nobokov
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by nobokov on Dec 28, 2018 17:52:21 GMT 1, Ah I see. Definitely agree that edition sizes should be stated and rigid from the get go. Have you evidence that this hasn't been the case? There are loads of snippets of info here in old threads of extra prints , along the years info is some are held back for shows , some held back for print damage , now 10% kept for pp , same percentage applies to test press and aps? I have had quite a few test press pieces but not numbered ? Are the screens kept after printing ? Just for example many bought enpoint for way over cost after release not knowing then 10% pp would be released later then there were aps and test prints of the same edition at vault sales just started around the same time the release year All I'm asking if on a release of a edition if sold out the amount of all other prints of the same print whether being pp,ap,tt is released to the public they can choose to contact gp, wait for vault sales or eBay saves overpaying on eBay ๐And if a buyer still would like to buy as each new edition generally increases in amount Personally, I prefer the mystique of not knowing exactly the inventory remaining. I have a feeling that prints wouldn't appreciate as much if everyone could see the exact number remaining at all times. If you could see the inventory, I bet the prints would sell out much slower like how prints sat on POW forever.
Ah I see. Definitely agree that edition sizes should be stated and rigid from the get go. Have you evidence that this hasn't been the case? There are loads of snippets of info here in old threads of extra prints , along the years info is some are held back for shows , some held back for print damage , now 10% kept for pp , same percentage applies to test press and aps? I have had quite a few test press pieces but not numbered ? Are the screens kept after printing ? Just for example many bought enpoint for way over cost after release not knowing then 10% pp would be released later then there were aps and test prints of the same edition at vault sales just started around the same time the release year All I'm asking if on a release of a edition if sold out the amount of all other prints of the same print whether being pp,ap,tt is released to the public they can choose to contact gp, wait for vault sales or eBay saves overpaying on eBay ๐And if a buyer still would like to buy as each new edition generally increases in amount Personally, I prefer the mystique of not knowing exactly the inventory remaining. I have a feeling that prints wouldn't appreciate as much if everyone could see the exact number remaining at all times. If you could see the inventory, I bet the prints would sell out much slower like how prints sat on POW forever.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 18:18:26 GMT 1, James Wade got beat if anyone interested in darts results.
James Wade got beat if anyone interested in darts results.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 28, 2018 19:02:43 GMT 1, urbanartassociation.com/thread/119333/martin-whatson-pointe-print-release?page=12Practice what you preach ? There' are many more questionable practices you have conducted , only posting as example as you keep making such a point about the stickers ? Your business so you do as you please , you have many happy customers and a few that will question, that's life, nothing is plain sailing . Your printing is great and post and packing prompt and safe , I only questioned editions as a collector like to collect Rare limited items . I am sure if banksy collectors were to find out later more prints released at later dates they would be annoyed , not comparing any artists in your stable to banksy yet๐And the forum is here to discuss questions ,points , theories?
Speaking of banksy how do you know there aren't note prints then is advertised? Are you questioning him too?
urbanartassociation.com/thread/119333/martin-whatson-pointe-print-release?page=12Practice what you preach ? There' are many more questionable practices you have conducted , only posting as example as you keep making such a point about the stickers ? Your business so you do as you please , you have many happy customers and a few that will question, that's life, nothing is plain sailing . Your printing is great and post and packing prompt and safe , I only questioned editions as a collector like to collect Rare limited items . I am sure if banksy collectors were to find out later more prints released at later dates they would be annoyed , not comparing any artists in your stable to banksy yet๐And the forum is here to discuss questions ,points , theories? Speaking of banksy how do you know there aren't note prints then is advertised? Are you questioning him too?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 28, 2018 19:06:39 GMT 1, What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐
I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting...
What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐
I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting...
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 28, 2018 19:32:52 GMT 1, What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting... ๐No need to play games just say how it is , discussion and debate with quotes by the other concerned, all civil here , bit more fun for others to read ๐ it's like saying all people that praise gp are one account ?some people do have differing opinions wrong or right . It's grown men discussing prints and stickers ๐ณ๐and to confirm only one account ๐
What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting... ๐No need to play games just say how it is , discussion and debate with quotes by the other concerned, all civil here , bit more fun for others to read ๐ it's like saying all people that praise gp are one account ?some people do have differing opinions wrong or right . It's grown men discussing prints and stickers ๐ณ๐and to confirm only one account ๐
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dankart
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April 2016
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by dankart on Dec 28, 2018 20:49:07 GMT 1, GP is the worst. Hands down. Great for getting initial releases with endless meat on the bone.
Zero transparency. They even attempt to purchase eBay flips in a pathetic attempt to cancel orders. They have no problem flipping themselves, however.
Always keep your real info hidden through eBay.
GP is the worst. Hands down. Great for getting initial releases with endless meat on the bone.
Zero transparency. They even attempt to purchase eBay flips in a pathetic attempt to cancel orders. They have no problem flipping themselves, however.
Always keep your real info hidden through eBay.
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Redbirds
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Redbirds on Dec 28, 2018 20:50:11 GMT 1, GP is the worst. Hands down. Great for getting initial releases with endless meat on the bone. Zero transparency. They even attempt to purchase eBay flips in a pathetic attempt to cancel orders. They have no problem flipping themselves, however. Always keep your real info hidden through eBay.
I smell a hurt butt
GP is the worst. Hands down. Great for getting initial releases with endless meat on the bone. Zero transparency. They even attempt to purchase eBay flips in a pathetic attempt to cancel orders. They have no problem flipping themselves, however. Always keep your real info hidden through eBay. I smell a hurt butt
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bentheartfan
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by bentheartfan on Dec 28, 2018 21:03:50 GMT 1, Oy. I like many GP produced prints, and have purchased from them. GP has always been good to deal with. This thread has gone on too long !
Oy. I like many GP produced prints, and have purchased from them. GP has always been good to deal with. This thread has gone on too long !
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Dive Jedi
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Dive Jedi on Dec 28, 2018 21:12:22 GMT 1, GP is the worst. Hands down. Great for getting initial releases with endless meat on the bone. Zero transparency. They even attempt to purchase eBay flips in a pathetic attempt to cancel orders. They have no problem flipping themselves, however. Always keep your real info hidden through eBay. WoW! Complaing about "Zero transparency"
and "Always keep your real info hidden through eBay." in one post.
You must have straight A's in hypocracyโฆ.
GP is the worst. Hands down. Great for getting initial releases with endless meat on the bone. Zero transparency. They even attempt to purchase eBay flips in a pathetic attempt to cancel orders. They have no problem flipping themselves, however. Always keep your real info hidden through eBay. WoW! Complaing about " Zero transparency" and " Always keep your real info hidden through eBay." in one post. You must have straight A's in hypocracyโฆ.
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kalm
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by kalm on Dec 28, 2018 22:46:33 GMT 1, I kinda like GrafittiPrints...theyโve always treated me like a Gentleman and even toss in freebies with $500+
Yeah. I wouldnโt pay these newest prices but I have in the past (lower vault pricing).
Itโs all culminating to the bubble bursting in 2019. Me thinks.
I kinda like GrafittiPrints...theyโve always treated me like a Gentleman and even toss in freebies with $500+
Yeah. I wouldnโt pay these newest prices but I have in the past (lower vault pricing).
Itโs all culminating to the bubble bursting in 2019. Me thinks.
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Masong
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Masong on Dec 28, 2018 22:59:25 GMT 1, I kinda like GrafittiPrints...theyโve always treated me like a Gentleman and even toss in freebies with $500+ Yeah. I wouldnโt pay these newest prices but I have in the past (lower vault pricing). Itโs all culminating to the bubble bursting in 2019. Me thinks.
Kalm before the storm
I kinda like GrafittiPrints...theyโve always treated me like a Gentleman and even toss in freebies with $500+ Yeah. I wouldnโt pay these newest prices but I have in the past (lower vault pricing). Itโs all culminating to the bubble bursting in 2019. Me thinks. Kalm before the storm
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Hairbland
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Hairbland on Dec 29, 2018 13:02:13 GMT 1, It would seem since many โgalleriesโ that offer prints are readily able to ship a new one if damaged etc (often with same number) that an amount of maybe signed but not otherwise marked prints are made, then filed away. My guess is many of these, if not needed at time of release, later become โfoundโ, โvaultโ or other and are offered at times when strong sales and cash flow are appreciated- such as around the holidays when purchasing can be more impulsive.
It would seem since many โgalleriesโ that offer prints are readily able to ship a new one if damaged etc (often with same number) that an amount of maybe signed but not otherwise marked prints are made, then filed away. My guess is many of these, if not needed at time of release, later become โfoundโ, โvaultโ or other and are offered at times when strong sales and cash flow are appreciated- such as around the holidays when purchasing can be more impulsive.
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 29, 2018 14:12:59 GMT 1, % of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation
Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice
Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over .
Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐
To cover damage 10-25%
Aps 10%
Pp 10%
Test proofs 10%
Final edition 1 print
% of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation
Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice
Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over .
Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐
To cover damage 10-25%
Aps 10%
Pp 10%
Test proofs 10%
Final edition 1 print
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dogstar
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by dogstar on Dec 29, 2018 14:33:32 GMT 1, % of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over . Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐ To cover damage 10-25% Aps 10% Pp 10% Test proofs 10% Final edition 1 print The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for HC's (more commonly known as 'display prints') though these should never, ever be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
% of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over . Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐ To cover damage 10-25% Aps 10% Pp 10% Test proofs 10% Final edition 1 print The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for HC's (more commonly known as 'display prints') though these should never, ever be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
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mushi
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by mushi on Dec 29, 2018 16:45:43 GMT 1, % of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over . Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐ To cover damage 10-25% Aps 10% Pp 10% Test proofs 10% Final edition 1 print The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
I agree with this and i would add those are nowadays rules. In early days of fine art printing, A/P and P/P were never, or very rarely, numbered.
% of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over . Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐ To cover damage 10-25% Aps 10% Pp 10% Test proofs 10% Final edition 1 print The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
I agree with this and i would add those are nowadays rules. In early days of fine art printing, A/P and P/P were never, or very rarely, numbered.
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christiangul
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by christiangul on Dec 29, 2018 17:17:59 GMT 1, The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
Finally this thread is getting somewhere!
Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep?
GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here.....................
The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here.....................
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dogstar
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by dogstar on Dec 29, 2018 17:28:11 GMT 1, % of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over . Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐ To cover damage 10-25% Aps 10% Pp 10% Test proofs 10% Final edition 1 print The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
I neglected to mention Insurance Prints, which are generally produced within a ratio of 10% of the edition.
These prints should only ever be used as replacements in the event of damage to a previously numbered print, obviously using the same number, with the damaged print being destroyed.
Unfortunately, many so-called galleries/print houses/publishers sell these too.
% of extra prints produced per total Edition Figures from guide from the internet , hang up gallery also has a little explanation Galleries can produce more or less than figures quoted This is common practice Most galleries just hold back aps to cover damage then sell if any left over . Potentially an extra 50% prints can be added to a regular edition๐ To cover damage 10-25% Aps 10% Pp 10% Test proofs 10% Final edition 1 print The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
I neglected to mention Insurance Prints, which are generally produced within a ratio of 10% of the edition.
These prints should only ever be used as replacements in the event of damage to a previously numbered print, obviously using the same number, with the damaged print being destroyed.
Unfortunately, many so-called galleries/print houses/publishers sell these too.
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dogstar
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October 2017
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by dogstar on Dec 29, 2018 17:40:00 GMT 1, The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here..................... To be fair, it's not just GP who act completely without integrity in releasing untold numbers of unnumbered prints.
Notable artists and galleries rinsing customers include Eelus, Pure Evil, Eine, Harland Miller, Chris Levine (whose recent print I returned as it wasn't numbered) Jealous, Art Republic, and of course Graffiti Prints.
Why people buy unnumbered copies of identical but numbered prints is completely beyond me, they're paying limited edition money for open edition prints.
The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here..................... To be fair, it's not just GP who act completely without integrity in releasing untold numbers of unnumbered prints.
Notable artists and galleries rinsing customers include Eelus, Pure Evil, Eine, Harland Miller, Chris Levine (whose recent print I returned as it wasn't numbered) Jealous, Art Republic, and of course Graffiti Prints.
Why people buy unnumbered copies of identical but numbered prints is completely beyond me, they're paying limited edition money for open edition prints.
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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 29, 2018 18:06:54 GMT 1, What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting...
Oh I'm here. It's nice to see people asking questions instead of attacking me on my question on why aren't they numbered. The percentages don't add up and it would be nice to know exactly what was sent. I mean it's simple to just tell us an exact number but it seems like that's not happening. Snik above said they have thrown out so many prints so obviously this means they print overages. I can't imagine too many prints don't pass the test and even if they didn't, isn't that a printers proof? So how many are given to us? Simple answer.
What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting... Oh I'm here. It's nice to see people asking questions instead of attacking me on my question on why aren't they numbered. The percentages don't add up and it would be nice to know exactly what was sent. I mean it's simple to just tell us an exact number but it seems like that's not happening. Snik above said they have thrown out so many prints so obviously this means they print overages. I can't imagine too many prints don't pass the test and even if they didn't, isn't that a printers proof? So how many are given to us? Simple answer.
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 29, 2018 18:43:38 GMT 1, What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting... Oh I'm here. It's nice to see people asking questions instead of attacking me on my question on why aren't they numbered. The percentages don't add up and it would be nice to know exactly what was sent. I mean it's simple to just tell us an exact number but it seems like that's not happening. Snik above said they have thrown out so many prints so obviously this means they print overages. I can't imagine too many prints don't pass the test and even if they didn't, isn't that a printers proof? So how many are given to us? Simple answer.
They keep a spreadsheet of all copies and numbers so easily done ?
ok i feel the need to post my response, this was my email to him about the other thread. i wrote it and sent it and then seen this thread. email still applies, i waited before posting hoping the original poster of the emails would post it. hi just saw your thread on UUA when i got up at 7.30am. i will not respond on an internet forum. i can not understand why when we said we could replace your print with a spare this triggered you to question how many spares we had and say as I'd imagine there to be the edition, a few A/P's and P/P'S.. 99.9% of our customers would just be happy we can replace it. so that points to me you do not trust our integrity that we never over produce our work, also the artist too as they have to sign every print. if we are selling limited editions to people and they do not trust the edition and spares why are they buying from us? its a fair question why are you buying from us if you don't trust us? you spent ยฃ500 on that print, a good amount of money? we take the number and allocate an email, name and addresses to every piece we sell and place them into spreadsheets for each work inc all p/p and a/p. so we have very accurate records for the future, we are not the old pow numbering prints as we sell and causing chaos in the future so banksy had to set up pest control to sweep up the mess. we take it very seriously, we have all invoices for the prints etc with exact numbers we ordered. we issue coa and re issue free to customers if the records match up to our spreadsheets. we do this as i learned the lessons from buying from pow, graffiti prints is based on pow, but based on black rat press more. they made great prints, complicated etc, packed them in great tubes etc and did it properly. i was always into what they did and when they left the business i thought there was a big hole so i opened graffiti prints to fill it. so yesterday when you questioned and implied - i'd imagine there to be the edition, a few AP's and PP's it annoyed me greatly as we do it properly. i think you should return the print for a full refund or sell it etc, but if you can not trust us then yes 100% don't buy from us. giancarlo
What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting... Oh I'm here. It's nice to see people asking questions instead of attacking me on my question on why aren't they numbered. The percentages don't add up and it would be nice to know exactly what was sent. I mean it's simple to just tell us an exact number but it seems like that's not happening. Snik above said they have thrown out so many prints so obviously this means they print overages. I can't imagine too many prints don't pass the test and even if they didn't, isn't that a printers proof? So how many are given to us? Simple answer. They keep a spreadsheet of all copies and numbers so easily done ? ok i feel the need to post my response, this was my email to him about the other thread. i wrote it and sent it and then seen this thread. email still applies, i waited before posting hoping the original poster of the emails would post it. hi just saw your thread on UUA when i got up at 7.30am. i will not respond on an internet forum. i can not understand why when we said we could replace your print with a spare this triggered you to question how many spares we had and say as I'd imagine there to be the edition, a few A/P's and P/P'S.. 99.9% of our customers would just be happy we can replace it. so that points to me you do not trust our integrity that we never over produce our work, also the artist too as they have to sign every print. if we are selling limited editions to people and they do not trust the edition and spares why are they buying from us? its a fair question why are you buying from us if you don't trust us? you spent ยฃ500 on that print, a good amount of money? we take the number and allocate an email, name and addresses to every piece we sell and place them into spreadsheets for each work inc all p/p and a/p. so we have very accurate records for the future, we are not the old pow numbering prints as we sell and causing chaos in the future so banksy had to set up pest control to sweep up the mess. we take it very seriously, we have all invoices for the prints etc with exact numbers we ordered. we issue coa and re issue free to customers if the records match up to our spreadsheets. we do this as i learned the lessons from buying from pow, graffiti prints is based on pow, but based on black rat press more. they made great prints, complicated etc, packed them in great tubes etc and did it properly. i was always into what they did and when they left the business i thought there was a big hole so i opened graffiti prints to fill it. so yesterday when you questioned and implied - i'd imagine there to be the edition, a few AP's and PP's it annoyed me greatly as we do it properly. i think you should return the print for a full refund or sell it etc, but if you can not trust us then yes 100% don't buy from us. giancarlo
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 29, 2018 18:54:33 GMT 1, Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here..................... To be fair, it's not just GP who act completely without integrity in releasing untold numbers of unnumbered prints.
Notable artists and galleries rinsing customers include Eelus, Pure Evil, Eine, Harland Miller, Chris Levine (whose recent print I returned as it wasn't numbered) Jealous, Art Republic, and of course Graffiti Prints.
Why people buy unnumbered copies of identical but numbered prints is completely beyond me, they're paying limited edition money for open edition prints.
I think this forum attracts more than the average print collector as most that visit this forum have a passion for collecting whether that be hoarding or OCD in some cases ๐As most here buy at each release from gp and a lot of clients for gp frequent this site think that's why a lot of questions are directed towards them although other galleries may practice the same
People that just get into collecting would find a pp unnumbered more appealing thinking that they are rare and a variant and only one or two produced so will pay a premium cost to attain, hence being unnumbered fuels this perception .
Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here..................... To be fair, it's not just GP who act completely without integrity in releasing untold numbers of unnumbered prints.
Notable artists and galleries rinsing customers include Eelus, Pure Evil, Eine, Harland Miller, Chris Levine (whose recent print I returned as it wasn't numbered) Jealous, Art Republic, and of course Graffiti Prints.
Why people buy unnumbered copies of identical but numbered prints is completely beyond me, they're paying limited edition money for open edition prints.
I think this forum attracts more than the average print collector as most that visit this forum have a passion for collecting whether that be hoarding or OCD in some cases ๐As most here buy at each release from gp and a lot of clients for gp frequent this site think that's why a lot of questions are directed towards them although other galleries may practice the same People that just get into collecting would find a pp unnumbered more appealing thinking that they are rare and a variant and only one or two produced so will pay a premium cost to attain, hence being unnumbered fuels this perception .
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 29, 2018 18:55:57 GMT 1, The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here.....................
It's all been asked many times in many threads in a round about way
one of the main reasons of many to start GP was the smoke and mirrors in the market, i felt the need for a quality outfit that make's s**t hot prints at good prices that people could trust that was for everyone, not the connected few. just like pow, blackratpress of old and souldoutstudios back in the day, with only SOS still rocking the original concept strong. i wont even mention the smoke and mirrors in the secondary market that's why we steer clear of it on GP, only obey is bought in to re sell, i would not touch a banksy for example. we value trust highly, its my no.1 thing with all artists. they are giving me images to reproduce and i take my responsibilities very seriously for lots of reasons. if there is a lack of trust before we print for an artist we don't print simple, as in my experience it will not be successful. same with collectors trust is very important, i would never buy from somewhere i did not trust. [bra
The above is not true of print houses/publishers with integrity.
AP's (Artist Proofs) shouldn't number more than 10% of the regular edition size, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
PP's (Printers Proofs) should be strictly limited to the number of printers working on the edition, and should always be numbered as they form part of the edition.
TP's (Test Proofs) will amount to however many are required before production of the edition begins. TP's do not require numbering as they do not form part of an edition. The same goes for BAT's (more commonly known as 'display prints', though these should never be sold.
No matter how certain galleries and artists dress it up, there are no good reasons whatsoever to not number AP's and PP's, only bad reasons.
Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here..................... It's all been asked many times in many threads in a round about way one of the main reasons of many to start GP was the smoke and mirrors in the market, i felt the need for a quality outfit that make's s**t hot prints at good prices that people could trust that was for everyone, not the connected few. just like pow, blackratpress of old and souldoutstudios back in the day, with only SOS still rocking the original concept strong. i wont even mention the smoke and mirrors in the secondary market that's why we steer clear of it on GP, only obey is bought in to re sell, i would not touch a banksy for example. we value trust highly, its my no.1 thing with all artists. they are giving me images to reproduce and i take my responsibilities very seriously for lots of reasons. if there is a lack of trust before we print for an artist we don't print simple, as in my experience it will not be successful. same with collectors trust is very important, i would never buy from somewhere i did not trust. [bra
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Winks on Dec 29, 2018 19:06:24 GMT 1, Your obsession with this might be more credible had you not been called out for dodgy Ebay dealing by GP. Unfortunately this all looks like sour grapes
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Your obsession with this might be more credible had you not been called out for dodgy Ebay dealing by GP. Unfortunately this all looks like sour grapes
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 29, 2018 19:31:40 GMT 1, Your obsession with this might be more credible had you not been called out for dodgy Ebay dealing by GP. Unfortunately this all looks like sour grapes ๐ [
It's not my word it's facts and quotes directly hence old threads
In no way were they sold or described as by the artist , he blew it way out of proportion and was quite rude , whatson was polite and emailed me directly after he made a fuss and explained
No point calling names and making accusations just using facts and quotes directly by him have many private emails but they are private and not for an open forum , I could just state my thoughts but that means nothing and past threads are factual.
repeat one last time
Sold stickers as many others have and did not portray to be original canvases . He got upset as he was selling canvases at the time for ยฃ1000 and this would ruin his sales .they were not signed mounted canvases , and whatson does not produce unsigned canvases in mini form any way They were hand sprayed on paper with a sticker black listed at 99p , every single whatson piece on eBay has always been listed starting price 20% over cost so far from he portrays , And they were not the dimensions he produces and all facts put up , He expects people to forgive copying and gaining financially from another artist over the enpoint issue and other business sales questionable but always has anger brings up these stickers ?
He has done the same and worse and keeps bringing it up so will do the same without name calling .he got angry because I asked a question about prints numbers ages ago as now many more people are noticing and asking the same ?
Your obsession with this might be more credible had you not been called out for dodgy Ebay dealing by GP. Unfortunately this all looks like sour grapes ๐ [ It's not my word it's facts and quotes directly hence old threads In no way were they sold or described as by the artist , he blew it way out of proportion and was quite rude , whatson was polite and emailed me directly after he made a fuss and explained No point calling names and making accusations just using facts and quotes directly by him have many private emails but they are private and not for an open forum , I could just state my thoughts but that means nothing and past threads are factual. repeat one last time Sold stickers as many others have and did not portray to be original canvases . He got upset as he was selling canvases at the time for ยฃ1000 and this would ruin his sales .they were not signed mounted canvases , and whatson does not produce unsigned canvases in mini form any way They were hand sprayed on paper with a sticker black listed at 99p , every single whatson piece on eBay has always been listed starting price 20% over cost so far from he portrays , And they were not the dimensions he produces and all facts put up , He expects people to forgive copying and gaining financially from another artist over the enpoint issue and other business sales questionable but always has anger brings up these stickers ? He has done the same and worse and keeps bringing it up so will do the same without name calling .he got angry because I asked a question about prints numbers ages ago as now many more people are noticing and asking the same ?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by .dappy on Dec 29, 2018 19:37:23 GMT 1, ... tab1 you are starting to embarrass yourself ... you've repeated the same 'issues' over and over again on multiple threads ...
'repeat one last time'
... let's hope so ....
... tab1 you are starting to embarrass yourself ... you've repeated the same 'issues' over and over again on multiple threads ... 'repeat one last time' ... let's hope so ....
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 29, 2018 19:37:33 GMT 1, What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting... Oh I'm here. It's nice to see people asking questions instead of attacking me on my question on why aren't they numbered. The percentages don't add up and it would be nice to know exactly what was sent. I mean it's simple to just tell us an exact number but it seems like that's not happening. Snik above said they have thrown out so many prints so obviously this means they print overages. I can't imagine too many prints don't pass the test and even if they didn't, isn't that a printers proof? So how many are given to us? Simple answer.
So wait bow you want to know how many were destroyed and thrown out?
I'll ask a simple question. For every print you collect do you know the exact number made?
What happened to ransacked99? Seems tab1 went back to his OG username ๐๐๐๐ I have posted this before but I ve always wondered how much the original artist if the en pointe ended up getting... Oh I'm here. It's nice to see people asking questions instead of attacking me on my question on why aren't they numbered. The percentages don't add up and it would be nice to know exactly what was sent. I mean it's simple to just tell us an exact number but it seems like that's not happening. Snik above said they have thrown out so many prints so obviously this means they print overages. I can't imagine too many prints don't pass the test and even if they didn't, isn't that a printers proof? So how many are given to us? Simple answer. So wait bow you want to know how many were destroyed and thrown out? I'll ask a simple question. For every print you collect do you know the exact number made?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 29, 2018 19:38:57 GMT 1, Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here..................... To be fair, it's not just GP who act completely without integrity in releasing untold numbers of unnumbered prints.
Notable artists and galleries rinsing customers include Eelus, Pure Evil, Eine, Harland Miller, Chris Levine (whose recent print I returned as it wasn't numbered) Jealous, Art Republic, and of course Graffiti Prints.
Why people buy unnumbered copies of identical but numbered prints is completely beyond me, they're paying limited edition money for open edition prints.
How are they open edition?
Unknown edition to you but not open.
Finally this thread is getting somewhere! Then some important questions would be; 1. Why doesn't GP number their AP's and PP's? 2. Why doesn't GP answer the questions of how many they keep? GP seems to be more interested in answering everything else than question 2 that has been asked several times here..................... To be fair, it's not just GP who act completely without integrity in releasing untold numbers of unnumbered prints.
Notable artists and galleries rinsing customers include Eelus, Pure Evil, Eine, Harland Miller, Chris Levine (whose recent print I returned as it wasn't numbered) Jealous, Art Republic, and of course Graffiti Prints.
Why people buy unnumbered copies of identical but numbered prints is completely beyond me, they're paying limited edition money for open edition prints.
How are they open edition? Unknown edition to you but not open.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 29, 2018 19:41:38 GMT 1, ... tab1 you are starting to embarrass yourself ... you've repeated the same 'issues' over and over again on multiple threads ... 'repeat one last time' ... let's hope so ....
I will bow out now ๐One last time post a pic of Er to end the thread๐
... tab1 you are starting to embarrass yourself ... you've repeated the same 'issues' over and over again on multiple threads ... 'repeat one last time' ... let's hope so .... I will bow out now ๐One last time post a pic of Er to end the thread๐
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Ottomatik on Dec 29, 2018 19:57:20 GMT 1, I have always had great dealings with GP. Iโve missed a few prints upon release over the years that I wanted. But such is life, we canโt win them all.
Iโm glad they keep a few for vault Sales. Even though most are out of my price range...it gives people that can afford the chance to purchase prints from source instead of some questionable eBay seller.
It seems the ones that are angry about the vault sales care more about it decreasing the value of the prints they own.
Why does it always have to turn into a money thing? Canโt you just be happy with the print and not be concerned about itโs value?
I have always had great dealings with GP. Iโve missed a few prints upon release over the years that I wanted. But such is life, we canโt win them all.
Iโm glad they keep a few for vault Sales. Even though most are out of my price range...it gives people that can afford the chance to purchase prints from source instead of some questionable eBay seller.
It seems the ones that are angry about the vault sales care more about it decreasing the value of the prints they own.
Why does it always have to turn into a money thing? Canโt you just be happy with the print and not be concerned about itโs value?
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