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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Fะฏ on Jun 27, 2016 12:16:15 GMT 1, A friend of mine just came back from the Ukraine and tells me that Ukrainians have been granted visa free travel to the EU.
Doubt it
A friend of mine just came back from the Ukraine and tells me that Ukrainians have been granted visa free travel to the EU. Doubt it |
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Hubble Bubble
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Hubble Bubble on Jun 27, 2016 12:27:49 GMT 1, I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom.
I wish I felt more positive but I don't.
I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom.
I wish I felt more positive but I don't.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Reader on Jun 27, 2016 12:40:07 GMT 1, A friend of mine just came back from the Ukraine and tells me that Ukrainians have been granted visa free travel to the EU.
A friend of mine just came back from the Ukraine and tells me that Ukrainians have been granted visa free travel to the EU. must be true then |
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chads007
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 27, 2016 13:05:01 GMT 1, I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom. I wish I felt more positive but I don't.
That's depressing
I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom. I wish I felt more positive but I don't. That's depressing |
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Hubble Bubble
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Hubble Bubble on Jun 27, 2016 13:09:32 GMT 1, I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom. I wish I felt more positive but I don't. That's depressing
I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom. I wish I felt more positive but I don't. That's depressing I know mate. And trust me... any forumite that's met me will testify that I'm one of the most positive and upbeat folk around. Just finding it hard right now. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 27, 2016 13:28:43 GMT 1, And the brexit plan is going well so far!
We were told there would be a period of informal talks before the exit trigger is formally pulled. That's now been firmly rejected. Clear warning sign that we are not going to be given the easy ride that brexiter's promised. As many of us predicted.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36637232
And the brexit plan is going well so far! We were told there would be a period of informal talks before the exit trigger is formally pulled. That's now been firmly rejected. Clear warning sign that we are not going to be given the easy ride that brexiter's promised. As many of us predicted. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36637232 |
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chads007
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 27, 2016 13:35:50 GMT 1, Saw on fb feed.
'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London.
Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London.
Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that.
We are not your enemy. #brexit'
Saw on fb feed.
'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London.
Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London.
Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that.
We are not your enemy. #brexit'
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 27, 2016 14:50:04 GMT 1,
Vote REMAIN, Think about your children and grandchildren! stay in the EU and give them the freedom to live in other countries with 20, 30, 40, 50% youth unemployment, think of the opportunities! Vote REMAIN.
Vote REMAIN, Think about your children and grandchildren! stay in the EU and give them the freedom to live in other countries with 20, 30, 40, 50% youth unemployment, think of the opportunities! Vote REMAIN. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 14:58:57 GMT 1, Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us.
My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given.
Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities.
Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us.
My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given.
Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 27, 2016 15:05:38 GMT 1, Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities.
Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves?
Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities. Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? |
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tartarus
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:11:43 GMT 1, Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities. Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves?
Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up.
Weak pound? or great export opportunity.
Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.
Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities. Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster. |
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crank
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 15:12:45 GMT 1, Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities. Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves?
Well one has left already. The other in Luxembourg is not sure what will happen. He's a teacher teaching english as a foreign language. His kids (14 and 15) have said they'd love to follow in his footsteps but they're not sure if the opportunities will be there for them. Things such as healthcare will be affected so it's not just about living somewhere, it's about the conditions you live in.
Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities. Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? Well one has left already. The other in Luxembourg is not sure what will happen. He's a teacher teaching english as a foreign language. His kids (14 and 15) have said they'd love to follow in his footsteps but they're not sure if the opportunities will be there for them. Things such as healthcare will be affected so it's not just about living somewhere, it's about the conditions you live in. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 15:13:51 GMT 1, Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear.ย Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up.ย Weak pound? or great export opportunity.ย Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.ย
The weak pound is a great export opportunity!!! I've heard it all now!
Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear.ย Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up.ย Weak pound? or great export opportunity.ย Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.ย The weak pound is a great export opportunity!!! I've heard it all now! |
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Hubble Bubble
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Hubble Bubble on Jun 27, 2016 15:14:22 GMT 1, Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities. Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves?
Unless I've misinterpreted your question, I thought this was a fairly obvious consequence of leaving the EU.
Yep god forbid we would actually give our kids or grandchildren the opportunities to live and work in those countries with lower unemployment than us. My brother worked in Germany for years and loved it. I also have a friend currently living and working in Luxembourg who's loving it and now isn't sure what the future holds for him and his family. Both were so glad they had the opportunity to live and work in other European countries. Opportunities their kids won't be given. Vote leave for a great future of limited opportunities. Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? Well, that will be down to the countries concerned, Dan. Our citizens will almost certainly have no right to free movement so we will need to negotiate visas/work permits etc. Unless I've misinterpreted your question, I thought this was a fairly obvious consequence of leaving the EU. |
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Harveyn
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Jun 27, 2016 15:19:18 GMT 1, Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? Well, that will be down to the countries concerned, Dan. Our citizens will almost certainly have no right to free movement so we will need to negotiate visas/work permits etc. Unless I've misinterpreted your question, I thought this was a fairly obvious consequence of leaving the EU. This is exactly what concerned me. People did not understand the potential and actual implications of being outside the EU. Nothing is certain and its a gamble. Sometimes a gamble can pay off but these are mighty big stakes!!! Too big IMO.
As I said in a previous post my biggest concern was those people who were ill informed or uninformed when they cast their vote.
Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? Well, that will be down to the countries concerned, Dan. Our citizens will almost certainly have no right to free movement so we will need to negotiate visas/work permits etc. Unless I've misinterpreted your question, I thought this was a fairly obvious consequence of leaving the EU. This is exactly what concerned me. People did not understand the potential and actual implications of being outside the EU. Nothing is certain and its a gamble. Sometimes a gamble can pay off but these are mighty big stakes!!! Too big IMO.
As I said in a previous post my biggest concern was those people who were ill informed or uninformed when they cast their vote.
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tartarus
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:28:27 GMT 1, yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster. The weak pound is a great export opportunity!!! I've heard it all now!
Laugh it up mate, its simple economics.
yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster. The weak pound is a great export opportunity!!! I've heard it all now! well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but thats how this shit works. Its now a lot cheaper to trade with us thn it was. If loads otf people take that opportunity we make lots of money. If we have lots of money and lots of trade we are "prosperous" and the ยฃ will gain again. Laugh it up mate, its simple economics. |
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tartarus
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:35:40 GMT 1, put this way its even less of a worry!
put this way its even less of a worry! |
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crank
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 15:40:13 GMT 1, Wow no need to get abusive is there.
No wonder the country's in the state it's in when people turn to abusing others so quickly.
Wow no need to get abusive is there.
No wonder the country's in the state it's in when people turn to abusing others so quickly.
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Harveyn
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Jun 27, 2016 15:41:53 GMT 1, Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
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tartarus
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:42:17 GMT 1, Wow no need to get abusive is there. No wonder the country's in the state it's in when people turn to abusing others so quickly.
Wow no need to get abusive is there. No wonder the country's in the state it's in when people turn to abusing others so quickly. maybe you should reread the tone in your reply. You were the one attempting to belittle me, while being completely wrong. no need to be obtuse now is there. |
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tartarus
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:52:19 GMT 1, yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster.
Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be.
Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity.
Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything. |
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crank
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 15:54:30 GMT 1, Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already.
The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside.
I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral
compass.
Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already.
The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside.
I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral
compass.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:57:40 GMT 1, Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already. The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside. I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral compass.
Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already. The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside. I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral compass. ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 15:59:16 GMT 1, Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already. The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside. I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral compass. ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation.ย
I was not replying to you so please do not engage with me again.
Ps - it's "you're"
Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already. The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside. I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral compass. ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation.ย I was not replying to you so please do not engage with me again. Ps - it's "you're" |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Jun 27, 2016 16:04:57 GMT 1,
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
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tartarus
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 16:08:55 GMT 1, ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation. I was not replying to you so please do not engage with me again. Ps - it's "you're"
P.S your a pedant? Well theres a surprise.
ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation. I was not replying to you so please do not engage with me again. Ps - it's "you're" I'm sorry, you weren't engaging with me? Its pretty clear that you were. P.S your a pedant? Well theres a surprise. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 16:15:25 GMT 1, me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 16:26:57 GMT 1, Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? Well, that will be down to the countries concerned, Dan. ย Our citizens will almost certainly have no right to free movement so we will need to negotiate visas/work permits etc. Unless I've misinterpreted your question, I thought this was a fairly obvious consequence of leaving the EU. ย
Yes and work permits/visas would probably be based on a skills points system which many of the Brits working abroad might not reach. Current estimates show that there are over 2 million Brits living and working abroad in the EU, not all of them will be in highly skilled jobs that that the locals could not do so what would happen to them?
Meanwhile.......Scotland now want to leave the Union and will very probably hold a 2nd referendum. Gibraltar (who voted 95% to stay in the EU) now have Spain offering to 'look after them' with joint sovereignty so I'm not sure they're thanking us very much.
Putting the 'Great' back into Britain? Well it's a catchy sound bite that many people fell for but I don't see anything great about this.
Are they not allowed to live and work there if the UK leaves? Well, that will be down to the countries concerned, Dan. ย Our citizens will almost certainly have no right to free movement so we will need to negotiate visas/work permits etc. Unless I've misinterpreted your question, I thought this was a fairly obvious consequence of leaving the EU. ย Yes and work permits/visas would probably be based on a skills points system which many of the Brits working abroad might not reach. Current estimates show that there are over 2 million Brits living and working abroad in the EU, not all of them will be in highly skilled jobs that that the locals could not do so what would happen to them? Meanwhile.......Scotland now want to leave the Union and will very probably hold a 2nd referendum. Gibraltar (who voted 95% to stay in the EU) now have Spain offering to 'look after them' with joint sovereignty so I'm not sure they're thanking us very much. Putting the 'Great' back into Britain? Well it's a catchy sound bite that many people fell for but I don't see anything great about this. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 16:36:00 GMT 1, I know mate. ย And trust me... any forumite that's met me will testify that I'm one of the most positive and upbeat folk around. ย Just finding it hard right now.
Yep this result is a UKIP, EDL, Britain First, BNP and Patriots dream come true. Of course not everyone who voted Leave is racist, that's just stupid, but the stark fact is that most people who are racist would have voted Leave. Just have look at the websites of the above organisations and you'll see how thrilled they are with the result. They now feel legitimised to tell any foreign person to 'Go home' and generally abuse them. My Polish fiancรฉ has already been told it's 'time to get out' by complete strangers when she was speaking Polish on the phone.
Out country just lurched to the right and that makes me very uncomfortable.
I know mate. ย And trust me... any forumite that's met me will testify that I'm one of the most positive and upbeat folk around. ย Just finding it hard right now. Yep this result is a UKIP, EDL, Britain First, BNP and Patriots dream come true. Of course not everyone who voted Leave is racist, that's just stupid, but the stark fact is that most people who are racist would have voted Leave. Just have look at the websites of the above organisations and you'll see how thrilled they are with the result. They now feel legitimised to tell any foreign person to 'Go home' and generally abuse them. My Polish fiancรฉ has already been told it's 'time to get out' by complete strangers when she was speaking Polish on the phone. Out country just lurched to the right and that makes me very uncomfortable. |
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