Chris JL
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Dec 22, 2018 14:17:00 GMT 1, No worries. Reading back I probably should've popped a question mark on the end. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, there are individuals who think they matter more than others in the scheme of things. Theresa May for one. That's funny, I din't like her at first, but regardless of my own opinion on Brexit, I have to give her credit for trying where most would have thrown the towel. Her position is difficult, attacked from all sides. I feel sorry for her as she is only trying to solve a problem she didn't create (she was a remainer after all).
Honestly, normally I would agree with this statement. But I had to deal with her and her policies when she was Home Secretary. Based on that experience, when she became PM, I was sure she was a disaster waiting to happen: she has raised to her maximum level of incompetence.
With that being said, and despite me being undoubtably against Brexit, and in favour of a fresh vote on the options (thatโs called democracy), I do believe that she has actually obtained a pretty good deal given the constraints and the premise of Brexit itself (in any conceivable form) being an undeniably self-harming and moronic policy choice.
No worries. Reading back I probably should've popped a question mark on the end. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, there are individuals who think they matter more than others in the scheme of things. Theresa May for one. That's funny, I din't like her at first, but regardless of my own opinion on Brexit, I have to give her credit for trying where most would have thrown the towel. Her position is difficult, attacked from all sides. I feel sorry for her as she is only trying to solve a problem she didn't create (she was a remainer after all). Honestly, normally I would agree with this statement. But I had to deal with her and her policies when she was Home Secretary. Based on that experience, when she became PM, I was sure she was a disaster waiting to happen: she has raised to her maximum level of incompetence. With that being said, and despite me being undoubtably against Brexit, and in favour of a fresh vote on the options (thatโs called democracy), I do believe that she has actually obtained a pretty good deal given the constraints and the premise of Brexit itself (in any conceivable form) being an undeniably self-harming and moronic policy choice. |
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Chris JL
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Dec 22, 2018 14:42:32 GMT 1, For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you).
I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story).
My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment).
Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is.
For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you).
I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story).
My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment).
Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is.
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Dec 22, 2018 16:51:55 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Dec 22, 2018 16:51:55 GMT 1, For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you). I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story). My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment). Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is. Great to read that, thanks for sharing Chris.
Not so great, however, is the plan to apply a minimum salary threshold of ยฃ30k-a-year to migrants from the EU27.
There are currently 100,000 unfilled vacancies within the NHS alone.
The average salary for an NHS Registered Nurse is around ยฃ24,000.
Fรผcking Brexit Morons.
My understanding was that the cap would not apply to certain catagories, including nurses, junior doctors etc. The bigger concern, as I understood it, was the regardless of that, they wouldnโt want to come here, as they are unlikely to feel welcome.
I do fear for the nhs, care homes, social care etc, which for years have been grateful for immigrant workers.
For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you). I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story). My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment). Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is. Great to read that, thanks for sharing Chris.
Not so great, however, is the plan to apply a minimum salary threshold of ยฃ30k-a-year to migrants from the EU27.
There are currently 100,000 unfilled vacancies within the NHS alone.
The average salary for an NHS Registered Nurse is around ยฃ24,000.
Fรผcking Brexit Morons.
My understanding was that the cap would not apply to certain catagories, including nurses, junior doctors etc. The bigger concern, as I understood it, was the regardless of that, they wouldnโt want to come here, as they are unlikely to feel welcome. I do fear for the nhs, care homes, social care etc, which for years have been grateful for immigrant workers. |
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Dec 22, 2018 18:06:18 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 18:06:18 GMT 1, As somebody who has worked in the NHS and private healthcare, I can confirm that such places are practically run on immigrant workers from doctors and nurses down to hospital porters and cleaners. Even if they exclude nurses from the 30K threshold, what's going to happen to all the low-paid workers and jobs?
As somebody who has worked in the NHS and private healthcare, I can confirm that such places are practically run on immigrant workers from doctors and nurses down to hospital porters and cleaners. Even if they exclude nurses from the 30K threshold, what's going to happen to all the low-paid workers and jobs?
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Dec 22, 2018 18:26:17 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Dec 22, 2018 18:26:17 GMT 1, As somebody who has worked in the NHS and private healthcare, I can confirm that such places are practically run on immigrant workers from doctors and nurses down to hospital porters and cleaners. Even if they exclude nurses from the 30K threshold, what's going to happen to all the low-paid workers and jobs?
Well indeed. Im concerned that a combination of the falling value of the pound, and a perception of being unwelcome could result in EU workers not wanting to work here, even if able to do so.
As somebody who has worked in the NHS and private healthcare, I can confirm that such places are practically run on immigrant workers from doctors and nurses down to hospital porters and cleaners. Even if they exclude nurses from the 30K threshold, what's going to happen to all the low-paid workers and jobs? Well indeed. Im concerned that a combination of the falling value of the pound, and a perception of being unwelcome could result in EU workers not wanting to work here, even if able to do so. |
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Dec 25, 2018 12:52:17 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 12:52:17 GMT 1, Christmas joke of the year...
Why was Theresa May sacked as nativity manager? Because she couldnโt run a stable government.
Christmas joke of the year...
Why was Theresa May sacked as nativity manager? Because she couldnโt run a stable government.
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moron
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Dec 25, 2018 22:24:28 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Dec 25, 2018 22:24:28 GMT 1, Would you not, like me, prefer to remain? Rescinding A50 can be done at any time. May is choosing to keep that option off the table. I'm on the side of those fighting for it to be put firmly on. My apologies, I was too quick off the mark, too often have I seen the words "project fear" associated with dodgy publications and they are normally the language of mad conspiracy theorists and other misinformed media and people. But I still think one individual - you me or anybody - do not matter in the grand scheme of things. The stakes are to high, the future too bleak to stick to that historical generational folly of a mistake.
www.edp24.co.uk/business/kettle-foods-could-move-export-production-to-europe-after-brexit-1-5240713?action=login
So people in UK won't get those jobs and there is nothing to stop British companies moving some of their production into Europe.
Japanese car companies making cars in UK warned May they would move to Europe if she does not make a suitable exit deal.
Would you not, like me, prefer to remain? Rescinding A50 can be done at any time. May is choosing to keep that option off the table. I'm on the side of those fighting for it to be put firmly on. My apologies, I was too quick off the mark, too often have I seen the words "project fear" associated with dodgy publications and they are normally the language of mad conspiracy theorists and other misinformed media and people. But I still think one individual - you me or anybody - do not matter in the grand scheme of things. The stakes are to high, the future too bleak to stick to that historical generational folly of a mistake. People will lose jobs of UK based companies decide to set up operation in Europe. Including some British companies to supply Europe with their goods. www.edp24.co.uk/business/kettle-foods-could-move-export-production-to-europe-after-brexit-1-5240713?action=login So people in UK won't get those jobs and there is nothing to stop British companies moving some of their production into Europe. Japanese car companies making cars in UK warned May they would move to Europe if she does not make a suitable exit deal. |
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moron
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Dec 25, 2018 22:27:43 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Dec 25, 2018 22:27:43 GMT 1, For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you). I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story). My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment). Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is.
For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you). I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story). My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment). Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is. Corbyn will and Miliband wanted to (get rid of the polish plumbers) There again they are both marxists. |
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moron
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Dec 25, 2018 22:33:22 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Dec 25, 2018 22:33:22 GMT 1, As somebody who has worked in the NHS and private healthcare, I can confirm that such places are practically run on immigrant workers from doctors and nurses down to hospital porters and cleaners. Even if they exclude nurses from the 30K threshold, what's going to happen to all the low-paid workers and jobs? Well indeed. Im concerned that a combination of the falling value of the pound, and a perception of being unwelcome could result in EU workers not wanting to work here, even if able to do so.
www.heraldscotland.com/news/12029702.abbott-denies-attack-on-nurses-was-racist/
As somebody who has worked in the NHS and private healthcare, I can confirm that such places are practically run on immigrant workers from doctors and nurses down to hospital porters and cleaners. Even if they exclude nurses from the 30K threshold, what's going to happen to all the low-paid workers and jobs? Well indeed. Im concerned that a combination of the falling value of the pound, and a perception of being unwelcome could result in EU workers not wanting to work here, even if able to do so. Diane Abbott www.heraldscotland.com/news/12029702.abbott-denies-attack-on-nurses-was-racist/ |
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moron
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Dec 25, 2018 22:40:30 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Dec 25, 2018 22:40:30 GMT 1, On the bright side, if it all goes pear shaped and Corbyn becomes Prime Minister. Surrounded by his marxist clique. He will probably set in motion events which lead to world war three. he allready gets paid by Iran so will no doubt supply Iran technology and stuff to build their own nukes which will endanger peace in the middle east because of their ongoing sabre rattling against Israel and the US which could end up in amargeddon.
Corbyn doesn't care, he lied allready to get student votes saying he would abolish student loans.
May is far from perfect and went for compromise deal knowing that 48% voted to remain in EU. People like Farage etc are the con merchants and liars who misled people with their campaign rhetoric and who also said themselves that if the result was very close and the result was to stay in the EU, that they would demand a re run meaning a second referendum.
I was given the impression that Parliament has the last say on leaving or remaining in the EU.
On the bright side, if it all goes pear shaped and Corbyn becomes Prime Minister. Surrounded by his marxist clique. He will probably set in motion events which lead to world war three. he allready gets paid by Iran so will no doubt supply Iran technology and stuff to build their own nukes which will endanger peace in the middle east because of their ongoing sabre rattling against Israel and the US which could end up in amargeddon.
Corbyn doesn't care, he lied allready to get student votes saying he would abolish student loans.
May is far from perfect and went for compromise deal knowing that 48% voted to remain in EU. People like Farage etc are the con merchants and liars who misled people with their campaign rhetoric and who also said themselves that if the result was very close and the result was to stay in the EU, that they would demand a re run meaning a second referendum.
I was given the impression that Parliament has the last say on leaving or remaining in the EU.
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.dappy
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Dec 25, 2018 23:50:27 GMT 1
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Brexit, by .dappy on Dec 25, 2018 23:50:27 GMT 1,
... you quote an article that is 22 years old ... but I suppose it proves your point ...
... have you ever thought about leading a life without all of the hate and anger that you read and view on a daily basis ...
... I also say this to people who have the opposite view to you ...
... but I suppose that if 'we' don't read and fully understand this propaganda put out by the governments and elite to 'control the people' ... then we are are just puppets and should be pitied ... and we need to be 'woke' ...
... you quote an article that is 22 years old ... but I suppose it proves your point ... ... have you ever thought about leading a life without all of the hate and anger that you read and view on a daily basis ... ... I also say this to people who have the opposite view to you ... ... but I suppose that if 'we' don't read and fully understand this propaganda put out by the governments and elite to 'control the people' ... then we are are just puppets and should be pitied ... and we need to be 'woke' ... |
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Dec 26, 2018 11:21:30 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 11:21:30 GMT 1, For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you). I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story). My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment). Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is. Corbyn will and Miliband wanted to (get rid of the polish plumbers) There again they are both marxists.
For all the ones that have voted for Brexit to get rid of the EU immigrants in the UK, sorry, itโs officially not at all what you will be getting (but the Brexiteers are not telling you). I just participated in a pilot scheme for EU nationals for obtaining the so called Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK. The pilot (open for a short period and only to people at selected institutions), is meant to test the prototype of what will be offered to EU nationals in case of no deal Brexit. Having participated in it, I can testify that the policy is very simple: theyโll throw residency permits at us EU citizens based in the UK (btw, thatโs the only reasonable policy, but thatโs another story). My application using the pilot and a Home Office App took less than 30 minutes and required no documentation whatsoever but my EU passport and a national insurance number (and to provide my UK address). I was approved and granted indefinite leave to remain in the country in less than 12 hours (the hardest part was finding an Android phone, since the pilot App works only on these at the moment). Baseline, to all Brexit voters out of racism: sorry, even on this (like on all the rest), you have been duped - you wonโt get rid of the polish plumber (or whatever is your scarecrow) anytime soon, no matter what the deal (or no deal) is. Corbyn will and Miliband wanted to (get rid of the polish plumbers) There again they are both marxists. I find it rather odd that both the Tories and Labour are talking about getting rid of Polish plumbers etc. when the evidence suggests that immigration is actually good for this country. It seems both main political parties are jumping on the populist bandwagon instead of making the more honest case for the benefits of immigration and, in turn, promoting a more cohesive society. It's all quite depressing. |
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Dec 26, 2018 14:52:29 GMT 1
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Brexit, by cest on Dec 26, 2018 14:52:29 GMT 1, Does anyone think that because of the uncertainty and weaker pound that more art is changing hands? I have wondered if instability of an economy causes more sales than stability.
Does anyone think that because of the uncertainty and weaker pound that more art is changing hands? I have wondered if instability of an economy causes more sales than stability.
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Dec 26, 2018 20:38:03 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Dec 26, 2018 20:38:03 GMT 1, Hey Leavers! Whereโre the leave voters, didnโt see them for a while here. Hope youโre all still fine.
Hey Leavers! Whereโre the leave voters, didnโt see them for a while here. Hope youโre all still fine.
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Masong
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Dec 26, 2018 21:05:46 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Dec 26, 2018 21:05:46 GMT 1, Hey Leavers! Whereโre the leave voters, didnโt see them for a while here. Hope youโre all still fine.
Itโs a lefty forum, what else do you expect?
Hey Leavers! Whereโre the leave voters, didnโt see them for a while here. Hope youโre all still fine. Itโs a lefty forum, what else do you expect? |
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Dec 27, 2018 0:59:16 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Dec 27, 2018 0:59:16 GMT 1, 6 months?! It took Canada 7 years. I keep reading in the media about countries already saying they are confident they can sign trade deals with the UK within about 8 months. I think if the EU can't sort things out within a time that suits us, then it will become a no deal situation and we walk away to sign better deals with a list of countries across the world.
6 months?! It took Canada 7 years. I keep reading in the media about countries already saying they are confident they can sign trade deals with the UK within about 8 months. I think if the EU can't sort things out within a time that suits us, then it will become a no deal situation and we walk away to sign better deals with a list of countries across the world. Iโm sure youโll get the better deals within the next six months. |
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Chris JL
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Dec 29, 2018 17:24:51 GMT 1, I keep reading in the media about countries already saying they are confident they can sign trade deals with the UK within about 8 months. I think if the EU can't sort things out within a time that suits us, then it will become a no deal situation and we walk away to sign better deals with a list of countries across the world. Iโm sure youโll get the better deals within the next six months.
Pie in the sky.
Hint: google โNash bargainingโ and do some reading.
I keep reading in the media about countries already saying they are confident they can sign trade deals with the UK within about 8 months. I think if the EU can't sort things out within a time that suits us, then it will become a no deal situation and we walk away to sign better deals with a list of countries across the world. Iโm sure youโll get the better deals within the next six months. Pie in the sky. Hint: google โNash bargainingโ and do some reading. |
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moron
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Dec 31, 2018 0:35:27 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Dec 31, 2018 0:35:27 GMT 1, Fact is no one can do a deal with the EU.
The people running the EU are corrupt and insane.
Fact is no one can do a deal with the EU.
The people running the EU are corrupt and insane.
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Dec 31, 2018 11:05:10 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 31, 2018 11:05:10 GMT 1, Fact is no one can do a deal with the EU. The people running the EU are corrupt and insane.
The Japanese and the EU have just done an enormous deal, covering 1/3 of the world's GDP, together.
Meanwhile, the UK government have just ignored procurement regulations and awarded a ยฃ14m contract to a ferry company that owns no ferries!
When looking at competence vs corruption I know who I trust more.
You're talking shite again.
Fact is no one can do a deal with the EU. The people running the EU are corrupt and insane. The Japanese and the EU have just done an enormous deal, covering 1/3 of the world's GDP, together. Meanwhile, the UK government have just ignored procurement regulations and awarded a ยฃ14m contract to a ferry company that owns no ferries! When looking at competence vs corruption I know who I trust more. You're talking shite again. |
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Leo Boyd
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Dec 31, 2018 19:49:04 GMT 1
Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Dec 31, 2018 19:49:04 GMT 1, Manufactured Migrant Crisis Alert!
Manufactured Migrant Crisis Alert!
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Jan 1, 2019 11:09:49 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 11:09:49 GMT 1, Manufactured Migrant Crisis Alert!
I wonder what will happen post-Brexit? Presumably the French will be quite happy for all the illegal migrants to cross the channel in to a non-EU country like the UK. It takes the problem out of their hands.
Manufactured Migrant Crisis Alert! Except the migrants are real. They're not actors. I wonder what will happen post-Brexit? Presumably the French will be quite happy for all the illegal migrants to cross the channel in to a non-EU country like the UK. It takes the problem out of their hands. |
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Jan 1, 2019 12:09:39 GMT 1
Brexit, by lacklisted on Jan 1, 2019 12:09:39 GMT 1, For 2019, when ever I read the words 'Illegal migrants' I will simply translate that terminology to 'asylum seeker' that way my empathy remains as it should for peoples pushed to leave their homes and risk their lives to start afresh in a foreign country.
For 2019, when ever I read the words 'Illegal migrants' I will simply translate that terminology to 'asylum seeker' that way my empathy remains as it should for peoples pushed to leave their homes and risk their lives to start afresh in a foreign country. |
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Jan 1, 2019 12:19:56 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 12:19:56 GMT 1, For 2019, when ever I read the words 'Illegal migrants' I will simply translate that terminology to 'asylum seeker' that way my empathy remains as it should for peoples pushed to leave their homes and risk their lives to start afresh in a foreign country.
For 2019, when ever I read the words 'Illegal migrants' I will simply translate that terminology to 'asylum seeker' that way my empathy remains as it should for peoples pushed to leave their homes and risk their lives to start afresh in a foreign country. Except illegal migrants and asylum seekers are two completely different things. In fact, asylum seekers are never illegal migrants. |
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lacklisted
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Jan 1, 2019 12:42:41 GMT 1
Brexit, by lacklisted on Jan 1, 2019 12:42:41 GMT 1, Thats correct. So I would expect the people coming across the channel on small precarious boats are actually asylum seekers or would be as soon as they meet the first Border Force Officer, where they can initiate their claim for asylum as opposed to an illegal migrant who would try to evade being captured by Border Force officers and probably use a faster boat.
Thats correct. So I would expect the people coming across the channel on small precarious boats are actually asylum seekers or would be as soon as they meet the first Border Force Officer, where they can initiate their claim for asylum as opposed to an illegal migrant who would try to evade being captured by Border Force officers and probably use a faster boat.
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Brexit
Jan 1, 2019 12:43:04 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 1, 2019 12:43:04 GMT 1, For 2019, when ever I read the words 'Illegal migrants' I will simply translate that terminology to 'asylum seeker' that way my empathy remains as it should for peoples pushed to leave their homes and risk their lives to start afresh in a foreign country. Except illegal migrants and asylum seekers are two completely different things. ย In fact, asylum seekers are never illegal migrants.ย
No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is?
For 2019, when ever I read the words 'Illegal migrants' I will simply translate that terminology to 'asylum seeker' that way my empathy remains as it should for peoples pushed to leave their homes and risk their lives to start afresh in a foreign country. Except illegal migrants and asylum seekers are two completely different things. ย In fact, asylum seekers are never illegal migrants.ย No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is? |
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Jan 1, 2019 13:35:50 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 13:35:50 GMT 1, Except illegal migrants and asylum seekers are two completely different things. In fact, asylum seekers are never illegal migrants. No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is?
Except illegal migrants and asylum seekers are two completely different things. In fact, asylum seekers are never illegal migrants. No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is? Of course they know they are entering the UK illegally and do not have the right to do so. That is why they travel in small dangerous boats and pay huge fees to traffickers to take them. It's naive to think otherwise. |
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Jan 1, 2019 13:51:13 GMT 1
Brexit, by mose on Jan 1, 2019 13:51:13 GMT 1, No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is? Of course they know they are entering the UK illegally and do not have the right to do so. That is why they travel in small dangerous boats and pay huge fees to traffickers to take them. It's naive to think otherwise.
I'd also understand that some people could view daylightrobber's statement as somewhat racist in the vein of the 'soft bigotry of low expectations'. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I do believe it is a slippery slope to assuming some sort liberal colonizer mindset as in 'those poor savages don't know and don't have to intelligence to do things correctly. We must help them for they can not help themselves'
Expectations of following a country's laws are universally applicable. Ignorance is no excuse and there is no excuse for ignorance.
No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is? Of course they know they are entering the UK illegally and do not have the right to do so. That is why they travel in small dangerous boats and pay huge fees to traffickers to take them. It's naive to think otherwise. I'd also understand that some people could view daylightrobber's statement as somewhat racist in the vein of the 'soft bigotry of low expectations'. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I do believe it is a slippery slope to assuming some sort liberal colonizer mindset as in 'those poor savages don't know and don't have to intelligence to do things correctly. We must help them for they can not help themselves' Expectations of following a country's laws are universally applicable. Ignorance is no excuse and there is no excuse for ignorance. |
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Brexit
Jan 1, 2019 13:54:33 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 1, 2019 13:54:33 GMT 1, No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is? Of course they know they are entering the UK illegally and do not have the right to do so. ย That is why they travel in small dangerous boats and pay huge fees to traffickers to take them. ย It's naive to think otherwise.
Sure. And 3m EU citizens arrived here without CSI because they were pulling a fast one. These people do not know the rules. They run scared of what they think they might be and act on the advice of others who offer them a better life.
What this proves is that we've always had control of our borders and that because we have that control on French soil it is not easy to get to the UK and claim asylum. No paperwork, no travel. Simple.
No one should ever be treated as illegal until all the facts are established. I appreciate that there is a 'correct' way of doing things and that ignorance is not an excuse, but do you really think that people desperate enough to risk their lives, travelling across continents know exactly what the correct procedure is? Of course they know they are entering the UK illegally and do not have the right to do so. ย That is why they travel in small dangerous boats and pay huge fees to traffickers to take them. ย It's naive to think otherwise. Sure. And 3m EU citizens arrived here without CSI because they were pulling a fast one. These people do not know the rules. They run scared of what they think they might be and act on the advice of others who offer them a better life. What this proves is that we've always had control of our borders and that because we have that control on French soil it is not easy to get to the UK and claim asylum. No paperwork, no travel. Simple. |
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Jan 1, 2019 20:01:08 GMT 1
Brexit, by wardance on Jan 1, 2019 20:01:08 GMT 1, The Japanese and the EU have just done an enormous deal, covering 1/3 of the world's GDP, together. Meanwhile, the UK government have just ignored procurement regulations and awarded a ยฃ14m contract to a ferry company that owns no ferries! When looking at competence vs corruption I know who I trust more. You're talkings**te again.
Corrupt and Incompetent.
Edit: Interestingly, the company formed 7 days after Article 50 was triggered. Worth a read: www.ft.com/content/ad549baa-0d10-11e9-acdc-4d9976f1533b
An amateur website: seabornefreight.com
Looking forward to hearing what the right-wing 'Tax-payers Alliance' have to say about this one. Or maybe not.
And whether you voted leave or remain, just think about that for a minute. A govt awarding ยฃ14m of tax payers money to a company with no ships, no trading history, no experience, no reputation. The same people that are over-seeing the biggest ( self-inflicted ) challenge this country has faced in recent history.
Think about what this contract is supposed to achieve - to ensure we can get food supplies in to this country - something that we currently seem to achieve quite successfully under the present set-up. Being part of the EU is not perfect, and the differences between the haves and have-nots are getting worse. But it's better than what we're about to get.
The struggle to achieve a fair system will always be needed, but outside of the EU it's going to be a lot tougher.
The Japanese and the EU have just done an enormous deal, covering 1/3 of the world's GDP, together. Meanwhile, the UK government have just ignored procurement regulations and awarded a ยฃ14m contract to a ferry company that owns no ferries! When looking at competence vs corruption I know who I trust more. You're talkings**te again. And who are the directors of Seaborne Freight that received ยฃ14m despite having no ferries? Well one of them is the brother of Lord Bamford, owner of JCB and biggest donor to Tory Party. Corrupt and Incompetent. Edit: Interestingly, the company formed 7 days after Article 50 was triggered. Worth a read: www.ft.com/content/ad549baa-0d10-11e9-acdc-4d9976f1533bAn amateur website: seabornefreight.comLooking forward to hearing what the right-wing 'Tax-payers Alliance' have to say about this one. Or maybe not. And whether you voted leave or remain, just think about that for a minute. A govt awarding ยฃ14m of tax payers money to a company with no ships, no trading history, no experience, no reputation. The same people that are over-seeing the biggest ( self-inflicted ) challenge this country has faced in recent history. Think about what this contract is supposed to achieve - to ensure we can get food supplies in to this country - something that we currently seem to achieve quite successfully under the present set-up. Being part of the EU is not perfect, and the differences between the haves and have-nots are getting worse. But it's better than what we're about to get. The struggle to achieve a fair system will always be needed, but outside of the EU it's going to be a lot tougher. |
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