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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 26, 2016 17:21:56 GMT 1, Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary? So, no matter if those descriptions are right or wrong, do their votes have less value than those who you describe as educated and enlightened?
That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance.
Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested .
But, you keep doing that.
Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary? So, no matter if those descriptions are right or wrong, do their votes have less value than those who you describe as educated and enlightened? That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance. Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested . But, you keep doing that. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 17:29:44 GMT 1, So, no matter if those descriptions are right or wrong, do their votes have less value than those who you describe as educated and enlightened? That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance. Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested . But, you keep doing that.
Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes?
So, no matter if those descriptions are right or wrong, do their votes have less value than those who you describe as educated and enlightened? That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance. Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested . But, you keep doing that. Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 17:31:42 GMT 1, This thread is full of similar comments from remain voters. Remain voters = Educated, Rich, Intelligent, Enlightened, Young, London. Leave voters = Uneducated, Poor, Racist, Stupid, Old, Country bumpkins. Do you think those descriptions are correct and justified? Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary?
Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc.
On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other.
This thread is full of similar comments from remain voters. Remain voters = Educated, Rich, Intelligent, Enlightened, Young, London. Leave voters = Uneducated, Poor, Racist, Stupid, Old, Country bumpkins. Do you think those descriptions are correct and justified? Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary? Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 17:36:19 GMT 1, Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary? Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other.  it's very very simplistic and it certainly doesn't reflect my view. Those are descriptions widely used on this thread and in the media.
Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary? Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other. I agree it's very very simplistic and it certainly doesn't reflect my view. Those are descriptions widely used on this thread and in the media. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 26, 2016 17:44:27 GMT 1, Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other. I agree it's very very simplistic and it certainly doesn't reflect my view. Those are descriptions widely used on this thread and in the media.
Hence the word 'generally'
Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other. I agree it's very very simplistic and it certainly doesn't reflect my view. Those are descriptions widely used on this thread and in the media. Hence the word 'generally' |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 26, 2016 17:45:22 GMT 1, Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary? Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other.
I'm not going to wrap anything in cotton wool and did say 'generally'. Of course there are exceptions.
Given what I've seen, generally, yes. Older people, those from poorer backgrounds, those without degrees, often those from rural counties tended to vote out when you check the stats. So indeed both correct and justified. General racists and xenophobes will generally not wanted anything to do with 'foreigners' and the EU. Do you have independent evidence to suggest the contrary? Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other. I'm not going to wrap anything in cotton wool and did say 'generally'. Of course there are exceptions. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 26, 2016 17:46:31 GMT 1, That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance. Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested . But, you keep doing that. Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes?
I'm not going to answer that point as I've not raised it or alluded to disagreeing with it.
That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance. Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested . But, you keep doing that. Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes? I'm not going to answer that point as I've not raised it or alluded to disagreeing with it. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Jun 26, 2016 17:47:59 GMT 1, That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance. Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested . But, you keep doing that. Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes?
Votes that counted that concern me are those of the uninformed or ill informed whichever side of the fence they sat. This was far too big a decision for people not to have taken the time to understand both sides of the argument. It depressed me when people were asked why they voted and they could not answer.
Obviously giving any form of prejudice be that racism or its equivalent a voice is not acceptable to me but completely unavoidable in a democracy.
It simply should not have been put to the public to vote IMO. It has the union that is the UK in complete turmoil never mind the clear split in areas within England. People from either side cannot ignore what is effectively a 50:50 split.
That wasn't the question: you asked if they were 'correct and justified'. I answered yes and provided my reasons based on widely available evidence and gave you the opportunity to provide contrary evidence. You didn't, no worries. I take it as acceptance. Now you're deflecting to another , unrelated question , about if people's votes have 'less value '? Why do you ask since I've never inferred this . I take it as conceding to the previous response provided , and therefore moving goal posts to a point I've never contested . But, you keep doing that. Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes?
Votes that counted that concern me are those of the uninformed or ill informed whichever side of the fence they sat. This was far too big a decision for people not to have taken the time to understand both sides of the argument. It depressed me when people were asked why they voted and they could not answer.
Obviously giving any form of prejudice be that racism or its equivalent a voice is not acceptable to me but completely unavoidable in a democracy.
It simply should not have been put to the public to vote IMO. It has the union that is the UK in complete turmoil never mind the clear split in areas within England. People from either side cannot ignore what is effectively a 50:50 split.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by .dappy on Jun 26, 2016 17:54:02 GMT 1, ... reel them in danny ... reel them in
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 18:01:26 GMT 1, ... reel them in danny ... reel them in
... reel them in danny ... reel them in Now I know never reel against the drag thanks! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by mojo on Jun 26, 2016 18:05:39 GMT 1, We live in a democracy therefore everybody's vote is justified no matter what their personal circumstances. The problem with the EU referendum was that we were ALL blatantly lied to. When a person is mugged on the street is it their own fault or is it the fault of the mugger? The vote to exit the EU became an anti establishment vote and I'm sure that many of the remain voters are still anti establishment they just perhaps understood that the EU are the best of a bad situation and that to make the changes necessary to make the world a fairer place we needed to stay in.
We live in a democracy therefore everybody's vote is justified no matter what their personal circumstances. The problem with the EU referendum was that we were ALL blatantly lied to. When a person is mugged on the street is it their own fault or is it the fault of the mugger? The vote to exit the EU became an anti establishment vote and I'm sure that many of the remain voters are still anti establishment they just perhaps understood that the EU are the best of a bad situation and that to make the changes necessary to make the world a fairer place we needed to stay in.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 18:10:54 GMT 1, This country is now fucked.
This country is now fucked.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 18:16:27 GMT 1, Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other. I'm not going to wrap anything in cotton wool and did say 'generally'. Of course there are exceptions.
Sorry chads, seem to apologising a lot lately, bad communication on my part fiddling around on iPad. I was referring to silkys original categories.
Sorry Silky, but I can't help but feel that this has been worded unfortunately. I would also like to highlight that irrespective of any stats, I strongly suspect that there are any number of exceptions. No disrespect indented, it just seems simplistic. You can be rich and racist, educated and surprisingly poor, intelligent but uneducated etc, there are any number of variations, with people, their families, upbringings, lifestyle etc. On the whole, I will concede that it's generally true though, but let's not get too caught up in stereotyping each other. I'm not going to wrap anything in cotton wool and did say 'generally'. Of course there are exceptions. Sorry chads, seem to apologising a lot lately, bad communication on my part fiddling around on iPad. I was referring to silkys original categories. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 18:20:31 GMT 1, This country is now fucked.
This country is now fucked. No, it's not |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Cornish Crayon on Jun 26, 2016 18:25:01 GMT 1, Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes?
Votes that counted that concern me are those of the uninformed or ill informed whichever side of the fence they sat. This was far too big a decision for people not to have taken the time to understand both sides of the argument. It depressed me when people were asked why they voted and they could not answer.
Obviously giving any form of prejudice be that racism or its equivalent a voice is not acceptable to me but completely unavoidable in a democracy.
It simply should not have been put to the public to vote IMO. It has the union that is the UK in complete turmoil never mind the clear split in areas within England. People from either side cannot ignore what is effectively a 50:50 split.
Spot on, I know why I voted based on knowledge I was prepared to sit and read........... As boring as some of it is......
The individuals who voted the same as myself have now made my true vote null n void due to it not being a true reflection of this country and its needs based on the future......... Not the past !!!!?
Yeah, sorry I wasn't going to argue with you on those descriptions, my point was right or wrong do some votes hold more power than others or should people's views be respected even if they are Poor, Uneducated or Wrong in your eyes?
Votes that counted that concern me are those of the uninformed or ill informed whichever side of the fence they sat. This was far too big a decision for people not to have taken the time to understand both sides of the argument. It depressed me when people were asked why they voted and they could not answer.
Obviously giving any form of prejudice be that racism or its equivalent a voice is not acceptable to me but completely unavoidable in a democracy.
It simply should not have been put to the public to vote IMO. It has the union that is the UK in complete turmoil never mind the clear split in areas within England. People from either side cannot ignore what is effectively a 50:50 split.
Spot on, I know why I voted based on knowledge I was prepared to sit and read........... As boring as some of it is...... The individuals who voted the same as myself have now made my true vote null n void due to it not being a true reflection of this country and its needs based on the future......... Not the past !!!!? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Cornish Crayon on Jun 26, 2016 18:27:29 GMT 1, What do you think is going to happen? Try posting your opinion
What do you think Daniel, or are you just going to post yet another question ?
With a question mark after it or not ?
Can you answer that ?
Yes or no ?
Are you bored Daniel ?
What do you think is going to happen? Try posting your opinion What do you think Daniel, or are you just going to post yet another question ? With a question mark after it or not ? Can you answer that ? Yes or no ? Are you bored Daniel ? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 18:27:45 GMT 1, We live in a democracy therefore everybody's vote is justified no matter what their personal circumstances. The problem with the EU referendum was that we were ALL blatantly lied to. When a person is mugged on the street is it their own fault or is it the fault of the mugger? The vote to exit the EU became an anti establishment vote and I'm sure that many of the remain voters are still anti establishment they just perhaps understood that the EU are the best of a bad situation and that to make the changes necessary to make the world a fairer place we needed to stay in.
I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote.
I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future.
We live in a democracy therefore everybody's vote is justified no matter what their personal circumstances. The problem with the EU referendum was that we were ALL blatantly lied to. When a person is mugged on the street is it their own fault or is it the fault of the mugger? The vote to exit the EU became an anti establishment vote and I'm sure that many of the remain voters are still anti establishment they just perhaps understood that the EU are the best of a bad situation and that to make the changes necessary to make the world a fairer place we needed to stay in. I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote. I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 26, 2016 18:32:49 GMT 1, We live in a democracy therefore everybody's vote is justified no matter what their personal circumstances. The problem with the EU referendum was that we were ALL blatantly lied to. When a person is mugged on the street is it their own fault or is it the fault of the mugger? The vote to exit the EU became an anti establishment vote and I'm sure that many of the remain voters are still anti establishment they just perhaps understood that the EU are the best of a bad situation and that to make the changes necessary to make the world a fairer place we needed to stay in. I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote. I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future.
What do you think should happen next? And why?
What do you think will happen next? And why?
We live in a democracy therefore everybody's vote is justified no matter what their personal circumstances. The problem with the EU referendum was that we were ALL blatantly lied to. When a person is mugged on the street is it their own fault or is it the fault of the mugger? The vote to exit the EU became an anti establishment vote and I'm sure that many of the remain voters are still anti establishment they just perhaps understood that the EU are the best of a bad situation and that to make the changes necessary to make the world a fairer place we needed to stay in. I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote. I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future. What do you think should happen next? And why? What do you think will happen next? And why? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 18:46:09 GMT 1, I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote. I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future. What do you think should happen next? And why? What do you think will happen next? And why?
If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation.
I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote. I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future. What do you think should happen next? And why? What do you think will happen next? And why? Lots of options, but the most likely I think is we will have a new PM by the end of the week and a team will be selected to go to the EU to start the negotiations. I think they will find a middle solution to keep the UK public happy yet still staying in the EU at least symbolically as an attempt to stabilise both the UK and EU economies, while giving the UK more opt out clauses. If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by mojo on Jun 26, 2016 18:48:17 GMT 1, Anyway whatever you voted watch the fuckers cause they're about to stitch the lot of us up!
Anyone seen Cameron & Osbourne anywhere?
What a catalyst they turned out to be:
Loaded their guns, then they ran off home for their tea -
Left us standing like guilty schoolboys...
Anyway whatever you voted watch the fuckers cause they're about to stitch the lot of us up!
Anyone seen Cameron & Osbourne anywhere?
What a catalyst they turned out to be:
Loaded their guns, then they ran off home for their tea -
Left us standing like guilty schoolboys...
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by The Origin on Jun 26, 2016 18:51:29 GMT 1, I don't think UK will Brexit. I think Juncker will be sacked or leave the EU in disgrace. Yeah, I think they will find some sort of middle ground. I think the UK will get a seat at the table, and be offered pretty much any opt out we want in exchange for not officially leaving  We will get free trade, control of our own boarders and immigration rules, and no money put in or taken out of the EU budget.
What an absolute mess.
I am yet to read any positive press on the outcome of this referendum.
This will go down as one of our biggest mistakes ever in putting this decision in the hands of the public.
Some of the protests being organised in London are going to be absolutely huge.
Interesting times ahead and NOT in a good way.
I don't think UK will Brexit. I think Juncker will be sacked or leave the EU in disgrace. Yeah, I think they will find some sort of middle ground. I think the UK will get a seat at the table, and be offered pretty much any opt out we want in exchange for not officially leaving We will get free trade, control of our own boarders and immigration rules, and no money put in or taken out of the EU budget. Haha I assume this was a sarcastic post? What an absolute mess. I am yet to read any positive press on the outcome of this referendum. This will go down as one of our biggest mistakes ever in putting this decision in the hands of the public. Some of the protests being organised in London are going to be absolutely huge. Interesting times ahead and NOT in a good way. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Stoko on Jun 26, 2016 19:03:47 GMT 1, The EU is in real danger of disintegrating if we leave. The only chance they have of stopping France and Italy etc leaving is to absolutely batter the Uk in any way possible; to crush us, to humiliate us and make the point that countries can't flourish outside the EU.
If you think the EU will trade with us in a favourable way you're kidding yourself.
We are about to get bummed senseless.
In other good news; Sunday is almost over and we're all back at work in a few hours.
The EU is in real danger of disintegrating if we leave. The only chance they have of stopping France and Italy etc leaving is to absolutely batter the Uk in any way possible; to crush us, to humiliate us and make the point that countries can't flourish outside the EU.
If you think the EU will trade with us in a favourable way you're kidding yourself.
We are about to get bummed senseless.
In other good news; Sunday is almost over and we're all back at work in a few hours.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 19:12:52 GMT 1, The EU is in real danger of disintegrating if we leave. The only chance they have of stopping France and Italy etc leaving is to absolutely batter the Uk in any way possible; to crush us, to humiliate us and make the point that countries can't flourish outside the EU. If you think the EU will trade with us in a favourable way you're kidding yourself. We are about to get bummed senseless. In other good news; Sunday is almost over and we're all back at work in a few hours.
The EU is in real danger of disintegrating if we leave. The only chance they have of stopping France and Italy etc leaving is to absolutely batter the Uk in any way possible; to crush us, to humiliate us and make the point that countries can't flourish outside the EU. If you think the EU will trade with us in a favourable way you're kidding yourself. We are about to get bummed senseless. In other good news; Sunday is almost over and we're all back at work in a few hours. Merkel has made it pretty clear she will make sure free trade will continue and I'm confident she will talk sense to the other leaders who are in her pocket anyway. If they decide to make a meal of it then it will only push other countries to leave, so I think they will go for a fast and easy negotiations and try to hush any problem up to protect the markets. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Reader on Jun 26, 2016 19:38:12 GMT 1, What do you think should happen next? And why? What do you think will happen next? And why? Lots of options, but the most likely I think is we will have a new PM by the end of the week and a team will be selected to go to the EU to start the negotiations. I think they will find a middle solution to keep the UK public happy yet still staying in the EU at least symbolically as an attempt to stabilise both the UK and EU economies, while giving the UK more opt out clauses. If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation.
What do you think should happen next? And why? What do you think will happen next? And why? Lots of options, but the most likely I think is we will have a new PM by the end of the week and a team will be selected to go to the EU to start the negotiations. I think they will find a middle solution to keep the UK public happy yet still staying in the EU at least symbolically as an attempt to stabilise both the UK and EU economies, while giving the UK more opt out clauses. If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation. You think this is why the EU leaders are demanding a swift exit ? They're tired of the UK already. If anything, this has made the concept, if not the reality, of the EU much stronger. It is simply disasterous for the UK. Be interesting to see which leader has the balls to invoke article 50. Political suicide for anyone who touches it. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by onetwothree on Jun 26, 2016 19:43:39 GMT 1, Lots of options, but the most likely I think is we will have a new PM by the end of the week and a team will be selected to go to the EU to start the negotiations. I think they will find a middle solution to keep the UK public happy yet still staying in the EU at least symbolically as an attempt to stabilise both the UK and EU economies, while giving the UK more opt out clauses. If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation. You think this is why the EU leaders are demanding a swift exit ? They're tired of the UK already. If anything, this has made the concept, if not the reality, of the EU much stronger. It is simply disasterous for the UK. Be interesting to see which leader has the balls to invoke article 50. Political suicide for anyone who touches it.
I bet there's some money to be made on bets it won't ever be invoked. Anyone know the odds?
Lots of options, but the most likely I think is we will have a new PM by the end of the week and a team will be selected to go to the EU to start the negotiations. I think they will find a middle solution to keep the UK public happy yet still staying in the EU at least symbolically as an attempt to stabilise both the UK and EU economies, while giving the UK more opt out clauses. If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation. You think this is why the EU leaders are demanding a swift exit ? They're tired of the UK already. If anything, this has made the concept, if not the reality, of the EU much stronger. It is simply disasterous for the UK. Be interesting to see which leader has the balls to invoke article 50. Political suicide for anyone who touches it. I bet there's some money to be made on bets it won't ever be invoked. Anyone know the odds? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 26, 2016 19:44:23 GMT 1, I don't see old Boris becoming pm and hitting the 50 button, Cameron has seen to that. IDS has ruled himself out. Up to gove I guess. Bye bye gove.
I don't see old Boris becoming pm and hitting the 50 button, Cameron has seen to that. IDS has ruled himself out. Up to gove I guess. Bye bye gove.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 19:49:53 GMT 1, Lots of options, but the most likely I think is we will have a new PM by the end of the week and a team will be selected to go to the EU to start the negotiations. I think they will find a middle solution to keep the UK public happy yet still staying in the EU at least symbolically as an attempt to stabilise both the UK and EU economies, while giving the UK more opt out clauses. If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation. You think this is why the EU leaders are demanding a swift exit ? They're tired of the UK already. If anything, this has made the concept, if not the reality, of the EU much stronger. It is simply disasterous for the UK. Be interesting to see which leader has the balls to invoke article 50. Political suicide for anyone who touches it.
Lots of options, but the most likely I think is we will have a new PM by the end of the week and a team will be selected to go to the EU to start the negotiations. I think they will find a middle solution to keep the UK public happy yet still staying in the EU at least symbolically as an attempt to stabilise both the UK and EU economies, while giving the UK more opt out clauses. If the negotiations go badly I think you will see France and two or three more countries have Referendum with them possibly leaving or at least causing enough damage to the EU that it's abandoned completely or is totally changed and simplified back into just a free trade organisation. You think this is why the EU leaders are demanding a swift exit ? They're tired of the UK already. If anything, this has made the concept, if not the reality, of the EU much stronger. It is simply disasterous for the UK. Be interesting to see which leader has the balls to invoke article 50. Political suicide for anyone who touches it. You really think the EU will be stronger without the UK? Well, it's gonna be interesting to look back on this in maybe 5 or 10 years time to see if you were right. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by 10th Mountain on Jun 26, 2016 19:58:01 GMT 1, I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote. I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future.
To me this was a whole generation of people who felt that they had no voice. Politicians had focused on pleasing the media and social elite and ensuring that focus was put on what made them look good. Ignoring vast swathes of people, who wanted to be listened to, on subjects that had drastically changed their lives and values. As the vote was incredibly simple, it was a way to protest at the way they had been marganised. reading some of the comments on here and elsewhere, that if someone disagrees with your opinion, they are "an idiot". It is comments like this that have put us exactly where we are. Just becuse someone has the opposite view to you, does not mean that you can brand them with whatever label you feel gives you the superiority you desire. I have also read statements against democracy. Whatever next. This should never have been put to the vote, but it was, and the result is in.
There must be a dictatorship somewhere which would welcome anti-democracy protesters with open arms
I think the trouble is that both Conservative and Labour underestimated the number of what's often described as "Poor & Uneducated" who feel unrepresented by their MP's and Government, so talk of being in the EU to make the World a fairer place would only ever push for a higher Leave vote. I feel many of the traditional Labour supporters voted Leave as they felt they had nothing to lose! They felt they were forgotten and the damage to the economy by leaving the EU would hit the "rich & educated" more than themselves as they were getting so little anyway. Both options were not good, but also Labour and Conservatives didn't give any hope for the future. Well put, To me this was a whole generation of people who felt that they had no voice. Politicians had focused on pleasing the media and social elite and ensuring that focus was put on what made them look good. Ignoring vast swathes of people, who wanted to be listened to, on subjects that had drastically changed their lives and values. As the vote was incredibly simple, it was a way to protest at the way they had been marganised. reading some of the comments on here and elsewhere, that if someone disagrees with your opinion, they are "an idiot". It is comments like this that have put us exactly where we are. Just becuse someone has the opposite view to you, does not mean that you can brand them with whatever label you feel gives you the superiority you desire. I have also read statements against democracy. Whatever next. This should never have been put to the vote, but it was, and the result is in. There must be a dictatorship somewhere which would welcome anti-democracy protesters with open arms |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 26, 2016 20:00:19 GMT 1,
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Lroy on Jun 26, 2016 20:09:44 GMT 1, This country is now fucked. No, it's not
Funny, some were talking few weeks ago about this English particularism.
They were right and they are wrong :
Now it is not as in a James Bond movie with Aston Martin, champagne and bikinis, now times are hard.
We have to be together all together.
You are right Bren, it won't be as dramatic as that.
Europe - Merkel, the real boss, told it -, won't be so wrong with UK, it will have some new accords with UK.
In France, only bad tongues want a revenge, when some others as national Front Dany to follow thé wavec( sic )..
Anyway, a thing is questioning myself : and if it was Greece, Bulgaria or Italia asking to sort out , are all the Europe nations and media would criticize them or ... Applause ??
Just asking..,!
This country is now fucked. No, it's not Funny, some were talking few weeks ago about this English particularism. They were right and they are wrong : Now it is not as in a James Bond movie with Aston Martin, champagne and bikinis, now times are hard. We have to be together all together. You are right Bren, it won't be as dramatic as that. Europe - Merkel, the real boss, told it -, won't be so wrong with UK, it will have some new accords with UK. In France, only bad tongues want a revenge, when some others as national Front Dany to follow thé wavec( sic ).. Anyway, a thing is questioning myself : and if it was Greece, Bulgaria or Italia asking to sort out , are all the Europe nations and media would criticize them or ... Applause ?? Just asking..,! |
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it's very very simplistic and it certainly doesn't reflect my view. Those are descriptions widely used on this thread and in the media.
We will get free trade, control of our own boarders and immigration rules, and no money put in or taken out of the EU budget.
