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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 1:07:06 GMT 1, Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first.....
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first.....
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by andyroo0312 on Jan 10, 2015 1:27:21 GMT 1, A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that. Nail Head... All of us on here live a life most can only dream of and by default it is our/your/their responsibility to help people less fortunate than ourselves.. I wonder what it would be like if we took away the idea of religion and just taught people to believe and to have faith in themselves and their fellow man/woman? just thinking out loud.
A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that. Nail Head... All of us on here live a life most can only dream of and by default it is our/your/their responsibility to help people less fortunate than ourselves.. I wonder what it would be like if we took away the idea of religion and just taught people to believe and to have faith in themselves and their fellow man/woman? just thinking out loud.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 1:31:05 GMT 1, Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first.....
There has been research into it and I put up an article from the conversation in the Isis thread, the disenfranchised male at the bottom of the socio economic pyramid in a western society is a very important part of this problem... But do daily mail readers want to read about programs to help said males? Will a politican get votes for such a program? Does it fulfil most peoples 'eye for an eye' philosophy? No
Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first..... There has been research into it and I put up an article from the conversation in the Isis thread, the disenfranchised male at the bottom of the socio economic pyramid in a western society is a very important part of this problem... But do daily mail readers want to read about programs to help said males? Will a politican get votes for such a program? Does it fulfil most peoples 'eye for an eye' philosophy? No
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Finsbury on Jan 10, 2015 2:19:37 GMT 1, Once Marine Le Pen gets elected in 2017 things are going to change in France.
Too many do-gooders on this forum. I wonder how people who have commented so far live in Birmingham, Bradford, Leicester, Luton or Leicester. Not many at a guess. Good on you Liverpool Ste for saying enough is enough, i totally agree. This is a time for common sense not political bullshit.
Once Marine Le Pen gets elected in 2017 things are going to change in France.
Too many do-gooders on this forum. I wonder how people who have commented so far live in Birmingham, Bradford, Leicester, Luton or Leicester. Not many at a guess. Good on you Liverpool Ste for saying enough is enough, i totally agree. This is a time for common sense not political bullshit.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by curiousgeorge on Jan 10, 2015 2:26:25 GMT 1, Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first..... My bleeding heart would tend to say yes they are.Doing the most dreadful acts without issue would suggest something is not quite right. Or very evil men have manipulated vulnerable young men, the clerics are the cancer at the very centre of this. Brain-washing vulnerable people, then no doubt going home to own family.
Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first..... My bleeding heart would tend to say yes they are.Doing the most dreadful acts without issue would suggest something is not quite right. Or very evil men have manipulated vulnerable young men, the clerics are the cancer at the very centre of this. Brain-washing vulnerable people, then no doubt going home to own family.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by tab1 on Jan 10, 2015 4:20:09 GMT 1, PM me then tabtab if you want to discuss anything further at length. This thread has turned into quite an exhausting defensive stance on my part for something I've written which everyone now thinks if I became Prime Minister, I'd push through as a Bill of Parliament! It was a graphic way of stating my outrage & also suggesting something different needs to be done in the approach to tackle extremists. Death to themselves isn't a concern - extremists welcome it & to a point seek it out as it only gives them more infamy & exposure to their cause of spreading fear. I won't be continually clogging this thread up with these defensive statements as I won't/can't defend what I said but will say I'm a normal/decent guy who seems to have been massively misunderstood now & likened to Pol Pot or Hitler! Keep the thread for positive/constructive thoughts & to remember those killed in France. Again, please feel free to PM as this is getting ridiculous now... Cheers
No need to pm as this is an open discussion which this forum and particularly this thread is about.
I'm not attacking or being impertinent towards you , just personally think your initial views are a little crass.
By reading your initial views to your responses presently maybe you were caught up with emotions running high. They were strongly worded initial comments contained with in your three posts at the beginning of this thread and frankly those views do nothing to help resolve or understand this present situation.
Your thoughts in your response are more rational now and maybe you can see a slight over reaction . Especially with this topic , things can escalate quite rapidly to unwanted scenarios.
Enjoy your art
PM me then tabtab if you want to discuss anything further at length. This thread has turned into quite an exhausting defensive stance on my part for something I've written which everyone now thinks if I became Prime Minister, I'd push through as a Bill of Parliament! It was a graphic way of stating my outrage & also suggesting something different needs to be done in the approach to tackle extremists. Death to themselves isn't a concern - extremists welcome it & to a point seek it out as it only gives them more infamy & exposure to their cause of spreading fear. I won't be continually clogging this thread up with these defensive statements as I won't/can't defend what I said but will say I'm a normal/decent guy who seems to have been massively misunderstood now & likened to Pol Pot or Hitler! Keep the thread for positive/constructive thoughts & to remember those killed in France. Again, please feel free to PM as this is getting ridiculous now... Cheers No need to pm as this is an open discussion which this forum and particularly this thread is about. I'm not attacking or being impertinent towards you , just personally think your initial views are a little crass. By reading your initial views to your responses presently maybe you were caught up with emotions running high. They were strongly worded initial comments contained with in your three posts at the beginning of this thread and frankly those views do nothing to help resolve or understand this present situation. Your thoughts in your response are more rational now and maybe you can see a slight over reaction . Especially with this topic , things can escalate quite rapidly to unwanted scenarios. Enjoy your art
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Everybody okay in paris?, by andyroo0312 on Jan 10, 2015 11:57:26 GMT 1, i never watch Fox News but for some reason it was on where I am so I watched and listened as it was a segment with a couple ex NYPD detectives saying their bit about France, Islam and of course the security of the U.S. I have never heard so much hatred on a news show and to be honest I find it scary. Love,peace & Kush to all I say, ps if you don't like Kush we can replace it with mung beans
i never watch Fox News but for some reason it was on where I am so I watched and listened as it was a segment with a couple ex NYPD detectives saying their bit about France, Islam and of course the security of the U.S. I have never heard so much hatred on a news show and to be honest I find it scary. Love,peace & Kush to all I say, ps if you don't like Kush we can replace it with mung beans
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Everybody okay in paris?, by andyroo0312 on Jan 10, 2015 12:03:41 GMT 1, Ok I have just been told that is normal for Fox News I never realised that news readers peddle such poison and people swallow it hook line and sinker. I need a drink.
Ok I have just been told that is normal for Fox News I never realised that news readers peddle such poison and people swallow it hook line and sinker. I need a drink.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Dr Plip on Jan 10, 2015 12:08:52 GMT 1, When a man with control of a massive amount of the media tweets this:
"Rupert Murdoch @rupertmurdoch 9 hours ago Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible."
The man is dangerously insane.
When a man with control of a massive amount of the media tweets this:
"Rupert Murdoch @rupertmurdoch 9 hours ago Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible."
The man is dangerously insane.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Finsbury on Jan 10, 2015 13:02:17 GMT 1,
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Everybody okay in paris?, by muti on Jan 10, 2015 13:14:50 GMT 1, ZZ Top...ZZ Top...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by thomasmer on Jan 10, 2015 13:34:26 GMT 1, Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first.....
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
Very few people have an idea of the France / Algeria history books, there has been some serious blood lost and it didn't stop spilling that long ago.
Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first.....
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
Very few people have an idea of the France / Algeria history books, there has been some serious blood lost and it didn't stop spilling that long ago.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 13:39:38 GMT 1, I can only imagine the nonsense talked/shouted on this thread. I'm not going to read it.
As a Muslim (and proud) My understanding is that not even doing 'The Haj' pilgrimage wipes away the sin of murder. These clearly uneducated murderers will rot forever. Clearly what this magazine published was never going to do anything but cause outrage amongst Muslims and many Non-Muslims who understand how offensive it is to Islam to do what they did. That still doesn't justify murder. It seems education for both parties the Magazine and the Killers would have helped somewhat.
Clearly killing hundreds of thousands of people like Blair and Bush Jnr did is the way to go about getting away mass murder. Surely they should be brought to justice ?.
"Fuck Mini baby bels" my favorite quote from 'Four Lions'. IMO a great film which if you haven't seen, you should take the time to watch. Take it to mean whatever you like.
I can only imagine the nonsense talked/shouted on this thread. I'm not going to read it.
As a Muslim (and proud) My understanding is that not even doing 'The Haj' pilgrimage wipes away the sin of murder. These clearly uneducated murderers will rot forever. Clearly what this magazine published was never going to do anything but cause outrage amongst Muslims and many Non-Muslims who understand how offensive it is to Islam to do what they did. That still doesn't justify murder. It seems education for both parties the Magazine and the Killers would have helped somewhat.
Clearly killing hundreds of thousands of people like Blair and Bush Jnr did is the way to go about getting away mass murder. Surely they should be brought to justice ?.
"Fuck Mini baby bels" my favorite quote from 'Four Lions'. IMO a great film which if you haven't seen, you should take the time to watch. Take it to mean whatever you like.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by greatplainsman on Jan 10, 2015 13:51:08 GMT 1, Treat people how you yourself want to be treated. Seems pretty simple to me. God or not...
Treat people how you yourself want to be treated. Seems pretty simple to me. God or not...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by sgolby on Jan 10, 2015 13:56:16 GMT 1, Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first.....
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
Ploppi, while i do not disagree with you about the US and the effect that it's misguided poolicies and warmongering have had, to ignore the effects of European colonisation of the middle east and Africa is nonsense. At the end of world war 2 Britain and France began the slow withdrawl From the middle east and Africa. Along with other western countries, in countries withf strategic economic interest we imposed or supported royal or tyrannical rule, leading to the disenfranchisement of millions. In countries without these interests, tribes were cobbled together and left to fight for power amongst themselves. The most obvious of this is the tribal fight between the zionists and palestinians over israel or palestine dependin in which side one supports. This was the beginnig... From there we can discuss the many recent atrocities commited by my country, the US. howeer do not be dishonest and ignore the actions of other European governements from the 40s thru today...
Are the perpetrators of these horrendous attacks victims too? What could drive such hatred into people that they can rationalise behavior which is so abhorrent to most people, including me? What could cause someone to fly a plane into a building? to cut short their lives and deprive their families of the comfort that environment brings? Need to work that one out first.....
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
Ploppi, while i do not disagree with you about the US and the effect that it's misguided poolicies and warmongering have had, to ignore the effects of European colonisation of the middle east and Africa is nonsense. At the end of world war 2 Britain and France began the slow withdrawl From the middle east and Africa. Along with other western countries, in countries withf strategic economic interest we imposed or supported royal or tyrannical rule, leading to the disenfranchisement of millions. In countries without these interests, tribes were cobbled together and left to fight for power amongst themselves. The most obvious of this is the tribal fight between the zionists and palestinians over israel or palestine dependin in which side one supports. This was the beginnig... From there we can discuss the many recent atrocities commited by my country, the US. howeer do not be dishonest and ignore the actions of other European governements from the 40s thru today...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by sgolby on Jan 10, 2015 13:58:02 GMT 1, Ok I have just been told that is normal for Fox News I never realised that news readers peddle such poison and people swallow it hook line and sinker. I need a drink. Very normal, AND VERY DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!
Ok I have just been told that is normal for Fox News I never realised that news readers peddle such poison and people swallow it hook line and sinker. I need a drink. Very normal, AND VERY DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!
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Everybody okay in paris?, by andyroo0312 on Jan 10, 2015 14:29:29 GMT 1, I can only imagine the nonsense talked/shouted on this thread. I'm not going to read it. As a Muslim (and proud) My understanding is that not even doing 'The Haj' pilgrimage wipes away the sin of murder. These clearly uneducated murderers will rot forever. Clearly what this magazine published was never going to do anything but cause outrage amongst Muslims and many Non-Muslims who understand how offensive it is to Islam to do what they did. That still doesn't justify murder. It seems education for both parties the Magazine and the Killers would have helped somewhat. Clearly killing hundreds of thousands of people like Blair and Bush Jnr did is the way to go about getting away mass murder. Surely they should be brought to justice ?. "f**k Mini baby bels" my favorite quote from 'Four Lions'. IMO a great film which if you haven't seen, you should take the time to watch. Take it to mean whatever you like. Interesting post. Nonsense or not they are views of individuals and as said by someone before "I may not agree with what you say but I will back and defend your right to say it" within the law of course. Disscusion brings understanding, understanding brings compromise, compromise brings progress, In my part of Sydney there are a lot of Muslims and I have many Muslim friends and it seems there is this one word that makes all the difference, that word is "interpretation " I have read the Koran and the Bible among other such light reading a agnostic reads and I am sure what it said to me or my interpretation of it is different to others that read the same txt and I think that is wonderful...
I can only imagine the nonsense talked/shouted on this thread. I'm not going to read it. As a Muslim (and proud) My understanding is that not even doing 'The Haj' pilgrimage wipes away the sin of murder. These clearly uneducated murderers will rot forever. Clearly what this magazine published was never going to do anything but cause outrage amongst Muslims and many Non-Muslims who understand how offensive it is to Islam to do what they did. That still doesn't justify murder. It seems education for both parties the Magazine and the Killers would have helped somewhat. Clearly killing hundreds of thousands of people like Blair and Bush Jnr did is the way to go about getting away mass murder. Surely they should be brought to justice ?. "f**k Mini baby bels" my favorite quote from 'Four Lions'. IMO a great film which if you haven't seen, you should take the time to watch. Take it to mean whatever you like. Interesting post. Nonsense or not they are views of individuals and as said by someone before "I may not agree with what you say but I will back and defend your right to say it" within the law of course. Disscusion brings understanding, understanding brings compromise, compromise brings progress, In my part of Sydney there are a lot of Muslims and I have many Muslim friends and it seems there is this one word that makes all the difference, that word is "interpretation " I have read the Koran and the Bible among other such light reading a agnostic reads and I am sure what it said to me or my interpretation of it is different to others that read the same txt and I think that is wonderful...
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Liverpool ste123 on Jan 10, 2015 15:40:25 GMT 1, Treat people how you yourself want to be treated...
The mantra I live my life by daily
Treat people how you yourself want to be treated... The mantra I live my life by daily
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Grafter on Jan 10, 2015 15:43:21 GMT 1,
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 16:06:03 GMT 1, A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that. Nail Head... All of us on here live a life most can only dream of and by default it is our/your/their responsibility to help people less fortunate than ourselves.. I wonder what it would be like if we took away the idea of religion and just taught people to believe and to have faith in themselves and their fellow man/woman? just thinking out loud. While I agree we live in civilised democratic countries.
It is because the indigenous people of these countries created this society.
There is nothing to stop peope in Africa the middle east or wherever doing the same.
and yes I know we had two great wars in europe and Stalin and communism murdered millions.
PLus the recent Balkans war.
We don't want to get involed in another war in Europe anywhere caused by our political correctness and left wing marxist politicians.
No i'm neither right wing nor left and most politicians are two faced parasites
A lot of us won the life lottery. Being born where we were. These types of attacks are relatively rare in most parts of the world. Imagine living with that daily. Imagine trying to live like that. Nail Head... All of us on here live a life most can only dream of and by default it is our/your/their responsibility to help people less fortunate than ourselves.. I wonder what it would be like if we took away the idea of religion and just taught people to believe and to have faith in themselves and their fellow man/woman? just thinking out loud. While I agree we live in civilised democratic countries.
It is because the indigenous people of these countries created this society.
There is nothing to stop peope in Africa the middle east or wherever doing the same.
and yes I know we had two great wars in europe and Stalin and communism murdered millions.
PLus the recent Balkans war.
We don't want to get involed in another war in Europe anywhere caused by our political correctness and left wing marxist politicians.
No i'm neither right wing nor left and most politicians are two faced parasites
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 16:13:19 GMT 1, PM me then tabtab if you want to discuss anything further at length. This thread has turned into quite an exhausting defensive stance on my part for something I've written which everyone now thinks if I became Prime Minister, I'd push through as a Bill of Parliament! It was a graphic way of stating my outrage & also suggesting something different needs to be done in the approach to tackle extremists. Death to themselves isn't a concern - extremists welcome it & to a point seek it out as it only gives them more infamy & exposure to their cause of spreading fear. I won't be continually clogging this thread up with these defensive statements as I won't/can't defend what I said but will say I'm a normal/decent guy who seems to have been massively misunderstood now & likened to Pol Pot or Hitler! Keep the thread for positive/constructive thoughts & to remember those killed in France. Again, please feel free to PM as this is getting ridiculous now... Cheers I didn't see anything offensive in your posts.
I just saw it as being angered by the brutal murders based on a warped mentality and ideology.
The interesting thing is that lots of people complain when some display the English flag in the UK but say nothing when others burn the British flag and shout death to kafirs.
So i'm not surprised people say what they say when they see British police and politicians protecting these evil peoples right to free speech.
PM me then tabtab if you want to discuss anything further at length. This thread has turned into quite an exhausting defensive stance on my part for something I've written which everyone now thinks if I became Prime Minister, I'd push through as a Bill of Parliament! It was a graphic way of stating my outrage & also suggesting something different needs to be done in the approach to tackle extremists. Death to themselves isn't a concern - extremists welcome it & to a point seek it out as it only gives them more infamy & exposure to their cause of spreading fear. I won't be continually clogging this thread up with these defensive statements as I won't/can't defend what I said but will say I'm a normal/decent guy who seems to have been massively misunderstood now & likened to Pol Pot or Hitler! Keep the thread for positive/constructive thoughts & to remember those killed in France. Again, please feel free to PM as this is getting ridiculous now... Cheers I didn't see anything offensive in your posts.
I just saw it as being angered by the brutal murders based on a warped mentality and ideology.
The interesting thing is that lots of people complain when some display the English flag in the UK but say nothing when others burn the British flag and shout death to kafirs.
So i'm not surprised people say what they say when they see British police and politicians protecting these evil peoples right to free speech.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 16:48:18 GMT 1,
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
Ploppi, while i do not disagree with you about the US and the effect that it's misguided poolicies and warmongering have had, to ignore the effects of European colonisation of the middle east and Africa is nonsense. At the end of world war 2 Britain and France began the slow withdrawl From the middle east and Africa. Along with other western countries, in countries withf strategic economic interest we imposed or supported royal or tyrannical rule, leading to the disenfranchisement of millions. In countries without these interests, tribes were cobbled together and left to fight for power amongst themselves. The most obvious of this is the tribal fight between the zionists and palestinians over israel or palestine dependin in which side one supports. This was the beginnig... From there we can discuss the many recent atrocities commited by my country, the US. howeer do not be dishonest and ignore the actions of other European governements from the 40s thru today... I am being honest and talking about the mentality and what motivates the anti western attacks today.
I agree France and other EU countries colonised Algeria and other countries.
Thats why France has lots of Algerian secondand third gรฉnรฉrations living in France today.
The people who profited from the French colonies were not the ordinary French but the rich borgeouis who made fortunes from those countries.
The same goes for Britain and it's colonisation, it's the rich who gain from that not the ordinary Brits who have to live amongst the people from former colonies.
I have Algerian friends down here and neighbours who come from different ex French colonies etc and they class themselves as French and not interested in any form of religious fantatism.
I also see some no go zones down here and the attitude and mentality of some young men who have a huge chip on their shoulder against the west even though they get all the western benefits.
Who have no respect for their neighbours or others.
Who see the latest news reports of what is happening today in the middle east etc and ignore the fact that muslims are killing muslims but blame the west for that in some way.
Thes epeople are impassionned by footage of the Gaza attacks killing children and bombing schools and hospitals and the ghettoisation of Palestine where those people are squeezed more and more and caught between two lots of old men mainly who refuse to want to make peace.
The Palestinians are innocent and Hamas and Israel are making problems for those people.
The world recognised Kosovo readily but refuses to recognise Palestine and it is just a smuch their land as the USA is the land of the Europeans who emigrated to the USA today.
Todays islamic terrorists are angered what they see today on global broadcast media and we have politicians in the Uk and so called spokes people who are adding fuel to the fire.
We have allready some politicians and groups scoring points and getting mileage from the Paris attacks.
France has a lot to answer for as to it's policies past and present and it cannot play the game of politics in non French countries and play the opposit game in France. Neither can European countries and the UK.
France is secular yet gives money for mosque buildingand refuses to give to other faiths.
France gave sanctuary to Khomeini in 1978 when the US / Western instigated overthrow of the Shah of Persia was instigated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
Even though Persia was a very westernised country.
That event alone created what we have today in the form of radical anti western islam.
The stupidity of the politicians for doing that was because Khomeini was in their eyes a leftist anti communist marxist.
In other words anti Russia.
Today the leftards who encourage mass immigration into Europe have the same mentality, believing these immigrants are anti communist in ideology and marxist in some form or other like these left wing libtard politicians here.
They don't care how many come to europe and encourage mosque building etc and one just needs to look at the EU and Merkel etc policies against Russia and creating a european union with borders all the way up to Russia to see the agenda and marxist ideology behind this mess they have created today.
The problem is that one day in the future fifty years if civil war or war does start in Europe.
All these idiot politicians will turn to Russia to help.
I doubt it although some disenfranchised and low achievers could be recruited and encouraged or brainwashed in some ways to blame the country they are living in for the own lack of identity.
Most people I know are against collatorel damage and inncocent people and children killed in the name of war across the world but would never think of killing people as revenge.
What many in the west didn't realise was that the USA is very eager to carry out regime change and war or military action on europes neighbouring continent with few repercussions of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and refugees landing on the coast of the USA.
The refugees and immigrants land in europe.
They come from a different culture and background and do not see us as the same as they are.
They are used to conflict and war in their own countries that were invaded or fled from and see no borders or a line that once crossed says they cannot carry on the fight in europe.
Who is to blame for this situation today.
The politicians of course. Todays and of decades past.
Ploppi, while i do not disagree with you about the US and the effect that it's misguided poolicies and warmongering have had, to ignore the effects of European colonisation of the middle east and Africa is nonsense. At the end of world war 2 Britain and France began the slow withdrawl From the middle east and Africa. Along with other western countries, in countries withf strategic economic interest we imposed or supported royal or tyrannical rule, leading to the disenfranchisement of millions. In countries without these interests, tribes were cobbled together and left to fight for power amongst themselves. The most obvious of this is the tribal fight between the zionists and palestinians over israel or palestine dependin in which side one supports. This was the beginnig... From there we can discuss the many recent atrocities commited by my country, the US. howeer do not be dishonest and ignore the actions of other European governements from the 40s thru today... I am being honest and talking about the mentality and what motivates the anti western attacks today.
I agree France and other EU countries colonised Algeria and other countries.
Thats why France has lots of Algerian secondand third gรฉnรฉrations living in France today.
The people who profited from the French colonies were not the ordinary French but the rich borgeouis who made fortunes from those countries.
The same goes for Britain and it's colonisation, it's the rich who gain from that not the ordinary Brits who have to live amongst the people from former colonies.
I have Algerian friends down here and neighbours who come from different ex French colonies etc and they class themselves as French and not interested in any form of religious fantatism.
I also see some no go zones down here and the attitude and mentality of some young men who have a huge chip on their shoulder against the west even though they get all the western benefits.
Who have no respect for their neighbours or others.
Who see the latest news reports of what is happening today in the middle east etc and ignore the fact that muslims are killing muslims but blame the west for that in some way.
Thes epeople are impassionned by footage of the Gaza attacks killing children and bombing schools and hospitals and the ghettoisation of Palestine where those people are squeezed more and more and caught between two lots of old men mainly who refuse to want to make peace.
The Palestinians are innocent and Hamas and Israel are making problems for those people.
The world recognised Kosovo readily but refuses to recognise Palestine and it is just a smuch their land as the USA is the land of the Europeans who emigrated to the USA today.
Todays islamic terrorists are angered what they see today on global broadcast media and we have politicians in the Uk and so called spokes people who are adding fuel to the fire.
We have allready some politicians and groups scoring points and getting mileage from the Paris attacks.
France has a lot to answer for as to it's policies past and present and it cannot play the game of politics in non French countries and play the opposit game in France. Neither can European countries and the UK.
France is secular yet gives money for mosque buildingand refuses to give to other faiths.
France gave sanctuary to Khomeini in 1978 when the US / Western instigated overthrow of the Shah of Persia was instigated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
Even though Persia was a very westernised country.
That event alone created what we have today in the form of radical anti western islam.
The stupidity of the politicians for doing that was because Khomeini was in their eyes a leftist anti communist marxist.
In other words anti Russia.
Today the leftards who encourage mass immigration into Europe have the same mentality, believing these immigrants are anti communist in ideology and marxist in some form or other like these left wing libtard politicians here.
They don't care how many come to europe and encourage mosque building etc and one just needs to look at the EU and Merkel etc policies against Russia and creating a european union with borders all the way up to Russia to see the agenda and marxist ideology behind this mess they have created today.
The problem is that one day in the future fifty years if civil war or war does start in Europe.
All these idiot politicians will turn to Russia to help.
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Everybody okay in paris?, by SW20 on Jan 10, 2015 18:50:16 GMT 1, The problem is like almost all religions Islam contrary to what's put out is not a peaceful religion none of them (religions) are. Religions are a means of control. lslam and all the cannot do pictures of the prophet etc are means of control eg you cannot disagree with the religion or point out its wrongs. If you look beneath look at its areas of strength. Mass control of the population. Mass violence against anyone who disagrees or commits a crime. Very similar to old Christianity, Judaism etc etc.
This big Islam thing well in my view It's all very Spanish Inquisition and as those in the fashion industry would say. It's just so yesterday really.
Today's look is all pencils and pens all Charlie really. If your not wearing Charlei well your just nobody really.
so for me Je Suisse Charlei. But f**k the franchise. Or the French I am Charly
long may he reign
The problem is like almost all religions Islam contrary to what's put out is not a peaceful religion none of them (religions) are. Religions are a means of control. lslam and all the cannot do pictures of the prophet etc are means of control eg you cannot disagree with the religion or point out its wrongs. If you look beneath look at its areas of strength. Mass control of the population. Mass violence against anyone who disagrees or commits a crime. Very similar to old Christianity, Judaism etc etc.
This big Islam thing well in my view It's all very Spanish Inquisition and as those in the fashion industry would say. It's just so yesterday really.
Today's look is all pencils and pens all Charlie really. If your not wearing Charlei well your just nobody really.
so for me Je Suisse Charlei. But f**k the franchise. Or the French I am Charly
long may he reign
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Everybody okay in paris?, by chads007 on Jan 10, 2015 23:24:55 GMT 1, James O'brien dismantling a fucking tool
James O'brien dismantling a fucking tool
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Everybody okay in paris?, by misterx on Jan 10, 2015 23:34:08 GMT 1, Nice one chads007. No idea who James is, but he's spot on.
The caller reminds me of a lot of the bigoted on here....
Nice one chads007. No idea who James is, but he's spot on.
The caller reminds me of a lot of the bigoted on here....
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Everybody okay in paris?, by chads007 on Jan 10, 2015 23:36:47 GMT 1, Nice one chads007. No idea who James is, but he's spot on. The caller reminds me of a lot of the bigoted on here.... He's what paxman never was during his twilight years. ..and should have taken the news night post
Nice one chads007. No idea who James is, but he's spot on. The caller reminds me of a lot of the bigoted on here.... He's what paxman never was during his twilight years. ..and should have taken the news night post
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Everybody okay in paris?, by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 0:49:54 GMT 1, lovely. glad to see you posting on here. I swear, none of my collection gets as many positive comments as my "With one piece missing"
lovely. glad to see you posting on here. I swear, none of my collection gets as many positive comments as my "With one piece missing"
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Everybody okay in paris?, by thomasmer on Jan 11, 2015 3:19:11 GMT 1, Nail Head... All of us on here live a life most can only dream of and by default it is our/your/their responsibility to help people less fortunate than ourselves.. I wonder what it would be like if we took away the idea of religion and just taught people to believe and to have faith in themselves and their fellow man/woman? just thinking out loud. While I agree we live in civilised democratic countries.
It is because the indigenous people of these countries created this society.
There is nothing to stop peope in Africa the middle east or wherever doing the same.
Well apart from a more powerful and crooked west!
The colonization and abuse of Africa by the west left it in tatters, the constant warmongering of the west in the middle east, those murders Tony Blair and Bush should be locked up for the false war in Iraq that murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and left the country in a state of civil war, the abuses by France in Algeria and the bloodshed. Yes these countries might have had a chance is we didnt fuck them, and continue to fuck them.
Look at the history.
Nail Head... All of us on here live a life most can only dream of and by default it is our/your/their responsibility to help people less fortunate than ourselves.. I wonder what it would be like if we took away the idea of religion and just taught people to believe and to have faith in themselves and their fellow man/woman? just thinking out loud. While I agree we live in civilised democratic countries.
It is because the indigenous people of these countries created this society.
There is nothing to stop peope in Africa the middle east or wherever doing the same.
Well apart from a more powerful and crooked west! The colonization and abuse of Africa by the west left it in tatters, the constant warmongering of the west in the middle east, those murders Tony Blair and Bush should be locked up for the false war in Iraq that murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and left the country in a state of civil war, the abuses by France in Algeria and the bloodshed. Yes these countries might have had a chance is we didnt fuck them, and continue to fuck them. Look at the history.
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