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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Sept 27, 2016 9:30:06 GMT 1, Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice!
As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after  A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal.
Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Hubble Bubble on Sept 27, 2016 9:37:07 GMT 1, I am pleased that the sky hasn't yet fallen in. I feel more relaxed about the situation.
I am pleased that the sky hasn't yet fallen in. I feel more relaxed about the situation.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Sept 27, 2016 10:14:51 GMT 1, Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal.
What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals?
Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Matt on Sept 27, 2016 10:56:06 GMT 1, Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals?
Rest assured, your government is doing great things for you.
Gotta love the simple Cold War rhetoric though...
The very few facts, transpriring from the UK government, seem to show that nothing has really moved or even been set in action. May has kindly disavowed and shut up her own crew when they suggested otherwise. But Brexit is Brexit, so rest assured etc etc...
In the meanwhile, the rhetoric from much of the press worldwide, regardless of political flavoring, seems to be something along the lines of "no sign of the British negotiatiors yet, we await your suggestions".
To be honest, whatever your stance on Brexit, I don't see how you can conclude that any kind of plan is in action
Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals? Rest assured, your government is doing great things for you. Gotta love the simple Cold War rhetoric though... The very few facts, transpriring from the UK government, seem to show that nothing has really moved or even been set in action. May has kindly disavowed and shut up her own crew when they suggested otherwise. But Brexit is Brexit, so rest assured etc etc... In the meanwhile, the rhetoric from much of the press worldwide, regardless of political flavoring, seems to be something along the lines of "no sign of the British negotiatiors yet, we await your suggestions". To be honest, whatever your stance on Brexit, I don't see how you can conclude that any kind of plan is in action |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by .dappy on Sept 27, 2016 10:56:31 GMT 1, Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal.
... Article 50 needs to be invoked for us to leave the EU ... the two year timescale was made up by politicians ... we could leave the next day if we wanted to ... the rest of your post is delusional!
Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. ... Article 50 needs to be invoked for us to leave the EU ... the two year timescale was made up by politicians ... we could leave the next day if we wanted to ... the rest of your post is delusional! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Sept 28, 2016 7:47:07 GMT 1, Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals?
Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals? I have seen in the news about deals already being prepared with Australia, Canada, and the foreign news media and foreign government information agencies I follow have lots of talk of UK trade ministers visiting to agree trade deals. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Sept 28, 2016 7:48:24 GMT 1, Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. ... Article 50 needs to be invoked for us to leave the EU ... the two year timescale was made up by politicians ... we could leave the next day if we wanted to ... the rest of your post is delusional!  We will see.
Seems like the UK Government is working hard on organising trade deal arrangements, but of course they can't actually sign anything before leaving the EU, so I wonder if the plan is get get them all ready then early next year give the EU a weeks notice! As far as I can tell the UK doesn't need to go down the Article 50 path, so maybe it could be done with a week or two notice and the trade deals all signed in a few weeks after A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal. ... Article 50 needs to be invoked for us to leave the EU ... the two year timescale was made up by politicians ... we could leave the next day if we wanted to ... the rest of your post is delusional! Thank you We will see. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Sept 28, 2016 11:07:45 GMT 1, What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals? I have seen in the news about deals already being prepared with Australia, Canada, and the foreign news media and foreign government information agencies I follow have lots of talk of UK trade ministers visiting to agree trade deals.
I don't profess to be an expert of any sort. However I do believe that there is a vast difference between trade delegations and expressions of desire to enter a trade deal and actually concluding the negotiations relating to one. I believe the later can take many months, at best.
I am always prepared to admit that I was wrong. The fallout from the vote, in particular relating to the economy has not been anywhere near as bad as I feared. I am very pleased about that. The reality is that we are talking about people's jobs. The fallout in some other respects has been more concerning, in particular the rise in hate crimes. I do hope that that is only temporary. There remain gloomy predictions about the future of the economy post actual brexit. I hope they are wrong. But I do worry about the financial and services sectors, if only because that (I believe) accounts for 80% of our economy and so a major downturn there would severely affect tax income and consequently spending on services. But again, I genuinely hope these fears are ill founded.
What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals? I have seen in the news about deals already being prepared with Australia, Canada, and the foreign news media and foreign government information agencies I follow have lots of talk of UK trade ministers visiting to agree trade deals. I don't profess to be an expert of any sort. However I do believe that there is a vast difference between trade delegations and expressions of desire to enter a trade deal and actually concluding the negotiations relating to one. I believe the later can take many months, at best. I am always prepared to admit that I was wrong. The fallout from the vote, in particular relating to the economy has not been anywhere near as bad as I feared. I am very pleased about that. The reality is that we are talking about people's jobs. The fallout in some other respects has been more concerning, in particular the rise in hate crimes. I do hope that that is only temporary. There remain gloomy predictions about the future of the economy post actual brexit. I hope they are wrong. But I do worry about the financial and services sectors, if only because that (I believe) accounts for 80% of our economy and so a major downturn there would severely affect tax income and consequently spending on services. But again, I genuinely hope these fears are ill founded. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by laurentbaboo on Sept 29, 2016 9:53:36 GMT 1, What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals? I have seen in the news about deals already being prepared with Australia, Canada, and the foreign news media and foreign government information agencies I follow have lots of talk of UK trade ministers visiting to agree trade deals.
Seen in the News this morning: reut.rs/2db3rR5
What is your source for suggesting the uk is close to agreeing trade deals? I have seen in the news about deals already being prepared with Australia, Canada, and the foreign news media and foreign government information agencies I follow have lots of talk of UK trade ministers visiting to agree trade deals. Seen in the News this morning: reut.rs/2db3rR5 |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Sept 29, 2016 9:58:01 GMT 1, I have seen in the news about deals already being prepared with Australia, Canada, and the foreign news media and foreign government information agencies I follow have lots of talk of UK trade ministers visiting to agree trade deals. Seen in the News this morning: reut.rs/2db3rR5
That does suggest that any assertion that we will serve a weeks notice early next year, and sign trade deals a few weeks later is somewhat optimistic, to put it mildly.
I have seen in the news about deals already being prepared with Australia, Canada, and the foreign news media and foreign government information agencies I follow have lots of talk of UK trade ministers visiting to agree trade deals. Seen in the News this morning: reut.rs/2db3rR5That does suggest that any assertion that we will serve a weeks notice early next year, and sign trade deals a few weeks later is somewhat optimistic, to put it mildly. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Oct 27, 2016 11:10:28 GMT 1, How do you feel about the UK economy for the last few months?
How do you feel about the UK economy for the last few months? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Dr Plip on Oct 27, 2016 11:22:35 GMT 1, I think it's f*cked. Morally bankrupt and in the toilet.
I think it's f*cked. Morally bankrupt and in the toilet.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Leo Boyd on Oct 27, 2016 11:28:54 GMT 1, we are now in october though and the pound has slumped and interest rates are going to rise... probably by quite a lot. good times.
we are now in october though and the pound has slumped and interest rates are going to rise... probably by quite a lot. good times.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Oct 27, 2016 11:34:58 GMT 1, How do you feel about the UK economy for the last few months?
We are still in the EU!!!
How do you feel about the UK economy for the last few months? We are still in the EU!!! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Happy Shopper on Oct 27, 2016 11:47:54 GMT 1, How do you feel about the UK economy for the last few months?
Our new crap exchange rate may even of helped businesses who sell abroad... but bad for the man in the street looking at higher prices for imported goods (most stuff) and his spending money on holiday.
How do you feel about the UK economy for the last few months? As others have said, we've not left the EU yet, so that we're doing OK shouldn't be a surprise. Our new crap exchange rate may even of helped businesses who sell abroad... but bad for the man in the street looking at higher prices for imported goods (most stuff) and his spending money on holiday. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by RoboJ on Oct 27, 2016 12:48:10 GMT 1, As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to.
As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 12:58:52 GMT 1, I'm feeling much better now that Mr Gove has joined Boris back in the front line, we just need Nigel back then I'll be able to fully relax; think I'm still in denial at a nations stupidity..........
I'm feeling much better now that Mr Gove has joined Boris back in the front line, we just need Nigel back then I'll be able to fully relax; think I'm still in denial at a nations stupidity..........
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Oct 27, 2016 13:02:13 GMT 1, As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to.
The growth of 0. something being reported across Europe and America is a joke compared to the 4, 5, 6, 7% growth in other developing parts of the World. We really need to start facing the reality that our economies can't pay for all the things we have come to expect.
As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to. Spot on! The growth of 0. something being reported across Europe and America is a joke compared to the 4, 5, 6, 7% growth in other developing parts of the World. We really need to start facing the reality that our economies can't pay for all the things we have come to expect. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Oct 27, 2016 13:11:21 GMT 1, As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to.
We can.
But if we want proper services we will have to accept an increase in taxes.
Take the nhs. We have a growing population and moreover an aging one. If we want the nhs to offer the same service that it has in the past, we will have to pay more for it. Otherwise we will continue to see it struggle to cope and eventually it will start to fail.
I would be happy to see increased taxes in return for better services and a fairer society.
As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to. We can. But if we want proper services we will have to accept an increase in taxes. Take the nhs. We have a growing population and moreover an aging one. If we want the nhs to offer the same service that it has in the past, we will have to pay more for it. Otherwise we will continue to see it struggle to cope and eventually it will start to fail. I would be happy to see increased taxes in return for better services and a fairer society. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Oct 27, 2016 13:16:56 GMT 1, As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to. Spot on! The growth of 0. something being reported across Europe and America is a joke compared to the 4, 5, 6, 7% growth in other developing parts of the World. We really need to start facing the reality that our economies can't pay for all the things we have come to expect.
Growth in a developed country will never be able to match the growth of developing countries. You aren't comparing like with like. No need to be concerned about that.
As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to. Spot on! The growth of 0. something being reported across Europe and America is a joke compared to the 4, 5, 6, 7% growth in other developing parts of the World. We really need to start facing the reality that our economies can't pay for all the things we have come to expect. Growth in a developed country will never be able to match the growth of developing countries. You aren't comparing like with like. No need to be concerned about that. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by RoboJ on Oct 27, 2016 13:26:18 GMT 1, As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to. We can. But if we want proper services we will have to accept an increase in taxes. Take the nhs. We have a growing population and moreover an aging one. If we want the nhs to offer the same service that it has in the past, we will have to pay more for it. Otherwise we will continue to see it struggle to cope and eventually it will start to fail. I would be happy to see increased taxes in return for better services and a fairer society.
Yes you're right that is one way of raising the funds. I guess the issue is tightening up loop holes in the law that incentivises tax avoidance schemes to ensure that if taxes go up we all contribute more. I would be happy with that. A Donald trump style avoidance in the uk would make me furious.
As above yes we may have seen growth but when ever I hear the news now libraries, museums and galleries are under threat due to having to make cuts to get by. We simply can not afford the life style we have become acustomed to. We can. But if we want proper services we will have to accept an increase in taxes. Take the nhs. We have a growing population and moreover an aging one. If we want the nhs to offer the same service that it has in the past, we will have to pay more for it. Otherwise we will continue to see it struggle to cope and eventually it will start to fail. I would be happy to see increased taxes in return for better services and a fairer society. Yes you're right that is one way of raising the funds. I guess the issue is tightening up loop holes in the law that incentivises tax avoidance schemes to ensure that if taxes go up we all contribute more. I would be happy with that. A Donald trump style avoidance in the uk would make me furious. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by nex on Oct 27, 2016 13:26:54 GMT 1, on a planet of finite resources, how is growth sustainable anyway, in reality we shouldn't even be looking to obtain it
on a planet of finite resources, how is growth sustainable anyway, in reality we shouldn't even be looking to obtain it
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Oct 27, 2016 13:59:04 GMT 1, We can. But if we want proper services we will have to accept an increase in taxes. Take the nhs. We have a growing population and moreover an aging one. If we want the nhs to offer the same service that it has in the past, we will have to pay more for it. Otherwise we will continue to see it struggle to cope and eventually it will start to fail. I would be happy to see increased taxes in return for better services and a fairer society. Yes you're right that is one way of raising the funds. I guess the issue is tightening up loop holes in the law that incentivises tax avoidance schemes to ensure that if taxes go up we all contribute more. I would be happy with that. A Donald trump style avoidance in the uk would make me furious.
That would be a small start. However I'm talking about an increase to income tax.
We can. But if we want proper services we will have to accept an increase in taxes. Take the nhs. We have a growing population and moreover an aging one. If we want the nhs to offer the same service that it has in the past, we will have to pay more for it. Otherwise we will continue to see it struggle to cope and eventually it will start to fail. I would be happy to see increased taxes in return for better services and a fairer society. Yes you're right that is one way of raising the funds. I guess the issue is tightening up loop holes in the law that incentivises tax avoidance schemes to ensure that if taxes go up we all contribute more. I would be happy with that. A Donald trump style avoidance in the uk would make me furious. That would be a small start. However I'm talking about an increase to income tax. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by RoboJ on Oct 27, 2016 14:54:33 GMT 1, Yes you're right that is one way of raising the funds. I guess the issue is tightening up loop holes in the law that incentivises tax avoidance schemes to ensure that if taxes go up we all contribute more. I would be happy with that. A Donald trump style avoidance in the uk would make me furious. That would be a small start. However I'm talking about an increase to income tax.
Yes that's what I mean. I would be happy for an increase in income tax so long as we are all in it together. What I am conscious of is people who use loopholes to avoid paying this.
Yes you're right that is one way of raising the funds. I guess the issue is tightening up loop holes in the law that incentivises tax avoidance schemes to ensure that if taxes go up we all contribute more. I would be happy with that. A Donald trump style avoidance in the uk would make me furious. That would be a small start. However I'm talking about an increase to income tax. Yes that's what I mean. I would be happy for an increase in income tax so long as we are all in it together. What I am conscious of is people who use loopholes to avoid paying this. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Oct 27, 2016 19:11:02 GMT 1, ...or loopholes to avoid working for a living.
...or loopholes to avoid working for a living.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Leo Boyd on Oct 27, 2016 19:21:59 GMT 1, ...or loopholes to avoid working for a living.
...or loopholes to avoid working for a living. in jobs that dont exist |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Oct 27, 2016 21:39:00 GMT 1, So say the Jeremy Kyle generation.
So say the Jeremy Kyle generation.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Leo Boyd on Oct 30, 2016 17:39:28 GMT 1, So say the Jeremy Kyle generation.
So say the Jeremy Kyle generation. isn't that all a bit 90s? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Oct 30, 2016 17:57:25 GMT 1, I wouldn't know about that?
I wouldn't know about that?
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Nov 3, 2016 11:44:01 GMT 1, Hugely important constitutional case heard by the Divisional Court today. Application has been upheld. The government cannot invoke Article 50 without a vote and approval by parliament. Reason appears to be based (in part) on the fact the referendum is advisory, and therefore, I assume, cannot override parliamentary sovereignty.
I understand that leave to appeal has been granted.
Hugely important constitutional case heard by the Divisional Court today. Application has been upheld. The government cannot invoke Article 50 without a vote and approval by parliament. Reason appears to be based (in part) on the fact the referendum is advisory, and therefore, I assume, cannot override parliamentary sovereignty.
I understand that leave to appeal has been granted.
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A fast change would be better for the markets and I think the EU would also prefer it rather than a long two year withdrawal.
We will see.
