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Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:07:28 GMT 1, I thought this conversation was about Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.
I thought this conversation was about Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:10:18 GMT 1, I'm sorry but you are talking complete rot. " Tuition being free means a lot more of the best people will be able to afford education rather than just the rich". Untrue. At present you can attend university and if you don't get a high paid job at the end of it you never have to pay back your tuition fees. This actually helps poor people more than rich people who will always find a job anyway (due to the old boys network) and will therefore have to pay back their tuition fees regardless. You are also forgetting that "free tuition" actually has to be paid by someone, i.e. tax from people (including the less well off) who are not going to uni and don't get the benefits of a higher education. " ...less need to give your least in as**t job you hate". That depends more on personal motivation than government policies. And, as we all know, the Tories are the ones who encourage growth and productivity, not Labour. Incidentally, we still need people to do s**t jobs whoever is in power. Some people are quite happy to simply go to work and stack shelves at Tesco all day. Like I said, it's about motivation. "Public ownership is another one that gets misrepresented as spending never ending money, its not, its buying an assett that will make peoples lives better and generate a future revenue." And yet, historically, that hasn't happened. Socialists need to get out of this habit of thinking public ownership automatically = good and private ownership automatically = bad. It's often the other way round. I am old enough to remember when all the train were in public ownership. I used to travel to work everyday on a train where nobody could sit down because the seats had all been vandalised with the springs poking up out of them and there was no money to replace them. With the uncertainty surrounding Brexit and our future prosperity, when times are hard the first thing that will be ignored will be the upkeep of public companies and replacing train seats with new ones. I am deeply concerned that if the railways are put back in to pubic ownership they will go back to the bad old days I can too easily remember. "We have had one election day since Corbyn took over, and he hadn't found his feet". He has been in politics long enough. How long does he need to "find his feet"? He was expecting huge gains and a probable victory at the last general election (and the local elections)...and he didn't get it. He tried to put a positive spin on things but the fact of the matter is that the UK public do not respond well to his type of socialism. I suspect the next general election will not see his popularity increase at all. I think it will either plateau or even decrease. He is not as popular as he thinks he is. He can't even beat the most unpopular Tory leader since Thatcher. Sticking with short sighted small picture thinking then. Just wrapping it up in a lot of pointless extra words. I take a lot of time to point out the errors in your thinking and all I get back is that? Oh well...have a nice Sunday.
I'm sorry but you are talking complete rot. " Tuition being free means a lot more of the best people will be able to afford education rather than just the rich". Untrue. At present you can attend university and if you don't get a high paid job at the end of it you never have to pay back your tuition fees. This actually helps poor people more than rich people who will always find a job anyway (due to the old boys network) and will therefore have to pay back their tuition fees regardless. You are also forgetting that "free tuition" actually has to be paid by someone, i.e. tax from people (including the less well off) who are not going to uni and don't get the benefits of a higher education. " ...less need to give your least in as**t job you hate". That depends more on personal motivation than government policies. And, as we all know, the Tories are the ones who encourage growth and productivity, not Labour. Incidentally, we still need people to do s**t jobs whoever is in power. Some people are quite happy to simply go to work and stack shelves at Tesco all day. Like I said, it's about motivation. "Public ownership is another one that gets misrepresented as spending never ending money, its not, its buying an assett that will make peoples lives better and generate a future revenue." And yet, historically, that hasn't happened. Socialists need to get out of this habit of thinking public ownership automatically = good and private ownership automatically = bad. It's often the other way round. I am old enough to remember when all the train were in public ownership. I used to travel to work everyday on a train where nobody could sit down because the seats had all been vandalised with the springs poking up out of them and there was no money to replace them. With the uncertainty surrounding Brexit and our future prosperity, when times are hard the first thing that will be ignored will be the upkeep of public companies and replacing train seats with new ones. I am deeply concerned that if the railways are put back in to pubic ownership they will go back to the bad old days I can too easily remember. "We have had one election day since Corbyn took over, and he hadn't found his feet". He has been in politics long enough. How long does he need to "find his feet"? He was expecting huge gains and a probable victory at the last general election (and the local elections)...and he didn't get it. He tried to put a positive spin on things but the fact of the matter is that the UK public do not respond well to his type of socialism. I suspect the next general election will not see his popularity increase at all. I think it will either plateau or even decrease. He is not as popular as he thinks he is. He can't even beat the most unpopular Tory leader since Thatcher. Sticking with short sighted small picture thinking then. Just wrapping it up in a lot of pointless extra words. I take a lot of time to point out the errors in your thinking and all I get back is that? Oh well...have a nice Sunday.
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Oct 14, 2018 15:14:13 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:14:13 GMT 1, I hate to say it as I'm really rather fond of him, but the very simple fact of the matter is Corbyn's got to go if Labour are to win an election.
Put someone like Starmer in his place and Labour would walk it.
I tend to agree. For every one Corbyn fanatic there are at least two Labour voters who aren't.
The UK public tend not to like extremes to the left or the right. We're a very moderate bunch on the whole.
I hate to say it as I'm really rather fond of him, but the very simple fact of the matter is Corbyn's got to go if Labour are to win an election.
Put someone like Starmer in his place and Labour would walk it.
I tend to agree. For every one Corbyn fanatic there are at least two Labour voters who aren't. The UK public tend not to like extremes to the left or the right. We're a very moderate bunch on the whole.
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Oct 14, 2018 15:17:43 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Oct 14, 2018 15:17:43 GMT 1, Sticking with short sighted small picture thinking then. Just wrapping it up in a lot of pointless extra words. I take a lot of time to point out the errors in your thinking and all I get back is that? Oh well...have a nice Sunday. You didnt point out any errors, you just followed the same old line that only focusses on the initial costs and never considers the long term benefits. All you did was provide a written example of the exact problem i was describing.
I didnt feel the need to bury it in lots of words is all.
Sticking with short sighted small picture thinking then. Just wrapping it up in a lot of pointless extra words. I take a lot of time to point out the errors in your thinking and all I get back is that? Oh well...have a nice Sunday. You didnt point out any errors, you just followed the same old line that only focusses on the initial costs and never considers the long term benefits. All you did was provide a written example of the exact problem i was describing. I didnt feel the need to bury it in lots of words is all.
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Oct 14, 2018 15:20:05 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Oct 14, 2018 15:20:05 GMT 1, I hate to say it as I'm really rather fond of him, but the very simple fact of the matter is Corbyn's got to go if Labour are to win an election.
Put someone like Starmer in his place and Labour would walk it.
I tend to agree. For every one Corbyn fanatic there are at least two Labour voters who aren't. The UK public tend not to like extremes to the left or the right. We're a very moderate bunch on the whole. Nice use of language there. Doesnt hide the litany of destruction from the tories, but keep it up, the media is fast losing all credibility for the same game though.
I hate to say it as I'm really rather fond of him, but the very simple fact of the matter is Corbyn's got to go if Labour are to win an election.
Put someone like Starmer in his place and Labour would walk it.
I tend to agree. For every one Corbyn fanatic there are at least two Labour voters who aren't. The UK public tend not to like extremes to the left or the right. We're a very moderate bunch on the whole. Nice use of language there. Doesnt hide the litany of destruction from the tories, but keep it up, the media is fast losing all credibility for the same game though.
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Oct 14, 2018 15:49:21 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:49:21 GMT 1, I take a lot of time to point out the errors in your thinking and all I get back is that? Oh well...have a nice Sunday. You didnt point out any errors, you just followed the same old line that only focusses on the initial costs and never considers the long term benefits. All you did was provide a written example of the exact problem i was describing. I didnt feel the need to bury it in lots of words is all. You obviously didn't read my reply properly. I considered the long-term ramifications far more than you did. In fact my whole post was about the long-term ramifications of Labour policies.
I take a lot of time to point out the errors in your thinking and all I get back is that? Oh well...have a nice Sunday. You didnt point out any errors, you just followed the same old line that only focusses on the initial costs and never considers the long term benefits. All you did was provide a written example of the exact problem i was describing. I didnt feel the need to bury it in lots of words is all. You obviously didn't read my reply properly. I considered the long-term ramifications far more than you did. In fact my whole post was about the long-term ramifications of Labour policies.
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Oct 14, 2018 15:54:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:54:35 GMT 1, I tend to agree. For every one Corbyn fanatic there are at least two Labour voters who aren't. The UK public tend not to like extremes to the left or the right. We're a very moderate bunch on the whole. Nice use of language there. Doesnt hide the litany of destruction from the tories, but keep it up, the media is fast losing all credibility for the same game though. You keep bringing up the Tories. This thread is about Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, not about the Tories. It's not "The Tories are bad at x, y and z so Corbyn is the great Messiah which we all love". It's a non sequitur.
I tend to agree. For every one Corbyn fanatic there are at least two Labour voters who aren't. The UK public tend not to like extremes to the left or the right. We're a very moderate bunch on the whole. Nice use of language there. Doesnt hide the litany of destruction from the tories, but keep it up, the media is fast losing all credibility for the same game though. You keep bringing up the Tories. This thread is about Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, not about the Tories. It's not "The Tories are bad at x, y and z so Corbyn is the great Messiah which we all love". It's a non sequitur.
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Oct 14, 2018 16:08:37 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Oct 14, 2018 16:08:37 GMT 1, Nice use of language there. Doesnt hide the litany of destruction from the tories, but keep it up, the media is fast losing all credibility for the same game though. You keep bringing up the Tories. This thread is about Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, not about the Tories. It's not "The Tories are bad at x, y and z so Corbyn is the great Messiah which we all love". It's a non sequitur. I think you will find the thread is about brexit, but congratulations on showing your ability to comprehend whats going on.
Nice use of language there. Doesnt hide the litany of destruction from the tories, but keep it up, the media is fast losing all credibility for the same game though. You keep bringing up the Tories. This thread is about Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, not about the Tories. It's not "The Tories are bad at x, y and z so Corbyn is the great Messiah which we all love". It's a non sequitur. I think you will find the thread is about brexit, but congratulations on showing your ability to comprehend whats going on.
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Oct 14, 2018 16:13:50 GMT 1
Brexit, by Bill Hicks on Oct 14, 2018 16:13:50 GMT 1, I thought this conversation was about Jeremy Corbyn and Labour. Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
Ban companies based in tax havens bidding for government contracts It's astounding that this isn't the case already. How on earth could anyone even attempt to justify taxpayers' cash being paid to companies based in tax havens for the purpose of dodging tax?
£10 minimum wage for all workers over the age of 18 The UK is the only country in the developed world where workers' wages are declining in real terms, while the economy is actually growing. A £10 minimum wage would help to reverse this scenario, and it would also significantly reduce the cost of in-work benefits like tax credits and housing benefit (most of which goes to working families these days).
All rented accommodation to be fit for human habitation Again, astounding that this isn't the case already, but in January 2016 the Tories (over 1/3 of whom are landlords) deliberately voted down a Labour Party amendment to their housing bill to ensure that all rented accommodation is fit for human habitation.
Renationalise the railways This is a very popular policy that is supported by an overwhelming majority of the public. Do you support rail renationalisation too, or are you one of the minority who think that the current shambles is acceptable?
Renationalise the NHS The Tory party have been carving up the English NHS and distributing the pieces to the private sector, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to reverse this process. Are you one of the 84% of people who thinks the NHS should be run as a not for profit public service, or the 7% who agree with the ongoing Tory privatisation agenda?
Free school meals The policy of providing free school meals to all school children between the ages of 4 and 11 is based on evidence based research showing that universal free school meals lead to significantly improved grades. It will be paid for by ending the generous tax breaks (public subsidies) for the 7% of kids who go to private fee-paying schools.
Create a National Education Service Jeremy Corbyn believes that education is a right, not a commodity. He wants to create an integrated National Education Service to ensure that education is freely available to anyone who needs it.
Scrap tuition fees Thanks to the Tories (and their Lib-Dem enablers) UK students now face the most expensive tuition fees in the industrialised world for study at public universities, meaning students typically leave university with £50,000 of debt, and two thirds of them will never pay off their student debts. Labour would end this lunacy by getting rid of student fees.
Restore NHS Bursaries One of the first things Theresa My did when she came to power was to scrap NHS bursaries for nurses and other NHS workers. This removal of financial support for nurses has caused a huge 10,000 decline in the number of applicants to nursing courses. This collapse in nursing recruitment would be bad enough in its own right, but in combination with a record increase in the number of EU nurses quitting the NHS and a mind-boggling 92% fall in nursing recruitment from EU countries, the UK is clearly facing a massive NHS recruitment crisis. Labour would reverse this calamitous state of affairs by restoring NHS Bursaries for trainee nurses.
Increase the carers allowance Labour are proposing to increase the Carers Allowance for the 1 million unpaid carers in the UK. This would be paid for by scrapping the Tories' Inheritance Tax cut for millionaires. Unpaid carers save the UK economy an estimated £132 million a year, and they're doing ever more work as a result of the £4.6 billion in Tory cuts to the social care budget.
Create a National Investment Bank This is actually one of Jeremy Corbyn's best policies, but few people actually understand it. It's absolutely clear that allowing private banks to determine where money is invested ends up in huge speculative bubbles in housing and financial derivatives, while the real economy is starved of cash. A National Investment Bank would work by investing in things like infrastructure, services, businesses and regional development projects, and would end up becoming a kind of sovereign wealth fund for the UK.
End the public sector pay freeze Under Tory rule UK workers suffered the longest sustained decline in real wages since records began. The public sector pay freeze contributed massively to this. You'd have to be economically illiterate to imagine that repressing public sector wages with below inflation pay rises for year after year would not exert downwards pressure on private sector wages too. Ending the public sector pay freeze would actually boost the economy by putting more money in people's pockets, meaning an increase in aggregate demand.
End sweetheart tax deals between HMRC and massive corporations David Cameron (the son of a tax-dodger) repeatedly lied through his teeth about how serious he was about confronting tax-dodging, whilst allowing HMRC to concoct sweetheart deals with corporations like Google, Vodafone and Starbucks. One of the main reasons the corporate press are so strongly opposed to Jeremy Corbyn is that they know that unlike David Cameron, he's serious when he talks about clamping down on tax-dodging.
Stop major corporations ripping off their suppliers Major corporations are withholding an astounding £26 billion through late payment, which is responsible for an estimated 50,000 small businesses going bust every year. The scale of this problem is so massive that it should be a national scandal, and Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely right to align himself with small businesses to defend their interests.
Reverse the Tory corporation tax cuts Since 2010 the Tories have cut the rate of corporation tax for major multinational corporations from 28% to just 17% (by 2020) meaning the UK has one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the developed world. The global average is 27% and the G7 average is 32.3%. Theresa May has already threatened to lower the corporation tax even further to turn post-brexit Britiain into a tax haven economy, Corbyn is proposing to do the opposite and increase corporation tax rates so they're more in line with the rest of the developed world.
Defend Human Rights Theresa May has repeatedly expressed her intention to tear up Winston Churchill's finest legacy, the European Convention on Human Rights. Labour would oppose this Tory attack on our human rights.
Zero Hours Contracts ban Almost a million UK workers are now on exploitative Zero Hours Contracts. Last year the New Zealand parliament voted to ban them, and Labour is proposing to do the same. Long-term employees and workers doing regular hours would be protected from Zero Hours Contract exploitation.
Holding the Tories to account over Brexit Labour have said that they won't block Brexit, but they will seek to hold the Tories to account over it. A landslide Tory victory would be a disaster for the UK because it would allow Theresa May to pursue the most right-wing pro-corporate anti-worker Brexit possible with almost no democratic scrutiny. The only way to make sure the Tories don't push a fanatically right-wing Brexit on the nation is to ensure that there are plenty of opposition MPs to hold them to account.
Housebuilding Under the Tory government the level of UK housebuilding has slumped to the lowest levels since the 1920s, even though demand for housing is extremely high. Labour are guaranteeing to invest in a programme of housebuilding, and committing to ensure that half of the new houses are social housing. This wouldn't just alleviate the housing crisis, it would also stimulate the economy by increasing aggregate demand.
Combat inequality George Osborne's ideological austerity agenda resulted in the longest sustained decline in workers' wages since records began and condemned an additional 400,000 children to growing up in poverty, meanwhile the tiny super-rich majority literally doubled their wealth. Labour is pledging to reduce the inequality gap and introduce progressive policies to reduce the gap between the incomes of the highest and lowest paid. There is plenty of evidence to show that the least unequal societies are more economically successful places where the people are happier.
I thought this conversation was about Jeremy Corbyn and Labour. Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
Ban companies based in tax havens bidding for government contracts It's astounding that this isn't the case already. How on earth could anyone even attempt to justify taxpayers' cash being paid to companies based in tax havens for the purpose of dodging tax?
£10 minimum wage for all workers over the age of 18 The UK is the only country in the developed world where workers' wages are declining in real terms, while the economy is actually growing. A £10 minimum wage would help to reverse this scenario, and it would also significantly reduce the cost of in-work benefits like tax credits and housing benefit (most of which goes to working families these days).
All rented accommodation to be fit for human habitation Again, astounding that this isn't the case already, but in January 2016 the Tories (over 1/3 of whom are landlords) deliberately voted down a Labour Party amendment to their housing bill to ensure that all rented accommodation is fit for human habitation.
Renationalise the railways This is a very popular policy that is supported by an overwhelming majority of the public. Do you support rail renationalisation too, or are you one of the minority who think that the current shambles is acceptable?
Renationalise the NHS The Tory party have been carving up the English NHS and distributing the pieces to the private sector, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to reverse this process. Are you one of the 84% of people who thinks the NHS should be run as a not for profit public service, or the 7% who agree with the ongoing Tory privatisation agenda?
Free school meals The policy of providing free school meals to all school children between the ages of 4 and 11 is based on evidence based research showing that universal free school meals lead to significantly improved grades. It will be paid for by ending the generous tax breaks (public subsidies) for the 7% of kids who go to private fee-paying schools.
Create a National Education Service Jeremy Corbyn believes that education is a right, not a commodity. He wants to create an integrated National Education Service to ensure that education is freely available to anyone who needs it.
Scrap tuition fees Thanks to the Tories (and their Lib-Dem enablers) UK students now face the most expensive tuition fees in the industrialised world for study at public universities, meaning students typically leave university with £50,000 of debt, and two thirds of them will never pay off their student debts. Labour would end this lunacy by getting rid of student fees.
Restore NHS Bursaries One of the first things Theresa My did when she came to power was to scrap NHS bursaries for nurses and other NHS workers. This removal of financial support for nurses has caused a huge 10,000 decline in the number of applicants to nursing courses. This collapse in nursing recruitment would be bad enough in its own right, but in combination with a record increase in the number of EU nurses quitting the NHS and a mind-boggling 92% fall in nursing recruitment from EU countries, the UK is clearly facing a massive NHS recruitment crisis. Labour would reverse this calamitous state of affairs by restoring NHS Bursaries for trainee nurses.
Increase the carers allowance Labour are proposing to increase the Carers Allowance for the 1 million unpaid carers in the UK. This would be paid for by scrapping the Tories' Inheritance Tax cut for millionaires. Unpaid carers save the UK economy an estimated £132 million a year, and they're doing ever more work as a result of the £4.6 billion in Tory cuts to the social care budget.
Create a National Investment Bank This is actually one of Jeremy Corbyn's best policies, but few people actually understand it. It's absolutely clear that allowing private banks to determine where money is invested ends up in huge speculative bubbles in housing and financial derivatives, while the real economy is starved of cash. A National Investment Bank would work by investing in things like infrastructure, services, businesses and regional development projects, and would end up becoming a kind of sovereign wealth fund for the UK.
End the public sector pay freeze Under Tory rule UK workers suffered the longest sustained decline in real wages since records began. The public sector pay freeze contributed massively to this. You'd have to be economically illiterate to imagine that repressing public sector wages with below inflation pay rises for year after year would not exert downwards pressure on private sector wages too. Ending the public sector pay freeze would actually boost the economy by putting more money in people's pockets, meaning an increase in aggregate demand.
End sweetheart tax deals between HMRC and massive corporations David Cameron (the son of a tax-dodger) repeatedly lied through his teeth about how serious he was about confronting tax-dodging, whilst allowing HMRC to concoct sweetheart deals with corporations like Google, Vodafone and Starbucks. One of the main reasons the corporate press are so strongly opposed to Jeremy Corbyn is that they know that unlike David Cameron, he's serious when he talks about clamping down on tax-dodging.
Stop major corporations ripping off their suppliers Major corporations are withholding an astounding £26 billion through late payment, which is responsible for an estimated 50,000 small businesses going bust every year. The scale of this problem is so massive that it should be a national scandal, and Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely right to align himself with small businesses to defend their interests.
Reverse the Tory corporation tax cuts Since 2010 the Tories have cut the rate of corporation tax for major multinational corporations from 28% to just 17% (by 2020) meaning the UK has one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the developed world. The global average is 27% and the G7 average is 32.3%. Theresa May has already threatened to lower the corporation tax even further to turn post-brexit Britiain into a tax haven economy, Corbyn is proposing to do the opposite and increase corporation tax rates so they're more in line with the rest of the developed world.
Defend Human Rights Theresa May has repeatedly expressed her intention to tear up Winston Churchill's finest legacy, the European Convention on Human Rights. Labour would oppose this Tory attack on our human rights.
Zero Hours Contracts ban Almost a million UK workers are now on exploitative Zero Hours Contracts. Last year the New Zealand parliament voted to ban them, and Labour is proposing to do the same. Long-term employees and workers doing regular hours would be protected from Zero Hours Contract exploitation.
Holding the Tories to account over Brexit Labour have said that they won't block Brexit, but they will seek to hold the Tories to account over it. A landslide Tory victory would be a disaster for the UK because it would allow Theresa May to pursue the most right-wing pro-corporate anti-worker Brexit possible with almost no democratic scrutiny. The only way to make sure the Tories don't push a fanatically right-wing Brexit on the nation is to ensure that there are plenty of opposition MPs to hold them to account.
Housebuilding Under the Tory government the level of UK housebuilding has slumped to the lowest levels since the 1920s, even though demand for housing is extremely high. Labour are guaranteeing to invest in a programme of housebuilding, and committing to ensure that half of the new houses are social housing. This wouldn't just alleviate the housing crisis, it would also stimulate the economy by increasing aggregate demand.
Combat inequality George Osborne's ideological austerity agenda resulted in the longest sustained decline in workers' wages since records began and condemned an additional 400,000 children to growing up in poverty, meanwhile the tiny super-rich majority literally doubled their wealth. Labour is pledging to reduce the inequality gap and introduce progressive policies to reduce the gap between the incomes of the highest and lowest paid. There is plenty of evidence to show that the least unequal societies are more economically successful places where the people are happier.
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Oct 14, 2018 17:05:00 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 17:05:00 GMT 1, You keep bringing up the Tories. This thread is about Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, not about the Tories. It's not "The Tories are bad at x, y and z so Corbyn is the great Messiah which we all love". It's a non sequitur. I think you will find the thread is about brexit, but congratulations on showing your ability to comprehend whats going on. And congratulations on not knowing what a non sequitur is...again.
You keep bringing up the Tories. This thread is about Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, not about the Tories. It's not "The Tories are bad at x, y and z so Corbyn is the great Messiah which we all love". It's a non sequitur. I think you will find the thread is about brexit, but congratulations on showing your ability to comprehend whats going on. And congratulations on not knowing what a non sequitur is...again.
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Oct 14, 2018 17:09:57 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 17:09:57 GMT 1, I thought this conversation was about Jeremy Corbyn and Labour. Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
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Ironically, some of these things that you think are good points are exactly the reason why I will not vote Labour at the next election.
I thought this conversation was about Jeremy Corbyn and Labour. Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
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Ironically, some of these things that you think are good points are exactly the reason why I will not vote Labour at the next election.
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Oct 14, 2018 17:52:30 GMT 1
Brexit, by Bill Hicks on Oct 14, 2018 17:52:30 GMT 1, Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
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Ironically, some of these things that you think are good points are exactly the reason why I will not vote Labour at the next election. May we politely ask which ones?
Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
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Ironically, some of these things that you think are good points are exactly the reason why I will not vote Labour at the next election. May we politely ask which ones?
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Oct 14, 2018 17:53:16 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Oct 14, 2018 17:53:16 GMT 1, I think you will find the thread is about brexit, but congratulations on showing your ability to comprehend whats going on. And congratulations on not knowing what a non sequitur is...again. i get what it is, your using it to cover up for talking shit is questionable though.
Anyway, carry on with not getting any of it. Its been pointless.
I think you will find the thread is about brexit, but congratulations on showing your ability to comprehend whats going on. And congratulations on not knowing what a non sequitur is...again. i get what it is, your using it to cover up for talking shit is questionable though. Anyway, carry on with not getting any of it. Its been pointless.
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Oct 14, 2018 18:02:57 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 14, 2018 18:02:57 GMT 1, Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
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Ironically, some of these things that you think are good points are exactly the reason why I will not vote Labour at the next election.
Maybe it’s time to bail as debate suggested on page five. He gets it and nobody else does.
Maybe this will help.
Labour Party policies
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Ironically, some of these things that you think are good points are exactly the reason why I will not vote Labour at the next election. Maybe it’s time to bail as debate suggested on page five. He gets it and nobody else does.
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Oct 14, 2018 18:16:27 GMT 1
Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Oct 14, 2018 18:16:27 GMT 1, Back on topic with a fine example of those 17m hard working, industrious and intelligent Brexiteers.
Back on topic with a fine example of those 17m hard working, industrious and intelligent Brexiteers.
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 14, 2018 18:21:32 GMT 1, Back on topic with a fine example of those 17m hard working, industrious and intelligent Brexiteers.
What’s wrong with straight bananas?
Back on topic with a fine example of those 17m hard working, industrious and intelligent Brexiteers. What’s wrong with straight bananas?
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Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Oct 14, 2018 18:43:40 GMT 1, What’s wrong with straight bananas? Straight bananas are not British bananas!
Or something
What’s wrong with straight bananas? Straight bananas are not British bananas! Or something
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Brexit, by .dappy on Oct 14, 2018 18:46:36 GMT 1, ... did you know that all bananas enter the country green and are only start the ripening process once in the country ... ... do we talk about cucumbers?
... what has the EU ever done for us?
... did you know that all bananas enter the country green and are only start the ripening process once in the country ... ... do we talk about cucumbers?
... what has the EU ever done for us?
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Oct 14, 2018 18:52:36 GMT 1
Brexit, by Pysgod on Oct 14, 2018 18:52:36 GMT 1, Roll on March
Roll on March
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 14, 2018 19:06:46 GMT 1,
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Oct 14, 2018 19:19:33 GMT 1,
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Dive Jedi
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Oct 14, 2018 19:20:53 GMT 1
Brexit, by Dive Jedi on Oct 14, 2018 19:20:53 GMT 1, ... did you know that all bananas enter the country green and are only start the ripening process once in the country ... ... do we talk about cucumbers? ... what has the EU ever done for us? So how do bananas know they are in UK ?
... did you know that all bananas enter the country green and are only start the ripening process once in the country ... ... do we talk about cucumbers? ... what has the EU ever done for us? So how do bananas know they are in UK ?
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 14, 2018 19:31:54 GMT 1, ... did you know that all bananas enter the country green and are only start the ripening process once in the country ... ... do we talk about cucumbers? ... what has the EU ever done for us?
They gave us straight cucumbers
... did you know that all bananas enter the country green and are only start the ripening process once in the country ... ... do we talk about cucumbers? ... what has the EU ever done for us? They gave us straight cucumbers
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Oct 14, 2018 19:33:49 GMT 1
Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Oct 14, 2018 19:33:49 GMT 1, I know. There have been a lot of these totally false scare stories published by the usual suspects over the years that were regurgitated for the referendum. But in the UK it is pretty much legal to publish what ever total nonsense you want as long as you then publish a (very tiny print) retraction some time after. I'd argue that Brexit isn't really the thing to be focusing on but rather press reform coupled with proper reform of the democratic system so that it is more transparent and more democratic. I am not holding my breath though.
I know. There have been a lot of these totally false scare stories published by the usual suspects over the years that were regurgitated for the referendum. But in the UK it is pretty much legal to publish what ever total nonsense you want as long as you then publish a (very tiny print) retraction some time after. I'd argue that Brexit isn't really the thing to be focusing on but rather press reform coupled with proper reform of the democratic system so that it is more transparent and more democratic. I am not holding my breath though.
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Oct 14, 2018 21:21:40 GMT 1,
The funny (or dramatic?) thing is that the very areas that have benefitted the most from EU transfers, are the ones that have voted leave the most...
... sometimes I feel like “let them eat cake”... and they probably will (even more than they are already) given how things have been going so far.
Some even blame the EU for the austerity drive, forgetting that the biggest sponsor of austerity measures all over the EU was Cameron’s incompetent government, and the Tory leading supporters of brexit...
The funny (or dramatic?) thing is that the very areas that have benefitted the most from EU transfers, are the ones that have voted leave the most... ... sometimes I feel like “let them eat cake”... and they probably will (even more than they are already) given how things have been going so far. Some even blame the EU for the austerity drive, forgetting that the biggest sponsor of austerity measures all over the EU was Cameron’s incompetent government, and the Tory leading supporters of brexit...
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Oct 15, 2018 10:32:14 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 10:32:14 GMT 1, I'm reminded of a story I read shortly after the Brexit vote. Cornwall voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU. After all the cheers and celebrations, someone at a local council meeting in Penzance asked their MP "er...when we do leave the EU, we will still get our large subsidy from Brussels each year, wont we?"
Some people get what they deserve.
I'm reminded of a story I read shortly after the Brexit vote. Cornwall voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU. After all the cheers and celebrations, someone at a local council meeting in Penzance asked their MP "er...when we do leave the EU, we will still get our large subsidy from Brussels each year, wont we?"
Some people get what they deserve.
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Brexit, by k2 on Oct 15, 2018 11:00:36 GMT 1, I'm reminded of a story I read shortly after the Brexit vote. Cornwall voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU. After all the cheers and celebrations, someone at a local council meeting in Penzance asked their MP "er...when we do leave the EU, we will still get our large subsidy from Brussels each year, wont we?" Some people get what they deserve. Not long after Brexit, I moved from Brighton (where you'd struggle to find a Brexit voter, or at least anyone who would admit to it), to Cornwall where something like 56% voted to Leave. At first I struggled to understand why that was - every new development seems to be part-funded by a significant EU grant (including a new university, an improved airport and better rail lines) and I'm writing this now from an exceedingly fast broadband connection that was funded by an EU initiative.
However, after being here a while, it's become a little more obvious why Cornwall voted to Leave.
1. 5 of our 6 local MPs were campaigning for Brexit and (crucially) repeatedly assured voters that funding levels would remain the same if Cornwall voted for Brexit. As with the other promises, of course this was a lie. The area of the county represented by the Remain-supporting MP, who wasn't spouting these lies, voted 53% in favour of remain.
2. Tourism and wealthy second-home owners aside, Cornwall is a comparatively poor area and has struggled with regulations imposed on its agricultural and fishing industries. The Leave campaign (down here at least) latched on to this, promising a paradise where farmers and fishermen could do what they do best without worrying about regulation and quotas imposed by Brussels (but failing to mention that funding provided by the EU that has helped to keep them afloat)
3. Frankly the Remain campaign seems to have been almost non existent down here, and failed to counteract the arguments made by Leave.
Since the vote, and the unravelling of many of the lies spun by the Leave campaign, the tide has turned somewhat. Polls in April showed that Cornish voters were more likely to have changed their mind than the rest of the country, and a YouGov poll showed that a majority of voters in the SW support a 'people's vote' on Brexit, and a new referendum if no deal is made.
As with most of your points on the topic, "Some people get what they deserve" is over-simplistic.
I'm reminded of a story I read shortly after the Brexit vote. Cornwall voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU. After all the cheers and celebrations, someone at a local council meeting in Penzance asked their MP "er...when we do leave the EU, we will still get our large subsidy from Brussels each year, wont we?" Some people get what they deserve. Not long after Brexit, I moved from Brighton (where you'd struggle to find a Brexit voter, or at least anyone who would admit to it), to Cornwall where something like 56% voted to Leave. At first I struggled to understand why that was - every new development seems to be part-funded by a significant EU grant (including a new university, an improved airport and better rail lines) and I'm writing this now from an exceedingly fast broadband connection that was funded by an EU initiative. However, after being here a while, it's become a little more obvious why Cornwall voted to Leave. 1. 5 of our 6 local MPs were campaigning for Brexit and (crucially) repeatedly assured voters that funding levels would remain the same if Cornwall voted for Brexit. As with the other promises, of course this was a lie. The area of the county represented by the Remain-supporting MP, who wasn't spouting these lies, voted 53% in favour of remain. 2. Tourism and wealthy second-home owners aside, Cornwall is a comparatively poor area and has struggled with regulations imposed on its agricultural and fishing industries. The Leave campaign (down here at least) latched on to this, promising a paradise where farmers and fishermen could do what they do best without worrying about regulation and quotas imposed by Brussels (but failing to mention that funding provided by the EU that has helped to keep them afloat) 3. Frankly the Remain campaign seems to have been almost non existent down here, and failed to counteract the arguments made by Leave. Since the vote, and the unravelling of many of the lies spun by the Leave campaign, the tide has turned somewhat. Polls in April showed that Cornish voters were more likely to have changed their mind than the rest of the country, and a YouGov poll showed that a majority of voters in the SW support a 'people's vote' on Brexit, and a new referendum if no deal is made. As with most of your points on the topic, "Some people get what they deserve" is over-simplistic.
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Brexit, by Coach on Oct 15, 2018 11:59:28 GMT 1, I'm reminded of a story I read shortly after the Brexit vote. Cornwall voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU. After all the cheers and celebrations, someone at a local council meeting in Penzance asked their MP "er...when we do leave the EU, we will still get our large subsidy from Brussels each year, wont we?" Some people get what they deserve. Not long after Brexit, I moved from Brighton (where you'd struggle to find a Brexit voter, or at least anyone who would admit to it), to Cornwall where something like 56% voted to Leave. At first I struggled to understand why that was - every new development seems to be part-funded by a significant EU grant (including a new university, an improved airport and better rail lines) and I'm writing this now from an exceedingly fast broadband connection that was funded by an EU initiative. However, after being here a while, it's become a little more obvious why Cornwall voted to Leave. 1. 5 our of 6 local MPs were campaigning for Brexit and (crucially) repeatedly assured voters that funding levels would remain the same if Cornwall voted for Brexit. As with the other promises, of course this was a lie. The area of the country represented by the Remain-supporting MP, who wasn't spouting these lies, voted 53% in favour of remain. 2. Tourism and wealthy second-home owners aside, Cornwall is a comparatively poor area and has struggled with regulations imposed on its agricultural and fishing industries. The Leave campaign (down here at least) latched on to this, promising a paradise where farmers and fishermen could do what they do best without worrying about regulation and quotas imposed by Brussels (but failing to mention that funding provided by the EU that has helped to keep them afloat) 3. Frankly the Remain campaign seems to have been almost non existent down here, and failed to counteract the arguments made by Leave. Since the vote, and the unravelling of many of the lies spun by the Leave campaign, the tide has turned somewhat. Polls in April showed that Cornish voters were more likely to have changed their mind than the rest of the country, and a YouGov poll showed that a majority of voters in the SW support a 'people's vote' on Brexit, and a new referendum if no deal is made. As with most of your points on the topic, "Some people get what they deserve" is over-simplistic.
Interesting read thank you. I could never understand why Cornwall was so much in favour of leaving.
I'm reminded of a story I read shortly after the Brexit vote. Cornwall voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU. After all the cheers and celebrations, someone at a local council meeting in Penzance asked their MP "er...when we do leave the EU, we will still get our large subsidy from Brussels each year, wont we?" Some people get what they deserve. Not long after Brexit, I moved from Brighton (where you'd struggle to find a Brexit voter, or at least anyone who would admit to it), to Cornwall where something like 56% voted to Leave. At first I struggled to understand why that was - every new development seems to be part-funded by a significant EU grant (including a new university, an improved airport and better rail lines) and I'm writing this now from an exceedingly fast broadband connection that was funded by an EU initiative. However, after being here a while, it's become a little more obvious why Cornwall voted to Leave. 1. 5 our of 6 local MPs were campaigning for Brexit and (crucially) repeatedly assured voters that funding levels would remain the same if Cornwall voted for Brexit. As with the other promises, of course this was a lie. The area of the country represented by the Remain-supporting MP, who wasn't spouting these lies, voted 53% in favour of remain. 2. Tourism and wealthy second-home owners aside, Cornwall is a comparatively poor area and has struggled with regulations imposed on its agricultural and fishing industries. The Leave campaign (down here at least) latched on to this, promising a paradise where farmers and fishermen could do what they do best without worrying about regulation and quotas imposed by Brussels (but failing to mention that funding provided by the EU that has helped to keep them afloat) 3. Frankly the Remain campaign seems to have been almost non existent down here, and failed to counteract the arguments made by Leave. Since the vote, and the unravelling of many of the lies spun by the Leave campaign, the tide has turned somewhat. Polls in April showed that Cornish voters were more likely to have changed their mind than the rest of the country, and a YouGov poll showed that a majority of voters in the SW support a 'people's vote' on Brexit, and a new referendum if no deal is made. As with most of your points on the topic, "Some people get what they deserve" is over-simplistic. Interesting read thank you. I could never understand why Cornwall was so much in favour of leaving.
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