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Brexit, by rebate on May 26, 2019 23:00:19 GMT 1, Brexit party smashing it ! Labour taking a kicking
Brexit party smashing it ! Labour taking a kicking where you getting your numbers? hardy anywhere is even declared yet. |
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May 27, 2019 0:11:33 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on May 27, 2019 0:11:33 GMT 1, Brexit party smashing it ! Labour taking a kicking
Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election.
Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland).
Brexit party smashing it ! Labour taking a kicking Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election. Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland). |
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Brexit, by k2 on May 27, 2019 0:14:40 GMT 1, Brexit party smashing it ! Labour taking a kicking Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election. Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland).
Brexit party smashing it ! Labour taking a kicking Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election. Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland). I thought Emily Thornberry was refreshingly candid on the BBC coverage earlier on, pretty much summing up how I've felt as a Labour voter lately. I'd very much like to see more transparent Labour policy coming through in response to this result. |
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May 27, 2019 0:43:03 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on May 27, 2019 0:43:03 GMT 1, Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election. Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland). I thought Emily Thornberry was refreshingly candid on the BBC coverage earlier on, pretty much summing up how I've felt as a Labour voter lately. I'd very much like to see more transparent Labour policy coming through in response to this result.
Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election. Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland). I thought Emily Thornberry was refreshingly candid on the BBC coverage earlier on, pretty much summing up how I've felt as a Labour voter lately. I'd very much like to see more transparent Labour policy coming through in response to this result. Pretty sure it will. Peoples vote are the magic words now for sure. |
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 27, 2019 1:07:16 GMT 1, I thought Emily Thornberry was refreshingly candid on the BBC coverage earlier on, pretty much summing up how I've felt as a Labour voter lately. I'd very much like to see more transparent Labour policy coming through in response to this result. Pretty sure it will. Peoples vote are the magic words now for sure.
... of all of the labour controlled seats only 36% voted Remain in the brexit vote ... and that was in London (and south east) ... that is the problem facing Labour ... that is why JC will not come out for a people's vote ... but so dearly wants a General Election
I thought Emily Thornberry was refreshingly candid on the BBC coverage earlier on, pretty much summing up how I've felt as a Labour voter lately. I'd very much like to see more transparent Labour policy coming through in response to this result. Pretty sure it will. Peoples vote are the magic words now for sure. ... of all of the labour controlled seats only 36% voted Remain in the brexit vote ... and that was in London (and south east) ... that is the problem facing Labour ... that is why JC will not come out for a people's vote ... but so dearly wants a General Election |
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May 27, 2019 1:32:30 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on May 27, 2019 1:32:30 GMT 1, Pretty sure it will. Peoples vote are the magic words now for sure. ... of all of the labour controlled seats only 36% voted Remain in the brexit vote ... and that was in London (and south east) ... that is the problem facing Labour ... that is why JC will not come out for a people's vote ... but so dearly wants a General Election
Pretty sure it will. Peoples vote are the magic words now for sure. ... of all of the labour controlled seats only 36% voted Remain in the brexit vote ... and that was in London (and south east) ... that is the problem facing Labour ... that is why JC will not come out for a people's vote ... but so dearly wants a General Election In a 2 party system on first past the post, brexit party voters mainly return to tory (for a headbanging no dealer) and the remainers now a different demographic to 3 years ago go back to labour (for a peoples vote). I dont see any issue. Labour also walked away with a bit over 20% vote share, 2nd to farage on 38 or so. Not like the electorate in a GE will be so inclined to vote for him to run the country though. It is fair to assume pretty much all of his supporters voted on thursday, but that was 33% turnout (i think thats without scotland so far). Lots of things to read into the numbers, but i would say they show a peoples vote wins him the next GE. |
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 27, 2019 1:41:36 GMT 1, ... you made the arguement with your first sentence why JC only wants a General Election and has not sided for a people's vote ...
... JC will push for a GE even harder now, as a you say, he will win by default because the Tories are so shït ...
... you made the arguement with your first sentence why JC only wants a General Election and has not sided for a people's vote ...
... JC will push for a GE even harder now, as a you say, he will win by default because the Tories are so shït ...
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May 27, 2019 1:50:03 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on May 27, 2019 1:50:03 GMT 1, ... you made the arguement with your first sentence why JC only wants a General Election and has not sided for a people's vote ... ... JC will push for a GE even harder now, as a you say, he will win by default because the Tories are so shït ...
... you made the arguement with your first sentence why JC only wants a General Election and has not sided for a people's vote ... ... JC will push for a GE even harder now, as a you say, he will win by default because the Tories are so shït ... Only if you ignore everything else i said. But yes, the numbers also point at that fact. The plp will make sure he goes peoples vote though, and he will realise the numbers tonight make it an easy win. |
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 27, 2019 2:04:59 GMT 1, ... you made the arguement with your first sentence why JC only wants a General Election and has not sided for a people's vote ... ... JC will push for a GE even harder now, as a you say, he will win by default because the Tories are so shït ... Only if you ignore everything else i said. But yes, the numbers also point at that fact. The plp will make sure he goes peoples vote though, and he will realise the numbers tonight make it an easy win.
... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote?
... you made the arguement with your first sentence why JC only wants a General Election and has not sided for a people's vote ... ... JC will push for a GE even harder now, as a you say, he will win by default because the Tories are so shït ... Only if you ignore everything else i said. But yes, the numbers also point at that fact. The plp will make sure he goes peoples vote though, and he will realise the numbers tonight make it an easy win. ... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote? |
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 27, 2019 7:47:03 GMT 1, Only if you ignore everything else i said. But yes, the numbers also point at that fact. The plp will make sure he goes peoples vote though, and he will realise the numbers tonight make it an easy win. ... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote?
It looks like Labour have run their course on trying to depolarise the nation. I personally feel that it's a shame that they will now have to actively pit against the 'other' side, at a time when the country needs to come together.
Only if you ignore everything else i said. But yes, the numbers also point at that fact. The plp will make sure he goes peoples vote though, and he will realise the numbers tonight make it an easy win. ... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote? It looks like Labour have run their course on trying to depolarise the nation. I personally feel that it's a shame that they will now have to actively pit against the 'other' side, at a time when the country needs to come together. |
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May 27, 2019 9:03:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on May 27, 2019 9:03:35 GMT 1, Only if you ignore everything else i said. But yes, the numbers also point at that fact. The plp will make sure he goes peoples vote though, and he will realise the numbers tonight make it an easy win. ... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote?
Only if you ignore everything else i said. But yes, the numbers also point at that fact. The plp will make sure he goes peoples vote though, and he will realise the numbers tonight make it an easy win. ... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote? Pretty sure thats what last nights results say. Any reason you think different? He doesnt even have to have a stance, its the peoples vote, thats the point. |
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 27, 2019 9:41:06 GMT 1, ... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote? Pretty sure thats what last nights results say. Any reason you think different? He doesnt even have to have a stance, its the peoples vote, thats the point.
... so what does the Labour party win by having the people's vote?
... but a people's vote does not give him power ... even if 'he' wins and what would be his stance in a people's vote? Pretty sure thats what last nights results say. Any reason you think different? He doesnt even have to have a stance, its the peoples vote, thats the point. ... so what does the Labour party win by having the people's vote? |
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Brexit, by rebate on May 27, 2019 9:51:49 GMT 1, Pretty sure thats what last nights results say. Any reason you think different? He doesnt even have to have a stance, its the peoples vote, thats the point. ... so what does the Labour party win by having the people's vote?
Pretty sure thats what last nights results say. Any reason you think different? He doesnt even have to have a stance, its the peoples vote, thats the point. ... so what does the Labour party win by having the people's vote? Support of the majority of the electorate and the GE. What makes you think different? |
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 27, 2019 10:03:32 GMT 1, ... but by your own logic, he will win a GE by default because the Tories are so shït ...
... that is why JC and his cohorts keep pushing for a GE and not the people's vote ...
PV does not give him power ...
... the Euro elections quite clearly show that the country us still split 50/50 ... what happens if there is a people's vote that comes out with 52 stay in EU and 48 leave EU ...
... that is without even talking about what the question(s) are in the ballot paper
... but by your own logic, he will win a GE by default because the Tories are so shït ...
... that is why JC and his cohorts keep pushing for a GE and not the people's vote ...
PV does not give him power ...
... the Euro elections quite clearly show that the country us still split 50/50 ... what happens if there is a people's vote that comes out with 52 stay in EU and 48 leave EU ...
... that is without even talking about what the question(s) are in the ballot paper
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Brexit, by rebate on May 27, 2019 10:35:00 GMT 1, ... but by your own logic, he will win a GE by default because the Tories are so shït ... NO, THAT IS YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I SAID SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT. you have said on many occasions that it is a two horse race and that Labour v Tory is the only real choice ... that is why JC and his cohorts keep pushing for a GE and not the people's vote ... WHICH COHORTS? MOST SEEM PRETTY KEEN ON PV TO ME. John McDonnell and those close PV does not give him power ... IT WILL GIVE HIM THE MAJORITY WHEN ITS IN A GE SETTING. SO, YES IT PROBABLY WILL (nothing is 100%). a majority for what? there is nothing to win in a PV other than in or out ... the Euro elections quite clearly show that the country us still split 50/50 ... what happens if there is a people's vote that comes out with 52 stay in EU and 48 leave EU ... A GE IS A DIFFERENT GAME, FUNNY YOU HAVE NOW CONVENIENTLY DISREGARDED THAT. see above 52/48, WILL MAKE IT A NIGHTMARE NO DOUBT. BUT IT WOULD BE ON THE CURRENT INFORMATION AND A LOT MORE INFORMED THAN THE LAST ONE. and the winner is? and it does not put labour in power ... that is without even talking about what the question(s) are in the ballot paper PRETTY SURE THAT WILL BE [DEAL X] OR [REMAIN]. PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
... but by your own logic, he will win a GE by default because the Tories are so shït ... NO, THAT IS YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I SAID SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT. you have said on many occasions that it is a two horse race and that Labour v Tory is the only real choice ... that is why JC and his cohorts keep pushing for a GE and not the people's vote ... WHICH COHORTS? MOST SEEM PRETTY KEEN ON PV TO ME. John McDonnell and those close PV does not give him power ... IT WILL GIVE HIM THE MAJORITY WHEN ITS IN A GE SETTING. SO, YES IT PROBABLY WILL (nothing is 100%). a majority for what? there is nothing to win in a PV other than in or out ... the Euro elections quite clearly show that the country us still split 50/50 ... what happens if there is a people's vote that comes out with 52 stay in EU and 48 leave EU ... A GE IS A DIFFERENT GAME, FUNNY YOU HAVE NOW CONVENIENTLY DISREGARDED THAT. see above 52/48, WILL MAKE IT A NIGHTMARE NO DOUBT. BUT IT WOULD BE ON THE CURRENT INFORMATION AND A LOT MORE INFORMED THAN THE LAST ONE. and the winner is? and it does not put labour in power ... that is without even talking about what the question(s) are in the ballot paper PRETTY SURE THAT WILL BE [DEAL X] OR [REMAIN]. PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. |
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Brexit, by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:44:51 GMT 1, London result very worrying for Labour
London result very worrying for Labour Indeed. That is particularly significant as London is almost exclusively Labour run at the moment. |
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May 27, 2019 10:47:36 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:47:36 GMT 1, Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election. Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland). I thought Emily Thornberry was refreshingly candid on the BBC coverage earlier on, pretty much summing up how I've felt as a Labour voter lately. I'd very much like to see more transparent Labour policy coming through in response to this result.
Most voters, I suspect, are seeing this as a 1 issue election. Thus far a dead heat between the Brexit party and the two parties that have stood on a remain footing - 32% each. (Much greater remain mandate in Scotland). I thought Emily Thornberry was refreshingly candid on the BBC coverage earlier on, pretty much summing up how I've felt as a Labour voter lately. I'd very much like to see more transparent Labour policy coming through in response to this result. Yeah. Did you see Labour's Shami Chakrabarti on the Andrew Marr Show? Clear as mud! |
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Brexit, by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:24:02 GMT 1, I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you.
I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you. |
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 27, 2019 11:34:54 GMT 1, I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you.
What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society.
I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you. What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society. |
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Brexit, by Balboa on May 27, 2019 11:59:32 GMT 1, I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you. What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society.
Or one could argue that he gave a large percentage of people a voice that they didn't previously have. The wedge was already there.
I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you. What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society. Or one could argue that he gave a large percentage of people a voice that they didn't previously have. The wedge was already there. |
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Brexit, by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:47:49 GMT 1, I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you. What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society.
Despite all the chaos and dire warnings, the country is still split right down the middle.
I don't know where this came from (I stole it from a Facebook friend) but I thought it was interesting. It seems if you are unclear on where a party stands on Brexit, people don't vote for you. What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society. If you assume that the Tory vote is pro-Brexit and the Labour vote is, say 2/3rds Remain, then according to my calculations, we end up with anti-Brexit on just under 50% and pro-Brexit on just over 50%. Despite all the chaos and dire warnings, the country is still split right down the middle. |
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 27, 2019 12:48:12 GMT 1, What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society. Or one could argue that he gave a large percentage of people a voice that they didn't previously have. The wedge was already there.
You could I guess, but keeping with the analogy there wasn't a lot more than a crack. Rather than attempting to repair it, he has split the population one half against the other half and at the moment I genuinely don't see how there's going to be an acceptable resolution. There's no consensus for trying to find a middle ground.
He has right, royally, fooked things up.
What this shows is that David Cameron has driven an almighty wedge right down the middle of society. Or one could argue that he gave a large percentage of people a voice that they didn't previously have. The wedge was already there. You could I guess, but keeping with the analogy there wasn't a lot more than a crack. Rather than attempting to repair it, he has split the population one half against the other half and at the moment I genuinely don't see how there's going to be an acceptable resolution. There's no consensus for trying to find a middle ground. He has right, royally, fooked things up. |
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May 27, 2019 14:05:30 GMT 1
Brexit, by mojo on May 27, 2019 14:05:30 GMT 1,
Who the hell votes for a political party scraped together in 5 weeks without ANY policy or manifesto other than leaving the EU with NO DEAL? ... ex UKIP & far right Tory's perhaps? It's hilarious but NOT funny.
Who the hell votes for a political party scraped together in 5 weeks without ANY policy or manifesto other than leaving the EU with NO DEAL? ... ex UKIP & far right Tory's perhaps? It's hilarious but NOT funny. |
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Brexit, by Daniel Silk on May 28, 2019 0:58:44 GMT 1, At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election.
The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something.
At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election.
The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something.
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Brexit, by hibster on May 28, 2019 8:27:12 GMT 1, Are you seriously suggesting that we are all responsible for what our parents did? What a ridiculous argument. fwiw the last third of that article is about her behaviour to sabotage investigations into the events we can blame her for that, putting g her own self interests above everything else. again.
Are you seriously suggesting that we are all responsible for what our parents did? What a ridiculous argument. fwiw the last third of that article is about her behaviour to sabotage investigations into the events we can blame her for that, putting g her own self interests above everything else. again.
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Brexit, by hibster on May 28, 2019 8:29:36 GMT 1, ... is the only good thing with Boris becoming the next PM is that he will take the poison chalice and fail (and I don't mean not pushing through and leaving the EU)... and therefore his tenure won't be very long and he will never be re-elected ... Whoever becomes PM will fail. They will be in exactly the same position as Theresa May was in. I find it extraordinary that people think booting out Theresa May will achieve anything at all. The numbers in parliament are still the same. There is still no majority for any of the options on offer - and that's before you overcome the hurdle of trying to get the EU to agree to it. markiemark raises a very valid point that I feel is being overlooked
yes may was shit but look at who is standing in line to replace her gove, Johnson, rees-mogg? all worse
... is the only good thing with Boris becoming the next PM is that he will take the poison chalice and fail (and I don't mean not pushing through and leaving the EU)... and therefore his tenure won't be very long and he will never be re-elected ... Whoever becomes PM will fail. They will be in exactly the same position as Theresa May was in. I find it extraordinary that people think booting out Theresa May will achieve anything at all. The numbers in parliament are still the same. There is still no majority for any of the options on offer - and that's before you overcome the hurdle of trying to get the EU to agree to it. markiemark raises a very valid point that I feel is being overlooked
yes may was shit but look at who is standing in line to replace her gove, Johnson, rees-mogg? all worse
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Brexit, by Chris JL on May 28, 2019 10:04:58 GMT 1, I’ve been mostly out of the news cycle (moving home and no internet yet), but from the little I’ve observed it is quite odd that Corbyn’s head is not rolling.
3 election defeats is a row, with the last one a dramatic 11% worse than Miliband, loosing badly even in London, coming after Plaid (never happened before I think) in Wales, and coming in 5th (with zero seats) in Scotland, would have been a tombstone for any other party leader...
Just personal decency, and care for the party’s future, would call for I’m to step down.
I’ve been mostly out of the news cycle (moving home and no internet yet), but from the little I’ve observed it is quite odd that Corbyn’s head is not rolling.
3 election defeats is a row, with the last one a dramatic 11% worse than Miliband, loosing badly even in London, coming after Plaid (never happened before I think) in Wales, and coming in 5th (with zero seats) in Scotland, would have been a tombstone for any other party leader...
Just personal decency, and care for the party’s future, would call for I’m to step down.
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Brexit, by Carl Cashman on May 28, 2019 10:44:44 GMT 1,
At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election. The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something.
The Europe vote will have barley any reflection on a general election !. The Brexit party doesnt even have a manifesto, huge difference picking leave or remain.... to who you actually want running the country on a daily basis.
Most votes last week were a protest.
Once again, Farage is in charge of a collective that has 1 sole purpose... getting us out of Europe.
At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election. The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something. The Europe vote will have barley any reflection on a general election !. The Brexit party doesnt even have a manifesto, huge difference picking leave or remain.... to who you actually want running the country on a daily basis. Most votes last week were a protest. Once again, Farage is in charge of a collective that has 1 sole purpose... getting us out of Europe. |
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Brexit
May 28, 2019 10:54:46 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on May 28, 2019 10:54:46 GMT 1, At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election. The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something. The Europe vote will have barley any reflection on a general election !. The Brexit party doesnt even have a manifesto, huge difference picking leave or remain.... to who you actually want running the country on a daily basis. Most votes last week were a protest. Once again, Farage is in charge of a collective that has 1 sole purpose... getting us out of Europe.
At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election. The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something. The Europe vote will have barley any reflection on a general election !. The Brexit party doesnt even have a manifesto, huge difference picking leave or remain.... to who you actually want running the country on a daily basis. Most votes last week were a protest. Once again, Farage is in charge of a collective that has 1 sole purpose... getting us out of Europe. I think you are overestimating the British public. If we haven't left the EU by the time the next general election happens (or if we haven't left with a hard enough Brexit) then people will still vote for the Brexit Party despite the fact that they have no idea what they would do regarding health, education, security, transport etc. etc. etc. I agree that most votes in the EU elections, and the local elections, were protest votes but I think you will find that most votes in the next general election will also be protest votes. Many people do not approach such things rationally. They vote with their emotions not their intellect. |
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Brexit
May 28, 2019 13:49:21 GMT 1
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 28, 2019 13:49:21 GMT 1, At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election. The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something. The Europe vote will have barley any reflection on a general election !. The Brexit party doesnt even have a manifesto, huge difference picking leave or remain.... to who you actually want running the country on a daily basis. Most votes last week were a protest. Once again, Farage is in charge of a collective that has 1 sole purpose... getting us out of Europe.
... except that only 34% of Labour constituencies voted Remain in the Brexit vote three years ago ...
At the time of the vote, Labour were very sketchy on what their views were and the official view of the party on Brexit, and that was a massive mistake. Yeah, the Conservatives were not all supporters of Brexit, but the individuals mostly made it clear what their opinions were, for or against. I think if Labour had been officially remain, with a popular leader with strong views for remain, they would be a much stronger party now, and might even have a chance in a general election. The three main parties continue to make bad decisions and give opportunities to other parties to form and gain a foothold in elections that could eventually grow into something. The Europe vote will have barley any reflection on a general election !. The Brexit party doesnt even have a manifesto, huge difference picking leave or remain.... to who you actually want running the country on a daily basis. Most votes last week were a protest. Once again, Farage is in charge of a collective that has 1 sole purpose... getting us out of Europe. ... except that only 34% of Labour constituencies voted Remain in the Brexit vote three years ago ... |
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