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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Poster Bob on Feb 3, 2017 15:42:13 GMT 1, Did Picasso post on instagram bitches and ni**ers ? Or snort the white stuff and insult people. I always thought Picasso was an asshole regarding his attitude to some women in his life. It's not about Picasso as Picasso is not here now. It's about today and our attitude today. saying well what about Picasso could be seen as an excuse to ignore behaviour as long as one can invest in and make money from some who do not behave properly. Trump is president thats true and how about Saudi or other nations leaders who treat women far worse? Any protest art with their faces on the art being flipped on here? I have no idea where your train of thought is going. Comparing apples with oranges. This isn't a "Who's the biggest arsehole?" competition. Try to understand that people react to things that effect them, like Trump does. Saudis aren't on their immediate radar, but that doesn't mean people don't have an opinion. In the same way, whether an artist is living or dead seems to effect our reaction to their past actions. People give their money to see Picasso work, or pay millions for it, despite him beating women (once nearly to death apparently)... but you don't think that compares to Retna's drunken instagram rants?
Did Picasso post on instagram bitches and ni**ers ? Or snort the white stuff and insult people. I always thought Picasso was an asshole regarding his attitude to some women in his life. It's not about Picasso as Picasso is not here now. It's about today and our attitude today. saying well what about Picasso could be seen as an excuse to ignore behaviour as long as one can invest in and make money from some who do not behave properly. Trump is president thats true and how about Saudi or other nations leaders who treat women far worse? Any protest art with their faces on the art being flipped on here? I have no idea where your train of thought is going. Comparing apples with oranges. This isn't a "Who's the biggest arsehole?" competition. Try to understand that people react to things that effect them, like Trump does. Saudis aren't on their immediate radar, but that doesn't mean people don't have an opinion. In the same way, whether an artist is living or dead seems to effect our reaction to their past actions. People give their money to see Picasso work, or pay millions for it, despite him beating women (once nearly to death apparently)... but you don't think that compares to Retna's drunken instagram rants? Picasso was born in 1881 and Retna in 1979. You are openly choosing to ignore the time periods in which one lived and the other is living and the vastly different cultural mores of those time periods. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by daveart on Feb 3, 2017 15:52:25 GMT 1, wow. this thread took a crazy turn here. crashed servers, botched launch, no communication on price, hmm. well anyway, i guess anyone that wants one gets one on this drop.
maybe you guys could move on to discussing Russia's recent moves to decriminalize domestic assault. that would solve the time period problem.....
for a few of those still interested in the art. Some of them are more easily 'read' than others. find a good image of the Louis Vuitton Scarf. With a little squinting and creativity I have convinced myself it says - not surprisingly - "Louis Vuitton" across the the top.. as another posted noted.. not all letters are on the same line.. not all letter are clearly represented. etc. There are a few others that I think can be read this way.. but always helps to be told or know what you are looking for.
wow. this thread took a crazy turn here. crashed servers, botched launch, no communication on price, hmm. well anyway, i guess anyone that wants one gets one on this drop.
maybe you guys could move on to discussing Russia's recent moves to decriminalize domestic assault. that would solve the time period problem.....
for a few of those still interested in the art. Some of them are more easily 'read' than others. find a good image of the Louis Vuitton Scarf. With a little squinting and creativity I have convinced myself it says - not surprisingly - "Louis Vuitton" across the the top.. as another posted noted.. not all letters are on the same line.. not all letter are clearly represented. etc. There are a few others that I think can be read this way.. but always helps to be told or know what you are looking for.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Happy Shopper on Feb 3, 2017 15:52:40 GMT 1, I have no idea where your train of thought is going. Comparing apples with oranges. This isn't a "Who's the biggest arsehole?" competition. Try to understand that people react to things that effect them, like Trump does. Saudis aren't on their immediate radar, but that doesn't mean people don't have an opinion. In the same way, whether an artist is living or dead seems to effect our reaction to their past actions. People give their money to see Picasso work, or pay millions for it, despite him beating women (once nearly to death apparently)... but you don't think that compares to Retna's drunken instagram rants? Picasso was born in 1881 and Retna in 1979. You are openly choosing to ignore the time periods in which one lived and the other is living and the vastly different cultural mores of those time periods.
I'm not choosing to ignore the time difference... It just makes no difference.
It wasn't OK to beat women back then or now.
This is going off on a bit of a tangent though... my point was, Trump vs Retna isn't comparable in terms of moral outrage. Retna isn't allowed access to the nuclear buttons, so his mental state is less important to most people.
I have no idea where your train of thought is going. Comparing apples with oranges. This isn't a "Who's the biggest arsehole?" competition. Try to understand that people react to things that effect them, like Trump does. Saudis aren't on their immediate radar, but that doesn't mean people don't have an opinion. In the same way, whether an artist is living or dead seems to effect our reaction to their past actions. People give their money to see Picasso work, or pay millions for it, despite him beating women (once nearly to death apparently)... but you don't think that compares to Retna's drunken instagram rants? Picasso was born in 1881 and Retna in 1979. You are openly choosing to ignore the time periods in which one lived and the other is living and the vastly different cultural mores of those time periods. I'm not choosing to ignore the time difference... It just makes no difference. It wasn't OK to beat women back then or now. This is going off on a bit of a tangent though... my point was, Trump vs Retna isn't comparable in terms of moral outrage. Retna isn't allowed access to the nuclear buttons, so his mental state is less important to most people. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Poster Bob on Feb 3, 2017 16:22:22 GMT 1, Picasso was born in 1881 and Retna in 1979. You are openly choosing to ignore the time periods in which one lived and the other is living and the vastly different cultural mores of those time periods. I'm not choosing to ignore the time difference... It just makes no difference. It wasn't OK to beat women back then or now. This is going off on a bit of a tangent though... my point was, Trump vs Retna isn't comparable in terms of moral outrage. Retna isn't allowed access to the nuclear buttons, so his mental state is less important to most people.
Picasso was born in 1881 and Retna in 1979. You are openly choosing to ignore the time periods in which one lived and the other is living and the vastly different cultural mores of those time periods. I'm not choosing to ignore the time difference... It just makes no difference. It wasn't OK to beat women back then or now. This is going off on a bit of a tangent though... my point was, Trump vs Retna isn't comparable in terms of moral outrage. Retna isn't allowed access to the nuclear buttons, so his mental state is less important to most people. Yes you are and yet it does. It was fine to beat a woman back then and it is no longer culturally accepted. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Happy Shopper on Feb 3, 2017 16:31:13 GMT 1, I'll just leave that there... Haha.
I'll just leave that there... Haha.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by sin on Feb 3, 2017 19:18:02 GMT 1, Yeah, Jesus this went sideways.
To answer the prior question as it relates to this specific piece (and to do a little expansion into issues like artists behavior impacting the willingness to collect work).
I personally buy Retna as an investment. There are a small handful of artists who I have that as part of my calculus. Usually because the cost is so high that it warrants some financial consideration. When you have a purchase you can make that is likely to hold value or rise, its cash into cash for me, and a non dollar based asset. Of my entire collection of hundreds of works, I have maybe 10 pieces that fall into this category.
Os Gemeos
Retna
Invader
Shepard Fairey
(i am somewhat priced out of the Banksy market, in that work I actually want are above my reach... for now)
So, I bought these, I will frame them and hang them in my corporate office. (i have a few pieces I keep here because they give the place a classy look). Maybe when my daughter gets married (10 years hopefully) they will be movable and offset some of that cost.
Are these my favorite Retna pieces, no. Do i hate glitter, yes.
Are they hangable Retna pieces, yes.
Now, down to Retna, or artists and their behavior in general as a concern when buying work.
1. when buying for investment. i care less. im certain other of my investment dollars go to horrible people that do stupid shit.
2. if piccasso had IG im sure we would all have vile opinions about him.
3. I think Retna's abuse of women is disgusting, his general bravado is embarrassing, he will just as likely end up broken and living on skid row as he will retiring in the south of france.
4. there are artists in my collection whose personal behavior, or politics (to touch on the other point in this thread) that I dont agree with. in certain cases that does impact my desire to collect their work, and in other cases it doesnt.
Yeah, Jesus this went sideways.
To answer the prior question as it relates to this specific piece (and to do a little expansion into issues like artists behavior impacting the willingness to collect work).
I personally buy Retna as an investment. There are a small handful of artists who I have that as part of my calculus. Usually because the cost is so high that it warrants some financial consideration. When you have a purchase you can make that is likely to hold value or rise, its cash into cash for me, and a non dollar based asset. Of my entire collection of hundreds of works, I have maybe 10 pieces that fall into this category.
Os Gemeos
Retna
Invader
Shepard Fairey
(i am somewhat priced out of the Banksy market, in that work I actually want are above my reach... for now)
So, I bought these, I will frame them and hang them in my corporate office. (i have a few pieces I keep here because they give the place a classy look). Maybe when my daughter gets married (10 years hopefully) they will be movable and offset some of that cost.
Are these my favorite Retna pieces, no. Do i hate glitter, yes.
Are they hangable Retna pieces, yes.
Now, down to Retna, or artists and their behavior in general as a concern when buying work.
1. when buying for investment. i care less. im certain other of my investment dollars go to horrible people that do stupid shit.
2. if piccasso had IG im sure we would all have vile opinions about him.
3. I think Retna's abuse of women is disgusting, his general bravado is embarrassing, he will just as likely end up broken and living on skid row as he will retiring in the south of france.
4. there are artists in my collection whose personal behavior, or politics (to touch on the other point in this thread) that I dont agree with. in certain cases that does impact my desire to collect their work, and in other cases it doesnt.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by sin on Feb 3, 2017 19:28:25 GMT 1, from an investment perspective.
an artist that has money behind him with a wide collector base that also has money behind him is a good financial bet, if one is making a financial bet. the fact that he has shown and sold out in all the big spots, and has institutional representation, means its likely to hold on. so if you are wondering if spending $10K today was a good bet, it was, was it as good as the Braddock Print (which i got 3 of and gave 2 away) or the Provocaters print? No. Will it likely be worth much more than I spent on it in 5,10,20? yes.
from an art perspective (removing the behavior, just dealing with the art)
from a historical perspective, visual language perspective, translation from street to gallery, Retna is important, will be part of academic study, he pulls the graffiti discussion into the gallery and his caligraphies connection to culture expands that discussion into historic forms of muralism. some of retna's works are hard to argue with as being powerful in their visual impact. i personally enjoy earlier work, the writing over photographs, etc, but in general i always find the caligraphy visually interesting and desiphering it is also enjoyable.
from his behavior, bravado and that impact on his art
the artist clearly takes away from the work.
its the unfortunate outcome of someone coming from a world where this type of behavior and approach to conflict is a reality, then you amplify that with money and fame.
he will either 1, grow up at some point, become mature and have a long career where he beds 20 years olds well into his 80's.... or he will perish due to his lifestyle an be a tragic tale.
from an investment perspective.
an artist that has money behind him with a wide collector base that also has money behind him is a good financial bet, if one is making a financial bet. the fact that he has shown and sold out in all the big spots, and has institutional representation, means its likely to hold on. so if you are wondering if spending $10K today was a good bet, it was, was it as good as the Braddock Print (which i got 3 of and gave 2 away) or the Provocaters print? No. Will it likely be worth much more than I spent on it in 5,10,20? yes.
from an art perspective (removing the behavior, just dealing with the art)
from a historical perspective, visual language perspective, translation from street to gallery, Retna is important, will be part of academic study, he pulls the graffiti discussion into the gallery and his caligraphies connection to culture expands that discussion into historic forms of muralism. some of retna's works are hard to argue with as being powerful in their visual impact. i personally enjoy earlier work, the writing over photographs, etc, but in general i always find the caligraphy visually interesting and desiphering it is also enjoyable.
from his behavior, bravado and that impact on his art
the artist clearly takes away from the work.
its the unfortunate outcome of someone coming from a world where this type of behavior and approach to conflict is a reality, then you amplify that with money and fame.
he will either 1, grow up at some point, become mature and have a long career where he beds 20 years olds well into his 80's.... or he will perish due to his lifestyle an be a tragic tale.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by sin on Feb 3, 2017 21:00:57 GMT 1, can i not escape the political vitriol here? jesus H christ.
can i not escape the political vitriol here? jesus H christ.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by nighthawk on Feb 3, 2017 21:47:55 GMT 1, sin, I wish you'd post more often. That's by far the best comments posted in this thread to-date. Thank you 
sin, I wish you'd post more often. That's by far the best comments posted in this thread to-date. Thank you
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by nex on Feb 3, 2017 21:51:27 GMT 1, from an investment perspective. an artist that has money behind him with a wide collector base that also has money behind him is a good financial bet, if one is making a financial bet. the fact that he has shown and sold out in all the big spots, and has institutional representation, means its likely to hold on. so if you are wondering if spending $10K today was a good bet, it was, was it as good as the Braddock Print (which i got 3 of and gave 2 away) or the Provocaters print? No. Will it likely be worth much more than I spent on it in 5,10,20? yes. from an art perspective (removing the behavior, just dealing with the art) from a historical perspective, visual language perspective, translation from street to gallery, Retna is important, will be part of academic study, he pulls the graffiti discussion into the gallery and his caligraphies connection to culture expands that discussion into historic forms of muralism. some of retna's works are hard to argue with as being powerful in their visual impact. i personally enjoy earlier work, the writing over photographs, etc, but in general i always find the caligraphy visually interesting and desiphering it is also enjoyable. from his behavior, bravado and that impact on his art the artist clearly takes away from the work. its the unfortunate outcome of someone coming from a world where this type of behavior and approach to conflict is a reality, then you amplify that with money and fame. he will either 1, grow up at some point, become mature and have a long career where he beds 20 years olds well into his 80's.... or he will perish due to his lifestyle an be a tragic tale.
I applaud your honesty if not your ethics that are seemingly easily trumped by the mighty dollar
from an investment perspective. an artist that has money behind him with a wide collector base that also has money behind him is a good financial bet, if one is making a financial bet. the fact that he has shown and sold out in all the big spots, and has institutional representation, means its likely to hold on. so if you are wondering if spending $10K today was a good bet, it was, was it as good as the Braddock Print (which i got 3 of and gave 2 away) or the Provocaters print? No. Will it likely be worth much more than I spent on it in 5,10,20? yes. from an art perspective (removing the behavior, just dealing with the art) from a historical perspective, visual language perspective, translation from street to gallery, Retna is important, will be part of academic study, he pulls the graffiti discussion into the gallery and his caligraphies connection to culture expands that discussion into historic forms of muralism. some of retna's works are hard to argue with as being powerful in their visual impact. i personally enjoy earlier work, the writing over photographs, etc, but in general i always find the caligraphy visually interesting and desiphering it is also enjoyable. from his behavior, bravado and that impact on his art the artist clearly takes away from the work. its the unfortunate outcome of someone coming from a world where this type of behavior and approach to conflict is a reality, then you amplify that with money and fame. he will either 1, grow up at some point, become mature and have a long career where he beds 20 years olds well into his 80's.... or he will perish due to his lifestyle an be a tragic tale. I applaud your honesty if not your ethics that are seemingly easily trumped by the mighty dollar |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by sin on Feb 3, 2017 23:32:43 GMT 1, from an investment perspective. an artist that has money behind him with a wide collector base that also has money behind him is a good financial bet, if one is making a financial bet. the fact that he has shown and sold out in all the big spots, and has institutional representation, means its likely to hold on. so if you are wondering if spending $10K today was a good bet, it was, was it as good as the Braddock Print (which i got 3 of and gave 2 away) or the Provocaters print? No. Will it likely be worth much more than I spent on it in 5,10,20? yes. from an art perspective (removing the behavior, just dealing with the art) from a historical perspective, visual language perspective, translation from street to gallery, Retna is important, will be part of academic study, he pulls the graffiti discussion into the gallery and his caligraphies connection to culture expands that discussion into historic forms of muralism. some of retna's works are hard to argue with as being powerful in their visual impact. i personally enjoy earlier work, the writing over photographs, etc, but in general i always find the caligraphy visually interesting and desiphering it is also enjoyable. from his behavior, bravado and that impact on his art the artist clearly takes away from the work. its the unfortunate outcome of someone coming from a world where this type of behavior and approach to conflict is a reality, then you amplify that with money and fame. he will either 1, grow up at some point, become mature and have a long career where he beds 20 years olds well into his 80's.... or he will perish due to his lifestyle an be a tragic tale. I applaud your honesty if not your ethics that are seemingly easily trumped by the mighty dollar
from an investment perspective. an artist that has money behind him with a wide collector base that also has money behind him is a good financial bet, if one is making a financial bet. the fact that he has shown and sold out in all the big spots, and has institutional representation, means its likely to hold on. so if you are wondering if spending $10K today was a good bet, it was, was it as good as the Braddock Print (which i got 3 of and gave 2 away) or the Provocaters print? No. Will it likely be worth much more than I spent on it in 5,10,20? yes. from an art perspective (removing the behavior, just dealing with the art) from a historical perspective, visual language perspective, translation from street to gallery, Retna is important, will be part of academic study, he pulls the graffiti discussion into the gallery and his caligraphies connection to culture expands that discussion into historic forms of muralism. some of retna's works are hard to argue with as being powerful in their visual impact. i personally enjoy earlier work, the writing over photographs, etc, but in general i always find the caligraphy visually interesting and desiphering it is also enjoyable. from his behavior, bravado and that impact on his art the artist clearly takes away from the work. its the unfortunate outcome of someone coming from a world where this type of behavior and approach to conflict is a reality, then you amplify that with money and fame. he will either 1, grow up at some point, become mature and have a long career where he beds 20 years olds well into his 80's.... or he will perish due to his lifestyle an be a tragic tale. I applaud your honesty if not your ethics that are seemingly easily trumped by the mighty dollar well that was a right handed insult. hows that working for you? being a dick? |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by daveart on Feb 3, 2017 23:41:09 GMT 1, Sin - going to just have to let these guys have at it - thank you for the good post.. - dont see why anyone would question a persons ethics or morals over buying a piece of art. i suppose some people just want to know if your tuna is dolphin free, your diamond is conflict free, your car is a prius, your wood floors are sustainable, your juice is sugar free, you take all your corporate logos out of your house because they are destroying the planetc, etc, etc, etc.. anyway, people had better be pretty pure as an angel to be casting about words like ethics and morals over a piece of paper on your wall..
Sin - going to just have to let these guys have at it - thank you for the good post.. - dont see why anyone would question a persons ethics or morals over buying a piece of art. i suppose some people just want to know if your tuna is dolphin free, your diamond is conflict free, your car is a prius, your wood floors are sustainable, your juice is sugar free, you take all your corporate logos out of your house because they are destroying the planetc, etc, etc, etc.. anyway, people had better be pretty pure as an angel to be casting about words like ethics and morals over a piece of paper on your wall..
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 23:42:10 GMT 1, The debate on this is incredible! Would the debate still exist if each print was £500? No! Sorry guys but artists are floored. Film, music, paint. I buy the art not the person. £4000 per retna print is cheap compared to the secondry market. The hating is pathetic based on I want it but can't have it. Get over yourselves. I bought it cause i think these prints are epic. These pics do the print no justice.
The debate on this is incredible! Would the debate still exist if each print was £500? No! Sorry guys but artists are floored. Film, music, paint. I buy the art not the person. £4000 per retna print is cheap compared to the secondry market. The hating is pathetic based on I want it but can't have it. Get over yourselves. I bought it cause i think these prints are epic. These pics do the print no justice.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Coach on Feb 3, 2017 23:45:04 GMT 1, The debate on this is incredible! Would the debate still exist if each print was £500? No! Sorry guys but artists are floored. Film, music, paint. I buy the art not the person. £4000 per retna print is cheap compared to the secondry market. The hating is pathetic based on I want it but can't have it. Get over yourselves. I bought it cause i think these prints are epic. These pics do the print no justice.
Has it not occurred to you that not everyone has the same moral code as you?
The debate on this is incredible! Would the debate still exist if each print was £500? No! Sorry guys but artists are floored. Film, music, paint. I buy the art not the person. £4000 per retna print is cheap compared to the secondry market. The hating is pathetic based on I want it but can't have it. Get over yourselves. I bought it cause i think these prints are epic. These pics do the print no justice. Has it not occurred to you that not everyone has the same moral code as you? |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by dreadnatty on Feb 3, 2017 23:45:35 GMT 1, And people wonder why people leave this place/dont post much anymore.🙄
And people wonder why people leave this place/dont post much anymore.🙄
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 23:46:40 GMT 1, Moral fucking code? Get a grip dick head! It's fucking art not childcare.
Moral fucking code? Get a grip dick head! It's fucking art not childcare.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 23:47:19 GMT 1, Cause you want to buy big art for little money mate.. stop crying
Cause you want to buy big art for little money mate.. stop crying
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Coach on Feb 3, 2017 23:49:45 GMT 1, Cause you want to buy big art for little money mate.. stop crying
Crying?
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 23:51:23 GMT 1, It's a massive yawn. Love it and buy it , hate it and don't buy it. You lot are only interested in the price...
It's a massive yawn. Love it and buy it , hate it and don't buy it. You lot are only interested in the price...
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Coach on Feb 3, 2017 23:53:08 GMT 1, It's a massive yawn. Love it and buy it , hate it and don't buy it. You lot are only interested in the price...
I couldn't care less about the price.
The price only becomes relevant when it's art that I want to buy.
It's a massive yawn. Love it and buy it , hate it and don't buy it. You lot are only interested in the price... I couldn't care less about the price. The price only becomes relevant when it's art that I want to buy. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Coach on Feb 3, 2017 23:54:19 GMT 1, Moral f**kingcode? Get a grip dick head! It's f**kingart not childcare.
I've been called worse.
Moral f**kingcode? Get a grip dick head! It's f**kingart not childcare. I've been called worse. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 23:54:52 GMT 1, And yet this art you don't want to buy is relevant enough to comment on. If you don't like it and would never buy it why comment?
And yet this art you don't want to buy is relevant enough to comment on. If you don't like it and would never buy it why comment?
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by sin on Feb 3, 2017 23:55:40 GMT 1, It's fine to have a discussion about the topic. I discussed it in detail. Insulting people is sort of shitty.
Like most things there is nuance. Im sure many of us (or our parents) own a Michael Jackson record (or two) and it's not like we are all ok with him being a kid diddler. I don't like Retna, or his bravado, but I think you (purists) would be rather stunned by how prevasive behavior is like that in this community. Parts of this world arent trust fund kids that got art degrees, part of this world are guys who grew up around violence, and lots of it, and it comes with all the trappings of that reality. Pollack was a wife beating, alcoholic, anti-Semite... and if you brought me a painting by him that I could afford... id buy thats**t faster than you could say Sig Heil.
Enjoy your life guys, you must be a blast at parties.
Back to making paper and creating the life I imagined...
It's fine to have a discussion about the topic. I discussed it in detail. Insulting people is sort of shitty.
Like most things there is nuance. Im sure many of us (or our parents) own a Michael Jackson record (or two) and it's not like we are all ok with him being a kid diddler. I don't like Retna, or his bravado, but I think you (purists) would be rather stunned by how prevasive behavior is like that in this community. Parts of this world arent trust fund kids that got art degrees, part of this world are guys who grew up around violence, and lots of it, and it comes with all the trappings of that reality. Pollack was a wife beating, alcoholic, anti-Semite... and if you brought me a painting by him that I could afford... id buy thats**t faster than you could say Sig Heil.
Enjoy your life guys, you must be a blast at parties.
Back to making paper and creating the life I imagined...
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 23:56:39 GMT 1, Sin = knowledge
Sin = knowledge
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Coach on Feb 3, 2017 23:59:34 GMT 1, And yet this art you don't want to buy is relevant enough to comment on. If you don't like it and would never buy it why comment?
Because I disagreed with most of what you were saying. And this is a forum, for members to discuss art.
Only you resorted to personal insults.
And yet this art you don't want to buy is relevant enough to comment on. If you don't like it and would never buy it why comment? Because I disagreed with most of what you were saying. And this is a forum, for members to discuss art. Only you resorted to personal insults. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by South Bound on Feb 4, 2017 1:21:55 GMT 1, And people wonder why people leave this place/dont post much anymore.🙄
Its a shame, some of my favorite forum members have chosen to disappear and this forum has suffered as a result.
Good to see you're still around Dread you were a little disenchanted with the forum a while back, I thoroughly enjoyed your Henry Chalfant photos from the firestone exhibit.
And people wonder why people leave this place/dont post much anymore.🙄 Its a shame, some of my favorite forum members have chosen to disappear and this forum has suffered as a result. Good to see you're still around Dread you were a little disenchanted with the forum a while back, I thoroughly enjoyed your Henry Chalfant photos from the firestone exhibit. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by sin on Feb 4, 2017 1:23:34 GMT 1, You are applying my statement about 10 pieces out of my collection of 300 or so pieces to my entire approach towards art.
I've not been around for a while but I presume someone around here remembers me, and knows that I collect with a passion that has nothing to to about money. 10 pieces that I picked up becuase as someone who knows art I can spot a good investment and would be stupid to not leverage that knowledge.
You are applying my statement about 10 pieces out of my collection of 300 or so pieces to my entire approach towards art.
I've not been around for a while but I presume someone around here remembers me, and knows that I collect with a passion that has nothing to to about money. 10 pieces that I picked up becuase as someone who knows art I can spot a good investment and would be stupid to not leverage that knowledge.
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 2:04:52 GMT 1, Picasso was born in 1881 and Retna in 1979. You are openly choosing to ignore the time periods in which one lived and the other is living and the vastly different cultural mores of those time periods. I'm not choosing to ignore the time difference... It just makes no difference. It wasn't OK to beat women back then or now. This is going off on a bit of a tangent though... my point was, Trump vs Retna isn't comparable in terms of moral outrage. Retna isn't allowed access to the nuclear buttons, so his mental state is less important to most people.
I don't know if Picasso ever used Red Bull. He had a dabble with heroin and got a big scare which put him off it when his friend died.
Picasso was born in 1881 and Retna in 1979. You are openly choosing to ignore the time periods in which one lived and the other is living and the vastly different cultural mores of those time periods. I'm not choosing to ignore the time difference... It just makes no difference. It wasn't OK to beat women back then or now. This is going off on a bit of a tangent though... my point was, Trump vs Retna isn't comparable in terms of moral outrage. Retna isn't allowed access to the nuclear buttons, so his mental state is less important to most people. Picasso re Retna, to me is more a case of when people actually found out Picasso was abusive to women. I would think most buyers knew nothing of that aspect of Picasso's personality. Unlike todays buyers. Anyway it's their choice what they buy and for what reason suits. I don't know if Picasso ever used Red Bull. He had a dabble with heroin and got a big scare which put him off it when his friend died. |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 2:16:18 GMT 1, You are applying my statement about 10 pieces out of my collection of 300 or so pieces to my entire approach towards art. I've not been around for a while but I presume someone around here remembers me, and knows that I collect with a passion that has nothing to to about money. 10 pieces that I picked up becuase as someone who knows art I can spot a good investment and would be stupid to not leverage that knowledge.
In effect it's easy for a few wealthy people to get together back an artist that performs to their tune. Produces the same images over and over that can be easily recognised by potential buyer investors. Set up a few shows for the artist in question and get them a few gigs painting their signature art on whatever fashion item or metal bird is available. Feature in a glossy magazine about it. Orgabise a gallery sales team to launch the sales pitch to potential investors whose names are obtained when they wander in the gallery to look at whatever is on the walls and raise the prices amongst the wealthy group and carry on from there.
Retnas art is recognisable as it's the same basic style and stuff. Altho I think there was a street artist before Retna doing similar stuff.
The art world today moves very fast and prices pushed up very fast too compared with Picasso's day. I wonder where Retna will be in ten years from now.
Nothing wrong with having a moral attitude towards what one buys or invests in. Ignoring the moral side of business does enable one to profit more easily.
Interesting also that if Retna is such a good investment why pump his art on here. I'm not referring to you.
To me personally I think "JoneOne" is a better buy for the money today and the future long term and also "L'enfer".
You are applying my statement about 10 pieces out of my collection of 300 or so pieces to my entire approach towards art. I've not been around for a while but I presume someone around here remembers me, and knows that I collect with a passion that has nothing to to about money. 10 pieces that I picked up becuase as someone who knows art I can spot a good investment and would be stupid to not leverage that knowledge. I respect your honesty. In effect it's easy for a few wealthy people to get together back an artist that performs to their tune. Produces the same images over and over that can be easily recognised by potential buyer investors. Set up a few shows for the artist in question and get them a few gigs painting their signature art on whatever fashion item or metal bird is available. Feature in a glossy magazine about it. Orgabise a gallery sales team to launch the sales pitch to potential investors whose names are obtained when they wander in the gallery to look at whatever is on the walls and raise the prices amongst the wealthy group and carry on from there. Retnas art is recognisable as it's the same basic style and stuff. Altho I think there was a street artist before Retna doing similar stuff. The art world today moves very fast and prices pushed up very fast too compared with Picasso's day. I wonder where Retna will be in ten years from now. Nothing wrong with having a moral attitude towards what one buys or invests in. Ignoring the moral side of business does enable one to profit more easily. Interesting also that if Retna is such a good investment why pump his art on here. I'm not referring to you. To me personally I think "JoneOne" is a better buy for the money today and the future long term and also "L'enfer". |
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Retna • Say My Name, So You Can See Me , by sin on Feb 4, 2017 2:53:36 GMT 1, Rather than dignify this with a reply, let me leave with a note to say that I'm glad I was able to enjoy this board when it was full of informed and passionate collectors who were descent people.
I've often said that I still love the art but the culture has gotten insufferable. It would seem that this has seeped into this board.
You can add me to the list of people that won't be back.
Rather than dignify this with a reply, let me leave with a note to say that I'm glad I was able to enjoy this board when it was full of informed and passionate collectors who were descent people.
I've often said that I still love the art but the culture has gotten insufferable. It would seem that this has seeped into this board.
You can add me to the list of people that won't be back.
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