that Hamas stores weapons in hospitals and schools, as well as launching rockets from them. How can anyone defend a government who directly places its civilians in the firing line, and uses them as human shields. Hamas knows that civilian casualties is fantastic for their press. As you mentioned, the IDF's bombing have become a recruiting tool for Hamas. In addition to this clear disregard for civilian life, Hamas aimlessly fires rockets into Israel hoping to hit anything and anyone. Imagine if Israel did not have the Iron Dome, just think how many causalities there would be. People look at the death toll, and come to the conclusion that Israel are the only bad guys, but they aren't. For example, around 10% of Hamas's rockets land inside Gaza resulting in the death of their own civilians. Further to this Hamas dress some of their soldiers in civilian clothing in order to increase the civilian death toll. Don't misunderstand this as a statement that I agree with what Israel have done, and how they have done it, but at least there is evidence that they try to minimise civilian casualties. Whereas on the other side, two of the most senior Hamas leaders appeared on Hamas TV saying that "Hamas loves death like Israelis love life". Not a particularly constructive starting point towards peace. How anyone can believe Hamas has any legitimacy as a Government who can negotiate a settlement or ceasefire is unfortunately misguided. They are a terrorist organisation in the EU and US' eyes and have not attempted to hold an election since they seized power nearly 8 years ago. I support Gaza, and I support Israel, but I do not, and can not support Hamas. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, Hamas is an obstacle to peace, and in my opinion the most prevalent one. Oh dear, oh dear |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:12:08 GMT 1, Hasbara
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 15, 2014 17:29:54 GMT 1, I'm happy to engage in constructive debate if you wish to have it, but I can't be part of what is clearly blind hate. I'm not against your opinions if you wish to share them. Not at any point have I condoned the way Israel have acted.
To pointlessly state that I am paid to promote Israeli 'propaganda' is just ridiculous.
I'm sharing my opinions in a harmless and constructive way that promotes debate, nothing more nothing less. If you don't wish to be involved in it, then don't be, but you cannot and will not prevent me having an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. Just because my opinions are not aligned with yours, doesn't mean I can't share them.
Disagreeing with me constructively is fine, but aiming hatred at me, without knowing a thing about me is mindless, and I believe you all to be far more intelligent than that. If you wish to prove me wrong on that point, then go ahead, but I won't rise to it. I value my integrity far more than to bother replying pure hatred.
I'm happy to engage in constructive debate if you wish to have it, but I can't be part of what is clearly blind hate. I'm not against your opinions if you wish to share them. Not at any point have I condoned the way Israel have acted.
To pointlessly state that I am paid to promote Israeli 'propaganda' is just ridiculous.
I'm sharing my opinions in a harmless and constructive way that promotes debate, nothing more nothing less. If you don't wish to be involved in it, then don't be, but you cannot and will not prevent me having an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. Just because my opinions are not aligned with yours, doesn't mean I can't share them.
Disagreeing with me constructively is fine, but aiming hatred at me, without knowing a thing about me is mindless, and I believe you all to be far more intelligent than that. If you wish to prove me wrong on that point, then go ahead, but I won't rise to it. I value my integrity far more than to bother replying pure hatred.
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 18:40:55 GMT 1, I'm happy to engage in constructive debate if you wish to have it, but I can't be part of what is clearly blind hate. I'm not against your opinions if you wish to share them. Not at any point have I condoned the way Israel have acted. To pointlessly state that I am paid to promote Israeli 'propaganda' is just ridiculous. I'm sharing my opinions in a harmless and constructive way that promotes debate, nothing more nothing less. If you don't wish to be involved in it, then don't be, but you cannot and will not prevent me having an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. Just because my opinions are not aligned with yours, doesn't mean I can't share them. Disagreeing with me constructively is fine, but aiming hatred at me, without knowing a thing about me is mindless, and I believe you all to be far more intelligent than that. If you wish to prove me wrong on that point, then go ahead, but I won't rise to it. I value my integrity far more than to bother replying pure hatred.
Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio.
I'm happy to engage in constructive debate if you wish to have it, but I can't be part of what is clearly blind hate. I'm not against your opinions if you wish to share them. Not at any point have I condoned the way Israel have acted. To pointlessly state that I am paid to promote Israeli 'propaganda' is just ridiculous. I'm sharing my opinions in a harmless and constructive way that promotes debate, nothing more nothing less. If you don't wish to be involved in it, then don't be, but you cannot and will not prevent me having an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. Just because my opinions are not aligned with yours, doesn't mean I can't share them. Disagreeing with me constructively is fine, but aiming hatred at me, without knowing a thing about me is mindless, and I believe you all to be far more intelligent than that. If you wish to prove me wrong on that point, then go ahead, but I won't rise to it. I value my integrity far more than to bother replying pure hatred. There's no hatred here, there's just disappointment, sadness and eventual disgust when people attempt to justify the slaughter of unarmed women and children. We feel sorry for you that you feel you have to use your time and energy on defending the actions of a state that actively targets schools and hospitals and rains missiles down on them. You don't own the media anymore, the internet has been a game changer. No amount of mainstream propaganda will change that, ever again. The world have seen the slaughter of the innocent and rightly responded with disgust. Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 15, 2014 19:47:09 GMT 1, I'm happy to engage in constructive debate if you wish to have it, but I can't be part of what is clearly blind hate. I'm not against your opinions if you wish to share them. Not at any point have I condoned the way Israel have acted. To pointlessly state that I am paid to promote Israeli 'propaganda' is just ridiculous. I'm sharing my opinions in a harmless and constructive way that promotes debate, nothing more nothing less. If you don't wish to be involved in it, then don't be, but you cannot and will not prevent me having an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. Just because my opinions are not aligned with yours, doesn't mean I can't share them. Disagreeing with me constructively is fine, but aiming hatred at me, without knowing a thing about me is mindless, and I believe you all to be far more intelligent than that. If you wish to prove me wrong on that point, then go ahead, but I won't rise to it. I value my integrity far more than to bother replying pure hatred. There's no hatred here, there's just disappointment, sadness and eventual disgust when people attempt to justify the slaughter of unarmed women and children. We feel sorry for you that you feel you have to use your time and energy on defending the actions of a state that actively targets schools and hospitals and rains missiles down on them. You don't own the media anymore, the internet has been a game changer. No amount of mainstream propaganda will change that, ever again. The world have seen the slaughter of the innocent and rightly responded with disgust. Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio.
Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact.
Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be?
You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine.
On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed?
Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you".
I'm happy to engage in constructive debate if you wish to have it, but I can't be part of what is clearly blind hate. I'm not against your opinions if you wish to share them. Not at any point have I condoned the way Israel have acted. To pointlessly state that I am paid to promote Israeli 'propaganda' is just ridiculous. I'm sharing my opinions in a harmless and constructive way that promotes debate, nothing more nothing less. If you don't wish to be involved in it, then don't be, but you cannot and will not prevent me having an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. Just because my opinions are not aligned with yours, doesn't mean I can't share them. Disagreeing with me constructively is fine, but aiming hatred at me, without knowing a thing about me is mindless, and I believe you all to be far more intelligent than that. If you wish to prove me wrong on that point, then go ahead, but I won't rise to it. I value my integrity far more than to bother replying pure hatred. There's no hatred here, there's just disappointment, sadness and eventual disgust when people attempt to justify the slaughter of unarmed women and children. We feel sorry for you that you feel you have to use your time and energy on defending the actions of a state that actively targets schools and hospitals and rains missiles down on them. You don't own the media anymore, the internet has been a game changer. No amount of mainstream propaganda will change that, ever again. The world have seen the slaughter of the innocent and rightly responded with disgust. Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio. If you take the time to read anything that I have written, you will clearly see at no point have I tired to justify the actions of the IDF. In fact I have been quite vocal against their actions. However, I do believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact. Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be? You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine. On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed? Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you". |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by kultur on Sept 15, 2014 20:17:08 GMT 1, There's no hatred here, there's just disappointment, sadness and eventual disgust when people attempt to justify the slaughter of unarmed women and children. We feel sorry for you that you feel you have to use your time and energy on defending the actions of a state that actively targets schools and hospitals and rains missiles down on them. You don't own the media anymore, the internet has been a game changer. No amount of mainstream propaganda will change that, ever again. The world have seen the slaughter of the innocent and rightly responded with disgust. Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio. If you take the time to read anything that I have written, you will clearly see at no point have I tired to justify the actions of the IDF. In fact I have been quite vocal against their actions. However, I do believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact. Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be? You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine. On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed? Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you".
Hamas would kill every single Israeli (women and children included) with extreme prejudice and makes these statements boldly and proud in the media. Given more time and funds they would brutally slaughter every single one of them with a big smile on their face and expect a reward for their action.
I can never and will never support a terrorist organization. No one should. End of story.
There's no hatred here, there's just disappointment, sadness and eventual disgust when people attempt to justify the slaughter of unarmed women and children. We feel sorry for you that you feel you have to use your time and energy on defending the actions of a state that actively targets schools and hospitals and rains missiles down on them. You don't own the media anymore, the internet has been a game changer. No amount of mainstream propaganda will change that, ever again. The world have seen the slaughter of the innocent and rightly responded with disgust. Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio. If you take the time to read anything that I have written, you will clearly see at no point have I tired to justify the actions of the IDF. In fact I have been quite vocal against their actions. However, I do believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact. Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be? You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine. On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed? Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you". this misinformed, hate filled and vile POS is not worth your time or effort. Hamas would kill every single Israeli (women and children included) with extreme prejudice and makes these statements boldly and proud in the media. Given more time and funds they would brutally slaughter every single one of them with a big smile on their face and expect a reward for their action. I can never and will never support a terrorist organization. No one should. End of story. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 20:19:59 GMT 1, There's no hatred here, there's just disappointment, sadness and eventual disgust when people attempt to justify the slaughter of unarmed women and children. We feel sorry for you that you feel you have to use your time and energy on defending the actions of a state that actively targets schools and hospitals and rains missiles down on them. You don't own the media anymore, the internet has been a game changer. No amount of mainstream propaganda will change that, ever again. The world have seen the slaughter of the innocent and rightly responded with disgust. Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio. If you take the time to read anything that I have written, you will clearly see at no point have I tired to justify the actions of the IDF. In fact I have been quite vocal against their actions. However, I do believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact. Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be? You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine. On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed? Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you".
There's no hatred here, there's just disappointment, sadness and eventual disgust when people attempt to justify the slaughter of unarmed women and children. We feel sorry for you that you feel you have to use your time and energy on defending the actions of a state that actively targets schools and hospitals and rains missiles down on them. You don't own the media anymore, the internet has been a game changer. No amount of mainstream propaganda will change that, ever again. The world have seen the slaughter of the innocent and rightly responded with disgust. Below are some of the names of the young children slaughtered by the IDF in their current land grab. Kids that the Israeli media refuse to mention by name on tv or radio. If you take the time to read anything that I have written, you will clearly see at no point have I tired to justify the actions of the IDF. In fact I have been quite vocal against their actions. However, I do believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact. Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be? You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine. On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed? Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you". Keep reading from the script, try not to deviate from it. Agree, question, state Israel's case. And hey, please, don't take it personally. Look into your heart, imagine for a minute those little children playing football were your own, or your friends. Dig deep. Close your eyes, try and empathise with those that are bereaved. And then, read your posts again. And by "You", I'm referring to the Conservative right. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 20:37:36 GMT 1, oxomo this misinformed, hate filled and vile POS is not worth your time or effort. Hamas would kill every single Israeli (women and children included) with extreme prejudice and makes these statements boldly and proud in the media. Given more time and funds they would brutally slaughter every single one of them with a big smile on their face and expect a reward for their action. I can never and will never support a terrorist organization. No one should. End of story.
oxomo this misinformed, hate filled and vile POS is not worth your time or effort. Hamas would kill every single Israeli (women and children included) with extreme prejudice and makes these statements boldly and proud in the media. Given more time and funds they would brutally slaughter every single one of them with a big smile on their face and expect a reward for their action. I can never and will never support a terrorist organization. No one should. End of story. Kultur, did you just call me a Piece of Shit.. hahaha. Mate, really. Have you not read the script. You're really not supposed to deviate from it that much. Try not to make personal attacks. It makes it look and sound like a trait. Remember we're discussing the inability of the State of Israel to control itself. A little more damage limitation and less of the attacks if you don't mind. ;-) |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 15, 2014 20:38:48 GMT 1, If you take the time to read anything that I have written, you will clearly see at no point have I tired to justify the actions of the IDF. In fact I have been quite vocal against their actions. However, I do believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact. Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be? You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine. On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed? Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you". Keep reading from the script, try not to deviate from it. Agree, question, state Israel's case. And hey, please, don't take it personally. Look into your heart, imagine for a minute those little children playing football were your own, or your friends. Dig deep. Close your eyes, try and empathise with those that are bereaved. And then, read your posts again. And by "You", I'm referring to the Conservative right.
OK, so that's one of you that have shown your true intelligence, well done. Your inability to constructive a reasonable debate is rather pathetic. If you had any knowledge on the situation at all, I think you would be able to do a little better. Isn't the point of a debate, to agree/disagree, question and state what you believe? Or am I missing something?!
Once you are ready to talk sensibly, and actually answer the questions posed to you, I'll be here.
One last thing though, I do find it rather amusing that you believe that the internet has prevented the so called conservative right wing from spreading propaganda...because the internet is the true source of real information. Nothing can be faked on the internet, obviously.
If you take the time to read anything that I have written, you will clearly see at no point have I tired to justify the actions of the IDF. In fact I have been quite vocal against their actions. However, I do believe that Israel has the right to defend itself. Do you not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation? My problem is not with Gaza - again I have clearly outlined this - but with Hamas. I assume you want peace for the Gazans? How can the people of Gaza ever achieve peace with a government who's charter states that they want the destruction of Israel. How can you possibly state that this is propaganda? It is fact. Israel's mission was the disarmament of Hamas, and the destruction of the tunnel network that they built with the sole purpose of committing attacks on the Israeli people. Once Israel achieved this they left. How can you expect any country not to act in order to protect their civilians? AGAIN, I stress that I am not condoning the way Israel handled itself, but it is without doubt that certain action had to be taken. Would you not expect the same from your government, whichever that may be? You mention the targeting of schools and hospitals, a point which I addressed above, whether you chose to believe my explantation of this is up to you. You may feel that this is propaganda, I can't stop that, we will just have to disagree on this point, which is fine. On your point of the slaughter of the innocent, I couldn't agree more. It's horrendous, and a tragic loss of life. Something, again I have expressed in a previous post. Israel are fortunate enough to have the Iron Dome to protect them, just think how many Israeli casualties there would have been without this. I think you would find the numbers quite staggering. Is that what it will take for you to have sympathy for the Israeli side, countless more innocents being killed? Now to address what I feel is a personal attack - "you don't own the media anymore". Could you perhaps explain what you mean by that statement...and if it isn't clear what my question is, I am referring to the use of the word "you". Keep reading from the script, try not to deviate from it. Agree, question, state Israel's case. And hey, please, don't take it personally. Look into your heart, imagine for a minute those little children playing football were your own, or your friends. Dig deep. Close your eyes, try and empathise with those that are bereaved. And then, read your posts again. And by "You", I'm referring to the Conservative right. OK, so that's one of you that have shown your true intelligence, well done. Your inability to constructive a reasonable debate is rather pathetic. If you had any knowledge on the situation at all, I think you would be able to do a little better. Isn't the point of a debate, to agree/disagree, question and state what you believe? Or am I missing something?! Once you are ready to talk sensibly, and actually answer the questions posed to you, I'll be here. One last thing though, I do find it rather amusing that you believe that the internet has prevented the so called conservative right wing from spreading propaganda...because the internet is the true source of real information. Nothing can be faked on the internet, obviously. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 21:06:23 GMT 1, I've been to Palestine and Israel several times, my opinions are my own based on experience. But anyway yes, thanks for your understanding of the Palestinian cause and your attempt to have a reasonable scripted debate.
I've been to Palestine and Israel several times, my opinions are my own based on experience. But anyway yes, thanks for your understanding of the Palestinian cause and your attempt to have a reasonable scripted debate.
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by kultur on Sept 15, 2014 21:07:40 GMT 1, oxomo this misinformed, hate filled and vile POS is not worth your time or effort. Hamas would kill every single Israeli (women and children included) with extreme prejudice and makes these statements boldly and proud in the media. Given more time and funds they would brutally slaughter every single one of them with a big smile on their face and expect a reward for their action. I can never and will never support a terrorist organization. No one should. End of story. Kultur, did you just call me a Piece of s**t.. hahaha. Mate, really. Have you not read the script. You're really not supposed to deviate from it that much. Try not to make personal attacks. It makes it look and sound like a trait. Remember we're discussing the inability of the State of Israel to control itself. A little more damage limitation and less of the attacks if you don't mind. ;-)
How can anyone support a terrorist organization and only report half of a truly heartbreaking story?
Maybe you would like to support rapists as long as they rape the right women. Maybe for you it is okay for men to brutally beat up women... as victims of domestic violence just deserve it! Maybe it is okay for you to watch extremist muslims behead Americans... as Americans deserve it. Maybe 9-11 is something you celebrate.
I can guarantee that you can say more things that would shock us on here... but I am done listening. You don't need to answer as it is pretty clear who and what you are. END
oxomo this misinformed, hate filled and vile POS is not worth your time or effort. Hamas would kill every single Israeli (women and children included) with extreme prejudice and makes these statements boldly and proud in the media. Given more time and funds they would brutally slaughter every single one of them with a big smile on their face and expect a reward for their action. I can never and will never support a terrorist organization. No one should. End of story. Kultur, did you just call me a Piece of s**t.. hahaha. Mate, really. Have you not read the script. You're really not supposed to deviate from it that much. Try not to make personal attacks. It makes it look and sound like a trait. Remember we're discussing the inability of the State of Israel to control itself. A little more damage limitation and less of the attacks if you don't mind. ;-) I am sorry that you can't handle the truth that you come across on here as truly vile and it is amazing to me all the hate you spurt out while trying to be all smug. Calling everyone a conservative - well maybe you are just that far out there that everyone else is conservative. And if that is the case, I will wear an unearned badge of conservatism - a badge that anyone who knows me would burst out in laughter. Well done. How can anyone support a terrorist organization and only report half of a truly heartbreaking story? Maybe you would like to support rapists as long as they rape the right women. Maybe for you it is okay for men to brutally beat up women... as victims of domestic violence just deserve it! Maybe it is okay for you to watch extremist muslims behead Americans... as Americans deserve it. Maybe 9-11 is something you celebrate. I can guarantee that you can say more things that would shock us on here... but I am done listening. You don't need to answer as it is pretty clear who and what you are. END |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 22:29:32 GMT 1, Kultur, did you just call me a Piece of s**t.. hahaha. Mate, really. Have you not read the script. You're really not supposed to deviate from it that much. Try not to make personal attacks. It makes it look and sound like a trait. Remember we're discussing the inability of the State of Israel to control itself. A little more damage limitation and less of the attacks if you don't mind. ;-) I am sorry that you can't handle the truth that you come across on here as truly vile and it is amazing to me all the hate you spurt out while trying to be all smug. Calling everyone a conservative - well maybe you are just that far out there that everyone else is conservative. And if that is the case, I will wear an unearned badge of conservatism - a badge that anyone who knows me would burst out in laughter. Well done. How can anyone support a terrorist organization and only report half of a truly heartbreaking story? Maybe you would like to support rapists as long as they rape the right women. Maybe for you it is okay for men to brutally beat up women... as victims of domestic violence just deserve it! Maybe it is okay for you to watch extremist muslims behead Americans... as Americans deserve it. Maybe 9-11 is something you celebrate. I can guarantee that you can say more things that would shock us on here... but I am done listening. You don't need to answer as it is pretty clear who and what you are. END
Kultur, did you just call me a Piece of s**t.. hahaha. Mate, really. Have you not read the script. You're really not supposed to deviate from it that much. Try not to make personal attacks. It makes it look and sound like a trait. Remember we're discussing the inability of the State of Israel to control itself. A little more damage limitation and less of the attacks if you don't mind. ;-) I am sorry that you can't handle the truth that you come across on here as truly vile and it is amazing to me all the hate you spurt out while trying to be all smug. Calling everyone a conservative - well maybe you are just that far out there that everyone else is conservative. And if that is the case, I will wear an unearned badge of conservatism - a badge that anyone who knows me would burst out in laughter. Well done. How can anyone support a terrorist organization and only report half of a truly heartbreaking story? Maybe you would like to support rapists as long as they rape the right women. Maybe for you it is okay for men to brutally beat up women... as victims of domestic violence just deserve it! Maybe it is okay for you to watch extremist muslims behead Americans... as Americans deserve it. Maybe 9-11 is something you celebrate. I can guarantee that you can say more things that would shock us on here... but I am done listening. You don't need to answer as it is pretty clear who and what you are. END eh ? |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by misterx on Sept 16, 2014 4:19:49 GMT 1, Arguing with Israeli sympathisers is futile.
Personally I find Israel's position completely and utterly indefensible and yet there are those, like Kultur, who are adamant that the slaughter of thousands of Palestinian civilians and the theft of their land is A-OK.
These people, then, unbelievably, take the moral high ground, normally enjoying telling you where your decencies are all screwed up in this regard.
Equally distressing to me is the silence of governments around the world whilst the genocide continues.
I worry for my children's futures. I really do.
Arguing with Israeli sympathisers is futile.
Personally I find Israel's position completely and utterly indefensible and yet there are those, like Kultur, who are adamant that the slaughter of thousands of Palestinian civilians and the theft of their land is A-OK.
These people, then, unbelievably, take the moral high ground, normally enjoying telling you where your decencies are all screwed up in this regard.
Equally distressing to me is the silence of governments around the world whilst the genocide continues.
I worry for my children's futures. I really do.
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 6:10:34 GMT 1, Kultur, did you just call me a Piece of s**t.. hahaha. Mate, really. Have you not read the script. You're really not supposed to deviate from it that much. Try not to make personal attacks. It makes it look and sound like a trait. Remember we're discussing the inability of the State of Israel to control itself. A little more damage limitation and less of the attacks if you don't mind. ;-) I am sorry that you can't handle the truth that you come across on here as truly vile and it is amazing to me all the hate you spurt out while trying to be all smug. Calling everyone a conservative - well maybe you are just that far out there that everyone else is conservative. And if that is the case, I will wear an unearned badge of conservatism - a badge that anyone who knows me would burst out in laughter. Well done. How can anyone support a terrorist organization and only report half of a truly heartbreaking story? Maybe you would like to support rapists as long as they rape the right women. Maybe for you it is okay for men to brutally beat up women... as victims of domestic violence just deserve it! Maybe it is okay for you to watch extremist muslims behead Americans... as Americans deserve it. Maybe 9-11 is something you celebrate. I I can guarantee that you can say more things that would shock us on here... but I am done listening. You don't need to answer as it is pretty clear who and what you are. END
Kultur, did you just call me a Piece of s**t.. hahaha. Mate, really. Have you not read the script. You're really not supposed to deviate from it that much. Try not to make personal attacks. It makes it look and sound like a trait. Remember we're discussing the inability of the State of Israel to control itself. A little more damage limitation and less of the attacks if you don't mind. ;-) I am sorry that you can't handle the truth that you come across on here as truly vile and it is amazing to me all the hate you spurt out while trying to be all smug. Calling everyone a conservative - well maybe you are just that far out there that everyone else is conservative. And if that is the case, I will wear an unearned badge of conservatism - a badge that anyone who knows me would burst out in laughter. Well done. How can anyone support a terrorist organization and only report half of a truly heartbreaking story? Maybe you would like to support rapists as long as they rape the right women. Maybe for you it is okay for men to brutally beat up women... as victims of domestic violence just deserve it! Maybe it is okay for you to watch extremist muslims behead Americans... as Americans deserve it. Maybe 9-11 is something you celebrate. I I can guarantee that you can say more things that would shock us on here... but I am done listening. You don't need to answer as it is pretty clear who and what you are. END Such overwhelming ignorance. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 7:22:43 GMT 1, Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 16, 2014 11:11:58 GMT 1,
You really don't help yourself do you!
Apartheid...really?! There are over a million arabs living in Israel (remember there are only 8 million people that live in Israel, so that's a pretty large percentage of the country), who are fully integrated into Israeli society, have the exact same rights and work side-by-side with Israelis. I have engaged in meaningful debate with you countless times, yet you choose to ignore my questions, and continue to spread hate. What on earth do you think you are achieving?
If you had actually been to Israel (countless times, so you claim), you would know better. You are just showing yourself to be incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded.
Now onto the boycott...I guess you better stop using your USB flash drive...Israel invented that. Your laptop probably contains an Intel Pentium chip, so I guess you'll have to stop using that too. If your computer is running Windows XT operating system, you might want to change that now.
Now what else has Israel does Israel do? Lets think...
They are the world leaders in stem cell research. They developed Copaxone, which is the drug currently used to treat multiple sclerosis. They are the world leader in environmental science...just check out the Smart Drip, which is used in 112 countries.
I mean the list goes on...but no doubt you will ignore my request for debate and continue down your path of enmity. So far you have brought no constructive insight to this conversation, and you are simply showing yourself to have absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all.
You haven't even managed to respond to my comments about Hamas being a terrorist organisation. I find that quite odd.
You really don't help yourself do you! Apartheid...really?! There are over a million arabs living in Israel (remember there are only 8 million people that live in Israel, so that's a pretty large percentage of the country), who are fully integrated into Israeli society, have the exact same rights and work side-by-side with Israelis. I have engaged in meaningful debate with you countless times, yet you choose to ignore my questions, and continue to spread hate. What on earth do you think you are achieving? If you had actually been to Israel (countless times, so you claim), you would know better. You are just showing yourself to be incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded. Now onto the boycott...I guess you better stop using your USB flash drive...Israel invented that. Your laptop probably contains an Intel Pentium chip, so I guess you'll have to stop using that too. If your computer is running Windows XT operating system, you might want to change that now. Now what else has Israel does Israel do? Lets think... They are the world leaders in stem cell research. They developed Copaxone, which is the drug currently used to treat multiple sclerosis. They are the world leader in environmental science...just check out the Smart Drip, which is used in 112 countries. I mean the list goes on...but no doubt you will ignore my request for debate and continue down your path of enmity. So far you have brought no constructive insight to this conversation, and you are simply showing yourself to have absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all. You haven't even managed to respond to my comments about Hamas being a terrorist organisation. I find that quite odd. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:25:56 GMT 1,
Were the French resistance terrorists? Y/N
Were the Stern gang terrorists? Y/N
Are Hamas terrorists? Y/N
Are the PKK terrorists/ Y/N
Were the French resistance terrorists? Y/N
Were the Stern gang terrorists? Y/N
Are Hamas terrorists? Y/N
Are the PKK terrorists/ Y/N
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:37:44 GMT 1, You really don't help yourself do you! Apartheid...really?! There are over a million arabs living in Israel (remember there are only 8 million people that live in Israel, so that's a pretty large percentage of the country), who are fully integrated into Israeli society, have the exact same rights and work side-by-side with Israelis. I have engaged in meaningful debate with you countless times, yet you choose to ignore my questions, and continue to spread hate. What on earth do you think you are achieving? If you had actually been to Israel (countless times, so you claim), you would know better. You are just showing yourself to be incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded. Now onto the boycott...I guess you better stop using your USB flash drive...Israel invented that. Your laptop probably contains an Intel Pentium chip, so I guess you'll have to stop using that too. If your computer is running Windows XT operating system, you might want to change that now. Now what else has Israel does Israel do? Lets think... They are the world leaders in stem cell research. They developed Copaxone, which is the drug currently used to treat multiple sclerosis. They are the world leader in environmental science...just check out the Smart Drip, which is used in 112 countries. I mean the list goes on...but no doubt you will ignore my request for debate and continue down your path of enmity. So far you have brought no constructive insight to this conversation, and you are simply showing yourself to have absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all. You haven't even managed to respond to my comments about Hamas being a terrorist organisation. I find that quite odd.
Your output is classic disinformation, push the positives, repeat the negatives ad nauseum and use emotional language to provoke a response. Its textbook stuff - Putin is doing it now and it is as easy to spot when you know the MO. You posting history is facile, a few harmless comments to make yourself known and then into an argument with a checklist of points to make and repeat until no one can be bothered any more.ITs almost bot like. Good luck - people are wise enough not to be drawn in - we had this on the forum back in the bethlehem ghetto days, but organised web based social media disinformtion was in its infancy and it was just a shoutfest that ended in half the contributiors being banend or storming off. I wont actually engage with yoyu, but hope that anyone viewing this thread is able to see what is going on.
You really don't help yourself do you! Apartheid...really?! There are over a million arabs living in Israel (remember there are only 8 million people that live in Israel, so that's a pretty large percentage of the country), who are fully integrated into Israeli society, have the exact same rights and work side-by-side with Israelis. I have engaged in meaningful debate with you countless times, yet you choose to ignore my questions, and continue to spread hate. What on earth do you think you are achieving? If you had actually been to Israel (countless times, so you claim), you would know better. You are just showing yourself to be incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded. Now onto the boycott...I guess you better stop using your USB flash drive...Israel invented that. Your laptop probably contains an Intel Pentium chip, so I guess you'll have to stop using that too. If your computer is running Windows XT operating system, you might want to change that now. Now what else has Israel does Israel do? Lets think... They are the world leaders in stem cell research. They developed Copaxone, which is the drug currently used to treat multiple sclerosis. They are the world leader in environmental science...just check out the Smart Drip, which is used in 112 countries. I mean the list goes on...but no doubt you will ignore my request for debate and continue down your path of enmity. So far you have brought no constructive insight to this conversation, and you are simply showing yourself to have absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all. You haven't even managed to respond to my comments about Hamas being a terrorist organisation. I find that quite odd. You forgot to mention The development of nuclear weapons with Apartheid South Africa Your output is classic disinformation, push the positives, repeat the negatives ad nauseum and use emotional language to provoke a response. Its textbook stuff - Putin is doing it now and it is as easy to spot when you know the MO. You posting history is facile, a few harmless comments to make yourself known and then into an argument with a checklist of points to make and repeat until no one can be bothered any more.ITs almost bot like. Good luck - people are wise enough not to be drawn in - we had this on the forum back in the bethlehem ghetto days, but organised web based social media disinformtion was in its infancy and it was just a shoutfest that ended in half the contributiors being banend or storming off. I wont actually engage with yoyu, but hope that anyone viewing this thread is able to see what is going on. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 16, 2014 12:15:46 GMT 1, You really don't help yourself do you! Apartheid...really?! There are over a million arabs living in Israel (remember there are only 8 million people that live in Israel, so that's a pretty large percentage of the country), who are fully integrated into Israeli society, have the exact same rights and work side-by-side with Israelis. I have engaged in meaningful debate with you countless times, yet you choose to ignore my questions, and continue to spread hate. What on earth do you think you are achieving? If you had actually been to Israel (countless times, so you claim), you would know better. You are just showing yourself to be incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded. Now onto the boycott...I guess you better stop using your USB flash drive...Israel invented that. Your laptop probably contains an Intel Pentium chip, so I guess you'll have to stop using that too. If your computer is running Windows XT operating system, you might want to change that now. Now what else has Israel does Israel do? Lets think... They are the world leaders in stem cell research. They developed Copaxone, which is the drug currently used to treat multiple sclerosis. They are the world leader in environmental science...just check out the Smart Drip, which is used in 112 countries. I mean the list goes on...but no doubt you will ignore my request for debate and continue down your path of enmity. So far you have brought no constructive insight to this conversation, and you are simply showing yourself to have absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all. You haven't even managed to respond to my comments about Hamas being a terrorist organisation. I find that quite odd. You forgot to mention The development of nuclear weapons with Apartheid South Africa Your output is classic disinformation, push the positives, repeat the negatives ad nauseum and use emotional language to provoke a response. Its textbook stuff - Putin is doing it now and it is as easy to spot when you know the MO. You posting history is facile, a few harmless comments to make yourself known and then into an argument with a checklist of points to make and repeat until no one can be bothered any more.ITs almost bot like. Good luck - people are wise enough not to be drawn in - we had this on the forum back in the bethlehem ghetto days, but organised web based social media disinformtion was in its infancy and it was just a shoutfest that ended in half the contributiors being banend or storming off. I wont actually engage with yoyu, but hope that anyone viewing this thread is able to see what is going on.
So because I have a difference of opinion to you that means I must be part of organised social media disinformation? You have clearly been brainwashed if you truly believe that. That's not to say that it doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean everyone and anyone with a strong opinion must be part of it.
I don't believe I have repeated myself too many times over the course of this thread, some points yes, but that is only with the aim in someone actually responding to me coherently, just as Feral Things did. The rest of you have simply attempted to discredit my opinion by making pathetic claims that I am either being paid to promote my opinions, or that I am part of a social media disinformation conspiracy. The fact that you find it so hard to believe that I might actually be interested in having a debate over the subject just highlights to me not only your stupidity, but also how I find it quite sad that the world media, and internet has so heavily influenced your clarity that you cannot tell what is real and what is not.
I am part of this forum for my love of art, nothing more nothing less, but when I see a thread dedicated to the hatred of Israel, a country that I support, I feel I have every right to speak my mind, just as all of you have. All I have asked for is reasonable debate, if you cannot provide that then don't bother.
I am more than happy for you not to engage with me, I am really not that bothered. If you want to attempt to tarnish my name on this forum then so be it. Anyone that has engaged personally with me on here will know better than to believe the ramblings of someone who is so clearly filled with red that they have lost all logic and perspective.
Surely there couldn't be a person who supports Israel that is willing to debate that isn't part of the system. That must be impossible! I feel sorry for you, being that skeptical, and that close minded would drive me mad.
You really don't help yourself do you! Apartheid...really?! There are over a million arabs living in Israel (remember there are only 8 million people that live in Israel, so that's a pretty large percentage of the country), who are fully integrated into Israeli society, have the exact same rights and work side-by-side with Israelis. I have engaged in meaningful debate with you countless times, yet you choose to ignore my questions, and continue to spread hate. What on earth do you think you are achieving? If you had actually been to Israel (countless times, so you claim), you would know better. You are just showing yourself to be incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded. Now onto the boycott...I guess you better stop using your USB flash drive...Israel invented that. Your laptop probably contains an Intel Pentium chip, so I guess you'll have to stop using that too. If your computer is running Windows XT operating system, you might want to change that now. Now what else has Israel does Israel do? Lets think... They are the world leaders in stem cell research. They developed Copaxone, which is the drug currently used to treat multiple sclerosis. They are the world leader in environmental science...just check out the Smart Drip, which is used in 112 countries. I mean the list goes on...but no doubt you will ignore my request for debate and continue down your path of enmity. So far you have brought no constructive insight to this conversation, and you are simply showing yourself to have absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all. You haven't even managed to respond to my comments about Hamas being a terrorist organisation. I find that quite odd. You forgot to mention The development of nuclear weapons with Apartheid South Africa Your output is classic disinformation, push the positives, repeat the negatives ad nauseum and use emotional language to provoke a response. Its textbook stuff - Putin is doing it now and it is as easy to spot when you know the MO. You posting history is facile, a few harmless comments to make yourself known and then into an argument with a checklist of points to make and repeat until no one can be bothered any more.ITs almost bot like. Good luck - people are wise enough not to be drawn in - we had this on the forum back in the bethlehem ghetto days, but organised web based social media disinformtion was in its infancy and it was just a shoutfest that ended in half the contributiors being banend or storming off. I wont actually engage with yoyu, but hope that anyone viewing this thread is able to see what is going on. So because I have a difference of opinion to you that means I must be part of organised social media disinformation? You have clearly been brainwashed if you truly believe that. That's not to say that it doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean everyone and anyone with a strong opinion must be part of it. I don't believe I have repeated myself too many times over the course of this thread, some points yes, but that is only with the aim in someone actually responding to me coherently, just as Feral Things did. The rest of you have simply attempted to discredit my opinion by making pathetic claims that I am either being paid to promote my opinions, or that I am part of a social media disinformation conspiracy. The fact that you find it so hard to believe that I might actually be interested in having a debate over the subject just highlights to me not only your stupidity, but also how I find it quite sad that the world media, and internet has so heavily influenced your clarity that you cannot tell what is real and what is not. I am part of this forum for my love of art, nothing more nothing less, but when I see a thread dedicated to the hatred of Israel, a country that I support, I feel I have every right to speak my mind, just as all of you have. All I have asked for is reasonable debate, if you cannot provide that then don't bother. I am more than happy for you not to engage with me, I am really not that bothered. If you want to attempt to tarnish my name on this forum then so be it. Anyone that has engaged personally with me on here will know better than to believe the ramblings of someone who is so clearly filled with red that they have lost all logic and perspective. Surely there couldn't be a person who supports Israel that is willing to debate that isn't part of the system. That must be impossible! I feel sorry for you, being that skeptical, and that close minded would drive me mad. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 12:32:57 GMT 1, I won't quote you, as that would just be repeating your obvious State propaganda. Can I ask, are you a volunteer ? or do you get paid per word, sentence ? have you ever served in the Israeli Defense Force ?
We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamenlists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do will change that.
Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/
I won't quote you, as that would just be repeating your obvious State propaganda. Can I ask, are you a volunteer ? or do you get paid per word, sentence ? have you ever served in the Israeli Defense Force ? We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamenlists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/ |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 16, 2014 12:42:10 GMT 1, I won't quote you, as that would just be repeating your obvious State propaganda. Can I ask, are you a volunteer ? or do you get paid per word, sentence ? have you ever served in the Israeli Defense Force ? Do you think Banksy's work in Palestine is in vain ?
What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also.
But I'll humour you regardless...
I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF.
Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you.
I won't quote you, as that would just be repeating your obvious State propaganda. Can I ask, are you a volunteer ? or do you get paid per word, sentence ? have you ever served in the Israeli Defense Force ? Do you think Banksy's work in Palestine is in vain ? What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also. But I'll humour you regardless... I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF. Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 12:49:02 GMT 1, I won't quote you, as that would just be repeating your obvious State propaganda. Can I ask, are you a volunteer ? or do you get paid per word, sentence ? have you ever served in the Israeli Defense Force ? Do you think Banksy's work in Palestine is in vain ? What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also. But I'll humour you regardless... I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF. Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you.
Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/
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I won't quote you, as that would just be repeating your obvious State propaganda. Can I ask, are you a volunteer ? or do you get paid per word, sentence ? have you ever served in the Israeli Defense Force ? Do you think Banksy's work in Palestine is in vain ? What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also. But I'll humour you regardless... I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF. Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you. We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamentalists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do or say will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119283/free-print-giveaway?page=4#ixzz3DTj6VP3x |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 12:51:49 GMT 1, and all I'd like to read is acceptance that it's morally unacceptable to kill innocent people for whatever cause you dare to state
hiding behind other bullshit is just cowardice
and all I'd like to read is acceptance that it's morally unacceptable to kill innocent people for whatever cause you dare to state
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 12:53:32 GMT 1,
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 16, 2014 12:58:27 GMT 1, and all I'd like to read is acceptance that it's morally unacceptable to kill innocent people for whatever cause you dare to state
hiding behind other bulls**t is just cowardice
Yes, I completely agree with you. I have never said otherwise. It is disgusting to kill innocents, whatever the motives, whatever the reasons. My points have been an attempt to educate people on both sides of the story, because it seems there is only one side here. But my views have simply been met with disregard and labelled as propaganda.
Hamas killed innocents during this conflict as well you know! I haven't heard a word of outrage aimed at them though...
and all I'd like to read is acceptance that it's morally unacceptable to kill innocent people for whatever cause you dare to state
hiding behind other bulls**t is just cowardice Yes, I completely agree with you. I have never said otherwise. It is disgusting to kill innocents, whatever the motives, whatever the reasons. My points have been an attempt to educate people on both sides of the story, because it seems there is only one side here. But my views have simply been met with disregard and labelled as propaganda. Hamas killed innocents during this conflict as well you know! I haven't heard a word of outrage aimed at them though... |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 13:02:52 GMT 1, and all I'd like to read is acceptance that it's morally unacceptable to kill innocent people for whatever cause you dare to state
hiding behind other bulls**t is just cowardice Yes, I completely agree with you. I have never said otherwise. It is disgusting to kill innocents, whatever the motives, whatever the reasons. My points have been an attempt to educate people on both sides of the story, because it seems there is only one side here. But my views have simply been met with disregard and labelled as propaganda. Hamas killed innocents during this conflict as well you know! I haven't heard a word of outrage aimed at them though...
fair enough no reasonably minded person will regard the deaths of any innocents as fine, however, it's worth stating the facts on the number of innocents killed by each side in this ongoing conflict, the blood on hands is far far far outweighed by one side wouldn't you say?
It would also be fair to say that whilst one side is heavily funded and has an 'army' the other side does not, and so is therefore classed as a 'terrorist', whether such a definition holds water considering what both sides are willing to do....is worth considering...
and all I'd like to read is acceptance that it's morally unacceptable to kill innocent people for whatever cause you dare to state
hiding behind other bulls**t is just cowardice Yes, I completely agree with you. I have never said otherwise. It is disgusting to kill innocents, whatever the motives, whatever the reasons. My points have been an attempt to educate people on both sides of the story, because it seems there is only one side here. But my views have simply been met with disregard and labelled as propaganda. Hamas killed innocents during this conflict as well you know! I haven't heard a word of outrage aimed at them though...
fair enough no reasonably minded person will regard the deaths of any innocents as fine, however, it's worth stating the facts on the number of innocents killed by each side in this ongoing conflict, the blood on hands is far far far outweighed by one side wouldn't you say?
It would also be fair to say that whilst one side is heavily funded and has an 'army' the other side does not, and so is therefore classed as a 'terrorist', whether such a definition holds water considering what both sides are willing to do....is worth considering...
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 16, 2014 13:04:11 GMT 1, What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also. But I'll humour you regardless... I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF. Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you. We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamentalists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do or say will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119283/free-print-giveaway?page=4#ixzz3DTj6VP3x
You have yet again come back with the same old thing. Stating that there isn't any hatred, appealing to the emotional side of the conflict only and yet again not constructing a single sentence of debate.
You say that it's sad that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. Can I ask, where do you get your information from? Not that you have actually shared any information as of yet, but your opinion must have come from somewhere, right?
What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also. But I'll humour you regardless... I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF. Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you. We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamentalists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do or say will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119283/free-print-giveaway?page=4#ixzz3DTj6VP3xYou have yet again come back with the same old thing. Stating that there isn't any hatred, appealing to the emotional side of the conflict only and yet again not constructing a single sentence of debate. You say that it's sad that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. Can I ask, where do you get your information from? Not that you have actually shared any information as of yet, but your opinion must have come from somewhere, right? |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by oxomo on Sept 16, 2014 13:16:24 GMT 1, Yes, I completely agree with you. I have never said otherwise. It is disgusting to kill innocents, whatever the motives, whatever the reasons. My points have been an attempt to educate people on both sides of the story, because it seems there is only one side here. But my views have simply been met with disregard and labelled as propaganda. Hamas killed innocents during this conflict as well you know! I haven't heard a word of outrage aimed at them though...
fair enough no reasonably minded person will regard the deaths of any innocents as fine, however, it's worth stating the facts on the number of innocents killed by each side in this ongoing conflict, the blood on hands is far far far outweighed by one side wouldn't you say?
It would also be fair to say that whilst one side is heavily funded and has an 'army' the other side does not, and so is therefore classed as a 'terrorist', whether such a definition holds water considering what both sides are willing to do....is worth considering...
Finally, someone willing to have a coherent conversation.
I agree, the numbers are extremely one-sided, and paint a horrible picture of the situation. I revert back to my original comments. I DO NOT condone what Israel has done, or the way that they have done it, but I do believe there needed to be a response. The fact is, that yes Israel has killed far more that Hamas have during this conflict, but that is only due to the Iron Dome. Hamas fired over 4,000 rockets over the two-month conflict. There would have likely been a fair balance in the death tolls had they all hit their targets. Israel should not be condemned for protecting themselves, just as any other country would.
Your comments about a heavily funded army are also correct, but, how can one fund a government that is dedicated to the destruction of another country? Hamas used all (or a large part) of their aid money to rearm themselves and build tunnels. This money should have gone towards investment in irrigation, medicines, school, education, housing etc etc. If Hamas had the military power of israel, I have no doubt in my mind that Israel would already be gone.
Israel did not just let loose on Gaza, Hamas armed themselves, and became a threat to the security of the country.
My issues aren't with Gaza, they are with Hamas. I just don't see how anyone can believe in peace whilst they are in power.
Yes, I completely agree with you. I have never said otherwise. It is disgusting to kill innocents, whatever the motives, whatever the reasons. My points have been an attempt to educate people on both sides of the story, because it seems there is only one side here. But my views have simply been met with disregard and labelled as propaganda. Hamas killed innocents during this conflict as well you know! I haven't heard a word of outrage aimed at them though...
fair enough no reasonably minded person will regard the deaths of any innocents as fine, however, it's worth stating the facts on the number of innocents killed by each side in this ongoing conflict, the blood on hands is far far far outweighed by one side wouldn't you say?
It would also be fair to say that whilst one side is heavily funded and has an 'army' the other side does not, and so is therefore classed as a 'terrorist', whether such a definition holds water considering what both sides are willing to do....is worth considering...
Finally, someone willing to have a coherent conversation. I agree, the numbers are extremely one-sided, and paint a horrible picture of the situation. I revert back to my original comments. I DO NOT condone what Israel has done, or the way that they have done it, but I do believe there needed to be a response. The fact is, that yes Israel has killed far more that Hamas have during this conflict, but that is only due to the Iron Dome. Hamas fired over 4,000 rockets over the two-month conflict. There would have likely been a fair balance in the death tolls had they all hit their targets. Israel should not be condemned for protecting themselves, just as any other country would. Your comments about a heavily funded army are also correct, but, how can one fund a government that is dedicated to the destruction of another country? Hamas used all (or a large part) of their aid money to rearm themselves and build tunnels. This money should have gone towards investment in irrigation, medicines, school, education, housing etc etc. If Hamas had the military power of israel, I have no doubt in my mind that Israel would already be gone. Israel did not just let loose on Gaza, Hamas armed themselves, and became a threat to the security of the country. My issues aren't with Gaza, they are with Hamas. I just don't see how anyone can believe in peace whilst they are in power. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 13:27:08 GMT 1, considering the destruction Israel has rained down on the strip in recent months I would be hard pushed to think much of the state is left and that this is possibly the point? do you also perhaps see that Israel's current overwhelming advantage in this war and 'retaliation' (I use this term in an incredibly guarded fashion) is in fact fuelling Hamas?
considering the destruction Israel has rained down on the strip in recent months I would be hard pushed to think much of the state is left and that this is possibly the point? do you also perhaps see that Israel's current overwhelming advantage in this war and 'retaliation' (I use this term in an incredibly guarded fashion) is in fact fuelling Hamas?
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 13:43:31 GMT 1, Before we kill the humanity, can the admin kill this thread ?
or is there a way not to have specific threads shown in forum...
Rat race!
Oh, it's a disgrace
To see the human-race
In a rat race, rat race!
You got the horse race;
You got the dog race;
You got the human-race;
But this is a rat race, rat race!
Before we kill the humanity, can the admin kill this thread ?
or is there a way not to have specific threads shown in forum...
Rat race!
Oh, it's a disgrace
To see the human-race
In a rat race, rat race!
You got the horse race;
You got the dog race;
You got the human-race;
But this is a rat race, rat race!
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