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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 23:02:51 GMT 1, It doesnt stop those who u deem stupid shelling out big style for a signed version of a print. I dont know whether Banksy touched any print, i was just having a bit of fun, but i have read posts on here by those far more in the know than me regards who signed his prints and that Eine mibbe signed a few It's certainly possible eine was involved yes. I just have a different view of signed / unsigned and that's healthy Indeed it is.
It doesnt stop those who u deem stupid shelling out big style for a signed version of a print. I dont know whether Banksy touched any print, i was just having a bit of fun, but i have read posts on here by those far more in the know than me regards who signed his prints and that Eine mibbe signed a few It's certainly possible eine was involved yes. I just have a different view of signed / unsigned and that's healthy Indeed it is.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on May 31, 2017 18:28:38 GMT 1, And there you have it... ยฃ26,000. Discussion concluded. I am not sure if fees are included in the price listed below.
And there you have it... ยฃ26,000. Discussion concluded. I am not sure if fees are included in the price listed below.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on May 31, 2017 18:47:23 GMT 1, I could be wrong but think buyers premium is 20%, if so hammered 26.5k gbp plus 20% = 31.8k gbp.... someone should of taken it at 30k last week. Clearly not a 22-24k print.
I could be wrong but think buyers premium is 20%, if so hammered 26.5k gbp plus 20% = 31.8k gbp.... someone should of taken it at 30k last week. Clearly not a 22-24k print.
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Banksy HMV Print, by ogmystery1 on May 31, 2017 19:09:06 GMT 1, Not to add to this already crazy long thread, but I have to agree with what some folks have pointed out about signed vs unsigned. I remember a few years ago telling a local collector / gallery owner that unsigned Banksy prints would eventually start going for well over $7k. My logic was that signed works would eventually fall into the hands of collectors who have no interest in giving them up. Therefore, driving the price up. Anyone who wanted a Banksy would have to settle for unsigned. At the time, I was laughed at....
With that being said, I think the reason why we're seeing a spike in LP covers is because unsigned works have been getting a bit harder to find at decent prices. My thoughts are the gap between signed vs unsigned will continue getting smaller and smaller.
Not to add to this already crazy long thread, but I have to agree with what some folks have pointed out about signed vs unsigned. I remember a few years ago telling a local collector / gallery owner that unsigned Banksy prints would eventually start going for well over $7k. My logic was that signed works would eventually fall into the hands of collectors who have no interest in giving them up. Therefore, driving the price up. Anyone who wanted a Banksy would have to settle for unsigned. At the time, I was laughed at....
With that being said, I think the reason why we're seeing a spike in LP covers is because unsigned works have been getting a bit harder to find at decent prices. My thoughts are the gap between signed vs unsigned will continue getting smaller and smaller.
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Banksy HMV Print, by sczoso on May 31, 2017 19:10:00 GMT 1, All I know is...TommyTucker is a happy fu$&er.
All I know is...TommyTucker is a happy fu$&er.
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Banksy HMV Print, by jluhiex on May 31, 2017 19:12:57 GMT 1, Depending on auction fees to seller (6%-10%) if it sold for ยฃ26k he would have netted less than what he was asking for on here. We all know auction settings are a different beast than pps.
Depending on auction fees to seller (6%-10%) if it sold for ยฃ26k he would have netted less than what he was asking for on here. We all know auction settings are a different beast than pps.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Catman 74 on May 31, 2017 20:14:13 GMT 1, They don't charge 15%.. For that sale is 6%.
They don't charge 15%.. For that sale is 6%.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Poster Bob on May 31, 2017 21:16:25 GMT 1, They charge the seller nothing for items of this value. There is no listing fee nor is there a commission charged to the seller. The only money he'll lose out on is the bad exchange rate banks charge.
They don't charge 15%.. For that sale is 6%.
They charge the seller nothing for items of this value. There is no listing fee nor is there a commission charged to the seller. The only money he'll lose out on is the bad exchange rate banks charge. They don't charge 15%.. For that sale is 6%.
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Banksy HMV Print, by jluhiex on May 31, 2017 21:48:01 GMT 1, Unless he's bringing major heat and multiple items he's getting charged. Why don't we see the invoice from tommytucker. I know gallery owners who've sold 300k oils (multiple items) that were charged on average 6%.
Unless he's bringing major heat and multiple items he's getting charged. Why don't we see the invoice from tommytucker. I know gallery owners who've sold 300k oils (multiple items) that were charged on average 6%.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Matt on May 31, 2017 21:57:28 GMT 1, They charge the seller nothing for items of this value. There is no listing fee nor is there a commission charged to the seller. The only money he'll lose out on is the bad exchange rate banks charge. They don't charge 15%.. For that sale is 6%.
What kind of auction houses are we talking about here ?
Am genuinely interested to know who waives fees on a 20-30k piece ? Are we talking about the ones that auction mostly LPs and other posters, or high street names ?
They charge the seller nothing for items of this value. There is no listing fee nor is there a commission charged to the seller. The only money he'll lose out on is the bad exchange rate banks charge. They don't charge 15%.. For that sale is 6%. What kind of auction houses are we talking about here ? Am genuinely interested to know who waives fees on a 20-30k piece ? Are we talking about the ones that auction mostly LPs and other posters, or high street names ?
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Banksy HMV Print, by mla on May 31, 2017 22:15:40 GMT 1,
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Banksy HMV Print, by jluhiex on May 31, 2017 22:44:05 GMT 1, Artnet isnt exactly an auction house. Items never actually leave the seller and provenance is done with pictures and sellers word. No overhead means no fees. With that said, there were no fees on sellers side.
Artnet isnt exactly an auction house. Items never actually leave the seller and provenance is done with pictures and sellers word. No overhead means no fees. With that said, there were no fees on sellers side.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Matt on Jun 1, 2017 2:15:39 GMT 1,
My bad, somehow missed the post saying this was artnet. Makes sense in that case as they are not an auction house, rather a matchmaking service...
My bad, somehow missed the post saying this was artnet. Makes sense in that case as they are not an auction house, rather a matchmaking service...
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Banksy HMV Print, by JJN on Jun 1, 2017 4:27:16 GMT 1, Alright guys, unsigned now = signed, because @russky75 said so. I hate to break it to you, but this isn't "any other market"...It's the art market, where we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars for a piece of paper with some ink on it, wherein historically, the artist's signature on the work has held a great degree of significance. The real question is why the originals he did paint rather than the posters are not going ballistic.
Either Prints are too high or probably more likely the originals are far too low.
Alright guys, unsigned now = signed, because @russky75 said so. I hate to break it to you, but this isn't "any other market"...It's the art market, where we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars for a piece of paper with some ink on it, wherein historically, the artist's signature on the work has held a great degree of significance. The real question is why the originals he did paint rather than the posters are not going ballistic. Either Prints are too high or probably more likely the originals are far too low.
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Banksy HMV Print, by jmd on Jun 1, 2017 4:46:08 GMT 1, I don't think I'll ever get my head around the fact that a piece of paper can command that amount of money..
You do realize that money is in fact... just a piece of paper.
Banksy paper is way nicer on the eyes than government issued paper
I don't think I'll ever get my head around the fact that a piece of paper can command that amount of money.. You do realize that money is in fact... just a piece of paper. Banksy paper is way nicer on the eyes than government issued paper
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 15:42:34 GMT 1, As usual the same hype monkeys hype every print ! The fact is this print sold for $32,000?! That's around ยฃ24k to the seller So thank you !! Not even close to ยฃ30k!!
As usual the same hype monkeys hype every print ! The fact is this print sold for $32,000?! That's around ยฃ24k to the seller So thank you !! Not even close to ยฃ30k!!
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 15:46:11 GMT 1, As usual the same hype monkeys hype every print ! The fact is this print sold for $32,000?! That's around ยฃ24k to the seller So thank you !! Not even close to ยฃ30k!!
Give it a month and they will be at ยฃ50k
LOL I am feeling Hyper
Hype hype
As usual the same hype monkeys hype every print ! The fact is this print sold for $32,000?! That's around ยฃ24k to the seller So thank you !! Not even close to ยฃ30k!! Give it a month and they will be at ยฃ50k LOL I am feeling Hyper Hype hype
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Banksy HMV Print, by jmd on Jun 1, 2017 18:33:49 GMT 1, You are right it isnt worth ยฃ15k, its worth an extra ยฃ50k in the case of Girl With Red Balloon ! Bob (Poster variant) used to regularly post on signed being the only way to go, not sure where he stands on this nowadays. Same paper , same print , same process, same time. Please pay an extra 10, 20, 50k for the signature of a person or persons who are anonymous. In any other world that would be deemed moronic! Hi I like that Range Rover at 50k but can you get them to sign it for another 50k!!! lol stupid is as stupid does! Going to have to respectfully disagree completely! (Emphasis added!) The signature is a YUGE part of the art imho. We are not talking about original paintings but prints. Therefore the actual signature is the only "stamp of approval" for lack of a better term to prove that this was in fact created and endorsed by the artist. Otherwise lets just call it a poster that perhaps the artist had nothing to do with at all and never even looked at. He could have easily just over the phone given the printer the "go ahead". I know that I am not alone in thinking this way as it is a proven fact that signed prints do and (imo always will) command a significant premium over the non signed prints (posters).
You are right it isnt worth ยฃ15k, its worth an extra ยฃ50k in the case of Girl With Red Balloon ! Bob (Poster variant) used to regularly post on signed being the only way to go, not sure where he stands on this nowadays. Same paper , same print , same process, same time. Please pay an extra 10, 20, 50k for the signature of a person or persons who are anonymous. In any other world that would be deemed moronic! Hi I like that Range Rover at 50k but can you get them to sign it for another 50k!!! lol stupid is as stupid does! Going to have to respectfully disagree completely! (Emphasis added!) The signature is a YUGE part of the art imho. We are not talking about original paintings but prints. Therefore the actual signature is the only "stamp of approval" for lack of a better term to prove that this was in fact created and endorsed by the artist. Otherwise lets just call it a poster that perhaps the artist had nothing to do with at all and never even looked at. He could have easily just over the phone given the printer the "go ahead". I know that I am not alone in thinking this way as it is a proven fact that signed prints do and (imo always will) command a significant premium over the non signed prints (posters).
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Banksy HMV Print, by Viscount Jerkoff on Jun 1, 2017 18:43:17 GMT 1, Well nowadays it's the COA that really provides the value to Banksy works, that's what really matters. Otherwise the gift prints people sell would really be valuable, but their not.
Well nowadays it's the COA that really provides the value to Banksy works, that's what really matters. Otherwise the gift prints people sell would really be valuable, but their not.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 18:43:55 GMT 1, Same paper , same print , same process, same time. Please pay an extra 10, 20, 50k for the signature of a person or persons who are anonymous. In any other world that would be deemed moronic! Hi I like that Range Rover at 50k but can you get them to sign it for another 50k!!! lol stupid is as stupid does! Going to have to respectfully disagree completely! (Emphasis added!) The signature is a YUGE part of the art imho. We are not talking about original paintings but prints. Therefore the actual signature is the only "stamp of approval" for lack of a better term to prove that this was in fact created and endorsed by the artist. Otherwise lets just call it a poster that perhaps the artist had nothing to do with at all and never even looked at. He could have easily just over the phone given the printer the "go ahead". I know that I am not alone in thinking this way as it is a proven fact that signed prints do and (imo always will) command a significant premium over the non signed prints (posters). [
Respectfully disagree back banksy didn't even sign all the prints, he didn't actually put a lot of the street art on the walls in the early days. The pest control COA is all that matters. Would a Monet or a basquit that was 100% real but not signed by worth less? I doubt it very much
Same paper , same print , same process, same time. Please pay an extra 10, 20, 50k for the signature of a person or persons who are anonymous. In any other world that would be deemed moronic! Hi I like that Range Rover at 50k but can you get them to sign it for another 50k!!! lol stupid is as stupid does! Going to have to respectfully disagree completely! (Emphasis added!) The signature is a YUGE part of the art imho. We are not talking about original paintings but prints. Therefore the actual signature is the only "stamp of approval" for lack of a better term to prove that this was in fact created and endorsed by the artist. Otherwise lets just call it a poster that perhaps the artist had nothing to do with at all and never even looked at. He could have easily just over the phone given the printer the "go ahead". I know that I am not alone in thinking this way as it is a proven fact that signed prints do and (imo always will) command a significant premium over the non signed prints (posters). [ Respectfully disagree back banksy didn't even sign all the prints, he didn't actually put a lot of the street art on the walls in the early days. The pest control COA is all that matters. Would a Monet or a basquit that was 100% real but not signed by worth less? I doubt it very much
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Banksy HMV Print, by jmd on Jun 1, 2017 18:49:56 GMT 1, Going to have to respectfully disagree completely! (Emphasis added!) The signature is a YUGE part of the art imho. We are not talking about original paintings but prints. Therefore the actual signature is the only "stamp of approval" for lack of a better term to prove that this was in fact created and endorsed by the artist. Otherwise lets just call it a poster that perhaps the artist had nothing to do with at all and never even looked at. He could have easily just over the phone given the printer the "go ahead". I know that I am not alone in thinking this way as it is a proven fact that signed prints do and (imo always will) command a significant premium over the non signed prints (posters). [ Respectfully disagree back banksy didn't even sign all the prints, he didn't actually put a lot of the street art on the walls in the early days. The pest control COA is all that matters. Would a Monet or a basquit that was 100% real but not signed by worth less? I doubt it very much As a matter of fact I believe an unsigned real Monet or Basquit would be worth less than an identical that was signed. I completely agree that the pest control COA is a must but it is not "all that matters". As a pest control COA + signed is even better!
Going to have to respectfully disagree completely! (Emphasis added!) The signature is a YUGE part of the art imho. We are not talking about original paintings but prints. Therefore the actual signature is the only "stamp of approval" for lack of a better term to prove that this was in fact created and endorsed by the artist. Otherwise lets just call it a poster that perhaps the artist had nothing to do with at all and never even looked at. He could have easily just over the phone given the printer the "go ahead". I know that I am not alone in thinking this way as it is a proven fact that signed prints do and (imo always will) command a significant premium over the non signed prints (posters). [ Respectfully disagree back banksy didn't even sign all the prints, he didn't actually put a lot of the street art on the walls in the early days. The pest control COA is all that matters. Would a Monet or a basquit that was 100% real but not signed by worth less? I doubt it very much As a matter of fact I believe an unsigned real Monet or Basquit would be worth less than an identical that was signed. I completely agree that the pest control COA is a must but it is not "all that matters". As a pest control COA + signed is even better!
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 18:53:09 GMT 1, Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT
Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:04:26 GMT 1, Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT
What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ?
Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ?
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:08:44 GMT 1, Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ?
Pointless, pedantic, irrelevant question
Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ? Pointless, pedantic, irrelevant question
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Banksy HMV Print, by Laugh Now 10 on Jun 1, 2017 19:21:42 GMT 1, Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ?
Those signed print editions with no unsigned counterpart are sound investments, IMO, for any savy collector with $$ to spend. Plus, as demand continues to rise (along with price), there are only so many pieces available and even less in "mint" condition so these are the prints (especially NOLA) that I would focus on. The art world has never seen anything like the B market for a living artist. Who knows where it goes from here. Cheers.
Better yes but basic economics tell us the more expensive something becomes the less people can afford it. In this case we have a plan B. If people can't afford signed but can afford unsigned then that market starts to grow much quicker. I genuinely believe the gap will close in 5 years. But hey just my thoughts. I get it wrong A LOT What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ? Those signed print editions with no unsigned counterpart are sound investments, IMO, for any savy collector with $$ to spend. Plus, as demand continues to rise (along with price), there are only so many pieces available and even less in "mint" condition so these are the prints (especially NOLA) that I would focus on. The art world has never seen anything like the B market for a living artist. Who knows where it goes from here. Cheers.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:30:46 GMT 1, What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ? Pointless, pedantic, irrelevant question is it?
i am interested in the answer
i would have thought they should just by the nature of them being a smaller edition go up more
Take a Reaper, edition of 300 against a Flying copper, edition of 750. the reaper should be worth more than the signed Copper, shouldn't it?
What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ? Pointless, pedantic, irrelevant question is it? i am interested in the answer i would have thought they should just by the nature of them being a smaller edition go up more Take a Reaper, edition of 300 against a Flying copper, edition of 750. the reaper should be worth more than the signed Copper, shouldn't it?
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Banksy HMV Print, by mla on Jun 1, 2017 19:36:24 GMT 1, I think it's more image dependent than anything, regardless of whether an unsigned version of the image exists.
I think it's more image dependent than anything, regardless of whether an unsigned version of the image exists.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:43:01 GMT 1, What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ? Pointless, pedantic, irrelevant question
Russ for once i wasnt being any of that, i was genuinely interested in your take on these prints ! The only signed prints i have are of this nature hence my question.
What do you think will happen to the price / value of signed prints for which there isnt an unsigned version ? Pointless, pedantic, irrelevant question Russ for once i wasnt being any of that, i was genuinely interested in your take on these prints ! The only signed prints i have are of this nature hence my question.
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Banksy HMV Print, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:55:12 GMT 1, Ok...
If you want a signed banksy and you can't afford it and there is no unsigned, you can't afford it, simple If you want any banksy just to own a banksy, go have a good hard look in the mirror. Buy the image not the person. If you want, for instance a flying copper and have ยฃ11000 budget you can't afford a signed so unsigned is the Only available option. In time as all signed become more like ยฃ40000 each, the amount of people who can afford them reduces a great deal. This means the unsigned market has more people buying and should therefore grow quicker. This makes perfect sense to me.
I may be totally wrong but I trust my judgmentment
Ok... If you want a signed banksy and you can't afford it and there is no unsigned, you can't afford it, simple If you want any banksy just to own a banksy, go have a good hard look in the mirror. Buy the image not the person. If you want, for instance a flying copper and have ยฃ11000 budget you can't afford a signed so unsigned is the Only available option. In time as all signed become more like ยฃ40000 each, the amount of people who can afford them reduces a great deal. This means the unsigned market has more people buying and should therefore grow quicker. This makes perfect sense to me. I may be totally wrong but I trust my judgmentment
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