dreadnatty
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by dreadnatty on Sept 16, 2014 15:26:07 GMT 1, What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also. But I'll humour you regardless... I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF. Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you. We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamentalists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do or say will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119283/free-print-giveaway?page=4#ixzz3DTj6VP3x
The term Apartheid refers to the segregation of groups on the basis of ethnicity or race, and the denial of basic civil rights to the segregated group. There is no such segregation in Israel. Arabs are granted full civil rights under Israeli law, which forbids discrimination on the basis of race, creed, or sex. Arabs take part fully in Israeli society and government. Arab citizens of Israel vote in national elections, have representatives in the Israeli Parliament, sit on the Israeli courts and on the Israeli Supreme Court benches, and serve as tenured professors teaching in Israeli colleges and universities. The Arab citizens of Israel have more rights, and enjoy more freedom, education, and economic opportunity than the Arabs of any Arab state.
What I wrote above to Albert Facksake...clearly applies to you also. But I'll humour you regardless... I live in the UK, I'm not Israeli (not that you asked) and I haven't served in the IDF. Paid per word/sentence...you lot really are a joke aren't you. We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamentalists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do or say will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119283/free-print-giveaway?page=4#ixzz3DTj6VP3xFor the record: The term Apartheid refers to the segregation of groups on the basis of ethnicity or race, and the denial of basic civil rights to the segregated group. There is no such segregation in Israel. Arabs are granted full civil rights under Israeli law, which forbids discrimination on the basis of race, creed, or sex. Arabs take part fully in Israeli society and government. Arab citizens of Israel vote in national elections, have representatives in the Israeli Parliament, sit on the Israeli courts and on the Israeli Supreme Court benches, and serve as tenured professors teaching in Israeli colleges and universities. The Arab citizens of Israel have more rights, and enjoy more freedom, education, and economic opportunity than the Arabs of any Arab state. |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 15:28:00 GMT 1, *cough*
www.wall-of-truth.org/myths/
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dreadnatty
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by dreadnatty on Sept 16, 2014 15:31:50 GMT 1, Is anything stated factually incorrect?
Is anything stated factually incorrect? |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 16:15:27 GMT 1, woosh.
woosh.
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 16:45:10 GMT 1, We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamentalists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do or say will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119283/free-print-giveaway?page=4#ixzz3DTj6VP3xFor the record: The term Apartheid refers to the segregation of groups on the basis of ethnicity or race, and the denial of basic civil rights to the segregated group. There is no such segregation in Israel. Arabs are granted full civil rights under Israeli law, which forbids discrimination on the basis of race, creed, or sex. Arabs take part fully in Israeli society and government. Arab citizens of Israel vote in national elections, have representatives in the Israeli Parliament, sit on the Israeli courts and on the Israeli Supreme Court benches, and serve as tenured professors teaching in Israeli colleges and universities. The Arab citizens of Israel have more rights, and enjoy more freedom, education, and economic opportunity than the Arabs of any Arab state.
We have a difference of opinion, that's it. And again, there's no hatred of Israel, we are not fundamentalists in here my friend, there's just a growing awareness and sadness that a nation has been brainwashed into such racial hatred through media manipulation and lies. There's a growing generational disgust over Israel's inhumane and violent treatment of Palestinians, this will grow and grow until as in South Africa, the Apartheid system that's been imposed will be impossible to ignore and through whatever means, will be dismantled. The battle for hearts and minds has been won by the Palestinian people. Nothing you can do or say will change that. Help end Apartheid. #Boycottisrael www.boycottisrael.org.uk/Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119283/free-print-giveaway?page=4#ixzz3DTj6VP3xFor the record: The term Apartheid refers to the segregation of groups on the basis of ethnicity or race, and the denial of basic civil rights to the segregated group. There is no such segregation in Israel. Arabs are granted full civil rights under Israeli law, which forbids discrimination on the basis of race, creed, or sex. Arabs take part fully in Israeli society and government. Arab citizens of Israel vote in national elections, have representatives in the Israeli Parliament, sit on the Israeli courts and on the Israeli Supreme Court benches, and serve as tenured professors teaching in Israeli colleges and universities. The Arab citizens of Israel have more rights, and enjoy more freedom, education, and economic opportunity than the Arabs of any Arab state. lol |
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 16:51:01 GMT 1, Is anything stated factually incorrect?
Is anything stated factually incorrect? I suggest you go speak to an Arab in Jerusalem |
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jonb
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by jonb on Sept 24, 2014 11:36:00 GMT 1, I read the above posts and wonder.
To say I am anti Israel could be seen as true, but does that mean I am pro Palestinian? It is an almost taken that people are on one side or another. To see what the Israeli government has been doing, which is so objectionable means I have to say they are wrong, this does not mean I would in any way support Hamas.
There is a problem, with argument, at least the conventions of argument that we have on the net etc, that it is modelled on the court room with two opposing teams arguing that this side of a given point on the line is right and the other side is wrong. It is how our spoken language works, linear lines, one dimensional this side that side. Truth is though that is not how things have to be, and visual artists should know this. There is not just one position to look at an object from, we know there are multiple views all of which are important, this knowledge is fundamental to the visual arts.
However when arguing we ignore our knowledge of the visual universe and seek to reduce our points of view down to a simple this side for, that side against.
So a Jewish person who has ties to Israel, will tend not to look at the thing in the round and will seek to justify the actions of the Israeli government. Very few see their connection as a reason to attack the state when it is tyrannical, because they do not want to be seen on the other side of some imaginary linear line, because in this non visual thinking of black and white sides, that action seems to go against everything they are.
The same is true of a person of Palestinian origins.
This unwillingness to criticise our own group, to concentrate on the harm done to us while ignoring the hurt we cause is the problem with our world.
Don't you see the world is becoming more fanatical, more entrenched?
For instance
America seems to think they have the right to bomb, whoever they want whenever they want, and the resistance to that is becoming ever more fundamentalist and fanatical.
Unless we reason that to solve a problem we have to accommodate, rather than crush, the future seems set.
I read the above posts and wonder.
To say I am anti Israel could be seen as true, but does that mean I am pro Palestinian? It is an almost taken that people are on one side or another. To see what the Israeli government has been doing, which is so objectionable means I have to say they are wrong, this does not mean I would in any way support Hamas.
There is a problem, with argument, at least the conventions of argument that we have on the net etc, that it is modelled on the court room with two opposing teams arguing that this side of a given point on the line is right and the other side is wrong. It is how our spoken language works, linear lines, one dimensional this side that side. Truth is though that is not how things have to be, and visual artists should know this. There is not just one position to look at an object from, we know there are multiple views all of which are important, this knowledge is fundamental to the visual arts.
However when arguing we ignore our knowledge of the visual universe and seek to reduce our points of view down to a simple this side for, that side against.
So a Jewish person who has ties to Israel, will tend not to look at the thing in the round and will seek to justify the actions of the Israeli government. Very few see their connection as a reason to attack the state when it is tyrannical, because they do not want to be seen on the other side of some imaginary linear line, because in this non visual thinking of black and white sides, that action seems to go against everything they are.
The same is true of a person of Palestinian origins.
This unwillingness to criticise our own group, to concentrate on the harm done to us while ignoring the hurt we cause is the problem with our world.
Don't you see the world is becoming more fanatical, more entrenched?
For instance
America seems to think they have the right to bomb, whoever they want whenever they want, and the resistance to that is becoming ever more fundamentalist and fanatical.
Unless we reason that to solve a problem we have to accommodate, rather than crush, the future seems set.
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 12:05:40 GMT 1, .
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jonb
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FREE PRINT GIVEAWAY, by jonb on Sept 24, 2014 18:17:01 GMT 1, 'The only language these fanatics understand is the language of force.'
Barack Obama
From a speech given today to the UN
Is that not the line that every fanatic uses to justify themselves?
So it is time to choose your side, do you want to drop bombs from the air or tie them to your waist, this is becoming the only choice you have.
'The only language these fanatics understand is the language of force.'
Barack Obama
From a speech given today to the UN
Is that not the line that every fanatic uses to justify themselves?
So it is time to choose your side, do you want to drop bombs from the air or tie them to your waist, this is becoming the only choice you have.
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