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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Mar 24, 2016 13:17:00 GMT 1, Referendum of the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union.
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union?
This will probably been the most important vote in our lifetime for those living in the UK, so its interesting to hear people views on this thread. Also to hear what people living in other parts of the World think is the best direction for the UK to go.
Of course please place your VOTE.
Interesting to get an idea of what the Street Art scene thinks on this vote and how it might differ from the general public? what do you think?
Thank you 
Referendum of the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union. Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or Leave the European Union? This will probably been the most important vote in our lifetime for those living in the UK, so its interesting to hear people views on this thread. Also to hear what people living in other parts of the World think is the best direction for the UK to go. Of course please place your VOTE. Interesting to get an idea of what the Street Art scene thinks on this vote and how it might differ from the general public? what do you think? Thank you |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Tiki on Mar 24, 2016 13:29:02 GMT 1, 100% for staying in the EU as a Brit living in Sweden.
The implications for the millions of expats will be huge and the impact on business big and small trading into the single market will cost us far more than our ego.
100% for staying in the EU as a Brit living in Sweden.
The implications for the millions of expats will be huge and the impact on business big and small trading into the single market will cost us far more than our ego.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Mar 24, 2016 13:48:48 GMT 1, I will be voting to leave.
You will hear loads of talk about how much we rely on trade with Europe, but I dont believe this will change that anyway. But look around your house right now and think about how much of your stuff was made elsewhere in Europe? I cant think of anything  most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and Europe only buy their own stuff.
Our trade with places like China, India, Japan, are much more important for the UK in the future.
I will be voting to leave. You will hear loads of talk about how much we rely on trade with Europe, but I dont believe this will change that anyway. But look around your house right now and think about how much of your stuff was made elsewhere in Europe? I cant think of anything most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and Europe only buy their own stuff. Our trade with places like China, India, Japan, are much more important for the UK in the future. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Mar 24, 2016 13:56:26 GMT 1, I will be voting to leave. You will hear loads of talk about how much we rely on trade with Europe, but I dont believe this will change that anyway. But look around your house right now and think about how much of your stuff was made elsewhere in Europe? I cant think of anything most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and Europe only buy their own stuff. Our trade with places like China, India, Japan, are much more important for the UK in the future.
Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe.
According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner.
I will be voting to leave. You will hear loads of talk about how much we rely on trade with Europe, but I dont believe this will change that anyway. But look around your house right now and think about how much of your stuff was made elsewhere in Europe? I cant think of anything most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and Europe only buy their own stuff. Our trade with places like China, India, Japan, are much more important for the UK in the future. Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe. According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Mar 24, 2016 14:12:48 GMT 1, I will be voting to leave. You will hear loads of talk about how much we rely on trade with Europe, but I dont believe this will change that anyway. But look around your house right now and think about how much of your stuff was made elsewhere in Europe? I cant think of anything most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and Europe only buy their own stuff. Our trade with places like China, India, Japan, are much more important for the UK in the future. Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe. According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner.
And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce?
I will be voting to leave. You will hear loads of talk about how much we rely on trade with Europe, but I dont believe this will change that anyway. But look around your house right now and think about how much of your stuff was made elsewhere in Europe? I cant think of anything most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and Europe only buy their own stuff. Our trade with places like China, India, Japan, are much more important for the UK in the future. Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe. According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner. And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by pingoo on Mar 24, 2016 14:29:06 GMT 1, Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe. According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner. And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce?
Anyone thinking they can be powerful alone are fools.
Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe. According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner. And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce? Because you can't have advantages of the Shengen space without being in it. There will be a dissociation in the EU import/export taxes and yours, but yours will not be as competitive as now. Naturally, EU will have to find another trade partner. Anyone thinking they can be powerful alone are fools. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Mar 24, 2016 14:33:58 GMT 1, And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce? Because you can't have to advantages of the Shengen space without being in it. There will be a dissociation in the EU import/export taxes and yours, but yours will not be as competitive as now. Naturally, EU will have to find another trade partner.
So is it the EU as a whole deciding if they buy products from us?
I would have thought it was individual people and companies who deal direct with companies in the UK and place orders.
And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce? Because you can't have to advantages of the Shengen space without being in it. There will be a dissociation in the EU import/export taxes and yours, but yours will not be as competitive as now. Naturally, EU will have to find another trade partner. So is it the EU as a whole deciding if they buy products from us? I would have thought it was individual people and companies who deal direct with companies in the UK and place orders. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by uncle on Mar 24, 2016 14:35:16 GMT 1, I'm still deciding but, currently, I think I will be voting to be Out - though I was previously going to vote to stay In.
I don't buy that, as soon as we leave, the rest of Europe will suddenly stop trading with us.
Yes we will need to negotiate new trade agreements etc, but that could work in our favour as much as it could go against, and I suspect will be more or less neutral once its all settled down after a few years.
Who knows, maybe we might start manufacturing more of our own goods and importing less!
My main issue is I'm fed up with the scare-mongering and heavy handedness of the IN campaign to get us to stay in, just in case the sky falls down.
In my view, fear of the unknown and some potential (short-term) disruption, which there inevitably will be, should not be a reason for inaction.
I am still open to be swayed, if only both campaigns would stop all the spin and just be honest about both eventualities based on facts. I will be doing a lot of research and watching QT before I finally make up my mind!
I'm still deciding but, currently, I think I will be voting to be Out - though I was previously going to vote to stay In.
I don't buy that, as soon as we leave, the rest of Europe will suddenly stop trading with us.
Yes we will need to negotiate new trade agreements etc, but that could work in our favour as much as it could go against, and I suspect will be more or less neutral once its all settled down after a few years.
Who knows, maybe we might start manufacturing more of our own goods and importing less!
My main issue is I'm fed up with the scare-mongering and heavy handedness of the IN campaign to get us to stay in, just in case the sky falls down.
In my view, fear of the unknown and some potential (short-term) disruption, which there inevitably will be, should not be a reason for inaction.
I am still open to be swayed, if only both campaigns would stop all the spin and just be honest about both eventualities based on facts. I will be doing a lot of research and watching QT before I finally make up my mind!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Mar 24, 2016 14:37:32 GMT 1, Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe. According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner. And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce?
That's a different point. I was responding to your suggestion that trade with Europe is not so important.
But I will have a go at answering this point as best I can.
Unfortunately it is not as simple as European countries still wanting to buy our stuff.
The exit will be a protracted process. In the meantime there will be uncertainty which will damage our economy.
Out if Europe we will be a less attractive gateway to Europe. This rill result in less international investment from within the EU and outside it.
Our companies place in supply chains will be effected by regulatory divergence.
It will become harder to provide some services within EU markets.
An exit may trigger a credit downgrade for the UK
If we leave, it would lead to tariff barriers on trade.
All in all, a pretty serious outcome.
The Centre for Economic Performance has said that an optimistic scenario is a fall of 1.1% gdp. It's pessimistic scenario is a fall by 3.1% of gdp.
That will lead to significant job losses.
Looking at stuff in my house won't give me an accurate indication of the level of trade we do with Europe. According to the Office for National Statistics in 2014 44.6% of our exports were to the EU. That made it our largest trade partner. And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce? That's a different point. I was responding to your suggestion that trade with Europe is not so important. But I will have a go at answering this point as best I can. Unfortunately it is not as simple as European countries still wanting to buy our stuff. The exit will be a protracted process. In the meantime there will be uncertainty which will damage our economy. Out if Europe we will be a less attractive gateway to Europe. This rill result in less international investment from within the EU and outside it. Our companies place in supply chains will be effected by regulatory divergence. It will become harder to provide some services within EU markets. An exit may trigger a credit downgrade for the UK If we leave, it would lead to tariff barriers on trade. All in all, a pretty serious outcome. The Centre for Economic Performance has said that an optimistic scenario is a fall of 1.1% gdp. It's pessimistic scenario is a fall by 3.1% of gdp. That will lead to significant job losses. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Matt on Mar 24, 2016 14:42:46 GMT 1, And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce? Because you can't have to advantages of the Shengen space without being in it. There will be a dissociation in the EU import/export taxes and yours, but yours will not be as competitive as now. Naturally, EU will have to find another trade partner. Anyone thinking they can be powerful alone are fools.
This is exactly the point. why would you want to have customs process and tax close to half of what you buy ?? Having lived in Switzerland I can tell you this has very costly implications that you will feel very quickly.
The UK already has the best EU deal.
-It's own currency to be immune of the pitfalls of an ill conceived Eurozone
- free circulation of goods which is economically efficient and effective
- control over it's immigration policies
Cameron needed the Eurosceptics to beat Ed, and now he need to go through pointless and risky debate. The drawbacks of exiting are very obvious, and so far I see no compelling wins that would warrant it...
And why would leaving the European Union effect them buying our produce? Because you can't have to advantages of the Shengen space without being in it. There will be a dissociation in the EU import/export taxes and yours, but yours will not be as competitive as now. Naturally, EU will have to find another trade partner. Anyone thinking they can be powerful alone are fools. This is exactly the point. why would you want to have customs process and tax close to half of what you buy ?? Having lived in Switzerland I can tell you this has very costly implications that you will feel very quickly. The UK already has the best EU deal. -It's own currency to be immune of the pitfalls of an ill conceived Eurozone - free circulation of goods which is economically efficient and effective - control over it's immigration policies Cameron needed the Eurosceptics to beat Ed, and now he need to go through pointless and risky debate. The drawbacks of exiting are very obvious, and so far I see no compelling wins that would warrant it... |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Mar 24, 2016 14:44:34 GMT 1, Because you can't have to advantages of the Shengen space without being in it. There will be a dissociation in the EU import/export taxes and yours, but yours will not be as competitive as now. Naturally, EU will have to find another trade partner. So is it the EU as a whole deciding if they buy products from us? I would have thought it was individual people and companies who deal direct with companies in the UK and place orders.
I don't know much either, and think that companies buy/sell and make deals with the advantages of EU tax system. In the potential situation of a brexit, and the UK concentrating on China/Japan/India, where the futur is as you said, why would european companies maintain the same trade with the UK, buying at a higher price, while UK would be dealing/buying with China/Japan/India?
My other concern, and i guess plenty more people than me, as a french person living in the UK, what would that mean for us, and all the other european nationalities leaving here?
Because you can't have to advantages of the Shengen space without being in it. There will be a dissociation in the EU import/export taxes and yours, but yours will not be as competitive as now. Naturally, EU will have to find another trade partner. So is it the EU as a whole deciding if they buy products from us? I would have thought it was individual people and companies who deal direct with companies in the UK and place orders. I don't know much either, and think that companies buy/sell and make deals with the advantages of EU tax system. In the potential situation of a brexit, and the UK concentrating on China/Japan/India, where the futur is as you said, why would european companies maintain the same trade with the UK, buying at a higher price, while UK would be dealing/buying with China/Japan/India? My other concern, and i guess plenty more people than me, as a french person living in the UK, what would that mean for us, and all the other european nationalities leaving here? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Matt on Mar 24, 2016 14:48:42 GMT 1, I must say I am dumbfounded by the number of people who believe this is about whether or not trade with the EU will remain or disappear.
That is absolutely not the problem. The issue is that for a very significant part of our trade we will need to negotiate bilateral agreements, which are complex and will drive up cost of business (especially since the UK produces close to nothing so will have a very hard time enforcing advantageous conditions)
This will also considerably increase the number of customs officers processing every parcel, including the huge bureaucracy and paper pushing that goes with it.
We are going to love waiting for all those VAT invoices and processing costs !!!
Trade will continue of course just more costly for us...
I must say I am dumbfounded by the number of people who believe this is about whether or not trade with the EU will remain or disappear.
That is absolutely not the problem. The issue is that for a very significant part of our trade we will need to negotiate bilateral agreements, which are complex and will drive up cost of business (especially since the UK produces close to nothing so will have a very hard time enforcing advantageous conditions)
This will also considerably increase the number of customs officers processing every parcel, including the huge bureaucracy and paper pushing that goes with it.
We are going to love waiting for all those VAT invoices and processing costs !!!
Trade will continue of course just more costly for us...
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Mar 24, 2016 14:48:47 GMT 1, Sorry, living here!!! Excuse my french!
Sorry, living here!!! Excuse my french!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by batterseaboys on Mar 24, 2016 14:53:58 GMT 1, Britain is probably the cleverest nation on this planet , We cannot walk away from Europe, We have to use our skill in negotiation,diplomacy,common sense, empathy, compassion,diversity,humour etc.... to make sure Europe remains intact, To turn our backs I believe would thrust us and therefore the World back 100 years
Britain is probably the cleverest nation on this planet , We cannot walk away from Europe, We have to use our skill in negotiation,diplomacy,common sense, empathy, compassion,diversity,humour etc.... to make sure Europe remains intact, To turn our backs I believe would thrust us and therefore the World back 100 years
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 15:04:52 GMT 1, I don't care stay or leave but one things certain. The EU is run by liars and fraudsters who are non elected by the people and non democratic. Soros Bilderberg puppets and worse.
I don't care stay or leave but one things certain. The EU is run by liars and fraudsters who are non elected by the people and non democratic. Soros Bilderberg puppets and worse.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Mar 24, 2016 15:20:41 GMT 1, I must say I am dumbfounded by the number of people who believe this is about whether or not trade with the EU will remain or disappear. That is absolutely not the problem. The issue is that for a very significant part of our trade we will need to negotiate bilateral agreements, which are complex and will drive up cost of business (especially since the UK produces close to nothing so will have a very hard time enforcing advantageous conditions) This will also considerably increase the number of customs officers processing every parcel, including the huge bureaucracy and paper pushing that goes with it. We are going to love waiting for all those VAT invoices and processing costs !!! Trade will continue of course just more costly for us...
I have concentrated my comments on the effects in the economy (not just trade). That's the way the conversation happened to go.
An exit will impact on many other things too, I agree.
Not least, immigration, emigration, our influence over international issues, our influence in Europe, workers rights in this country, human rights etc.
I must say I am dumbfounded by the number of people who believe this is about whether or not trade with the EU will remain or disappear. That is absolutely not the problem. The issue is that for a very significant part of our trade we will need to negotiate bilateral agreements, which are complex and will drive up cost of business (especially since the UK produces close to nothing so will have a very hard time enforcing advantageous conditions) This will also considerably increase the number of customs officers processing every parcel, including the huge bureaucracy and paper pushing that goes with it. We are going to love waiting for all those VAT invoices and processing costs !!! Trade will continue of course just more costly for us... I have concentrated my comments on the effects in the economy (not just trade). That's the way the conversation happened to go. An exit will impact on many other things too, I agree. Not least, immigration, emigration, our influence over international issues, our influence in Europe, workers rights in this country, human rights etc. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by rufas on Mar 24, 2016 15:29:06 GMT 1, I feel like I've been following this debate for ages in the media, which has been lively and pretty interesting for the most part on both sides (as opposed to the election which was largely a pretty dull affair with Millibland et al.) But the more I seem to hear, the less I really seem to understand. Granted I don't have that much grounding in economics and EU legislation, but I don't think that many people I talk to do either, but most seem to know which way they will choose to vote come the summer.
A lot of people I meet seem to have strong views (particularly those voting for an exit), but are unable to clearly tell me why they are voting the way they are. There is a lot of misinformation and scaremongering from either side, but the truth is, no one really knows how Britain will be affected, it is unprecedented situation. It seems obvious that there is a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy within the EU presently, but the key figures leading the charge for Brexit do not exactly inspire confidence that the UK will prosper from being independent of the EU, rather that inequality will increase and the rich will get richer: Boris, Gove, Murdoch, etc. I would be concerned about losing some of the environmental and labour rights legislation from the EU, and whilst I'm pretty sure I would vote to stay in, I'm still slightly on the fence. I tend to side with the academics, economist, scientists view rather than any media mogul or would-be Tory party leadership candidates though.
Seems most of the Brexit chiefs are plotting a power grab from Cameron, Osbourne and co. if the vote swings towards exit. I'm sure Scotland would immediately hold a refferendum if we left the EU. And whilst I would love to see the back of Cameron and Osbourne, I'm not sure I fancy seeing Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in any sort of power to be honest.
I feel like I've been following this debate for ages in the media, which has been lively and pretty interesting for the most part on both sides (as opposed to the election which was largely a pretty dull affair with Millibland et al.) But the more I seem to hear, the less I really seem to understand. Granted I don't have that much grounding in economics and EU legislation, but I don't think that many people I talk to do either, but most seem to know which way they will choose to vote come the summer.
A lot of people I meet seem to have strong views (particularly those voting for an exit), but are unable to clearly tell me why they are voting the way they are. There is a lot of misinformation and scaremongering from either side, but the truth is, no one really knows how Britain will be affected, it is unprecedented situation. It seems obvious that there is a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy within the EU presently, but the key figures leading the charge for Brexit do not exactly inspire confidence that the UK will prosper from being independent of the EU, rather that inequality will increase and the rich will get richer: Boris, Gove, Murdoch, etc. I would be concerned about losing some of the environmental and labour rights legislation from the EU, and whilst I'm pretty sure I would vote to stay in, I'm still slightly on the fence. I tend to side with the academics, economist, scientists view rather than any media mogul or would-be Tory party leadership candidates though.
Seems most of the Brexit chiefs are plotting a power grab from Cameron, Osbourne and co. if the vote swings towards exit. I'm sure Scotland would immediately hold a refferendum if we left the EU. And whilst I would love to see the back of Cameron and Osbourne, I'm not sure I fancy seeing Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in any sort of power to be honest.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Poster Bob on Mar 24, 2016 15:39:35 GMT 1, 100% for staying in the EU as a Brit living in Sweden. The implications for the millions of expats will be huge and the impact on business big and small trading into the single market will cost us far more than our ego.
100% for staying in the EU as a Brit living in Sweden. The implications for the millions of expats will be huge and the impact on business big and small trading into the single market will cost us far more than our ego. What implications for the millions of expatrites? Should the UK vote to leave it is virtually a foregone conclusion that they will have to agree to the free movement of people in order to maintain access to the European market. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Poster Bob on Mar 24, 2016 15:42:30 GMT 1, I must say I am dumbfounded by the number of people who believe this is about whether or not trade with the EU will remain or disappear. That is absolutely not the problem. The issue is that for a very significant part of our trade we will need to negotiate bilateral agreements, which are complex and will drive up cost of business (especially since the UK produces close to nothing so will have a very hard time enforcing advantageous conditions) This will also considerably increase the number of customs officers processing every parcel, including the huge bureaucracy and paper pushing that goes with it. We are going to love waiting for all those VAT invoices and processing costs !!! Trade will continue of course just more costly for us...
I must say I am dumbfounded by the number of people who believe this is about whether or not trade with the EU will remain or disappear. That is absolutely not the problem. The issue is that for a very significant part of our trade we will need to negotiate bilateral agreements, which are complex and will drive up cost of business (especially since the UK produces close to nothing so will have a very hard time enforcing advantageous conditions) This will also considerably increase the number of customs officers processing every parcel, including the huge bureaucracy and paper pushing that goes with it. We are going to love waiting for all those VAT invoices and processing costs !!! Trade will continue of course just more costly for us... If the UK votes to leave "negotiations" are actually unilateral. That's right. The NO campaign doesn't like to publicize that though. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by ABC on Mar 24, 2016 16:12:59 GMT 1, I very rarely discuss politics here; however, this should be interested hearing the views. I'm still torn at the moment as there is little credible โpros and cons" information out there to base a decision on. FT has some of the best arguments (so I hear). That said, I've heard a fair amount more constructive argument for the leave campaign as opposed to the stay.
But having served a full stint (22 years +) in the forces, visited over 100+ countries and worked for NATO for many years in the past, a fair bit in Brussels too I can whole heartedly state that Europe/the world is a bloody mess at the moment and governments need to stop acting like a bunch of kids, pull together and reform.
Iโve seen first hand, as Iโd spent many hours in the past at very high level meetings (some at DefMin Level) where Nations differences turn into full on arguments and disrespect for each other, it was comical.
And don't for one minute think the latest refugee crisis is about the EU processes (or the lack of them) you need to look towards Mr Putin who is now sat back with cigar alight behind a gentle smile knowing his last few months of activities is beginning to tear Europe apart. We are living in uncertain times, and our โSafeโ western environment is not so safe anymore.
More than likely edited but Farage view is always interesting.
I very rarely discuss politics here; however, this should be interested hearing the views. I'm still torn at the moment as there is little credible โpros and cons" information out there to base a decision on. FT has some of the best arguments (so I hear). That said, I've heard a fair amount more constructive argument for the leave campaign as opposed to the stay.
But having served a full stint (22 years +) in the forces, visited over 100+ countries and worked for NATO for many years in the past, a fair bit in Brussels too I can whole heartedly state that Europe/the world is a bloody mess at the moment and governments need to stop acting like a bunch of kids, pull together and reform.
Iโve seen first hand, as Iโd spent many hours in the past at very high level meetings (some at DefMin Level) where Nations differences turn into full on arguments and disrespect for each other, it was comical.
And don't for one minute think the latest refugee crisis is about the EU processes (or the lack of them) you need to look towards Mr Putin who is now sat back with cigar alight behind a gentle smile knowing his last few months of activities is beginning to tear Europe apart. We are living in uncertain times, and our โSafeโ western environment is not so safe anymore.
More than likely edited but Farage view is always interesting.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Someones Brain on Mar 24, 2016 16:49:41 GMT 1, It's not only about free movement of goods and persons (that was discussed above), but also of capital (financial ressources, assets). That might be a problem for the UK too. And of course it's a question of political stability in Europe.
The only positive outcome of the UK leaving the EU would be a disciplining effect on other uncertain, irresolute member states when they can finally consider the medium-term (economic) consequences of such a decision.
It's not only about free movement of goods and persons (that was discussed above), but also of capital (financial ressources, assets). That might be a problem for the UK too. And of course it's a question of political stability in Europe.
The only positive outcome of the UK leaving the EU would be a disciplining effect on other uncertain, irresolute member states when they can finally consider the medium-term (economic) consequences of such a decision.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Mar 24, 2016 17:16:35 GMT 1, My vote is to remain within. The biggest challenged faced by the "Bremain" campaign is the argument is predominantly an economics one and trying to stimulate people to be interested in that subject matter. The "Brexit" campaign appears to centre around more emotive subjects such as Control, Sovereignty and Immigration.
My vote is to remain within. The biggest challenged faced by the "Bremain" campaign is the argument is predominantly an economics one and trying to stimulate people to be interested in that subject matter. The "Brexit" campaign appears to centre around more emotive subjects such as Control, Sovereignty and Immigration.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 18:26:08 GMT 1, The trouble with the EU is it is rife with nepotism and corruption. It makes up the rules as it goes along and demands more and more money whilst refusing to sign off it's accounts and say where the missing billions have gone.
It's marxist fascist in some ways and the people in charge see the whole of euope as their state that they govern as they wish.
Like they fucked up big time in Ukraine and ran off like cowards when Putin annexed or took back Crimea and now they are giving billions to Turkey and doing deals with Turkey.
Corrupt alcoholic alledgedly politician Juncker is in charge and doing secret deals with globalist puppet Merkel regardless of European countries real interests
People in Spain being evicted and losing their homes across europe too due to this fake orchestrated euro economic crisis. Lagarde who pays zero tax on her huge salary lectures the Greeks about paying tax.
Europe has too much power and leaders of smaller countries who support the EU policies today are obviously bought and paid for puppets.
The out campaign looks for scapegoats when in reality if the UK does leave europe it will still not prevent illegal immigration and benefit scroungers from UK's former colonies etc.
Why should european countries buy goods from UK when the UK hardly produces anything but imports from China and sweatt shops abroad to re sell in the UK just as all the european countries do too.
The UK politicians sold out the people ages ago and even give contracts, building trains and ships to foreign companies.
UK won't be any safer from jihadis as if they can't get into the UK from the continent. They will always find other ways like coming in on viasa from Pakistan etc.
Schengen zone and free travel is and has always been a disaster waiting to happen.
The trouble with the EU is it is rife with nepotism and corruption. It makes up the rules as it goes along and demands more and more money whilst refusing to sign off it's accounts and say where the missing billions have gone.
It's marxist fascist in some ways and the people in charge see the whole of euope as their state that they govern as they wish.
Like they fucked up big time in Ukraine and ran off like cowards when Putin annexed or took back Crimea and now they are giving billions to Turkey and doing deals with Turkey.
Corrupt alcoholic alledgedly politician Juncker is in charge and doing secret deals with globalist puppet Merkel regardless of European countries real interests
People in Spain being evicted and losing their homes across europe too due to this fake orchestrated euro economic crisis. Lagarde who pays zero tax on her huge salary lectures the Greeks about paying tax.
Europe has too much power and leaders of smaller countries who support the EU policies today are obviously bought and paid for puppets.
The out campaign looks for scapegoats when in reality if the UK does leave europe it will still not prevent illegal immigration and benefit scroungers from UK's former colonies etc.
Why should european countries buy goods from UK when the UK hardly produces anything but imports from China and sweatt shops abroad to re sell in the UK just as all the european countries do too.
The UK politicians sold out the people ages ago and even give contracts, building trains and ships to foreign companies.
UK won't be any safer from jihadis as if they can't get into the UK from the continent. They will always find other ways like coming in on viasa from Pakistan etc.
Schengen zone and free travel is and has always been a disaster waiting to happen.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by rgc on Mar 24, 2016 18:28:53 GMT 1, The trouble with the EU is it is rife with nepotism and corruption. It makes up the rules as it goes along and demands more and more money whilst refusing to sign off it's accounts and say where the missing billions have gone. It's marxist fascist in some ways and the people in charge see the whole of euope as their state that they govern as they wish. Like they f**ked up big time in Ukraine and ran off like cowards when Putin annexed or took back Crimea and now they are giving billions to Turkey and doing deals with Turkey. Corrupt alcoholic alledgedly politician Juncker is in charge and doing secret deals with globalist puppet Merkel regardless of European countries real interests People in Spain being evicted and losing their homes across europe too due to this fake orchestrated euro economic crisis. Lagarde who pays zero tax on her huge salary lectures the Greeks about paying tax. Europe has too much power and leaders of smaller countries who support the EU policies today are obviously bought and paid for puppets. The out campaign looks for scapegoats when in reality if the UK does leave europe it will still not prevent illegal immigration and benefit scroungers from UK's former colonies etc. Why should european countries buy goods from UK when the UK hardly produces anything but imports from China and sweatt shops abroad to re sell in the UK just as all the european countries do too. The UK politicians sold out the people ages ago and even give contracts, building trains and ships to foreign companies. UK won't be any safer from jihadis as if they can't get into the UK from the continent. They will always find other ways like coming in on viasa from Pakistan etc. Schengen zone and free travel is and has always been a disaster waiting to happen.
So your supporting the stay in campaign then?
The trouble with the EU is it is rife with nepotism and corruption. It makes up the rules as it goes along and demands more and more money whilst refusing to sign off it's accounts and say where the missing billions have gone. It's marxist fascist in some ways and the people in charge see the whole of euope as their state that they govern as they wish. Like they f**ked up big time in Ukraine and ran off like cowards when Putin annexed or took back Crimea and now they are giving billions to Turkey and doing deals with Turkey. Corrupt alcoholic alledgedly politician Juncker is in charge and doing secret deals with globalist puppet Merkel regardless of European countries real interests People in Spain being evicted and losing their homes across europe too due to this fake orchestrated euro economic crisis. Lagarde who pays zero tax on her huge salary lectures the Greeks about paying tax. Europe has too much power and leaders of smaller countries who support the EU policies today are obviously bought and paid for puppets. The out campaign looks for scapegoats when in reality if the UK does leave europe it will still not prevent illegal immigration and benefit scroungers from UK's former colonies etc. Why should european countries buy goods from UK when the UK hardly produces anything but imports from China and sweatt shops abroad to re sell in the UK just as all the european countries do too. The UK politicians sold out the people ages ago and even give contracts, building trains and ships to foreign companies. UK won't be any safer from jihadis as if they can't get into the UK from the continent. They will always find other ways like coming in on viasa from Pakistan etc. Schengen zone and free travel is and has always been a disaster waiting to happen. So your supporting the stay in campaign then? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 18:35:56 GMT 1, The trouble with the EU is it is rife with nepotism and corruption. It makes up the rules as it goes along and demands more and more money whilst refusing to sign off it's accounts and say where the missing billions have gone. It's marxist fascist in some ways and the people in charge see the whole of euope as their state that they govern as they wish. Like they f**ked up big time in Ukraine and ran off like cowards when Putin annexed or took back Crimea and now they are giving billions to Turkey and doing deals with Turkey. Corrupt alcoholic alledgedly politician Juncker is in charge and doing secret deals with globalist puppet Merkel regardless of European countries real interests People in Spain being evicted and losing their homes across europe too due to this fake orchestrated euro economic crisis. Lagarde who pays zero tax on her huge salary lectures the Greeks about paying tax. Europe has too much power and leaders of smaller countries who support the EU policies today are obviously bought and paid for puppets. The out campaign looks for scapegoats when in reality if the UK does leave europe it will still not prevent illegal immigration and benefit scroungers from UK's former colonies etc. Why should european countries buy goods from UK when the UK hardly produces anything but imports from China and sweatt shops abroad to re sell in the UK just as all the european countries do too. The UK politicians sold out the people ages ago and even give contracts, building trains and ships to foreign companies. UK won't be any safer from jihadis as if they can't get into the UK from the continent. They will always find other ways like coming in on viasa from Pakistan etc. Schengen zone and free travel is and has always been a disaster waiting to happen. So your supporting the stay in campaign then?
I'm supporting overthrow the system
The trouble with the EU is it is rife with nepotism and corruption. It makes up the rules as it goes along and demands more and more money whilst refusing to sign off it's accounts and say where the missing billions have gone. It's marxist fascist in some ways and the people in charge see the whole of euope as their state that they govern as they wish. Like they f**ked up big time in Ukraine and ran off like cowards when Putin annexed or took back Crimea and now they are giving billions to Turkey and doing deals with Turkey. Corrupt alcoholic alledgedly politician Juncker is in charge and doing secret deals with globalist puppet Merkel regardless of European countries real interests People in Spain being evicted and losing their homes across europe too due to this fake orchestrated euro economic crisis. Lagarde who pays zero tax on her huge salary lectures the Greeks about paying tax. Europe has too much power and leaders of smaller countries who support the EU policies today are obviously bought and paid for puppets. The out campaign looks for scapegoats when in reality if the UK does leave europe it will still not prevent illegal immigration and benefit scroungers from UK's former colonies etc. Why should european countries buy goods from UK when the UK hardly produces anything but imports from China and sweatt shops abroad to re sell in the UK just as all the european countries do too. The UK politicians sold out the people ages ago and even give contracts, building trains and ships to foreign companies. UK won't be any safer from jihadis as if they can't get into the UK from the continent. They will always find other ways like coming in on viasa from Pakistan etc. Schengen zone and free travel is and has always been a disaster waiting to happen. So your supporting the stay in campaign then? I'm neither supporting stay in or stay out. I'm supporting overthrow the system |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 19:10:44 GMT 1, The people running the EU do not care about europeans. People living in europe who actually work for a living. They have created a hierachy which will continue for generations where they are even trying to ban free speech and criticism of European politics and politicians.
They are always planning ahead and the free movement they promoted as making europe safer and where criminals and information on them and terrorists would be more quickly and easily shared by european agencies. Yet they still managed to be so incompetent that they had all the info and this weeks attack in Brussels happened.
Apart from some free movement no passport checks I don't see many benefits that the EU gave us.
The people running the EU do not care about europeans. People living in europe who actually work for a living. They have created a hierachy which will continue for generations where they are even trying to ban free speech and criticism of European politics and politicians.
They are always planning ahead and the free movement they promoted as making europe safer and where criminals and information on them and terrorists would be more quickly and easily shared by european agencies. Yet they still managed to be so incompetent that they had all the info and this weeks attack in Brussels happened.
Apart from some free movement no passport checks I don't see many benefits that the EU gave us.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by .dappy on Mar 24, 2016 20:06:58 GMT 1, ... what have the Romans ever done for us ...
... what have the Romans ever done for us ...
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by markent on Mar 24, 2016 21:03:24 GMT 1, Out, no brainer
Out, no brainer
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by My Name is Frank on Mar 24, 2016 21:07:45 GMT 1, We all live on one planet, some twats decided to make dividing lines on it and the rest is history. If we can get past selfish nationalism and actually start creating true unions, we might be able to start dealing with the global issues facing humanity. I can only see walking away from closer integration with the world as a backward step.
We all live on one planet, some twats decided to make dividing lines on it and the rest is history. If we can get past selfish nationalism and actually start creating true unions, we might be able to start dealing with the global issues facing humanity. I can only see walking away from closer integration with the world as a backward step.
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most of our trade is with the rest of the world, and Europe only buy their own stuff.
