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Donald Trump, by Pawel on Oct 26, 2024 7:53:22 GMT 1, Not going to create a separate thread just for that but as they are all family and friends
Not going to create a separate thread just for that but as they are all family and friends |
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Donald Trump, by Londown 01 on Oct 26, 2024 8:44:10 GMT 1, Not going to create a separate thread just for that but as they are all family and friends
All those right and far right parties seem to share many of the same "ideals", even when it comes to art and architecture: the Republicans and Trump also tried to have all federal buildings in a (neo-)classical style only ...
The historical parallels are - again - quite obvious.
Not going to create a separate thread just for that but as they are all family and friends All those right and far right parties seem to share many of the same "ideals", even when it comes to art and architecture: the Republicans and Trump also tried to have all federal buildings in a (neo-)classical style only ... The historical parallels are - again - quite obvious. |
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Donald Trump, by state on Oct 26, 2024 17:43:26 GMT 1, ironic how grown men who despise trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless)
to my fellow Americans remember to go out and vote. Let the polls do the talking
Godspeed
ironic how grown men who despise trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless)
to my fellow Americans remember to go out and vote. Let the polls do the talking
Godspeed
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Donald Trump, by Londown 01 on Oct 26, 2024 17:50:25 GMT 1, ironic how grown men who despite trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless)
Meaning what exactly?
That you cannot debate something when you're grown? Or that you can only have a lengthy discussion about something you like? Or that you can only have an opinion about something that will directly affect you?
ironic how grown men who despite trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless) Meaning what exactly? That you cannot debate something when you're grown? Or that you can only have a lengthy discussion about something you like? Or that you can only have an opinion about something that will directly affect you? |
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state
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Donald Trump, by state on Oct 26, 2024 17:58:50 GMT 1, ironic how grown men who despite trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless) Meaning what exactly? That you cannot debate something when you're grown? Or that you can only have a lengthy discussion about something you like? Or that you can only have an opinion about something that will directly affect you?
Godspeed
ironic how grown men who despite trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless) Meaning what exactly? That you cannot debate something when you're grown? Or that you can only have a lengthy discussion about something you like? Or that you can only have an opinion about something that will directly affect you? meaning its very one sided to even have a debate. Insults and name calling bring nothing of value here. Godspeed |
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Donald Trump, by Londown 01 on Oct 26, 2024 18:35:56 GMT 1, meaning its very one sided to even have a debate. Insults and name calling bring nothing of value here. Godspeed
Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger.
And: There is, in all likelihood, no God.
meaning its very one sided to even have a debate. Insults and name calling bring nothing of value here. Godspeed Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger. And: There is, in all likelihood, no God. |
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Donald Trump, by Smokeidaeye on Oct 26, 2024 19:15:05 GMT 1, meaning its very one sided to even have a debate. Insults and name calling bring nothing of value here. Godspeed Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger. And: There is, in all likelihood, no God.
Not to mention the fact that this thread is "one sided" for a reason. Regardless of who he has run against (Hillary, Biden, or Harris), Trump has proven to be the most polarizing politician in US history. His words and actions have raised serious questions and concerns from everyone around him other than those who need him for political gain (and remember, even a ton of them spoke out against him right after January 6th, but eventually were forced to fall back in line or risk losing support from the MAGA base). And it isn't because people "are out to get him" like he pretends, it is all his doing.
Have you ever heard him say anything positive about the country and/or any consistent, from-the-heart (i.e. non-teleprompter) message of unity, prosperity, and positive vision? It is always doom and gloom, "they are all coming to get you" fear mongering, whether it is Democrats, the media, non-Christian religions, most women (other than to sexualize them), members of the LGBTQ community, brown people, anyone in government who doesn't kiss the ring, etc. Harris has her flaws but just listen to her describe America versus how Trump sees it. I forget who said it, but just count the number of "me's" in his rally speeches versus the number of "we's".
Trump can't even SMILE without it looking painfully forced, let alone speak with any type of joy or togetherness.
meaning its very one sided to even have a debate. Insults and name calling bring nothing of value here. Godspeed Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger. And: There is, in all likelihood, no God.
Not to mention the fact that this thread is "one sided" for a reason. Regardless of who he has run against (Hillary, Biden, or Harris), Trump has proven to be the most polarizing politician in US history. His words and actions have raised serious questions and concerns from everyone around him other than those who need him for political gain (and remember, even a ton of them spoke out against him right after January 6th, but eventually were forced to fall back in line or risk losing support from the MAGA base). And it isn't because people "are out to get him" like he pretends, it is all his doing.
Have you ever heard him say anything positive about the country and/or any consistent, from-the-heart (i.e. non-teleprompter) message of unity, prosperity, and positive vision? It is always doom and gloom, "they are all coming to get you" fear mongering, whether it is Democrats, the media, non-Christian religions, most women (other than to sexualize them), members of the LGBTQ community, brown people, anyone in government who doesn't kiss the ring, etc. Harris has her flaws but just listen to her describe America versus how Trump sees it. I forget who said it, but just count the number of "me's" in his rally speeches versus the number of "we's".
Trump can't even SMILE without it looking painfully forced, let alone speak with any type of joy or togetherness.
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Donald Trump, by Acme Thunderer on Oct 26, 2024 19:15:16 GMT 1, ironic how grown men who despise trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless) to my fellow Americans remember to go out and vote. Let the polls do the talking Godspeed
It looks like this election hasnโt been debated much, which is a shame considering US presidents have a major influence across the world.
I certainly echo the sentiment that everyone should vote (and not just to win $1 million from Elon Musk).
Iโm sure all Europeanโs wish the anti-abortion, pro-gun, Putin schmoozing, porn star f*cker all the best in the election.
ironic how grown men who despise trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless) to my fellow Americans remember to go out and vote. Let the polls do the talking Godspeed The thread was started in 2015 and there have only been 2 pages of comments in 2024. It looks like this election hasnโt been debated much, which is a shame considering US presidents have a major influence across the world. I certainly echo the sentiment that everyone should vote (and not just to win $1 million from Elon Musk). Iโm sure all Europeanโs wish the anti-abortion, pro-gun, Putin schmoozing, porn star f*cker all the best in the election. |
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Donald Trump, by state on Oct 26, 2024 19:17:28 GMT 1, meaning its very one sided to even have a debate. Insults and name calling bring nothing of value here. Godspeed Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger. And: There is, in all likelihood, no God.
find love brother. your heart is filled with too much hate
And: a quick google search says 70%+ of the world disagrees with you. Perhaps you know something we dont?
Anyways, we are all entitled to an opinion. The beauty of free speech
Godspeed
meaning its very one sided to even have a debate. Insults and name calling bring nothing of value here. Godspeed Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger. And: There is, in all likelihood, no God. you should really take a page from your own book. after all, you are the one name calling a 78 year old man... find love brother. your heart is filled with too much hate And: a quick google search says 70%+ of the world disagrees with you. Perhaps you know something we dont? Anyways, we are all entitled to an opinion. The beauty of free speech Godspeed |
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Donald Trump, by Londown 01 on Oct 26, 2024 19:21:33 GMT 1, you are the one name calling a 78 year old man...
What exactly did I say (that would qualify as "name calling")?
you are the one name calling a 78 year old man... What exactly did I say (that would qualify as "name calling")? |
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Donald Trump, by Smokeidaeye on Oct 26, 2024 19:28:30 GMT 1, 70% of the world agrees with what exactly?
That Trump cares more about the praise of dictators than our allies or even non-base voter Americans?
This is him today on the Joe Rogan podcast, again praising a dictator (Kim Jong Un) while villainizing any US citizen who doesn't praise him.
โI got to know him very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart, really the right president, the smart president, youโre not going to have a problem. And I say it to people, we have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within, and it drives them crazy when I use that term. But we have an enemy from within. We have people that are really bad people that I really think want to make this country unsuccessful,โ Trump said.
70% of the world agrees with what exactly?
That Trump cares more about the praise of dictators than our allies or even non-base voter Americans?
This is him today on the Joe Rogan podcast, again praising a dictator (Kim Jong Un) while villainizing any US citizen who doesn't praise him.
โI got to know him very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart, really the right president, the smart president, youโre not going to have a problem. And I say it to people, we have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within, and it drives them crazy when I use that term. But we have an enemy from within. We have people that are really bad people that I really think want to make this country unsuccessful,โ Trump said.
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Donald Trump, by Pete the Post on Oct 26, 2024 20:05:26 GMT 1, Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger. And: There is, in all likelihood, no God. find love brother. your heart is filled with too much hate
Knowing that other people think as you do is actually very comforting, and there is a lot of psychological benefits to venting your anger. And: There is, in all likelihood, no God. find love brother. your heart is filled with too much hate This will look a bit silly if trump gets in. Its also a little odd (parody odd!) considering the blatant hate that trump throws around the place. I think you may have misjudged your messiah. |
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Donald Trump, by Lunch Special on Oct 26, 2024 21:35:02 GMT 1, Even i don't think trump would be stupid enough to buy a wcp so most of you all have no say here.
Even i don't think trump would be stupid enough to buy a wcp so most of you all have no say here.
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Donald Trump, by Masong on Oct 26, 2024 21:53:53 GMT 1, Even i don't think trump would be stupid enough to buy a wcp so most of ya'll have no say here.
Yโall.
Even i don't think trump would be stupid enough to buy a wcp so most of ya'll have no say here. Yโall. |
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Donald Trump, by Lunch Special on Oct 26, 2024 23:27:28 GMT 1, Even i don't think trump would be stupid enough to buy a wcp so most of ya'll have no say here. Yโall.
Even i don't think trump would be stupid enough to buy a wcp so most of ya'll have no say here. Yโall. Fixed |
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Donald Trump, by its all about me on Oct 27, 2024 12:41:46 GMT 1, ironic how grown men who despise trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless) to my fellow Americans remember to go out and vote. Let the polls do the talking Godspeed
He says the most appalling things about women, about foreigners, about Democrats, even about fellow Republicans who he doesn't like. His fanbase literally wanted to kill Mike Pence and Trump did nothing to calm them down or tell them not to.
And yet people still love him. I don't get it.
Perhaps people are so angry and xenophobic that they find it comforting to have someone in power who is similar to them. I don't know.
ironic how grown men who despise trump dedicated a 98 page thread to him (mostly Europeans nonetheless) to my fellow Americans remember to go out and vote. Let the polls do the talking Godspeed I honestly don't understand the appeal of Donald Trump, I really don't. Perhaps you could enlighten me. He says the most appalling things about women, about foreigners, about Democrats, even about fellow Republicans who he doesn't like. His fanbase literally wanted to kill Mike Pence and Trump did nothing to calm them down or tell them not to. And yet people still love him. I don't get it. Perhaps people are so angry and xenophobic that they find it comforting to have someone in power who is similar to them. I don't know. |
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Donald Trump, by Londown 01 on Oct 28, 2024 9:48:57 GMT 1, you are the one name calling a 78 year old man... What exactly did I say (that would qualify as "name calling")?
Very Trumpian in method: saying something that is completely untrue and then not being able or willing to back it up
you are the one name calling a 78 year old man... What exactly did I say (that would qualify as "name calling")? Very Trumpian in method: saying something that is completely untrue and then not being able or willing to back it up |
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Donald Trump, by Pete the Post on Oct 28, 2024 10:16:11 GMT 1, Its weird how things take different relevance in different places. Being as bonfire night is based on UK politics (bit obvious to most i know!). The Americans have no idea of our old addage,
Remember remember the 5th of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I fear this is one of those warnings from history that got missed.
Its weird how things take different relevance in different places. Being as bonfire night is based on UK politics (bit obvious to most i know!). The Americans have no idea of our old addage,
Remember remember the 5th of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I fear this is one of those warnings from history that got missed.
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Donald Trump, by demeisen on Oct 28, 2024 10:17:09 GMT 1, I think its a very useful betting market. I dont think it is 'manipulated' as some suggest, because if there was discrepancy with odds vs expectation - that discrepancy would be taken as free money/hedge by others. Interestingly, I checked UK odds from bookies and we are typically looking at 11/18 Trump vs Harris 13/8, indicating a Trump victory at circa 62% probability.
I think its a very useful betting market. I dont think it is 'manipulated' as some suggest, because if there was discrepancy with odds vs expectation - that discrepancy would be taken as free money/hedge by others. Interestingly, I checked UK odds from bookies and we are typically looking at 11/18 Trump vs Harris 13/8, indicating a Trump victory at circa 62% probability.
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Donald Trump, by Pete the Post on Oct 28, 2024 11:19:34 GMT 1, I think its a very useful betting market. I dont think it is 'manipulated' as some suggest, because if there was discrepancy with odds vs expectation - that discrepancy would be taken as free money/hedge by others. Interestingly, I checked UK odds from bookies and we are typically looking at 11/18 Trump vs Harris 13/8, indicating a Trump victory at circa 62% probability.
That said, 100/1 outsiders have been known to win horse races so there is still hope!
I think its a very useful betting market. I dont think it is 'manipulated' as some suggest, because if there was discrepancy with odds vs expectation - that discrepancy would be taken as free money/hedge by others. Interestingly, I checked UK odds from bookies and we are typically looking at 11/18 Trump vs Harris 13/8, indicating a Trump victory at circa 62% probability. Betting odds are a horrible way to look at politics. But at the same time, they have the real skin in the game and are sadly a dam good gauge. That said, 100/1 outsiders have been known to win horse races so there is still hope! |
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Donald Trump, by demeisen on Oct 28, 2024 11:55:43 GMT 1, Agreed, the financialisation of most things are a horrible and reductive way to look at things - art included - but unfortunately in a world of bias media, the market is a leading indicator of unbiased sentiment.
Agreed, the financialisation of most things are a horrible and reductive way to look at things - art included - but unfortunately in a world of bias media, the market is a leading indicator of unbiased sentiment.
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Donald Trump, by its all about me on Oct 28, 2024 13:30:07 GMT 1, I would like to know where they get their data from. They don't seem to say.
It seems rather odd as nearly all polls I have seen show Trump and Harris as on almost 50% each, or 49 to 51. And yet this site gives Trump a 30% lead. Why is it so markedly different to other sites?
I would like to know where they get their data from. They don't seem to say. It seems rather odd as nearly all polls I have seen show Trump and Harris as on almost 50% each, or 49 to 51. And yet this site gives Trump a 30% lead. Why is it so markedly different to other sites? |
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Donald Trump, by skybluemark on Oct 28, 2024 13:32:01 GMT 1, trump is most likely a shareholder. its the missinformation war, give a big lead so democrat supporters wont bother voting for a futile cause.
trump is most likely a shareholder. its the missinformation war, give a big lead so democrat supporters wont bother voting for a futile cause.
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Donald Trump, by its all about me on Oct 28, 2024 13:35:15 GMT 1, Agreed, the financialisation of most things are a horrible and reductive way to look at things - art included - but unfortunately in a world of bias media, the market is a leading indicator of unbiased sentiment.
Agreed, the financialisation of most things are a horrible and reductive way to look at things - art included - but unfortunately in a world of bias media, the market is a leading indicator of unbiased sentiment. Are these based on people's bets? If so that is certainly not a good predictor of the result. I would suggest that the vast majority of Americans do not bet on the outcome of the election and those that do are rabid fans. It stands to reason that Trump has more 'rabid' fans than Harris so such a site will obviously put Trump way ahead. That tells you nothing about people's voting intentions. |
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Donald Trump, by demeisen on Oct 28, 2024 15:36:33 GMT 1, Agreed, the financialisation of most things are a horrible and reductive way to look at things - art included - but unfortunately in a world of bias media, the market is a leading indicator of unbiased sentiment. Are these based on people's bets? If so that is certainly not a good predictor of the result. I would suggest that the vast majority of Americans do not bet on the outcome of the election and those that do are rabid fans. It stands to reason that Trump has more 'rabid' fans than Harris so such a site will obviously put Trump way ahead. That tells you nothing about people's voting intentions.
Agreed, the financialisation of most things are a horrible and reductive way to look at things - art included - but unfortunately in a world of bias media, the market is a leading indicator of unbiased sentiment. Are these based on people's bets? If so that is certainly not a good predictor of the result. I would suggest that the vast majority of Americans do not bet on the outcome of the election and those that do are rabid fans. It stands to reason that Trump has more 'rabid' fans than Harris so such a site will obviously put Trump way ahead. That tells you nothing about people's voting intentions. Indeed these are peoples bets, and whilst I agree it certainly has its limitations to use in modelling (overreaction to events, herd behaviour and small sample size), they have historically had strengths when used complimentary to polls (monetary incentives, wisdom of crowds and real time information). One other metric to keep an eye on is the US 10y treasury, imho this is a much more telling metric because big finance is the backbone of a modern day western nation - the 10y seems to be pricing Trump at greater than 50/50, in line with a ~60/40. Eitherway, im more interested in the UKs budget this week! |
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Donald Trump, by Acme Thunderer on Oct 28, 2024 16:03:28 GMT 1, Just a few large bets can distort the odds.
I posted this link before about how the value of Trust Social changed.
fortune.com/2024/10/25/trump-election-stock-worthless/
In politics, take nothing at face value and learn to read between the lines (especially when millions/billions of $ are at stake). ๐
Just a few large bets can distort the odds. I posted this link before about how the value of Trust Social changed. fortune.com/2024/10/25/trump-election-stock-worthless/In politics, take nothing at face value and learn to read between the lines (especially when millions/billions of $ are at stake). ๐ |
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Donald Trump, by ck1 on Oct 28, 2024 17:22:08 GMT 1, Are these based on people's bets? If so that is certainly not a good predictor of the result. I would suggest that the vast majority of Americans do not bet on the outcome of the election and those that do are rabid fans. It stands to reason that Trump has more 'rabid' fans than Harris so such a site will obviously put Trump way ahead. That tells you nothing about people's voting intentions. Indeed these are peoples bets, and whilst I agree it certainly has its limitations to use in modelling (overreaction to events, herd behaviour and small sample size), they have historically had strengths when used complimentary to polls (monetary incentives, wisdom of crowds and real time information). One other metric to keep an eye on is the US 10y treasury, imho this is a much more telling metric because big finance is the backbone of a modern day western nation - the 10y seems to be pricing Trump at greater than 50/50, in line with a ~60/40. Eitherway, im more interested in the UKs budget this week!
regardless, by all metrics trump is set to win this election.
it has nothing to do with the headlines that you probably see repeated ((the US is no more racist or fascist than it used to be).
it is mainly a rejection of the current administration and people being unhappy with the current state of the country.
Kamala dropped the ball.
we will be fine either way.
Are these based on people's bets? If so that is certainly not a good predictor of the result. I would suggest that the vast majority of Americans do not bet on the outcome of the election and those that do are rabid fans. It stands to reason that Trump has more 'rabid' fans than Harris so such a site will obviously put Trump way ahead. That tells you nothing about people's voting intentions. Indeed these are peoples bets, and whilst I agree it certainly has its limitations to use in modelling (overreaction to events, herd behaviour and small sample size), they have historically had strengths when used complimentary to polls (monetary incentives, wisdom of crowds and real time information). One other metric to keep an eye on is the US 10y treasury, imho this is a much more telling metric because big finance is the backbone of a modern day western nation - the 10y seems to be pricing Trump at greater than 50/50, in line with a ~60/40. Eitherway, im more interested in the UKs budget this week! The betting sites reflect non US bets. Biggest better turns out to be French with a 45m bet on trump. These are momentum based. regardless, by all metrics trump is set to win this election. it has nothing to do with the headlines that you probably see repeated ((the US is no more racist or fascist than it used to be). it is mainly a rejection of the current administration and people being unhappy with the current state of the country. Kamala dropped the ball. we will be fine either way. |
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Donald Trump, by argylepaul on Oct 28, 2024 19:13:16 GMT 1, Go the Donald! And when you get elected, rip into Lammy and Starmer!
Go the Donald! And when you get elected, rip into Lammy and Starmer!
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Donald Trump, by LJCal on Oct 28, 2024 20:35:12 GMT 1, People waste far too much energy worrying about this nonsense, itโs a pantomime played by terrible actors. Iโd say this stuff is only really relevant to about 1/1000 people, Iโd say 1/100,000 people have any real influence over the outcome. If most people focused the same energy on things they have some degree of agency over, I suspect theyโd be far more content
People waste far too much energy worrying about this nonsense, itโs a pantomime played by terrible actors. Iโd say this stuff is only really relevant to about 1/1000 people, Iโd say 1/100,000 people have any real influence over the outcome. If most people focused the same energy on things they have some degree of agency over, I suspect theyโd be far more content
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