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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 16:40:57 GMT 1, A friend of mine just came back from the Ukraine and tells me that Ukrainians have been granted visa free travel to the EU. must be true then
A friend of mine just came back from the Ukraine and tells me that Ukrainians have been granted visa free travel to the EU. must be true then It's only what he told me that he was told when he was there. He has been doing business in Ukraine for 30 years and owns property there. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Viking Surfer on Jun 27, 2016 16:44:33 GMT 1, I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom. I wish I felt more positive but I don't.
I suspect we will see the following: power vacuums and instability within the main parties plus a recently energised electorate will result in an early General Election with UKIP filling the gap and converting many of its near misses at the last election into seats. A disillusioned public will see no marked change in immigration but will see a dramatic fall in economic performance both of the country as a whole and within, by way of rising prices, mortgages etc. The newly found ability to blame 'foreigners' for these ills will continue to rise and feed the hitherto suppressed racism within many factions of our society. This intolerance will grow, in some instances becoming outright persecution and will become an everyday part of our living in the United Kingdom. And, as to that United Kingdom bit, we will soon become simply England rather than the United Kingdom. I wish I felt more positive but I don't. I just hope you are wrong, but I don't think you will be. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 27, 2016 16:50:23 GMT 1, Is it just a majority of well off and well educated people that appear to be worried about leaving the EU... Perhaps they might only make ยฃ40 million this year instead of ยฃ50 million.
Is it just a majority of well off and well educated people that appear to be worried about leaving the EU... Perhaps they might only make ยฃ40 million this year instead of ยฃ50 million.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 16:53:05 GMT 1, Vote REMAIN, Think about your children and grandchildren! stay in the EU and give them the freedom to live in other countries with 20, 30, 40, 50% youth unemployment, think of the opportunities! Vote REMAIN. 
Plus the unemployment in europe wa spartly caused by the EU's austerity measures. The Euro and abolishing cash transactions.
However there are some who have benefited greatly from open borders.
Vote REMAIN, Think about your children and grandchildren! stay in the EU and give them the freedom to live in other countries with 20, 30, 40, 50% youth unemployment, think of the opportunities! Vote REMAIN. Figures are wrong. I know for a fact that marseille yoof unemployment and unemployment in general is 60%. The French complain about it all the time. Plus the unemployment in europe wa spartly caused by the EU's austerity measures. The Euro and abolishing cash transactions. However there are some who have benefited greatly from open borders. |
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Harveyn
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Harveyn on Jun 27, 2016 16:54:49 GMT 1,
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
Just one other point on export. I believe that the UK needs to continue to drive its export strategy from a position of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. That means appropriate funding into education and research and development. I think short term there are some export gains for some sectors due to a weakening ยฃGBP but ultimately its a slippery slope and a battle we as a nation are not destined to win.
UK PLC will survive by being a centre of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. Certainly in manufacturing, UK companies have survived by adding services and value to their portfolio. They have survived by reducing the impact of cheap labour from LCRs by moving into niece markets and automating processes.
We absolutely must have a healthy export market to have a healthy GDP. We cannot be self sufficient.
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
Just one other point on export. I believe that the UK needs to continue to drive its export strategy from a position of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. That means appropriate funding into education and research and development. I think short term there are some export gains for some sectors due to a weakening ยฃGBP but ultimately its a slippery slope and a battle we as a nation are not destined to win.
UK PLC will survive by being a centre of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. Certainly in manufacturing, UK companies have survived by adding services and value to their portfolio. They have survived by reducing the impact of cheap labour from LCRs by moving into niece markets and automating processes.
We absolutely must have a healthy export market to have a healthy GDP. We cannot be self sufficient.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 16:56:48 GMT 1, Saw on fb feed. 'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London. Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London. Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that. We are not your enemy. #brexit'
I'm also suprised that in London which has been a very cosmopolitan city for decades that anyone would think they have the right to tell others to leave the country.
Saw on fb feed. 'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London. Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London. Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that. We are not your enemy. #brexit' I'm not trying to be funny but did the tournament include athiests? I'm also suprised that in London which has been a very cosmopolitan city for decades that anyone would think they have the right to tell others to leave the country. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 16:59:40 GMT 1,
The Polish are easy targets being white mainly Catholic and eating pork. It's probably the usual Britain First, BNP type chavs that love Farage Simpson the cartoon politician so much . By the same token these people wouldn't target Jewish or Muslim or ethnic minorities and think they can get away with targeting Polish. Like that orange t**t Robert Kilroy Silk did when he said a few years ago Poles were stealing jobs by charging less than English plumbers to change a washer in a tap. Bet the old grannies were pleased paying ten quid insted of 200 to a rip off plumber and Kilroy Silk said they undercut steal jobs cos they all sleep ten to a room but they are good Catholics, so clearly defining he was not referring to Polish Jews who moved to the UK to find work too.
The Polish are easy targets being white mainly Catholic and eating pork. It's probably the usual Britain First, BNP type chavs that love Farage Simpson the cartoon politician so much . By the same token these people wouldn't target Jewish or Muslim or ethnic minorities and think they can get away with targeting Polish. Like that orange t**t Robert Kilroy Silk did when he said a few years ago Poles were stealing jobs by charging less than English plumbers to change a washer in a tap. Bet the old grannies were pleased paying ten quid insted of 200 to a rip off plumber and Kilroy Silk said they undercut steal jobs cos they all sleep ten to a room but they are good Catholics, so clearly defining he was not referring to Polish Jews who moved to the UK to find work too.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 27, 2016 17:02:24 GMT 1, I know mate. ย And trust me... any forumite that's met me will testify that I'm one of the most positive and upbeat folk around. ย Just finding it hard right now. Yep this result is a UKIP, EDL, Britain First, BNP and Patriots dream come true. Of course not everyone who voted Leave is racist, that's just stupid, but the stark fact is that most people who are racist would have voted Leave. Just have look at the websites of the above organisations and you'll see how thrilled they are with the result. They now feel legitimised to tell any foreign person to 'Go home' and generally abuse them. My Polish fiancรฉ has already been told it's 'time to get out' by complete strangers when she was speaking Polish on the phone. Out country just lurched to the right and that makes me very uncomfortable.
Time will come for the left to militarise
I know mate. ย And trust me... any forumite that's met me will testify that I'm one of the most positive and upbeat folk around. ย Just finding it hard right now. Yep this result is a UKIP, EDL, Britain First, BNP and Patriots dream come true. Of course not everyone who voted Leave is racist, that's just stupid, but the stark fact is that most people who are racist would have voted Leave. Just have look at the websites of the above organisations and you'll see how thrilled they are with the result. They now feel legitimised to tell any foreign person to 'Go home' and generally abuse them. My Polish fiancรฉ has already been told it's 'time to get out' by complete strangers when she was speaking Polish on the phone. Out country just lurched to the right and that makes me very uncomfortable. Time will come for the left to militarise |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 17:02:28 GMT 1, Saw on fb feed. 'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London. Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London. Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that. We are not your enemy. #brexit' I'm not trying to be funny but did the tournament include athiests? ย ย I'm also suprised that in London which has been a very cosmopolitan city for decades that anyone would think they have the right to tell others to leave the country.
That depends where you are in London. Some parts are certainly not cosmopolitan at all and are not good places for immigrants to go if they value their safety which is extremely sad.
I would recommend you have a look at the LBC radio Facebook page and look at some of the comments coming from a proportion of Londoners who claim it's 'not their city anymore'.
Saw on fb feed. 'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London. Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London. Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that. We are not your enemy. #brexit' I'm not trying to be funny but did the tournament include athiests? ย ย I'm also suprised that in London which has been a very cosmopolitan city for decades that anyone would think they have the right to tell others to leave the country. That depends where you are in London. Some parts are certainly not cosmopolitan at all and are not good places for immigrants to go if they value their safety which is extremely sad. I would recommend you have a look at the LBC radio Facebook page and look at some of the comments coming from a proportion of Londoners who claim it's 'not their city anymore'. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by chads007 on Jun 27, 2016 17:04:14 GMT 1, Saw on fb feed. 'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London. Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London. Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that. We are not your enemy. #brexit' I'm not trying to be funny but did the tournament include athiests? ย ย I'm also suprised that in London which has been a very cosmopolitan city for decades that anyone would think they have the right to tell others to leave the country.
No idea on the first point. I assume so along with many other people who associate or not to something. Was just quoting. Agree on the latter point you make.
Saw on fb feed. 'Yesterday, I spent the afternoon helping at a multi-faith sports tournament for 7-13 year olds - it was a day of Christian, Jewish and Muslims communities coming together to play football. A great day for London. Today, a racist group of people got on a bus and started shouting verbal abuse and intimidating passengers telling them to leave the country. I was one of the passengers. A sad day for London. Today, I was pointed at and made to feel like this wasn't my home. And it was completely unexpected on a bus route I take to work everyday. And I'm not going to list all the reasons why this is my home, but instead I'm going to say: I hope that nobody I know, whatever their background or race, ever makes the mistake of making someone feel like that. We are not your enemy. #brexit' I'm not trying to be funny but did the tournament include athiests? ย ย I'm also suprised that in London which has been a very cosmopolitan city for decades that anyone would think they have the right to tell others to leave the country. No idea on the first point. I assume so along with many other people who associate or not to something. Was just quoting. Agree on the latter point you make. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:08:03 GMT 1, Merkel nor any other european head of a country has the power to start the process for the UK to leave the EU. Only the British Prime minister can do that. Plus no country like Spain ha sthe power to take any type of control over Gibralter or restrict Gibraltarians from working freely in Spain.
Of course being the continent, the further south one goes, the more like the wild west it becomes and also with local politics the mayors and beaurocrats can and do play games with foreigners who live in their regions.
Merkel nor any other european head of a country has the power to start the process for the UK to leave the EU. Only the British Prime minister can do that. Plus no country like Spain ha sthe power to take any type of control over Gibralter or restrict Gibraltarians from working freely in Spain.
Of course being the continent, the further south one goes, the more like the wild west it becomes and also with local politics the mayors and beaurocrats can and do play games with foreigners who live in their regions.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 17:09:49 GMT 1, hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
Just one other point on export. I believe that the UK needs to continue to drive its export strategy from a position of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. That means appropriate funding into education and research and development. I think short term there are some export gains for some sectors due to a weakening ยฃGBP but ultimately its a slippery slope and a battle we as a nation are not destined to win.
UK PLC will survive by being a centre of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. Certainly in manufacturing, UK companies have survived by adding services and value to their portfolio. They have survived by reducing the impact of cheap labour from LCRs by moving into niece markets and automating processes.
We absolutely must have a healthy export market to have a healthy GDP. We cannot be self sufficient.
With the low pound its an opportunity to pick up business, excellence would be the best way to make use of it and keep it, so the only way forward. We have china for cheap crap eh, and screw that model!
hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
Just one other point on export. I believe that the UK needs to continue to drive its export strategy from a position of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. That means appropriate funding into education and research and development. I think short term there are some export gains for some sectors due to a weakening ยฃGBP but ultimately its a slippery slope and a battle we as a nation are not destined to win.
UK PLC will survive by being a centre of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. Certainly in manufacturing, UK companies have survived by adding services and value to their portfolio. They have survived by reducing the impact of cheap labour from LCRs by moving into niece markets and automating processes.
We absolutely must have a healthy export market to have a healthy GDP. We cannot be self sufficient.
Couldn't agree more on investment, but thats another whole world of debate. And not for here. but Investment has been starved in so many places as part of the manipulation that got us here. its been used to fuel the hate, to prove the unsustainability of public services, to increase general insecurity and to manipulate the divisions. With the low pound its an opportunity to pick up business, excellence would be the best way to make use of it and keep it, so the only way forward. We have china for cheap crap eh, and screw that model! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 17:12:02 GMT 1, Merkel nor any other european head of a country has the power to start the process for the UK to leave the EU. Only the British Prime minister can do that. Plus no country like Spain ha sthe power to take any type of control over Gibralter or restrict Gibraltarians from working freely in Spain. Of course being the continent, the further south one goes, the more like the wild west it becomes and also with local politics the mayors and beaurocrats can and do play games with foreigners who live in their regions.
No Spain does not have the power to do this.
Obviously if Gibraltar held another referendum tomorrow on joint sovereignty I just wonder what the outcome would be.
Merkel nor any other european head of a country has the power to start the process for the UK to leave the EU. Only the British Prime minister can do that. Plus no country like Spain ha sthe power to take any type of control over Gibralter or restrict Gibraltarians from working freely in Spain. Of course being the continent, the further south one goes, the more like the wild west it becomes and also with local politics the mayors and beaurocrats can and do play games with foreigners who live in their regions. No Spain does not have the power to do this. Obviously if Gibraltar held another referendum tomorrow on joint sovereignty I just wonder what the outcome would be. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 17:13:13 GMT 1, Yep this result is a UKIP, EDL, Britain First, BNP and Patriots dream come true. Of course not everyone who voted Leave is racist, that's just stupid, but the stark fact is that most people who are racist would have voted Leave. Just have look at the websites of the above organisations and you'll see how thrilled they are with the result. They now feel legitimised to tell any foreign person to 'Go home' and generally abuse them. My Polish fiancรฉ has already been told it's 'time to get out' by complete strangers when she was speaking Polish on the phone. Out country just lurched to the right and that makes me very uncomfortable. Time will come for the left to militarise
I hope so.
It just always seem that the Right seem to shout louder though.
Yep this result is a UKIP, EDL, Britain First, BNP and Patriots dream come true. Of course not everyone who voted Leave is racist, that's just stupid, but the stark fact is that most people who are racist would have voted Leave. Just have look at the websites of the above organisations and you'll see how thrilled they are with the result. They now feel legitimised to tell any foreign person to 'Go home' and generally abuse them. My Polish fiancรฉ has already been told it's 'time to get out' by complete strangers when she was speaking Polish on the phone. Out country just lurched to the right and that makes me very uncomfortable. Time will come for the left to militarise I hope so. It just always seem that the Right seem to shout louder though. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 27, 2016 17:13:50 GMT 1, Not on here.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:23:42 GMT 1, Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out.
At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP.
It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland.
Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out.
At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP.
It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:35:44 GMT 1, So was it the too many eastern Europeans in the UK that the working class decided to vote for Brexit?
Stoked up by politicians targeting eastern europeans and not all were right wing politicians.
www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/21/change-rules-migrant-workers-miliband
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Hubble Bubble on Jun 27, 2016 17:48:20 GMT 1, Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland.
I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere."
Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland. I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:51:53 GMT 1, Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland. I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere."
Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland. I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." I agree but now the big money supporters have achieved their objective using Farage as their proxy. Then Brexit Boris will be Prime minister and these big money men will be wining and dining Boris not city spiv Farage. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 27, 2016 17:52:29 GMT 1, Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland. I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." 
Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland. I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." Yeah, I think even if labour replace Corbyn, UKIP will become the second party at the next elections. Labour have lost touch and alienated their supporters for the last decade, and the funny thing is that they still don't realise it |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 27, 2016 17:57:15 GMT 1, Will the conservatives get a majority at the next election? Probably not.
Another coalition government, but with who?
Lib Dem, No
Labour, of course not
UKIP, yes.
Will the conservatives get a majority at the next election? Probably not. Another coalition government, but with who? Lib Dem, No Labour, of course not UKIP, yes. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:59:08 GMT 1, I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." Yeah, I think even if labour replace Corbyn, UKIP will become the second party at the next elections. Labour have lost touch and alienated their supporters for the last decade, and the funny thing is that they still don't realise it
All I see from Farage is we didn't say that exactly and it wasn't me who made that promise etc.
Anyway Farage could go and get a job in Europe and his children can too as they have not lost any EU rights having a German mother.
I wonder if Farage's German wife bosses him around at home.
Nigel clean up your leder kunel hosen your Svedish Volvo needs a vash.
I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." Yeah, I think even if labour replace Corbyn, UKIP will become the second party at the next elections. Labour have lost touch and alienated their supporters for the last decade, and the funny thing is that they still don't realise it If that's the case could you quote three or better still. One thing that UKIP, Farage said during the Brexit campaign that they will keep their word on and do after Brexit. All I see from Farage is we didn't say that exactly and it wasn't me who made that promise etc. Anyway Farage could go and get a job in Europe and his children can too as they have not lost any EU rights having a German mother. I wonder if Farage's German wife bosses him around at home. Nigel clean up your leder kunel hosen your Svedish Volvo needs a vash. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by crank on Jun 27, 2016 18:28:18 GMT 1, Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland. I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere."
I agree. Just look at the rise of UKIP and compare that to the decline of the BNP and the link is quite shocking.
UKIP will always have a significant number of followers who will look to 'their Nige' as the man who will deliver their ultimate goal - to deport immigrants. It will never happen (not unless UKIP ever actually get into any proper power) but just the thought of it is enough to keep their almost religious support for them going.
Sadly, UKIP are not going anywhere.
Just imagine if Corbyn was the prime minister and had decided on this Brexit referendum with teh same result and then Corby initiated article 50 and negotiated with the EU for Britains pull out. At least one good thing to have come from Brexit is that now there is no need for people to vote UKIP or support UKIP. It's back to a two party race and UKIP will dwindle into a sideshow in Brexitland. I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." I agree. Just look at the rise of UKIP and compare that to the decline of the BNP and the link is quite shocking. UKIP will always have a significant number of followers who will look to 'their Nige' as the man who will deliver their ultimate goal - to deport immigrants. It will never happen (not unless UKIP ever actually get into any proper power) but just the thought of it is enough to keep their almost religious support for them going. Sadly, UKIP are not going anywhere. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 27, 2016 19:30:26 GMT 1, Now our credit rating has been downgraded.
I wonder if brexiters still think the predictions of economic turmoil was a scare tactic?
At least we've got our country back!
Bitter, me?!
Now our credit rating has been downgraded.
I wonder if brexiters still think the predictions of economic turmoil was a scare tactic?
At least we've got our country back!
Bitter, me?!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by onetwothree on Jun 27, 2016 19:33:14 GMT 1, Will the conservatives get a majority at the next election? Probably not. Another coalition government, but with who? Lib Dem, No Labour, of course not UKIP, yes.
I heard somewhere the Lib Dems are attracting a lot of the European vote and might join forces with SNP for a coalition based on promise to stay in Europe.
That could be pretty awesome if there was a general election. I'd vote for that alliance to stay in and keep the UK.
Will the conservatives get a majority at the next election? Probably not. Another coalition government, but with who? Lib Dem, No Labour, of course not UKIP, yes. I heard somewhere the Lib Dems are attracting a lot of the European vote and might join forces with SNP for a coalition based on promise to stay in Europe. That could be pretty awesome if there was a general election. I'd vote for that alliance to stay in and keep the UK. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 19:34:59 GMT 1, Now our credit rating has been downgraded. I wonder if brexiters still think the predictions of economic turmoil was a scare tactic? At least we've got our country back! Bitter, me?!
Its not a good Coach, is it.
Now our credit rating has been downgraded. I wonder if brexiters still think the predictions of economic turmoil was a scare tactic? At least we've got our country back! Bitter, me?! Its not a good Coach, is it. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 19:36:55 GMT 1, Lets all get behind Jeremy..................
Lets all get behind Jeremy..................
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 27, 2016 19:40:24 GMT 1, Lets all get behind Jeremy..................
You're the greatest LF
Lets all get behind Jeremy.................. You're the greatest LF |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 19:41:35 GMT 1, is it just me, or is cameron a complete arse for resigning, how much instability has he caused?
He should have manned up and acted like a prime minister (someone in charge) and given confidence and leadership, not ran away like he has and let everyone else scramble around like headless chickens.
is it just me, or is cameron a complete arse for resigning, how much instability has he caused?
He should have manned up and acted like a prime minister (someone in charge) and given confidence and leadership, not ran away like he has and let everyone else scramble around like headless chickens.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 27, 2016 19:42:14 GMT 1, I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." Yeah, I think even if labour replace Corbyn, UKIP will become the second party at the next elections. Labour have lost touch and alienated their supporters for the last decade, and the funny thing is that they still don't realise it
Honestly, UKIP the second party at the next election?! What you been smoking silky?!
I very much doubt that, P. They are now legitimised and mobilising. Based on their share of the vote at the last election it isn't inconceivable they could be the second party at the next election. As Farage said yesterday, "We aren't going anywhere." Yeah, I think even if labour replace Corbyn, UKIP will become the second party at the next elections. Labour have lost touch and alienated their supporters for the last decade, and the funny thing is that they still don't realise it Honestly, UKIP the second party at the next election?! What you been smoking silky?! |
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