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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 22:08:39 GMT 1, Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me?
What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings?
Need to work that one out first.....
Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me?
What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings?
Need to work that one out first.....
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 9, 2015 22:13:40 GMT 1, Yes, you have correctly quoted me there BUT then you have then said at the bottom of your like seeking post that I have condemned a whole religion! WTF are you on? Where did I say that?
Maybe I shouldn't have written it, maybe I made a boo boo BUT at least I said what I wanted at the time - without fear of reproach.
So, if you and others want to continue looking from afar with words of wisdom and that of peace and love (which I also believe for anyone except wrong doers of such heinous crimes) then do so. The world needs a new approach to deal with extremists and a deterrent. My suggestion was obviously not the right one!!
But yes it was wrong to say put their (innocent) families through a meat grinder. Said in haste. But I refuse to accept that 100% of families do not know, in support or not, where their sons/daughters are going (training purposes etc) and if their attitudes to others is wavering to a point they can become radicalised?
And hxfour I hope to God you're not even daring to suggest I'm racist? Just got onto that... If so PM me too.
Yes, you have correctly quoted me there BUT then you have then said at the bottom of your like seeking post that I have condemned a whole religion! WTF are you on? Where did I say that?
Maybe I shouldn't have written it, maybe I made a boo boo BUT at least I said what I wanted at the time - without fear of reproach.
So, if you and others want to continue looking from afar with words of wisdom and that of peace and love (which I also believe for anyone except wrong doers of such heinous crimes) then do so. The world needs a new approach to deal with extremists and a deterrent. My suggestion was obviously not the right one!!
But yes it was wrong to say put their (innocent) families through a meat grinder. Said in haste. But I refuse to accept that 100% of families do not know, in support or not, where their sons/daughters are going (training purposes etc) and if their attitudes to others is wavering to a point they can become radicalised?
And hxfour I hope to God you're not even daring to suggest I'm racist? Just got onto that... If so PM me too.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 22:22:02 GMT 1, Yes, you have correctly quoted me there BUT then you have then said at the bottom of your like seeking post that I have condemned a whole religion! WTF are you on? Where did I say that? Maybe I shouldn't have written it, maybe I made a boo boo BUT at least I said what I wanted at the time - without fear of reproach. So, if you and others want to continue looking from afar with words of wisdom and that of peace and love (which I also believe for anyone except wrong doers of such heinous crimes) then do so. The world needs a new approach to deal with extremists and a deterrent. My suggestion was obviously not the right one!! But yes it was wrong to say put their (innocent) families through a meat grinder. Said in haste. But I refuse to accept that 100% of families do not know, in support or not, where their sons/daughters are going (training purposes etc) and if their attitudes to others is wavering to a point they can become radicalised? And hxfour I hope to God you're not even daring to suggest I'm racist? Just got onto that... If so PM me too. No, I wasnt. I dont know you. I was comparing the prosecution of the entire muslim religion based on these events, to the actions of the KKK and their "Christian" ways. We dont prosecute all Christians based on the KKK's heinous actions.
Yes, you have correctly quoted me there BUT then you have then said at the bottom of your like seeking post that I have condemned a whole religion! WTF are you on? Where did I say that? Maybe I shouldn't have written it, maybe I made a boo boo BUT at least I said what I wanted at the time - without fear of reproach. So, if you and others want to continue looking from afar with words of wisdom and that of peace and love (which I also believe for anyone except wrong doers of such heinous crimes) then do so. The world needs a new approach to deal with extremists and a deterrent. My suggestion was obviously not the right one!! But yes it was wrong to say put their (innocent) families through a meat grinder. Said in haste. But I refuse to accept that 100% of families do not know, in support or not, where their sons/daughters are going (training purposes etc) and if their attitudes to others is wavering to a point they can become radicalised? And hxfour I hope to God you're not even daring to suggest I'm racist? Just got onto that... If so PM me too. No, I wasnt. I dont know you. I was comparing the prosecution of the entire muslim religion based on these events, to the actions of the KKK and their "Christian" ways. We dont prosecute all Christians based on the KKK's heinous actions.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 9, 2015 22:31:46 GMT 1, Okay, thanks for the clarification.
The world isn't demonising the entire Muslim religion either. Most people know that the majority of any religion is peaceful. It's the minority that are ironically demonising their own faith. Yes, the world has a right to be scared, but it's up to us now to decide if we feel threatened or recognise the atrocities of a few.
The KKK were scum in my eyes. Coming from Liverpool which has the most listed buildings outside of London - built on the back of the slave trade, is also sickening to me. I didn't believe in the IRA's campaign, especially when it came close to Liverpool when they targeted Manchester & Warrington. There are plenty of things we don't agree with in history...
It is the current threat we are facing that is the most worrying. I have children. I cannot even begin to imagine walking about shopping with them one day or visiting another city and being caught up in a terrorist attack. But in the present day, it's at the back of all our minds that we are indeed vulnerable to such an attack and our mortality at stake.
I also accept you're just as likely to get hit by a bus, stabbed by a hooligan from the locality etc It's just frightening continually seeing this threat (in the name of Islam - wrongly!) on the news all the time and the promises these radicals make to destroy our way of life.
Okay, thanks for the clarification.
The world isn't demonising the entire Muslim religion either. Most people know that the majority of any religion is peaceful. It's the minority that are ironically demonising their own faith. Yes, the world has a right to be scared, but it's up to us now to decide if we feel threatened or recognise the atrocities of a few.
The KKK were scum in my eyes. Coming from Liverpool which has the most listed buildings outside of London - built on the back of the slave trade, is also sickening to me. I didn't believe in the IRA's campaign, especially when it came close to Liverpool when they targeted Manchester & Warrington. There are plenty of things we don't agree with in history...
It is the current threat we are facing that is the most worrying. I have children. I cannot even begin to imagine walking about shopping with them one day or visiting another city and being caught up in a terrorist attack. But in the present day, it's at the back of all our minds that we are indeed vulnerable to such an attack and our mortality at stake.
I also accept you're just as likely to get hit by a bus, stabbed by a hooligan from the locality etc It's just frightening continually seeing this threat (in the name of Islam - wrongly!) on the news all the time and the promises these radicals make to destroy our way of life.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by tab1 on Jan 9, 2015 22:37:03 GMT 1, Firstly, my thoughts go out to the victims of this terrible attack and their friends and family. I have avoided commenting on some of the posts until now because it felt like the immediate aftermath should be a time to think of the victims but thereโs some comments on this and the other thread which I donโt think should pass without comment. The forum has known a few lows over the years but nothing on a level with Liverpool ste123 advocating that we should โ Round their families up, if theyโre involved or not and put them through a meat grinderโ. The suggestion, without a hint of irony or apology, that innocent people should be murdered because of the actions of their relatives is absolutely abhorrent to myself and I'm sure many others. Islam is not a homogenous religion and Sufi Islam bears no more resemblance to Wahhabi Islam than the Quakers bear to the Woodboro Baptist Church.ย The Christian extremist group the Lordโs Resistance Army have killed 100k people in Uganda since the 1990s, Hindu extremists killed 970 people during the 2002 Gujarat Riots and Buddhist extremists have committed scores of massacres in Burma since 2013.ย Iโm an atheist but I regard someoneโs right to practice their religion to be a fundamental freedom.ย Atheist extremists killed tens of thousands of people during the rule of the Khmer Rouge because their victims held conventional religion beliefs.ย Islamic extremism is no more an 'Islamic problem' than the atrocities above are Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or atheist problems.ย The vast, vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by Islamic extremism and the Charlie Hebdo attack as the vast, vast majority of non-Muslims and they recognise nothing of their beliefs in what these extremists are doing.ย Surely the answer is more understanding and compassion, not condemning an entire religion or the people that believe in that religion.ย As I said at the top, my thoughts go out to the victims and their families.
This crime has bought out a lot of anger in people .. Don't know the Liverpoolste but previously he's always posting , buying up lots of art , seemed a fun guy but obviously a lot of anger this has bought up and shows issues towards a set community but it's not going to help the situation or make things better by being angry and negative .
Maybe these guys / extremists wanted to break society and cause infighting and civil unrest ? Maybe it's starting to work?!
Firstly, my thoughts go out to the victims of this terrible attack and their friends and family. I have avoided commenting on some of the posts until now because it felt like the immediate aftermath should be a time to think of the victims but thereโs some comments on this and the other thread which I donโt think should pass without comment. The forum has known a few lows over the years but nothing on a level with Liverpool ste123 advocating that we should โ Round their families up, if theyโre involved or not and put them through a meat grinderโ. The suggestion, without a hint of irony or apology, that innocent people should be murdered because of the actions of their relatives is absolutely abhorrent to myself and I'm sure many others. Islam is not a homogenous religion and Sufi Islam bears no more resemblance to Wahhabi Islam than the Quakers bear to the Woodboro Baptist Church.ย The Christian extremist group the Lordโs Resistance Army have killed 100k people in Uganda since the 1990s, Hindu extremists killed 970 people during the 2002 Gujarat Riots and Buddhist extremists have committed scores of massacres in Burma since 2013.ย Iโm an atheist but I regard someoneโs right to practice their religion to be a fundamental freedom.ย Atheist extremists killed tens of thousands of people during the rule of the Khmer Rouge because their victims held conventional religion beliefs.ย Islamic extremism is no more an 'Islamic problem' than the atrocities above are Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or atheist problems.ย The vast, vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by Islamic extremism and the Charlie Hebdo attack as the vast, vast majority of non-Muslims and they recognise nothing of their beliefs in what these extremists are doing.ย Surely the answer is more understanding and compassion, not condemning an entire religion or the people that believe in that religion.ย As I said at the top, my thoughts go out to the victims and their families. This crime has bought out a lot of anger in people .. Don't know the Liverpoolste but previously he's always posting , buying up lots of art , seemed a fun guy but obviously a lot of anger this has bought up and shows issues towards a set community but it's not going to help the situation or make things better by being angry and negative . Maybe these guys / extremists wanted to break society and cause infighting and civil unrest ? Maybe it's starting to work?!
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 22:48:58 GMT 1, There's few active contributors who haven't posted in haste and repented at leisure when it's come back and kicked them up the arse.
We are fed what the media want us to see unless we see it for ourselves.
There's few active contributors who haven't posted in haste and repented at leisure when it's come back and kicked them up the arse.
We are fed what the media want us to see unless we see it for ourselves.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by dreadnatty on Jan 9, 2015 22:49:27 GMT 1, Firstly, my thoughts go out to the victims of this terrible attack and their friends and family. I have avoided commenting on some of the posts until now because it felt like the immediate aftermath should be a time to think of the victims but thereโs some comments on this and the other thread which I donโt think should pass without comment. The forum has known a few lows over the years but nothing on a level with Liverpool ste123 advocating that we should โ Round their families up, if theyโre involved or not and put them through a meat grinderโ. The suggestion, without a hint of irony or apology, that innocent people should be murdered because of the actions of their relatives is absolutely abhorrent to myself and I'm sure many others. Islam is not a homogenous religion and Sufi Islam bears no more resemblance to Wahhabi Islam than the Quakers bear to the Woodboro Baptist Church. The Christian extremist group the Lordโs Resistance Army have killed 100k people in Uganda since the 1990s, Hindu extremists killed 970 people during the 2002 Gujarat Riots and Buddhist extremists have committed scores of massacres in Burma since 2013. Iโm an atheist but I regard someoneโs right to practice their religion to be a fundamental freedom. Atheist extremists killed tens of thousands of people during the rule of the Khmer Rouge because their victims held conventional religion beliefs. Islamic extremism is no more an 'Islamic problem' than the atrocities above are Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or atheist problems. The vast, vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by Islamic extremism and the Charlie Hebdo attack as the vast, vast majority of non-Muslims and they recognise nothing of their beliefs in what these extremists are doing. Surely the answer is more understanding and compassion, not condemning an entire religion or the people that believe in that religion. As I said at the top, my thoughts go out to the victims and their families. This crime has bought out a lot of anger in people .. Don't know the Liverpoolste but previously he's always posting , buying up lots of art , seemed a fun guy but obviously a lot of anger this has bought up and shows issues towards a set community but it's not going to help the situation or make things better by being angry and negative . Maybe these guys / extremists wanted to break society and cause infighting and civil unrest ? Maybe it's starting to work?! They mince no words as to what they want - an Islamic caliphate ruled by sharia. Convert to their brand of Islam or die. They will use ANY means at their disposal to get there. Used to be confined to murdering people in places that most people didnt care about but have grown to realize that its much more effective doing it in the West.
Firstly, my thoughts go out to the victims of this terrible attack and their friends and family. I have avoided commenting on some of the posts until now because it felt like the immediate aftermath should be a time to think of the victims but thereโs some comments on this and the other thread which I donโt think should pass without comment. The forum has known a few lows over the years but nothing on a level with Liverpool ste123 advocating that we should โ Round their families up, if theyโre involved or not and put them through a meat grinderโ. The suggestion, without a hint of irony or apology, that innocent people should be murdered because of the actions of their relatives is absolutely abhorrent to myself and I'm sure many others. Islam is not a homogenous religion and Sufi Islam bears no more resemblance to Wahhabi Islam than the Quakers bear to the Woodboro Baptist Church. The Christian extremist group the Lordโs Resistance Army have killed 100k people in Uganda since the 1990s, Hindu extremists killed 970 people during the 2002 Gujarat Riots and Buddhist extremists have committed scores of massacres in Burma since 2013. Iโm an atheist but I regard someoneโs right to practice their religion to be a fundamental freedom. Atheist extremists killed tens of thousands of people during the rule of the Khmer Rouge because their victims held conventional religion beliefs. Islamic extremism is no more an 'Islamic problem' than the atrocities above are Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or atheist problems. The vast, vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by Islamic extremism and the Charlie Hebdo attack as the vast, vast majority of non-Muslims and they recognise nothing of their beliefs in what these extremists are doing. Surely the answer is more understanding and compassion, not condemning an entire religion or the people that believe in that religion. As I said at the top, my thoughts go out to the victims and their families. This crime has bought out a lot of anger in people .. Don't know the Liverpoolste but previously he's always posting , buying up lots of art , seemed a fun guy but obviously a lot of anger this has bought up and shows issues towards a set community but it's not going to help the situation or make things better by being angry and negative . Maybe these guys / extremists wanted to break society and cause infighting and civil unrest ? Maybe it's starting to work?! They mince no words as to what they want - an Islamic caliphate ruled by sharia. Convert to their brand of Islam or die. They will use ANY means at their disposal to get there. Used to be confined to murdering people in places that most people didnt care about but have grown to realize that its much more effective doing it in the West.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Black Apple Art on Jan 9, 2015 23:02:21 GMT 1, Over 2000 people! Insanity and yes, amazing what is considered "news worthy" and not.
Over 2000 people! Insanity and yes, amazing what is considered "news worthy" and not.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 23:03:20 GMT 1, The world is a scary place.
The world is a scary place.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by dreadnatty on Jan 9, 2015 23:08:08 GMT 1, Over 2000 people! Insanity and yes, amazing what is considered "news worthy" and not. "District head Baba Abba Hassan said most victims are children, women and elderly people who could not run fast enough when insurgents drove into Baga, firing rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles on town residents."
Over 2000 people! Insanity and yes, amazing what is considered "news worthy" and not. "District head Baba Abba Hassan said most victims are children, women and elderly people who could not run fast enough when insurgents drove into Baga, firing rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles on town residents."
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 23:09:06 GMT 1, The world is a scary place. They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be.
Peace
The world is a scary place. They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace
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Everybody okay in paris?, by WILLYBKLN on Jan 9, 2015 23:10:15 GMT 1, "The 5-year insurgency killed more than 10,000 people last year alone"....horrible.
"The 5-year insurgency killed more than 10,000 people last year alone"....horrible.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by pollywaffle on Jan 9, 2015 23:12:43 GMT 1, MBW posted this on Instagram. I wonder when they go on sale /sarcasm
Australia is waking up at the moment to see the outcome of these events on the news. Like I said before, it's looking a tad familiar and a little scary from what happened in Sydney a couple of weeks ago (which is only 15 minutes from my house). All of our thoughts from Australia are with the innocent, poor people involved in this. It's very heartbreaking.
MBW posted this on Instagram. I wonder when they go on sale /sarcasm Australia is waking up at the moment to see the outcome of these events on the news. Like I said before, it's looking a tad familiar and a little scary from what happened in Sydney a couple of weeks ago (which is only 15 minutes from my house). All of our thoughts from Australia are with the innocent, poor people involved in this. It's very heartbreaking.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 23:17:17 GMT 1, The world is a scary place. They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace
What's is scary are the numbers of people dying at the hands of other people in their families, of cancers caused by food we're sold and because people don't have clean water.
However Murdoch and his ilk see no money for himself and his powerful friends in these 'things'.
As for Isis empower the people , help those isolated in our society you'll cut off their supplies of followers, again that's not sexy and doesn't follow the prescribed fear narrative ...
The world is a scary place. They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace What's is scary are the numbers of people dying at the hands of other people in their families, of cancers caused by food we're sold and because people don't have clean water. However Murdoch and his ilk see no money for himself and his powerful friends in these 'things'. As for Isis empower the people , help those isolated in our society you'll cut off their supplies of followers, again that's not sexy and doesn't follow the prescribed fear narrative ...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 9, 2015 23:19:14 GMT 1, Tabtab I want to make it perfectly clear I am not addressing Muslims. I have 6 mates who are Muslim. I have mixed race in my family including Arabic and African.
I do not like ISIS, I do not like extremists and the like... And all the atrocities not making the news is scary. The genocide in whole countries of Africa. The decimation of entire villages/towns because they won't submit to a certain religion etc is barbaric. Medieval even. And makes you wonder who really does control the world? The media is one massive tool and thanks to the likes of artists like Banksy etc, only then can we challenge that by images we universally understand.
Tabtab I want to make it perfectly clear I am not addressing Muslims. I have 6 mates who are Muslim. I have mixed race in my family including Arabic and African.
I do not like ISIS, I do not like extremists and the like... And all the atrocities not making the news is scary. The genocide in whole countries of Africa. The decimation of entire villages/towns because they won't submit to a certain religion etc is barbaric. Medieval even. And makes you wonder who really does control the world? The media is one massive tool and thanks to the likes of artists like Banksy etc, only then can we challenge that by images we universally understand.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 23:21:59 GMT 1, The world is a scary place. They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace true. Sadly, fear sells
The world is a scary place. They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace true. Sadly, fear sells
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 23:23:40 GMT 1, They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace What's is scary are the numbers of people dying at the hands of other people in their families, of cancers caused by food we're sold and because people don't have clean water. However Murdoch and his ilk see no money for himself and his powerful friends in these 'things'. As for Isis empower the people , help those isolated in our society you'll cut off their supplies of followers, again that's not sexy and doesn't follow the prescribed fear narrative ... Quite worrying that Murdoch holds the key but is unwilling to turn the lock.
They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace What's is scary are the numbers of people dying at the hands of other people in their families, of cancers caused by food we're sold and because people don't have clean water. However Murdoch and his ilk see no money for himself and his powerful friends in these 'things'. As for Isis empower the people , help those isolated in our society you'll cut off their supplies of followers, again that's not sexy and doesn't follow the prescribed fear narrative ... Quite worrying that Murdoch holds the key but is unwilling to turn the lock.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Edge on Jan 9, 2015 23:27:33 GMT 1, MBW posted this on Instagram. I wonder when they go on sale /sarcasm Australia is waking up at the moment to see the outcome of these events on the news. Like I said before, it's looking a tad familiar and a little scary from what happened in Sydney a couple of weeks ago (which is only 15 minutes from my house). All of our thoughts from Australia are with the innocent, poor people involved in this. It's very heartbreaking.
MBW is Freddy Krueger...
MBW posted this on Instagram. I wonder when they go on sale /sarcasm Australia is waking up at the moment to see the outcome of these events on the news. Like I said before, it's looking a tad familiar and a little scary from what happened in Sydney a couple of weeks ago (which is only 15 minutes from my house). All of our thoughts from Australia are with the innocent, poor people involved in this. It's very heartbreaking. MBW is Freddy Krueger...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 23:40:15 GMT 1, They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace What's is scary are the numbers of people dying at the hands of other people in their families, of cancers caused by food we're sold and because people don't have clean water. However Murdoch and his ilk see no money for himself and his powerful friends in these 'things'. As for Isis empower the people , help those isolated in our society you'll cut off their supplies of followers, again that's not sexy and doesn't follow the prescribed fear narrative ... This is true, massive cuts in social services, youth programs, youth clubs, family allowances, evening classes, libraries, education, care homes, psychiatry, health care, family planning, integration and general social programs, combined with the constant demonising of a race through a media owned by those who profit from the "war on terror" leads us to where we are, can in fact only lead us to this point. The ravaging and pillaging of countries resources through bombs and torture (for profit) can only lead to the radicalisation of small sections of a disenfranchised and rootless youth searching for some sort of meaning beyond a consumer driven culture that they're locked out of (think London riots), the torture and barbarism shown in Iraq is just a click away. When you have nothing to live for, some will look for something to die for.
They generally want us to think that, but in reality, it's also a safe, beautiful, wonderous, fascinating and inspiring place to be. Peace What's is scary are the numbers of people dying at the hands of other people in their families, of cancers caused by food we're sold and because people don't have clean water. However Murdoch and his ilk see no money for himself and his powerful friends in these 'things'. As for Isis empower the people , help those isolated in our society you'll cut off their supplies of followers, again that's not sexy and doesn't follow the prescribed fear narrative ... This is true, massive cuts in social services, youth programs, youth clubs, family allowances, evening classes, libraries, education, care homes, psychiatry, health care, family planning, integration and general social programs, combined with the constant demonising of a race through a media owned by those who profit from the "war on terror" leads us to where we are, can in fact only lead us to this point. The ravaging and pillaging of countries resources through bombs and torture (for profit) can only lead to the radicalisation of small sections of a disenfranchised and rootless youth searching for some sort of meaning beyond a consumer driven culture that they're locked out of (think London riots), the torture and barbarism shown in Iraq is just a click away. When you have nothing to live for, some will look for something to die for.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by tab1 on Jan 9, 2015 23:52:24 GMT 1, Over 2000 people! Insanity and yes, amazing what is considered "news worthy" and not.ย
Problem is the world ignores these instances and they fester and then spread to the west .
America foresaw many problems in 1970's in the Middle East and with the engineering in politics since has made the problems worse
Over 2000 people! Insanity and yes, amazing what is considered "news worthy" and not.ย Problem is the world ignores these instances and they fester and then spread to the west . America foresaw many problems in 1970's in the Middle East and with the engineering in politics since has made the problems worse
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Steph Rat Catcher on Jan 9, 2015 23:58:50 GMT 1, MBW posted this on Instagram. I wonder when they go on sale /sarcasm Australia is waking up at the moment to see the outcome of these events on the news. Like I said before, it's looking a tad familiar and a little scary from what happened in Sydney a couple of weeks ago (which is only 15 minutes from my house). All of our thoughts from Australia are with the innocent, poor people involved in this. It's very heartbreaking. MBW is Freddy Krueger.
MBW posted this on Instagram. I wonder when they go on sale /sarcasm Australia is waking up at the moment to see the outcome of these events on the news. Like I said before, it's looking a tad familiar and a little scary from what happened in Sydney a couple of weeks ago (which is only 15 minutes from my house). All of our thoughts from Australia are with the innocent, poor people involved in this. It's very heartbreaking. MBW is Freddy Krueger.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by tab1 on Jan 10, 2015 0:08:35 GMT 1, Tabtab I want to make it perfectly clear I am not addressing Muslims. I have 6 mates who are Muslim. I have mixed race in my family including Arabic and African. I do not like ISIS, I do not like extremists and the like... And all the atrocities not making the news is scary. The genocide in whole countries of Africa. The decimation of entire villages/towns because they won't submit to a certain religion etc is barbaric. Medieval even. And makes you wonder who really does control the world? The media is one massive tool and thanks to the likes of artists like Banksy etc, only then can we challenge that by images we universally understand.
Your original post you just vented your anger then throughout the thread your slowly explaining why and reasonings , it's your thoughts , no one can change but people interpret differently, some may agree with you some may differ.
You pose that extremists and innocent families should be in meat grinders?
You say you have Arabic, mixed races in your family ? If ignorant people have extreme views like this and take it a step further and class all people that look like Muslims to be attacked , would that solve anything , is it fair ?
After 911 ignorant people were killing Sikhs in America because they thought they wear similar attire to the Taliban and therefore are Muslims ? Wasn't reported as much at the time as heightened fear of reprisals .
In times like this anger overtakes rational thinking, all this will only cause riots in our communities and it will be innocent people caught up in this and suffer not really targeted these extremists , that's the power of our governments to truly make a change
Tabtab I want to make it perfectly clear I am not addressing Muslims. I have 6 mates who are Muslim. I have mixed race in my family including Arabic and African. I do not like ISIS, I do not like extremists and the like... And all the atrocities not making the news is scary. The genocide in whole countries of Africa. The decimation of entire villages/towns because they won't submit to a certain religion etc is barbaric. Medieval even. And makes you wonder who really does control the world? The media is one massive tool and thanks to the likes of artists like Banksy etc, only then can we challenge that by images we universally understand. Your original post you just vented your anger then throughout the thread your slowly explaining why and reasonings , it's your thoughts , no one can change but people interpret differently, some may agree with you some may differ. You pose that extremists and innocent families should be in meat grinders? You say you have Arabic, mixed races in your family ? If ignorant people have extreme views like this and take it a step further and class all people that look like Muslims to be attacked , would that solve anything , is it fair ? After 911 ignorant people were killing Sikhs in America because they thought they wear similar attire to the Taliban and therefore are Muslims ? Wasn't reported as much at the time as heightened fear of reprisals . In times like this anger overtakes rational thinking, all this will only cause riots in our communities and it will be innocent people caught up in this and suffer not really targeted these extremists , that's the power of our governments to truly make a change
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Dr Plip
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Dr Plip on Jan 10, 2015 0:20:06 GMT 1, A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that.
A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 10, 2015 0:20:49 GMT 1, PM me then tabtab if you want to discuss anything further at length.
This thread has turned into quite an exhausting defensive stance on my part for something I've written which everyone now thinks if I became Prime Minister, I'd push through as a Bill of Parliament!
It was a graphic way of stating my outrage & also suggesting something different needs to be done in the approach to tackle extremists. Death to themselves isn't a concern - extremists welcome it & to a point seek it out as it only gives them more infamy & exposure to their cause of spreading fear.
I won't be continually clogging this thread up with these defensive statements as I won't/can't defend what I said but will say I'm a normal/decent guy who seems to have been massively misunderstood now & likened to Pol Pot or Hitler!
Keep the thread for positive/constructive thoughts & to remember those killed in France.
Again, please feel free to PM as this is getting ridiculous now... Cheers
PM me then tabtab if you want to discuss anything further at length.
This thread has turned into quite an exhausting defensive stance on my part for something I've written which everyone now thinks if I became Prime Minister, I'd push through as a Bill of Parliament!
It was a graphic way of stating my outrage & also suggesting something different needs to be done in the approach to tackle extremists. Death to themselves isn't a concern - extremists welcome it & to a point seek it out as it only gives them more infamy & exposure to their cause of spreading fear.
I won't be continually clogging this thread up with these defensive statements as I won't/can't defend what I said but will say I'm a normal/decent guy who seems to have been massively misunderstood now & likened to Pol Pot or Hitler!
Keep the thread for positive/constructive thoughts & to remember those killed in France.
Again, please feel free to PM as this is getting ridiculous now... Cheers
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Steph Rat Catcher on Jan 10, 2015 0:25:44 GMT 1, In my opinion it's inappropriate to mock someone in this sentence, no matter what we might think of them. your right .x
In my opinion it's inappropriate to mock someone in this sentence, no matter what we might think of them. your right .x
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Sweetcorn
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Sweetcorn on Jan 10, 2015 0:31:43 GMT 1, A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that.
Welcome to the future
A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that.
Welcome to the future
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