All HYPE or REAL talent?, by Hairbland on Nov 1, 2014 22:24:39 GMT 1,

Nov 1, 2014 17:11:54 GMT 1 @hxfour said:

Thats a tough comparison with Schnabel and Basquiat as one is still alive, and still doing amazing work.

I think youre comparing hype, with longevity, not necessarily talent. I got into art and the industry in 1996 and bought into street artists before the bubbles. Kaws was one of them, I noticed his graffiti in The Source magazine in the mid 90's and then really started following back in 99-01 when he created the character. Futura, Twist, Kostas Seremetis, Flores, Mars1, Revok, etc etc etc. Had my eye on them from the mid nineties, and theyve all proven themselves to this day.

Zacharevic, I believe is incredible. Im not talking about prints here, Im talking about art, and talent and conceptual ideas, skill. The guy can paint. Banksy can paint, hes proven that, and his marketing and brand positioning is stellar. Chevrier can clearly paint, and excites me, plus shes Canadian, which is why I have 2 original pieces.

Faile - No comment. Flat out dislike the work.

I completely agree with your Kaws statement, he's jumped into high art and has made an incredible career, I love his work and wish I could jump into the originals. Add banksy in that list, he's going very very strong and I dont see it slowing down, wether he's caught or not. High artists like Koons, Oehlen, and a bunch of others could easily keep it up, and are producing awesome work. Id kill for a Koons dog, and an Oehlen abstract. Id have to sell the house though.

Harrington and Chloe Early, sure, theyre great. Talented, and loved, but theres a million artists in a similar style. I prefer Early over Harrington, more feminine and soft which im drawn to.

I know this forum loves its prints, and since joining ive bought a couple I wouldnt have known about otherwise, but those prints will never determine an artists career or longevity. The important originals and the street pieces will. When looking at these artists and their works, consider the importance of their works to this complete era and genre of art, are these artists works amongst the most important of the genre? And which pieces are the most important works by the artist? many artists on this forum dont make that list.

No I was comparing talent as a NYCer when they were both alive and happening what I experienced was a bit of a snickering re Schnabel...and he did move on to direct the Basquiat movie, which opened doors to at least a second movie and producing Lou Reed's Berlin in Brooklyn. I wasn't aware of new art work at all, much less any that might be good.

But I think the discussion is good because it involves a bit of history, current affairs and personal biases.

Nov 1, 2014 17:11:54 GMT 1 @hxfour said:

Thats a tough comparison with Schnabel and Basquiat as one is still alive, and still doing amazing work.

I think youre comparing hype, with longevity, not necessarily talent. I got into art and the industry in 1996 and bought into street artists before the bubbles. Kaws was one of them, I noticed his graffiti in The Source magazine in the mid 90's and then really started following back in 99-01 when he created the character. Futura, Twist, Kostas Seremetis, Flores, Mars1, Revok, etc etc etc. Had my eye on them from the mid nineties, and theyve all proven themselves to this day.

Zacharevic, I believe is incredible. Im not talking about prints here, Im talking about art, and talent and conceptual ideas, skill. The guy can paint. Banksy can paint, hes proven that, and his marketing and brand positioning is stellar. Chevrier can clearly paint, and excites me, plus shes Canadian, which is why I have 2 original pieces.

Faile - No comment. Flat out dislike the work.

I completely agree with your Kaws statement, he's jumped into high art and has made an incredible career, I love his work and wish I could jump into the originals. Add banksy in that list, he's going very very strong and I dont see it slowing down, wether he's caught or not. High artists like Koons, Oehlen, and a bunch of others could easily keep it up, and are producing awesome work. Id kill for a Koons dog, and an Oehlen abstract. Id have to sell the house though.

Harrington and Chloe Early, sure, theyre great. Talented, and loved, but theres a million artists in a similar style. I prefer Early over Harrington, more feminine and soft which im drawn to.

I know this forum loves its prints, and since joining ive bought a couple I wouldnt have known about otherwise, but those prints will never determine an artists career or longevity. The important originals and the street pieces will. When looking at these artists and their works, consider the importance of their works to this complete era and genre of art, are these artists works amongst the most important of the genre? And which pieces are the most important works by the artist? many artists on this forum dont make that list.

No I was comparing talent as a NYCer when they were both alive and happening what I experienced was a bit of a snickering re Schnabel...and he did move on to direct the Basquiat movie, which opened doors to at least a second movie and producing Lou Reed's Berlin in Brooklyn. I wasn't aware of new art work at all, much less any that might be good.

But I think the discussion is good because it involves a bit of history, current affairs and personal biases.