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Harland Miller Prints, by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 20:11:35 GMT 1, Sorry but Harland Miller feels like a poor man's Banksy for me. Cheap puns and schoolboy wit dressed as high art. I understand the sugar-hit appeal but it irritates me. ย It is, to quote The Connor Brothers.... Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement.
Haha. I thought the fact that no one bothered to respond the OP's "insight" was really all that needed to be said.
Sorry but Harland Miller feels like a poor man's Banksy for me. Cheap puns and schoolboy wit dressed as high art. I understand the sugar-hit appeal but it irritates me. ย It is, to quote The Connor Brothers.... Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement. Haha. I thought the fact that no one bothered to respond the OP's "insight" was really all that needed to be said. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by avec art on Dec 24, 2016 20:33:31 GMT 1, wait ... there's going to be a 'paint off' between these two?
wait ... there's going to be a 'paint off' between these two?
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Harland Miller Prints, by Ruggs on Dec 24, 2016 21:04:02 GMT 1, This really is the one Ive been waiting for - finally arrived home after 9 months and I can't get the f**cking thing up the stairs! First world problems!  
Absolutely love this!
This really is the one Ive been waiting for - finally arrived home after 9 months and I can't get the f**cking thing up the stairs! First world problems! Absolutely love this! |
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Harland Miller Prints, by WOOF on Dec 24, 2016 21:12:32 GMT 1, wait ... there's going to be a 'paint off' between these two?
You didn't hear? It's gonna be pay per view...
wait ... there's going to be a 'paint off' between these two? You didn't hear? It's gonna be pay per view... |
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Harland Miller Prints, by pollz66 on Dec 27, 2016 1:11:23 GMT 1, Sorry but Harland Miller feels like a poor man's Banksy for me. Cheap puns and schoolboy wit dressed as high art. I understand the sugar-hit appeal but it irritates me. It is, to quote The Connor Brothers.... Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement.
Ok, he's a rich man's Connor Brothers...
Sorry but Harland Miller feels like a poor man's Banksy for me. Cheap puns and schoolboy wit dressed as high art. I understand the sugar-hit appeal but it irritates me. It is, to quote The Connor Brothers.... Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement. Ok, he's a rich man's Connor Brothers... |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Viking Surfer on Dec 27, 2016 5:00:46 GMT 1, Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement. Ok, he's a rich man's Connor Brothers...
Just out of curiosity, how many unique Harland Millers have you seen in the flesh?
Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement. Ok, he's a rich man's Connor Brothers... Just out of curiosity, how many unique Harland Millers have you seen in the flesh? |
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Harland Miller Prints, by pollz66 on Jan 19, 2017 15:20:24 GMT 1, Ok, he's a rich man's Connor Brothers... Just out of curiosity, how many unique Harland Millers have you seen in the flesh?
I'm sure he's a talented painter, I'm just personally underwhelmed by the concept, so his execution isn't going to swing it for me. I understand his appeal. It's very easy to "get" as a piece of art, but I'd feel short-changed having one of these on my wall.
Ok, he's a rich man's Connor Brothers... Just out of curiosity, how many unique Harland Millers have you seen in the flesh? I'm sure he's a talented painter, I'm just personally underwhelmed by the concept, so his execution isn't going to swing it for me. I understand his appeal. It's very easy to "get" as a piece of art, but I'd feel short-changed having one of these on my wall. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by pklong17 on Jan 19, 2017 19:16:09 GMT 1, Just out of curiosity, how many unique Harland Millers have you seen in the flesh? I'm sure he's a talented painter, I'm just personally underwhelmed by the concept, so his execution isn't going to swing it for me. I understand his appeal. It's very easy to "get" as a piece of art, but I'd feel short-changed having one of these on my wall.
Seems the answer is none viking
Just out of curiosity, how many unique Harland Millers have you seen in the flesh? I'm sure he's a talented painter, I'm just personally underwhelmed by the concept, so his execution isn't going to swing it for me. I understand his appeal. It's very easy to "get" as a piece of art, but I'd feel short-changed having one of these on my wall. Seems the answer is none viking |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Morfx on Jan 19, 2017 20:36:19 GMT 1, I never be able to get my hands on a genuine Harland, so opted for anew brew mug off the bay of dreams... 
I never be able to get my hands on a genuine Harland, so opted for anew brew mug off the bay of dreams... |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Viking Surfer on Jan 20, 2017 0:57:02 GMT 1, I never be able to get my hands on a genuine Harland, so opted for anew brew mug off the bay of dreams...
Definitely adding one of these to the collection.
I never be able to get my hands on a genuine Harland, so opted for anew brew mug off the bay of dreams... Awesome acquisition! Definitely adding one of these to the collection. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Morfx on Jan 20, 2017 4:34:14 GMT 1, Contact the bloke before you order, I asked for the author and title... Any can be done...
Contact the bloke before you order, I asked for the author and title... Any can be done... |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Unica on Jan 20, 2017 4:46:28 GMT 1, Sorry but Harland Miller feels like a poor man's Banksy for me. Cheap puns and schoolboy wit dressed as high art. I understand the sugar-hit appeal but it irritates me. It is, to quote The Connor Brothers.... Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement.
Sorry but Harland Miller feels like a poor man's Banksy for me. Cheap puns and schoolboy wit dressed as high art. I understand the sugar-hit appeal but it irritates me. It is, to quote The Connor Brothers.... Poor man's banksy? Banksy is a strong conceptual artist, but HM would paint him under the table. And quoting the connor brothers, the ultimate art scammers, doesn't help your arguement. I saw this Banksy painting at the Modern in Fort Worth last week. It was probably 5ft by 8ft in size and impressive. IMO he certainly can paint, i'm in no position to decide who is the better painter but thought people would enjoy seeing this. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by mash on Jan 21, 2017 10:39:45 GMT 1,
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Harland Miller Prints, by larryforsyth on Jan 26, 2017 14:15:27 GMT 1, That was a really interesting read - thanks.
For those who have followed Harland for a lot longer than I have - would you think a new print release this year is likely?
That was a really interesting read - thanks.
For those who have followed Harland for a lot longer than I have - would you think a new print release this year is likely?
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Harland Miller Prints, by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 0:07:25 GMT 1, A gorgeous HF example of "Who Cares Wins" (Not mine)
A gorgeous HF example of "Who Cares Wins" (Not mine) |
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Harland Miller Prints, by rosac on Jan 29, 2017 7:50:28 GMT 1, A gorgeous HF example of "Who Cares Wins" (Not mine)
Where did you see this?
A gorgeous HF example of "Who Cares Wins" (Not mine) Where did you see this? |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Viking Surfer on Jan 30, 2017 1:54:18 GMT 1, FYI, I'm not sure how many of these are about, but it seems that a lot of these new 'hand finished works' are hand finished giclees, wheras the original edition and hand finished works were screen prints.
Buyers don't be fooled with a gallery offering a hand finished harland miller that's a giclee. These are often described as 'working AP prints'. It's no where near the same calibre as an actual screen print in my opinion.
I was recently offered a 'rare hand finished AP' here from a member / new gallery, which ended up being a giclee. They were asking the same prices as the original hand finished screen prints from that particular popular series.
Some works were actually released as a giclee or inkjet edition, just double check this first before buying a hand finished work.
FYI, I'm not sure how many of these are about, but it seems that a lot of these new 'hand finished works' are hand finished giclees, wheras the original edition and hand finished works were screen prints.
Buyers don't be fooled with a gallery offering a hand finished harland miller that's a giclee. These are often described as 'working AP prints'. It's no where near the same calibre as an actual screen print in my opinion.
I was recently offered a 'rare hand finished AP' here from a member / new gallery, which ended up being a giclee. They were asking the same prices as the original hand finished screen prints from that particular popular series.
Some works were actually released as a giclee or inkjet edition, just double check this first before buying a hand finished work.
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Harland Miller Prints, by sl on Jan 30, 2017 2:04:56 GMT 1, Not sure about how it used to be on the forum, as recently discussed, but it is info just like this that is invaluable to those new to art as well as seasoned collectors. Thanks vikingsurfer
Not sure about how it used to be on the forum, as recently discussed, but it is info just like this that is invaluable to those new to art as well as seasoned collectors. Thanks vikingsurfer
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Harland Miller Prints, by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 2:13:59 GMT 1, Interesting Viking Surfer,Looking at the details of the "Who Cares Wins" I posted I see it is in fact a hand finished Giclee. The original edition of 50 was Screen Printed. Wonder how many were reproduced as Giclee and how / when / and to whom they were released?
Interesting Viking Surfer,Looking at the details of the "Who Cares Wins" I posted I see it is in fact a hand finished Giclee. The original edition of 50 was Screen Printed. Wonder how many were reproduced as Giclee and how / when / and to whom they were released? |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Gangsta Nola on Jan 30, 2017 22:39:04 GMT 1, Many thanks for the info Vikingsurfer. For those less knowledgeable like myself, this kind of info is invaluable. I emailed Artnet for more info, it will be interesting to see what comes back.
Many thanks again.
Many thanks for the info Vikingsurfer. For those less knowledgeable like myself, this kind of info is invaluable. I emailed Artnet for more info, it will be interesting to see what comes back.
Many thanks again.
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Harland Miller Prints, by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 22:58:00 GMT 1, Giclee or not giclee, that is the question....
Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is
If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own.
Giclee or not giclee, that is the question.... Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 1:51:13 GMT 1, Giclee or not giclee, that is the question.... Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own.
Nothing at all wrong with Giclee prints. They can look great but they feel like less effort went in to producing them to me. (Yours is gorgeous btw)
The reason they look so great is because it is essentially a inkjet printed digital photograph of an actual painting. The only real detail lost is the texture and most if not all of the original colors come though.
A screen print gives more of a hand made look and feel that to me is a little closer to the artwork itself. Likely because they are in fact hand made.
The question would be if you have a choice between a Giclee or Screen print of a HM work which would you choose? Personally I would prefer a screen print if it were an option.
Giclee or not giclee, that is the question.... Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own. Nothing at all wrong with Giclee prints. They can look great but they feel like less effort went in to producing them to me. (Yours is gorgeous btw) The reason they look so great is because it is essentially a inkjet printed digital photograph of an actual painting. The only real detail lost is the texture and most if not all of the original colors come though. A screen print gives more of a hand made look and feel that to me is a little closer to the artwork itself. Likely because they are in fact hand made. The question would be if you have a choice between a Giclee or Screen print of a HM work which would you choose? Personally I would prefer a screen print if it were an option. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Viking Surfer on Jan 31, 2017 2:08:58 GMT 1, Giclee or not giclee, that is the question.... Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own.
Wasn't the Liberty print an off-set Lithograph?
The Lithograph is a very different process (an incredible one I might add and the original method really revolutionised by Chagall).
Giclee literally comes from the french 'to squirt' and is created using high quality ink jet printers.
Giclee or not giclee, that is the question.... Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own. Wasn't the Liberty print an off-set Lithograph? The Lithograph is a very different process (an incredible one I might add and the original method really revolutionised by Chagall). Giclee literally comes from the french 'to squirt' and is created using high quality ink jet printers. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 2:51:57 GMT 1, Giclee or not giclee, that is the question.... Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own. Wasn't the Liberty print an off-set Lithograph? The Lithograph is a very different process (an incredible one I might add and the original method really revolutionised by Chagall). Giclee literally comes from the french 'to squirt' and is created using high quality ink jet printers.
I think your right, im sure this is what Gunny said in another thread when someone said this print was a giclee.
Giclee or not giclee, that is the question.... Anyhow the Who Dares Wins that i dared to win in the recent Liberty raffle has a quality that I've not seen in any of the other prints i own. Whether thats because its a giclee and not a screen print imfuckedifiknow or care as its pleasing on the eye which is the reason its hanging on my wall regardless of what it is If i recall well someone posted a link to a video on the making of the Liberty print / giclee or whatever it is. Im not sure how it was produced but the quality of it wipes the arse of every other print i own. Wasn't the Liberty print an off-set Lithograph? The Lithograph is a very different process (an incredible one I might add and the original method really revolutionised by Chagall). Giclee literally comes from the french 'to squirt' and is created using high quality ink jet printers. I think your right, im sure this is what Gunny said in another thread when someone said this print was a giclee. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by mash on Feb 1, 2017 12:17:35 GMT 1, FYI, I'm not sure how many of these are about, but it seems that a lot of these new 'hand finished works' are hand finished giclees, wheras the original edition and hand finished works were screen prints. Buyers don't be fooled with a gallery offering a hand finished harland miller that's a giclee. These are often described as 'working AP prints'. It's no where near the same calibre as an actual screen print in my opinion. I was recently offered a 'rare hand finished AP' here from a member / new gallery, which ended up being a giclee. They were asking the same prices as the original hand finished screen prints from that particular popular series. Some works were actually released as a giclee or inkjet edition, just double check this first before buying a hand finished work.
FYI, I'm not sure how many of these are about, but it seems that a lot of these new 'hand finished works' are hand finished giclees, wheras the original edition and hand finished works were screen prints. Buyers don't be fooled with a gallery offering a hand finished harland miller that's a giclee. These are often described as 'working AP prints'. It's no where near the same calibre as an actual screen print in my opinion. I was recently offered a 'rare hand finished AP' here from a member / new gallery, which ended up being a giclee. They were asking the same prices as the original hand finished screen prints from that particular popular series. Some works were actually released as a giclee or inkjet edition, just double check this first before buying a hand finished work. Great info, ty Viking. Is a silkscreen the same as a screen print? I see it used almoskr interchangeably? |
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Harland Miller Prints, by nmeadcci on Feb 1, 2017 13:52:37 GMT 1, I (politely) can't agree with you on this issue. Some of the Giclee hand finished prints are heavily worked on in acrylic and oil by HM. When seen in reality they are very painterly and tactile. This is the case with the 'Who Cares Wins' that you have shared with us. It is a unique, quality work which, in my view, is excellent value compared to canvas works that now sell for ยฃ50,000 to ยฃ120,000 (and rising due to massive demand!!) depending on size and motif / statement.
I (politely) can't agree with you on this issue. Some of the Giclee hand finished prints are heavily worked on in acrylic and oil by HM. When seen in reality they are very painterly and tactile. This is the case with the 'Who Cares Wins' that you have shared with us. It is a unique, quality work which, in my view, is excellent value compared to canvas works that now sell for ยฃ50,000 to ยฃ120,000 (and rising due to massive demand!!) depending on size and motif / statement.
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Harland Miller Prints, by agu on Feb 1, 2017 18:06:09 GMT 1, I (politely) can't agree with you on this issue. Some of the Giclee hand finished prints are heavily worked on in acrylic and oil by HM. When seen in reality they are very painterly and tactile. This is the case with the 'Who Cares Wins' that you have shared with us. It is a unique, quality work which, in my view, is excellent value compared to canvas works that now sell for ยฃ50,000 to ยฃ120,000 (and rising due to massive demand!!) depending on size and motif / statement.
They are two completely different processes. Giclee is essentially a high res ink jet printer, while screen printing is a much more ancient process where the inks squeezed through a fine mesh with masks to prevent it going where it is not supposed to. You need to do a screen for each colour and the paint will overlay the paint layed down before it so the order and precision of screen positioning is very important. Though screen printing can be to a some extent it it is much more manual than a giclee.
I (politely) can't agree with you on this issue. Some of the Giclee hand finished prints are heavily worked on in acrylic and oil by HM. When seen in reality they are very painterly and tactile. This is the case with the 'Who Cares Wins' that you have shared with us. It is a unique, quality work which, in my view, is excellent value compared to canvas works that now sell for ยฃ50,000 to ยฃ120,000 (and rising due to massive demand!!) depending on size and motif / statement. They are two completely different processes. Giclee is essentially a high res ink jet printer, while screen printing is a much more ancient process where the inks squeezed through a fine mesh with masks to prevent it going where it is not supposed to. You need to do a screen for each colour and the paint will overlay the paint layed down before it so the order and precision of screen positioning is very important. Though screen printing can be to a some extent it it is much more manual than a giclee. |
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Harland Miller Prints, by Viking Surfer on Feb 2, 2017 3:27:03 GMT 1, I (politely) can't agree with you on this issue. Some of the Giclee hand finished prints are heavily worked on in acrylic and oil by HM. When seen in reality they are very painterly and tactile. This is the case with the 'Who Cares Wins' that you have shared with us. It is a unique, quality work which, in my view, is excellent value compared to canvas works that now sell for ยฃ50,000 to ยฃ120,000 (and rising due to massive demand!!) depending on size and motif / statement.
Welcome to the forum.
I'm not saying the prints are terrible, Harland's hand finished works are lovely.
If you're asking do I feel the giclรฉe is inferior to the stunning screen prints he produces, then yes, that is what I am saying. Would I chose a hand finished screen print over a hand finished giclรฉe? Every day of the week.
My point was that these hand finished giclรฉes seem to have popped up more frequently recently, when in most cases the original edition and hand finished works were not giclรฉes. Buyers need to be aware as to the difference between these works (an inkjet print, compared with a highly skilled - often hand pulled - screen print process, which involves many layers, skill and time) and I do not feel a hand finished giclรฉe commands the same price point to their hand finished screen print counterparts.
I (politely) can't agree with you on this issue. Some of the Giclee hand finished prints are heavily worked on in acrylic and oil by HM. When seen in reality they are very painterly and tactile. This is the case with the 'Who Cares Wins' that you have shared with us. It is a unique, quality work which, in my view, is excellent value compared to canvas works that now sell for ยฃ50,000 to ยฃ120,000 (and rising due to massive demand!!) depending on size and motif / statement. Welcome to the forum. I'm not saying the prints are terrible, Harland's hand finished works are lovely. If you're asking do I feel the giclรฉe is inferior to the stunning screen prints he produces, then yes, that is what I am saying. Would I chose a hand finished screen print over a hand finished giclรฉe? Every day of the week. My point was that these hand finished giclรฉes seem to have popped up more frequently recently, when in most cases the original edition and hand finished works were not giclรฉes. Buyers need to be aware as to the difference between these works (an inkjet print, compared with a highly skilled - often hand pulled - screen print process, which involves many layers, skill and time) and I do not feel a hand finished giclรฉe commands the same price point to their hand finished screen print counterparts. |
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