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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by randomname on Oct 8, 2014 4:05:34 GMT 1, Like I said, look at the timeline of his work. Before 2002, everything he did was a one-color stencil (usually black). After that, he started putting down a white base layer like a certain other artist who was fairly well known by then. Banksy had been using stencils since the late 90s. That might not sound like a very big difference, but when you look at the work, this doesn't look too similar to Banksy. Blek takes credit for being the "father of stencil art." Stencil art has been around for at least 1,200 years and stencil graffiti began showing up in NYC in the 60s and 70s. So he didn't invent the stencil and he didn't invent stencil graffiti. If two people choose to paint stencils of people, some similarities are inevitable. So in short, I think the similarities between their work are overstated, especially when you compare Blek's early work to Banksy. I also think Blek has made a pretty good career for himself using Banksy's name every chance he gets. Was gonna find a bunch of pics, but someone did all the hard work for me. imgur.com/a/CEyy3What you fail to mention is blek's pieces without a white layer are on white walls. The images you point to in his timeline even show that. Blek has been making art far longer than banksy, and he certainly wasn't a nobody before banksycame around - especially in france. and your arguement that stencil has been around for 1200 years is ridiclous as you know that's not what they mean when they say that. If you can point to someone who's more well known for doing stencils before blek's time, I welcome hearing about them... Does that look like a white wall that I posted? It looks more like cinder blocks to me. In fact, most of his early images are black stencils on concrete. None of them have a white layer. I can post a few more if you don't believe me. What you can't post is an early Blek piece with a white base layer.
I could post more, but I think you get the idea. Blek's work didn't look all that similar to Banksy until after Banksy.
As far as other stencil artists go, google John Fekner. His work was very well known in NYC in the 70s and 80s, though he was anonymous at the time. When Blek says he was inspired by NYC graffiti artists, he's one of the guys he's talking about.
Like I said, look at the timeline of his work. Before 2002, everything he did was a one-color stencil (usually black). After that, he started putting down a white base layer like a certain other artist who was fairly well known by then. Banksy had been using stencils since the late 90s. That might not sound like a very big difference, but when you look at the work, this doesn't look too similar to Banksy. Blek takes credit for being the "father of stencil art." Stencil art has been around for at least 1,200 years and stencil graffiti began showing up in NYC in the 60s and 70s. So he didn't invent the stencil and he didn't invent stencil graffiti. If two people choose to paint stencils of people, some similarities are inevitable. So in short, I think the similarities between their work are overstated, especially when you compare Blek's early work to Banksy. I also think Blek has made a pretty good career for himself using Banksy's name every chance he gets. Was gonna find a bunch of pics, but someone did all the hard work for me. imgur.com/a/CEyy3What you fail to mention is blek's pieces without a white layer are on white walls. The images you point to in his timeline even show that. Blek has been making art far longer than banksy, and he certainly wasn't a nobody before banksycame around - especially in france. and your arguement that stencil has been around for 1200 years is ridiclous as you know that's not what they mean when they say that. If you can point to someone who's more well known for doing stencils before blek's time, I welcome hearing about them... Does that look like a white wall that I posted? It looks more like cinder blocks to me. In fact, most of his early images are black stencils on concrete. None of them have a white layer. I can post a few more if you don't believe me. What you can't post is an early Blek piece with a white base layer. I could post more, but I think you get the idea. Blek's work didn't look all that similar to Banksy until after Banksy. As far as other stencil artists go, google John Fekner. His work was very well known in NYC in the 70s and 80s, though he was anonymous at the time. When Blek says he was inspired by NYC graffiti artists, he's one of the guys he's talking about.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 4:16:16 GMT 1, Maye I'm just a super noob but this thread is confusing me. How are so many picking up these prints while others can't?
I'm going out on a limb here to say..... Noob.
All that is needed is to follow the link I provided.
Maye I'm just a super noob but this thread is confusing me. How are so many picking up these prints while others can't? I'm going out on a limb here to say..... Noob. All that is needed is to follow the link I provided.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by BKBOI on Oct 8, 2014 4:50:12 GMT 1, lovely debate Blek vs Banksy. no point comparing and no one cares who was first and who followed who. The market and instituitons have already decided that Banksy's works are more important and hence the prices. Should spend more time analyzing how Norwegian artists that followed after Dolk fame are commanding higher prices than this guy who has been doing stencil art on the streets since the early 90's.
lovely debate Blek vs Banksy. no point comparing and no one cares who was first and who followed who. The market and instituitons have already decided that Banksy's works are more important and hence the prices. Should spend more time analyzing how Norwegian artists that followed after Dolk fame are commanding higher prices than this guy who has been doing stencil art on the streets since the early 90's.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by WOOF on Oct 8, 2014 5:16:00 GMT 1, Should spend more time analyzing how Norwegian artists that followed after Dolk fame are commanding higher prices than this guy who has been doing stencil art on the streets since the early 90's.
Srsly.
Should spend more time analyzing how Norwegian artists that followed after Dolk fame are commanding higher prices than this guy who has been doing stencil art on the streets since the early 90's. Srsly.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 7:22:38 GMT 1, Not another Blek vs Banksy debate !!!
randomname - we have heard your opinion, stencil has been here for 1200 years but Banksy is the inventor of white background lol Truth and fact is that when Blek was doing stencil in the 80s, Banksy was a baby. Point.
Not another Blek vs Banksy debate !!! randomname - we have heard your opinion, stencil has been here for 1200 years but Banksy is the inventor of white background lol Truth and fact is that when Blek was doing stencil in the 80s, Banksy was a baby. Point.
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randomname
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by randomname on Oct 8, 2014 15:01:30 GMT 1, Not another Blek vs Banksy debate !!! randomname - we have heard your opinion, stencil has been here for 1200 years but Banksy is the inventor of white background lol Truth and fact is that when Blek was doing stencil in the 80s, Banksy was a baby. Point. The point seems to have gone over your head. Their styles didn't look all that similar until Blek changed his to look more similar. When you compare Banksy's work to what Blek did in the 80s, they don't look much alike.
You might also notice that Blek quit painting stencils around 1992. For almost a decade, he only wheat pasted posters. Then in the early 2000s, the stencils came back looking significantly different than before.
Also, before Banksy came along, Blek was pretty damn obscure. It's hard to imagine that a ten-year-old kid living in Bristol would be aware of some random graffiti in Paris that was mostly buffed within weeks or days. Life was a little different before the internet.
Not another Blek vs Banksy debate !!! randomname - we have heard your opinion, stencil has been here for 1200 years but Banksy is the inventor of white background lol Truth and fact is that when Blek was doing stencil in the 80s, Banksy was a baby. Point. The point seems to have gone over your head. Their styles didn't look all that similar until Blek changed his to look more similar. When you compare Banksy's work to what Blek did in the 80s, they don't look much alike. You might also notice that Blek quit painting stencils around 1992. For almost a decade, he only wheat pasted posters. Then in the early 2000s, the stencils came back looking significantly different than before. Also, before Banksy came along, Blek was pretty damn obscure. It's hard to imagine that a ten-year-old kid living in Bristol would be aware of some random graffiti in Paris that was mostly buffed within weeks or days. Life was a little different before the internet.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 8, 2014 15:19:30 GMT 1, lovely debate Blek vs Banksy. no point comparing and no one cares who was first and who followed who. The market and instituitons have already decided that Banksy's works are more important and hence the prices. Should spend more time analyzing how Norwegian artists that followed after Dolk fame are commanding higher prices than this guy who has been doing stencil art on the streets since the early 90's.
That's the irony. Everyone is so obsessed with how the market and institutions have decided.
Isn't street art suppose to be sans market and institution?
lovely debate Blek vs Banksy. no point comparing and no one cares who was first and who followed who. The market and instituitons have already decided that Banksy's works are more important and hence the prices. Should spend more time analyzing how Norwegian artists that followed after Dolk fame are commanding higher prices than this guy who has been doing stencil art on the streets since the early 90's. That's the irony. Everyone is so obsessed with how the market and institutions have decided. Isn't street art suppose to be sans market and institution?
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by balibob on Oct 8, 2014 15:22:16 GMT 1, In an effort to get back to the point, I like his new images, shame I've only just seen this thread.
In an effort to get back to the point, I like his new images, shame I've only just seen this thread.
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BKBOI
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by BKBOI on Oct 8, 2014 16:11:36 GMT 1, Trying to see if I can make it tonight. Is it by invitation only? I bought a print from the show, hope that at least gets me an invite as well.
Trying to see if I can make it tonight. Is it by invitation only? I bought a print from the show, hope that at least gets me an invite as well.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by WOOF on Oct 8, 2014 16:26:47 GMT 1, Trying to see if I can make it tonight. Is it by invitation only? I bought a print from the show, hope that at least gets me an invite as well. If you bought a print, you're RSVP'd as far as I know. That said, I'd just click join on the fb invite since that's what they're using for the list IIRC.
Trying to see if I can make it tonight. Is it by invitation only? I bought a print from the show, hope that at least gets me an invite as well. If you bought a print, you're RSVP'd as far as I know. That said, I'd just click join on the fb invite since that's what they're using for the list IIRC.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by BKBOI on Oct 8, 2014 16:57:34 GMT 1, just got a confirmation from DK. Looking forward to the show tonight.
just got a confirmation from DK. Looking forward to the show tonight.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by robertjones on Oct 8, 2014 17:38:29 GMT 1, Pics of the show tonight plz
Pics of the show tonight plz
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by cerulean on Oct 8, 2014 22:02:58 GMT 1, Looking forward to the opening tonight and catching up with forum members! Who else is going?
Looking forward to the opening tonight and catching up with forum members! Who else is going?
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BKBOI
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by BKBOI on Oct 8, 2014 23:41:22 GMT 1,
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by BKBOI on Oct 8, 2014 23:43:09 GMT 1,
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by samfrost on Oct 9, 2014 0:22:48 GMT 1, Good wine, great art. Nice setting to chat with him as well.
Good wine, great art. Nice setting to chat with him as well.
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BKBOI
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by BKBOI on Oct 9, 2014 1:13:09 GMT 1, and no tube for peeps picking up their print
and no tube for peeps picking up their print
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by mega on Oct 9, 2014 1:26:17 GMT 1, So bummed I missed it...I was supposed to be there... Thanks for the pics!!
So bummed I missed it...I was supposed to be there... Thanks for the pics!!
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by cmodart on Oct 9, 2014 1:59:47 GMT 1, Snagged a ballerina. Those monos are amazing together.
Snagged a ballerina. Those monos are amazing together.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by sincebyman on Oct 9, 2014 2:17:37 GMT 1, Would really like a violinist, but it appears pre sales are closed.
Would really like a violinist, but it appears pre sales are closed.
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by yoyosh on Oct 9, 2014 2:22:43 GMT 1, Thanks for posting pix, looking forward to this print arriving
Thanks for posting pix, looking forward to this print arriving
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by thisisanton on Oct 9, 2014 2:27:57 GMT 1, Any sightings of rats?
Any sightings of rats?
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by bone on Oct 9, 2014 2:31:17 GMT 1, Is there a meaning behind the images in the show?
Is there a meaning behind the images in the show?
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BKBOI
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by BKBOI on Oct 9, 2014 2:49:51 GMT 1, last one and I am done
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by mouser on Oct 9, 2014 2:55:31 GMT 1, blek le balerina sorta sounds less street somehow....
blek le balerina sorta sounds less street somehow....
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by skendo1 on Oct 9, 2014 3:26:10 GMT 1, Anybody want a show card?
Anybody want a show card?
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Oct 9, 2014 6:12:34 GMT 1, Anybody want a show card? Yes please
Anybody want a show card? Yes please
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robertjones
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Blek le Rat show in NYC Weds Oct 8, by robertjones on Oct 9, 2014 8:28:45 GMT 1, Anybody want a show card?
Yes plz
Anybody want a show card? Yes plz
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