Simococo
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Simococo on Feb 13, 2008 19:55:15 GMT 1, I expect other houses will be presenting urban only auctions soon too
I expect other houses will be presenting urban only auctions soon too
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by jan-has-art on Feb 17, 2008 13:48:53 GMT 1, there will be 2 DB originals in oktober...
there will be 2 DB originals in oktober...
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Harveyn on Feb 18, 2008 12:31:46 GMT 1, Anybody putting anything in the "Vision 21" auction at Bonhams in April?
Anybody putting anything in the "Vision 21" auction at Bonhams in April?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by sham69 on Feb 18, 2008 13:06:57 GMT 1, there will be 2 DB originals in oktober...
Reserve not met.
there will be 2 DB originals in oktober... Reserve not met. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Daniel Silk on Feb 26, 2008 13:28:36 GMT 1, CNN news report about Bonhams -
CNN news report about Bonhams -
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Daniel Silk on Mar 7, 2008 16:49:33 GMT 1,
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by johnnyrubadub on Feb 13, 2008 18:04:06 GMT 1, Bonham's are only taking signed Banksy's from now on as they have been inundated with peeps wanting to sell their Banksy's. So only signed ones now for the upper class..what what.
Bonham's are only taking signed Banksy's from now on as they have been inundated with peeps wanting to sell their Banksy's. So only signed ones now for the upper class..what what.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by funster on Feb 13, 2008 18:14:18 GMT 1, Right or wrong it kinda makes sense, or the auctions will last forever!
Right or wrong it kinda makes sense, or the auctions will last forever!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by leumasdarnley on Feb 13, 2008 18:38:30 GMT 1, If you want unsigned get it on the bay if you want to pay 2x the market value buy it at Bonham's I think I finally get the formula.
If you want unsigned get it on the bay if you want to pay 2x the market value buy it at Bonham's I think I finally get the formula.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by jones27 on Feb 13, 2008 18:39:31 GMT 1, Its a good thing. At least the genuine fans can still access the unsigneds (without them getting swept away to richer waters).
Its a good thing. At least the genuine fans can still access the unsigneds (without them getting swept away to richer waters).
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by jipsy on Feb 13, 2008 18:42:07 GMT 1, When is the next auction?
With all the chat it could end up a 3 day affair.
When is the next auction?
With all the chat it could end up a 3 day affair.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Guest on Feb 13, 2008 18:51:50 GMT 1, All of the the prices paid for unsigned prints last auction were crazy, nowhere near their true market value.
All of the the prices paid for unsigned prints last auction were crazy, nowhere near their true market value.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by arcam on Feb 13, 2008 18:57:20 GMT 1, No where near......
No where near......
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by leumasdarnley on Feb 13, 2008 19:07:43 GMT 1, I was assuming everything was signed was that turfwar signed?
I was assuming everything was signed was that turfwar signed?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by johnnyrubadub on Feb 13, 2008 19:08:11 GMT 1,
Says who? why do you think they were not near their value. Who dictates their value. Normally what ever a piece sells for at auction is the value.
Says who? why do you think they were not near their value. Who dictates their value. Normally what ever a piece sells for at auction is the value. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by ed on Feb 13, 2008 19:13:28 GMT 1, even if unsigned aren't allowed in the auction, if recent prices in the auction houses are sustained, it'll put upward pressure on unsigned prints with decent prov....
I tried to put a couple of D*Face things in the next one and got a reply saying they had been inundated with D* stuff and were putting things in on a first come first serve basis. Made me think they don;t reallly know their stuff, cos otherwise they'd pick and choose the things they thought would get the highest price and therefore the highest cut for them....no?
even if unsigned aren't allowed in the auction, if recent prices in the auction houses are sustained, it'll put upward pressure on unsigned prints with decent prov....
I tried to put a couple of D*Face things in the next one and got a reply saying they had been inundated with D* stuff and were putting things in on a first come first serve basis. Made me think they don;t reallly know their stuff, cos otherwise they'd pick and choose the things they thought would get the highest price and therefore the highest cut for them....no?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Feb 13, 2008 19:14:01 GMT 1, Says who? why do you think they were not near their value. Who dictates their value. Normally what ever a piece sells for at auction is the value.
Not if the buyer thought they were signed 
Says who? why do you think they were not near their value. Who dictates their value. Normally what ever a piece sells for at auction is the value. Not if the buyer thought they were signed |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by ed on Feb 13, 2008 19:16:21 GMT 1, i just wanted to write something else so i get to 100 posts....something special might happen.....drum roll...
edit, 3 stars. f**k yeah!! altho by my own standards, 98% of my posts musta been shit. not this one tho. this one is pure forum gold.
i just wanted to write something else so i get to 100 posts....something special might happen.....drum roll...
edit, 3 stars. f**k yeah!! altho by my own standards, 98% of my posts musta been shit. not this one tho. this one is pure forum gold.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by leumasdarnley on Feb 13, 2008 19:17:53 GMT 1, Ebay is the best indicator to what the market will bear as these pieces are sold much more frequently there. These auction prices will not be fetched by the general public it will increase the value no doubt but not to the levels seen at the auction. IF you don't believe me just look at the prices on the bay. Buy it now prices are through the roof and I saw a bid on a Toxic Mary for 700 that was amazing  . Also saw a couple of suspect Trolley auctions for 1900 which possibly shows an increase in Trolley value. So to say that the auction prices are true market value or in this case even close IMO is not correct.
Ebay is the best indicator to what the market will bear as these pieces are sold much more frequently there. These auction prices will not be fetched by the general public it will increase the value no doubt but not to the levels seen at the auction. IF you don't believe me just look at the prices on the bay. Buy it now prices are through the roof and I saw a bid on a Toxic Mary for 700 that was amazing . Also saw a couple of suspect Trolley auctions for 1900 which possibly shows an increase in Trolley value. So to say that the auction prices are true market value or in this case even close IMO is not correct. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by slowmo on Feb 13, 2008 19:22:25 GMT 1, I think the fact that Bonhams are being bombarded with a million prints to sell speaks volumes about which way prices will go. Anyone bought any tulips from Amsterdam lately?
Go with the ebay price.
I think the fact that Bonhams are being bombarded with a million prints to sell speaks volumes about which way prices will go. Anyone bought any tulips from Amsterdam lately?
Go with the ebay price.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Guest on Feb 13, 2008 19:41:58 GMT 1, Says who? why do you think they were not near their value. Who dictates their value. Normally what ever a piece sells for at auction is the value. Not if the buyer thought they were signed
so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed? 
Says who? why do you think they were not near their value. Who dictates their value. Normally what ever a piece sells for at auction is the value. Not if the buyer thought they were signed so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by johnnyrubadub on Feb 13, 2008 19:57:45 GMT 1, Not if the buyer thought they were signed so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed?
No One bought an US thinking it was Signed. Thats the value of the US. The big spenders dont bother with e bay. The only big spenders on e bay are the little galleries. They pay ยฃ1500-ยฃ2000 and they have their big spending clients waiting to pay ยฃ4000-ยฃ8000 for the unsigned prints. And even more for the signed.
Not if the buyer thought they were signed so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed? No One bought an US thinking it was Signed. Thats the value of the US. The big spenders dont bother with e bay. The only big spenders on e bay are the little galleries. They pay ยฃ1500-ยฃ2000 and they have their big spending clients waiting to pay ยฃ4000-ยฃ8000 for the unsigned prints. And even more for the signed. |
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RBK
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by RBK on Feb 13, 2008 20:04:56 GMT 1, Sure Bonhams will have the luxury of cherry-picking much higher quality works/artists if the rumor that everyone is trying to flog their collections is true.
Think we will see lots more originals and more (if not entirely) signed prints only.
Sure Bonhams will have the luxury of cherry-picking much higher quality works/artists if the rumor that everyone is trying to flog their collections is true.
Think we will see lots more originals and more (if not entirely) signed prints only.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by ABC on Feb 13, 2008 20:06:15 GMT 1, All of the the prices paid for unsigned prints last auction were crazy, nowhere near their true market value.
What's the true market value based on then? becuase It's not ebay, thats our market value.
All of the the prices paid for unsigned prints last auction were crazy, nowhere near their true market value. What's the true market value based on then? becuase It's not ebay, thats our market value. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by leumasdarnley on Feb 13, 2008 20:06:44 GMT 1, so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed? No One bought an US thinking it was Signed. Thats the value of the US. The big spenders dont bother with e bay. The only big spenders on e bay are the little galleries. They pay ยฃ1500-ยฃ2000 and they have their big spending clients waiting to pay ยฃ4000-ยฃ8000 for the unsigned prints. And even more for the signed.
What are you basing this on besides the Bonham's #'s ? I'm just curious honestly why someone would be "willing" to spend 2x+ the market value for anything no matter how much money they have.
so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed? No One bought an US thinking it was Signed. Thats the value of the US. The big spenders dont bother with e bay. The only big spenders on e bay are the little galleries. They pay ยฃ1500-ยฃ2000 and they have their big spending clients waiting to pay ยฃ4000-ยฃ8000 for the unsigned prints. And even more for the signed. What are you basing this on besides the Bonham's #'s ? I'm just curious honestly why someone would be "willing" to spend 2x+ the market value for anything no matter how much money they have. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by RBK on Feb 13, 2008 20:16:00 GMT 1, People pay more from galleries/auction houses for a plethora of reasons:
- strong provenance/authenticity credibility
- some people like the glamor of saying they bought something from auction/gallery
- they value their time more than trying to get a 'deal' somewhere else
- they're rich and can throw what many would consider big money around easily
People pay more from galleries/auction houses for a plethora of reasons:
- strong provenance/authenticity credibility
- some people like the glamor of saying they bought something from auction/gallery
- they value their time more than trying to get a 'deal' somewhere else
- they're rich and can throw what many would consider big money around easily
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Simococo
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Simococo on Feb 13, 2008 20:20:29 GMT 1, When is the next auction? With all the chat it could end up a 3 day affair.
October.
They said if you have anything special then take it in to show them
When is the next auction? With all the chat it could end up a 3 day affair. October. They said if you have anything special then take it in to show them |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Feb 13, 2008 20:25:40 GMT 1, so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed? No One bought an US thinking it was Signed. Thats the value of the US. The big spenders dont bother with e bay. The only big spenders on e bay are the little galleries. They pay ยฃ1500-ยฃ2000 and they have their big spending clients waiting to pay ยฃ4000-ยฃ8000 for the unsigned prints. And even more for the signed.
From WK:
It was not clearly pointed out in the catalogue they were unsigned (nor on the website) a mistake could easily have been made and you cannot now value unsigned prints at these prices
so did some of the unsigned prints get sold at high prices because the buyer thought they were signed? No One bought an US thinking it was Signed. Thats the value of the US. The big spenders dont bother with e bay. The only big spenders on e bay are the little galleries. They pay ยฃ1500-ยฃ2000 and they have their big spending clients waiting to pay ยฃ4000-ยฃ8000 for the unsigned prints. And even more for the signed. From WK: It was not clearly pointed out in the catalogue they were unsigned (nor on the website) a mistake could easily have been made and you cannot now value unsigned prints at these prices |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by slowmo on Feb 13, 2008 20:56:40 GMT 1, This opens up a whole kettle of fish. Largely pre-banksy all prints were signed, not many artists before him I can think of who offered a two tier system. So in an auction house, is a signature really worth any more? Yes its been touched by the artist, but this is kind of new ground, I think?
Someone shoot me down in flames if I am wrong about print editions being run with a signed and non signed pricing gauge pre banksy?
This opens up a whole kettle of fish. Largely pre-banksy all prints were signed, not many artists before him I can think of who offered a two tier system. So in an auction house, is a signature really worth any more? Yes its been touched by the artist, but this is kind of new ground, I think?
Someone shoot me down in flames if I am wrong about print editions being run with a signed and non signed pricing gauge pre banksy?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by mammal2 on Feb 13, 2008 21:13:05 GMT 1, No more unsigned soon from POW is the rumor after LA. How is that going to effect them? Who knows? I dont!
No more unsigned soon from POW is the rumor after LA. How is that going to effect them? Who knows? I dont!
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. Also saw a couple of suspect Trolley auctions for 1900 which possibly shows an increase in Trolley value. So to say that the auction prices are true market value or in this case even close IMO is not correct.
