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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Happy Shopper on Jun 24, 2015 18:01:37 GMT 1, As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas
I don't see people "making trouble". Just fed up with the sort of behavior on display here.
As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas I don't see people "making trouble". Just fed up with the sort of behavior on display here. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by phoj on Jun 24, 2015 18:07:42 GMT 1, As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas
Seriously mate? I have just been silently watching this burn the last days but this makes me want to jump in. I really thought more of you than this. So all this is no ethical dilemma at all; just some guys ranting and making noise again? Know and understand you FG probably thinks it's wise to keep a joint line public, but going from there to say that nothing is wrong just some moronic members ranting is a step too far imo.
As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas Seriously mate? I have just been silently watching this burn the last days but this makes me want to jump in. I really thought more of you than this. So all this is no ethical dilemma at all; just some guys ranting and making noise again? Know and understand you FG probably thinks it's wise to keep a joint line public, but going from there to say that nothing is wrong just some moronic members ranting is a step too far imo. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by twist65 on Jun 24, 2015 18:15:04 GMT 1, As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas
If you are suggesting I am raising this as I have no loyalty to the forum and to cause disruption then you are sadly mistaken. I have never caused trouble, have no "previous" with freerange (although i have been around here long enough to see the very bad sides alongside the occasional witticism), or with any other moderator, and I actually think that Forum Guardians is a good idea and said so at the time. I have also not joined or visited the "other forum" in the hope that the good times here would eventually be back. Feel free to check any of this out.
I normally don't comment on the Sandra Chevrier theads as I'm not interested in her work, you won't find me bashing threads on her either. I have raised this as it is a serious issue with THE GOOD OF THE FORUM at heart, no personal motives whatsoever. You and the other guardians must surely see that the behaviour of FR here is totally out of order, and on any forum you would be banned for using your power to lie and manipulate a new members sales thread for your own personal gain. This is exactly the sort of behaviour that FGs are supposed to be protecting the forum against, not doing it themselves or turn a blind eye. Ask yourself - if a normal member had acted in this way would you have just ignored it, or would you have "kept the thread on track' for the sake of the new member? Surely even the discussion of this behaviour, and possible consequences, is valid??
Like I say, I have no issue at all with the FGs. Dreadnatty in particular I always enjoy your posts. You just can't all bury your heads in the sand when a fellow FG acts shamefully - I have no ulterior motive whatsoever, it is a simple matter of principal for the good of the forum, right and wrong, issues that should be top of your list in your roles as FGs. If none of you can see that or would prefer to stay out of something which paints a fellow FG in a negative light, then sadly I would say that the Forum Guardian system is not working. Shame.
As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas I really don't think a PM is the appropriate way forward, as the issue here is the public behaviour of a forum guardian, and lack of a response by other forum guardians. To discuss privately between 2 members is plainly ridiculous! If you are suggesting I am raising this as I have no loyalty to the forum and to cause disruption then you are sadly mistaken. I have never caused trouble, have no "previous" with freerange (although i have been around here long enough to see the very bad sides alongside the occasional witticism), or with any other moderator, and I actually think that Forum Guardians is a good idea and said so at the time. I have also not joined or visited the "other forum" in the hope that the good times here would eventually be back. Feel free to check any of this out. I normally don't comment on the Sandra Chevrier theads as I'm not interested in her work, you won't find me bashing threads on her either. I have raised this as it is a serious issue with THE GOOD OF THE FORUM at heart, no personal motives whatsoever. You and the other guardians must surely see that the behaviour of FR here is totally out of order, and on any forum you would be banned for using your power to lie and manipulate a new members sales thread for your own personal gain. This is exactly the sort of behaviour that FGs are supposed to be protecting the forum against, not doing it themselves or turn a blind eye. Ask yourself - if a normal member had acted in this way would you have just ignored it, or would you have "kept the thread on track' for the sake of the new member? Surely even the discussion of this behaviour, and possible consequences, is valid?? Like I say, I have no issue at all with the FGs. Dreadnatty in particular I always enjoy your posts. You just can't all bury your heads in the sand when a fellow FG acts shamefully - I have no ulterior motive whatsoever, it is a simple matter of principal for the good of the forum, right and wrong, issues that should be top of your list in your roles as FGs. If none of you can see that or would prefer to stay out of something which paints a fellow FG in a negative light, then sadly I would say that the Forum Guardian system is not working. Shame. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Gunny on Jun 24, 2015 18:35:15 GMT 1, Absolutely totally shameful behaviour from a forum guardian, shameful! Who agrees?
Absolutely totally shameful behaviour from a forum guardian, shameful! Who agrees?
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by 11 on Jun 24, 2015 18:36:14 GMT 1, As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas I really don't think a PM is the appropriate way forward, as the issue here is the public behaviour of a forum guardian, and lack of a response by other forum guardians. To discuss privately between 2 members is plainly ridiculous! If you are suggesting I am raising this as I have no loyalty to the forum and to cause disruption then you are sadly mistaken. I have never caused trouble, have no "previous" with freerange (although i have been around here long enough to see the very bad sides alongside the occasional witticism), or with any other moderator, and I actually think that Forum Guardians is a good idea and said so at the time. I have also not joined or visited the "other forum" in the hope that the good times here would eventually be back. Feel free to check any of this out. I normally don't comment on the Sandra Chevrier theads as I'm not interested in her work, you won't find me bashing threads on her either. I have raised this as it is a serious issue with THE GOOD OF THE FORUM at heart, no personal motives whatsoever. You and the other guardians must surely see that the behaviour of FR here is totally out of order, and on any forum you would be banned for using your power to lie and manipulate a new members sales thread for your own personal gain. This is exactly the sort of behaviour that FGs are supposed to be protecting the forum against, not doing it themselves or turn a blind eye. Ask yourself - if a normal member had acted in this way would you have just ignored it, or would you have "kept the thread on track' for the sake of the new member? Surely even the discussion of this behaviour, and possible consequences, is valid?? Like I say, I have no issue at all with the FGs. Dreadnatty in particular I always enjoy your posts. You just can't all bury your heads in the sand when a fellow FG acts shamefully - I have no ulterior motive whatsoever, it is a simple matter of principal for the good of the forum, right and wrong, issues that should be top of your list in your roles as FGs. If none of you can see that or would prefer to stay out of something which paints a fellow FG in a negative light, then sadly I would say that the Forum Guardian system is not working. Shame.
The only reason I have commented here was because my personal integrity was being questioned.
We are human, have real jobs to do and cannot over analyse every single post but I had noticed this thread since it started - so this is my recollection of it, i haven't gone back through to re-check - just a raw view of my thoughts through the process, please feel free to let me know at what point I protected or failed anyone:-
- The OP said he was selling a chevrier canvas, Offers via PM i didn't even have a proper look at the image
- FR stated that he was privately being encouraged to up his bid based on other unfounded bids - a practice I have seen before and one i have seen called out before. I had a quick look at the thread to see what was going on. saw dent had a low post count but actually registered 18 months ago and then moved on - I'm as sick of chevrier threads as the next.
- The OP came on and stated that he was going to run a completely open bidding process - This was new to me and thought it would be interesting to see how it pans out - privately thinking it will end up as in a farce or a slanging match
- FR opened bidding at ยฃ1500 and I thought 'he couldn't have been that pissed off - but at least its out in the open' someone went to 1501 - yep definitely going to become a farce - switched off from it all
- I saw the OP announce he was closing bidding in 15 mins and two more bids came in - bugger me it actually finished amicably i thought
I didn't look at the piece for sale nor did i consider whether it was a good or bad purchase. it was done and everyone seemed happy until it blew up after the event.
I can only assume that the crux of the issue is based on the assumption that the OP is a 'newbie' but a low post count does not necessarily mean someone is inexperienced anymore than a huge post count makes someone an expert. The guy had been around for a while and I have seen others with 5000+ posts in much less time than he has been a member.
I won't debate hypothetical theories but if you have issue with what i saw then let me know
As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas I really don't think a PM is the appropriate way forward, as the issue here is the public behaviour of a forum guardian, and lack of a response by other forum guardians. To discuss privately between 2 members is plainly ridiculous! If you are suggesting I am raising this as I have no loyalty to the forum and to cause disruption then you are sadly mistaken. I have never caused trouble, have no "previous" with freerange (although i have been around here long enough to see the very bad sides alongside the occasional witticism), or with any other moderator, and I actually think that Forum Guardians is a good idea and said so at the time. I have also not joined or visited the "other forum" in the hope that the good times here would eventually be back. Feel free to check any of this out. I normally don't comment on the Sandra Chevrier theads as I'm not interested in her work, you won't find me bashing threads on her either. I have raised this as it is a serious issue with THE GOOD OF THE FORUM at heart, no personal motives whatsoever. You and the other guardians must surely see that the behaviour of FR here is totally out of order, and on any forum you would be banned for using your power to lie and manipulate a new members sales thread for your own personal gain. This is exactly the sort of behaviour that FGs are supposed to be protecting the forum against, not doing it themselves or turn a blind eye. Ask yourself - if a normal member had acted in this way would you have just ignored it, or would you have "kept the thread on track' for the sake of the new member? Surely even the discussion of this behaviour, and possible consequences, is valid?? Like I say, I have no issue at all with the FGs. Dreadnatty in particular I always enjoy your posts. You just can't all bury your heads in the sand when a fellow FG acts shamefully - I have no ulterior motive whatsoever, it is a simple matter of principal for the good of the forum, right and wrong, issues that should be top of your list in your roles as FGs. If none of you can see that or would prefer to stay out of something which paints a fellow FG in a negative light, then sadly I would say that the Forum Guardian system is not working. Shame. - i saw you post too so didn't want you to think I'm not acknowledging it. The only reason I have commented here was because my personal integrity was being questioned. We are human, have real jobs to do and cannot over analyse every single post but I had noticed this thread since it started - so this is my recollection of it, i haven't gone back through to re-check - just a raw view of my thoughts through the process, please feel free to let me know at what point I protected or failed anyone:- - The OP said he was selling a chevrier canvas, Offers via PM i didn't even have a proper look at the image - FR stated that he was privately being encouraged to up his bid based on other unfounded bids - a practice I have seen before and one i have seen called out before. I had a quick look at the thread to see what was going on. saw dent had a low post count but actually registered 18 months ago and then moved on - I'm as sick of chevrier threads as the next. - The OP came on and stated that he was going to run a completely open bidding process - This was new to me and thought it would be interesting to see how it pans out - privately thinking it will end up as in a farce or a slanging match- FR opened bidding at ยฃ1500 and I thought 'he couldn't have been that pissed off - but at least its out in the open' someone went to 1501 - yep definitely going to become a farce - switched off from it all
- I saw the OP announce he was closing bidding in 15 mins and two more bids came in - bugger me it actually finished amicably i thought I didn't look at the piece for sale nor did i consider whether it was a good or bad purchase. it was done and everyone seemed happy until it blew up after the event. I can only assume that the crux of the issue is based on the assumption that the OP is a 'newbie' but a low post count does not necessarily mean someone is inexperienced anymore than a huge post count makes someone an expert. The guy had been around for a while and I have seen others with 5000+ posts in much less time than he has been a member. I won't debate hypothetical theories but if you have issue with what i saw then let me know |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Dibbs 45 on Jun 24, 2015 18:38:08 GMT 1, This thread has got crazily out of hand. Contrary to it seems popular belief the Forum Guardians is not a boys club, it isn't. We are there to help and we will always help people, if we can. Moreover if anyone has a problem with how I conduct myself then feel free to pm me about it and I will gladly have a chat about any issues. We are not sitting there hoping things blow over either.
For the OP its not nice to read such derogatory comments for those who seem hell bent on pure disruption. Forum Guardians are members like everyone else with a caveat to help and advise. We are volunteers who want to take the forum forward and like any member there will be questions, if something we do is not right and will be up for discussion.
This thread has got crazily out of hand. Contrary to it seems popular belief the Forum Guardians is not a boys club, it isn't. We are there to help and we will always help people, if we can. Moreover if anyone has a problem with how I conduct myself then feel free to pm me about it and I will gladly have a chat about any issues. We are not sitting there hoping things blow over either.
For the OP its not nice to read such derogatory comments for those who seem hell bent on pure disruption. Forum Guardians are members like everyone else with a caveat to help and advise. We are volunteers who want to take the forum forward and like any member there will be questions, if something we do is not right and will be up for discussion.
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by dreadnatty on Jun 24, 2015 19:05:53 GMT 1, Sorry for the delay but I was having lunch with AFR1KA. I think 11 pretty much summed up my position perfectly. While I personally wouldnt have handled things like FR, I had no problem with the public auction in the end. Anybody was free to bid(shill bid or not) and whomever wanted the piece had an opportunity to purchase. We are all adults in here and can choose/not choose to do what we like. Guardians certainly do not agree in lockstep - we have had plenty of disagreements. And finally - for me low post count does not necessarily = noobie and high post counts dont always 'know everything'. I wont be commenting further on this thread.
Edit: if you feel you need to discuss this further feel free to PM
Sorry for the delay but I was having lunch with AFR1KA. I think 11 pretty much summed up my position perfectly. While I personally wouldnt have handled things like FR, I had no problem with the public auction in the end. Anybody was free to bid(shill bid or not) and whomever wanted the piece had an opportunity to purchase. We are all adults in here and can choose/not choose to do what we like. Guardians certainly do not agree in lockstep - we have had plenty of disagreements. And finally - for me low post count does not necessarily = noobie and high post counts dont always 'know everything'. I wont be commenting further on this thread. Edit: if you feel you need to discuss this further feel free to PM |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Happy Shopper on Jun 24, 2015 19:16:42 GMT 1, This thread has got crazily out of hand. ... if something we do is not right and will be up for discussion.
We are discussing something that a few long term members are saying is not right... that does not mean it's "crazily out of hand".
FR's actions were decidedly dubious, and clearly an attempt to get a purchase at a price that suited him, or at least derail someones sale thread with unfounded accusations after having a private offer turned down.
This thread has got crazily out of hand. ... if something we do is not right and will be up for discussion. We are discussing something that a few long term members are saying is not right... that does not mean it's "crazily out of hand". FR's actions were decidedly dubious, and clearly an attempt to get a purchase at a price that suited him, or at least derail someones sale thread with unfounded accusations after having a private offer turned down. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by WOOF on Jun 24, 2015 19:39:22 GMT 1, I don't have anything to add, but will echo dreadnatty's statement above as I feel the same way about the situation.
I don't have anything to add, but will echo dreadnatty's statement above as I feel the same way about the situation. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by anic on Jun 24, 2015 19:42:16 GMT 1, I feel the same because I missed out at the last minute .
I feel the same because I missed out at the last minute .
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Sturban Has Saggy Tits on Jun 24, 2015 19:48:09 GMT 1, I think this case on it's own would not have been such a problem if it wasn't for his other recently manipulated sale of FR's Dran Sunset. Or has that been forgotten and brushed under the carpet as well. Wake up people!
I think this case on it's own would not have been such a problem if it wasn't for his other recently manipulated sale of FR's Dran Sunset. Or has that been forgotten and brushed under the carpet as well. Wake up people!
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Dibbs 45 on Jun 24, 2015 19:54:18 GMT 1, This thread has got crazily out of hand. ... if something we do is not right and will be up for discussion. We are discussing something that a few long term members are saying is not right... that does not mean it's "crazily out of hand". FR's actions were decidedly dubious, and clearly an attempt to get a purchase at a price that suited him, or at least derail someones sale thread with unfounded accusations after having a private offer turned down.
This thread has got crazily out of hand. ... if something we do is not right and will be up for discussion. We are discussing something that a few long term members are saying is not right... that does not mean it's "crazily out of hand". FR's actions were decidedly dubious, and clearly an attempt to get a purchase at a price that suited him, or at least derail someones sale thread with unfounded accusations after having a private offer turned down. Perhaps I chose the wrong wording. I merely meant the thread has become quite a few pages of debate, and will probably be a few more. And its understandable for long term members to discuss something they feel is not right. I'm sure people could PM the FG in question to discuss issues if they wanted to. I can't speak for all Forum Guardians or the one in question. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by pingoo on Jun 24, 2015 19:58:05 GMT 1, Anybody was free to bid(shill bid or not) and whomever wanted the piece had an opportunity to purchase. We are all adults in here and can choose/not choose to do what we like.
Everything is said.
You all have the chance to bid and play the game.
No need to be angry because you were late. Same rule anywhere : auction houses, ebay, forum, galleries... you are here, good for you. You are gone, no complain you've just missed it.
Anybody was free to bid(shill bid or not) and whomever wanted the piece had an opportunity to purchase. We are all adults in here and can choose/not choose to do what we like. Everything is said. You all have the chance to bid and play the game. No need to be angry because you were late. Same rule anywhere : auction houses, ebay, forum, galleries... you are here, good for you. You are gone, no complain you've just missed it. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by floubi on Jun 24, 2015 19:58:09 GMT 1, I just red this thread offline and I felt I had to login to give my humble opinion. I totally agree with you shootagain, totally.
We "all" are used to sale artwork with "offers welcome via PM". I don't know why FR got suddenly mad about that.
If this thing would have happened with 2 members , regular members and not "new member" vs "forum guardian", I would be ok with it.
But il looks to me like a conflict of interest... Totally!!
I agree guardian are human beings  collectors, "normal people" but if you want to be tagged as a forum guardian you need to accept to give "the good example" as you represent the spirit of this forum.
Dent, if you're happy with that, that's the most important but I'm not...
I just red this thread offline and I felt I had to login to give my humble opinion. I totally agree with you shootagain, totally. We "all" are used to sale artwork with "offers welcome via PM". I don't know why FR got suddenly mad about that. If this thing would have happened with 2 members , regular members and not "new member" vs "forum guardian", I would be ok with it. But il looks to me like a conflict of interest... Totally!! I agree guardian are human beings collectors, "normal people" but if you want to be tagged as a forum guardian you need to accept to give "the good example" as you represent the spirit of this forum. Dent, if you're happy with that, that's the most important but I'm not... |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by floubi on Jun 24, 2015 20:00:42 GMT 1, Anybody was free to bid(shill bid or not) and whomever wanted the piece had an opportunity to purchase. We are all adults in here and can choose/not choose to do what we like. Everything is said. You all have the chance to bid and play the game. No need to be angry because you were late. Same rule anywhere : Auction houses, ebay, forum... you are here, good for you. You are gone, no complain you've just missed it.
( and I'm not complaining because I wanted to buy it, I just like fairness...)
Anybody was free to bid(shill bid or not) and whomever wanted the piece had an opportunity to purchase. We are all adults in here and can choose/not choose to do what we like. Everything is said. You all have the chance to bid and play the game. No need to be angry because you were late. Same rule anywhere : Auction houses, ebay, forum... you are here, good for you. You are gone, no complain you've just missed it. You're right except that Auction houses and ebay have the same rules for everyone!! ( and I'm not complaining because I wanted to buy it, I just like fairness...) |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Gunny on Jun 24, 2015 20:07:49 GMT 1, The problem is this - it is not even about this thread, it goes far beyond that. FR has been dodgy in his comments, behaviour and dealings in the past. I have never known a forum member to be more disliked than this guy, not only now but in the past! A few witty comments cannot detract from that fact! Over and out!
The problem is this - it is not even about this thread, it goes far beyond that. FR has been dodgy in his comments, behaviour and dealings in the past. I have never known a forum member to be more disliked than this guy, not only now but in the past! A few witty comments cannot detract from that fact! Over and out!
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Dungle on Jun 24, 2015 20:26:46 GMT 1, The forum that keeps giving.
The forum that keeps giving.
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Shoot Again on Jun 24, 2015 21:39:03 GMT 1, As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas
Just to be clear, I did not "wait till AFTER the event so I could cause trouble", I could only complain about what I felt was a conflict of interest once the auction was over and Fะฏ's master plan had worked out ! Can you get that at least ? Accusing Fะฏ of wrong doing BEFORE him winning (after he said he'd pulled out) would have been wrong of me, nothing I could do before the whole thing unraveled...
As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas Just to be clear, I did not "wait till AFTER the event so I could cause trouble", I could only complain about what I felt was a conflict of interest once the auction was over and Fะฏ's master plan had worked out ! Can you get that at least ? Accusing Fะฏ of wrong doing BEFORE him winning (after he said he'd pulled out) would have been wrong of me, nothing I could do before the whole thing unraveled... |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Shoot Again on Jun 24, 2015 21:42:18 GMT 1, As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas Just to be clear, I did not "wait till AFTER the event so I could cause trouble", I could only complain about what I felt was a conflict of interest once the auction was over and Fะฏ's master plan had worked out ! Can you get that at least ? Accusing Fะฏ of wrong doing BEFORE him winning (after he said he'd pulled out) would have been wrong of me, nothing I could do before the whole thing unraveled...
However, fair to say we could have hoped for one of the Forum Guardians to prevent Fะฏ to behave the way he did BEFORE the end of the auction... That would probably have been too much to ask though ;-)
As per Dread's post - if you have issue with my conduct then PM me As with everything else, waiting till after the event just so you can cause trouble is poor form and sadly it seems those with real issue have no loyalty to this forum at all and are doing it purely to cause yet more disruption. If this had all been raised in good time then i would have given it some serious consideration but seems to me designed purely as propaganda to serve some very personal agendas Just to be clear, I did not "wait till AFTER the event so I could cause trouble", I could only complain about what I felt was a conflict of interest once the auction was over and Fะฏ's master plan had worked out ! Can you get that at least ? Accusing Fะฏ of wrong doing BEFORE him winning (after he said he'd pulled out) would have been wrong of me, nothing I could do before the whole thing unraveled... However, fair to say we could have hoped for one of the Forum Guardians to prevent Fะฏ to behave the way he did BEFORE the end of the auction... That would probably have been too much to ask though ;-) |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by danbongo on Jun 24, 2015 21:46:40 GMT 1, This thread is a shining example of why the new guardians should have been picked on more than the basis of 'pick me I'm special'.
Never heard the counter of loyalty to a forum, so kudos for thinking of such a humorous explanation for allowing frankly despicable behaviour.
This thread is a shining example of why the new guardians should have been picked on more than the basis of 'pick me I'm special'.
Never heard the counter of loyalty to a forum, so kudos for thinking of such a humorous explanation for allowing frankly despicable behaviour.
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by dreadnatty on Jun 24, 2015 21:50:11 GMT 1, Just to be clear, I did not "wait till AFTER the event so I could cause trouble", I could only complain about what I felt was a conflict of interest once the auction was over and Fะฏ's master plan had worked out ! Can you get that at least ? Accusing Fะฏ of wrong doing BEFORE him winning (after he said he'd pulled out) would have been wrong of me, nothing I could do before the whole thing unraveled... However, fair to say we could have hoped for one of the Forum Guardians to prevent Fะฏ to behave the way he did BEFORE the end of the auction... That would probably have been too much to ask though ;-)
Just to be clear, I did not "wait till AFTER the event so I could cause trouble", I could only complain about what I felt was a conflict of interest once the auction was over and Fะฏ's master plan had worked out ! Can you get that at least ? Accusing Fะฏ of wrong doing BEFORE him winning (after he said he'd pulled out) would have been wrong of me, nothing I could do before the whole thing unraveled... However, fair to say we could have hoped for one of the Forum Guardians to prevent Fะฏ to behave the way he did BEFORE the end of the auction... That would probably have been too much to ask though ;-) Clearly, you believe that we have more power than we do. All we can do is edit and/or move posts. Thats it. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by danbongo on Jun 24, 2015 21:55:18 GMT 1, However, fair to say we could have hoped for one of the Forum Guardians to prevent Fะฏ to behave the way he did BEFORE the end of the auction... That would probably have been too much to ask though ;-) Clearly, you believe that we have more power than we do. All we can do is edit and/or move posts. Thats it.ย
That is an incredibly dishonest reply as you well know.
Your power is of course to use your position to effect behaviour. This thread is proof of that.
However, fair to say we could have hoped for one of the Forum Guardians to prevent Fะฏ to behave the way he did BEFORE the end of the auction... That would probably have been too much to ask though ;-) Clearly, you believe that we have more power than we do. All we can do is edit and/or move posts. Thats it.ย That is an incredibly dishonest reply as you well know. Your power is of course to use your position to effect behaviour. This thread is proof of that. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by dreadnatty on Jun 24, 2015 22:05:28 GMT 1, Clearly, you believe that we have more power than we do. All we can do is edit and/or move posts. Thats it. That is an incredibly dishonest reply as you well know. Your power is of course to use your position to effect behaviour. This thread is proof of that.
Clearly, you believe that we have more power than we do. All we can do is edit and/or move posts. Thats it. That is an incredibly dishonest reply as you well know. Your power is of course to use your position to effect behaviour. This thread is proof of that. You might not agree or like my answer but it was honest. Im officially done with this thread. Anybody wants to discuss this can PM me. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by danbongo on Jun 24, 2015 22:13:21 GMT 1, As always on this forum no clear resolution, no clear explanation, just sweep it under the carpet.
As always on this forum no clear resolution, no clear explanation, just sweep it under the carpet.
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by 11 on Jun 24, 2015 22:32:00 GMT 1, I've previously posted my observations on this thread and invited some guidance on where I havent fulfilled my duties as a guardian. Shoot clearly saw something I didn't and maybe if he felt that strongly but didn't want to openly share it should have reached out to the seller.
I think the best approach now would be to PM Dan and make a formal complaint but I don't know what you expect me to add.
I've previously posted my observations on this thread and invited some guidance on where I havent fulfilled my duties as a guardian. Shoot clearly saw something I didn't and maybe if he felt that strongly but didn't want to openly share it should have reached out to the seller.
I think the best approach now would be to PM Dan and make a formal complaint but I don't know what you expect me to add.
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Unica on Jun 24, 2015 22:37:31 GMT 1, As always on this forum no clear resolution, no clear explanation, just sweep it under the carpet.
Indeed pretty spineless leadership by the so called Guardians. I feel like the seller got taken advantage. I suggest he should relist this piece and get fair market value. Surely he can't be happy with this amount now knowing that he has been had.
Never really collected Chevrier as I thought an original was $3k.
As always on this forum no clear resolution, no clear explanation, just sweep it under the carpet. Indeed pretty spineless leadership by the so called Guardians. I feel like the seller got taken advantage. I suggest he should relist this piece and get fair market value. Surely he can't be happy with this amount now knowing that he has been had. Never really collected Chevrier as I thought an original was $3k. |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by madeinnorway on Jun 24, 2015 23:01:30 GMT 1, Really think FR`s silence says more than a 1000 posts on this subject
Really think FR`s silence says more than a 1000 posts on this subject
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 23:43:22 GMT 1, C'mon @freerange Get up and defend yourself. I think FR had every right to toss in a last minute bid, but if you are in a position of power you have to be a bit clever with it. You don't see the queen doing the lottery do you? imagine the f**king uproar if she won the treble rollover..
Have you not seen her house?
C'mon @freerange Get up and defend yourself. I think FR had every right to toss in a last minute bid, but if you are in a position of power you have to be a bit clever with it. You don't see the queen doing the lottery do you? imagine the f**king uproar if she won the treble rollover.. Have you not seen her house? |
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 1:21:36 GMT 1, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHO CARES!!! LEAVE FR ALONE! YOU GUYS ALWAYS RAG ON HIM! BOTH THE SELLER AND THE BUYER ARE BOTH HAPPY! NOW EVERYONE SHOULD JUST FUCK OFF AND LET IT BE! WHO THE FUCK CARES? YA'LL JUST MAD BECAUSE FR IS A HUSTLER AND HE'S AWESOME AT WHAT HE DOES! JESUS GET OFF HIS NUT SACK!!!
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHO CARES!!! LEAVE FR ALONE! YOU GUYS ALWAYS RAG ON HIM! BOTH THE SELLER AND THE BUYER ARE BOTH HAPPY! NOW EVERYONE SHOULD JUST FUCK OFF AND LET IT BE! WHO THE FUCK CARES? YA'LL JUST MAD BECAUSE FR IS A HUSTLER AND HE'S AWESOME AT WHAT HE DOES! JESUS GET OFF HIS NUT SACK!!!
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Sandra Chevrier - Original on canvas, by danbongo on Jun 25, 2015 2:00:59 GMT 1, JESUS f**king CHRIST WHO CARES!!! LEAVE FR ALONE! YOU GUYS ALWAYS RAG ON HIM! BOTH THE SELLER AND THE BUYER ARE BOTH HAPPY! NOW EVERYONE SHOULD JUST f**k OFF AND LET IT BE! WHO THE f**k CARES? YA'LL JUST MAD BECAUSE FR IS A HUSTLER AND HE'S AWESOME AT WHAT HE DOES! JESUS GET OFF HIS NUT SACK!!!
How old are you? 13?
JESUS f**king CHRIST WHO CARES!!! LEAVE FR ALONE! YOU GUYS ALWAYS RAG ON HIM! BOTH THE SELLER AND THE BUYER ARE BOTH HAPPY! NOW EVERYONE SHOULD JUST f**k OFF AND LET IT BE! WHO THE f**k CARES? YA'LL JUST MAD BECAUSE FR IS A HUSTLER AND HE'S AWESOME AT WHAT HE DOES! JESUS GET OFF HIS NUT SACK!!! How old are you? 13? |
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collectors, "normal people" but if you want to be tagged as a forum guardian you need to accept to give "the good example" as you represent the spirit of this forum.
