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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Peter Bengtsen on Jan 6, 2019 16:11:41 GMT 1, Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself. This comment you just made is beyond wrong: "Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen" For the love of God, did you not take grade 5 Math as a kid? 10% (of whatever the run is) is a fixed number!! So if the run is 175, you can count on up to 17.5 AP's and PP's. Get it? Maybe they print 5 PP's and 12 AP's. Every print run is different, so the number of AP's and PP's will change. They would naturally keep most for damage replacements etc, and then decide what to do with the rest. So in this case, they do a "vault" sale, and sell them. And yes, some printmakers # their AP's and PP's, but from what I've seen MOST actually don't! I have a ton of AP prints marked "AP" only. So GP isn't doing anything wrong here either (IMO). Maybe time to give it a rest fellas?!
Your hypothetical example is a good illustration of why percentages are not an accurate way of determining the number of AP and PP prints related to a regular print edition.
While 17.5 may be a number, it is not a whole number. In your example, it is therefore not clear whether 17 or 18 AP and PP prints would be made.
Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself. This comment you just made is beyond wrong: "Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen" For the love of God, did you not take grade 5 Math as a kid? 10% (of whatever the run is) is a fixed number!! So if the run is 175, you can count on up to 17.5 AP's and PP's. Get it? Maybe they print 5 PP's and 12 AP's. Every print run is different, so the number of AP's and PP's will change. They would naturally keep most for damage replacements etc, and then decide what to do with the rest. So in this case, they do a "vault" sale, and sell them. And yes, some printmakers # their AP's and PP's, but from what I've seen MOST actually don't! I have a ton of AP prints marked "AP" only. So GP isn't doing anything wrong here either (IMO). Maybe time to give it a rest fellas?! Your hypothetical example is a good illustration of why percentages are not an accurate way of determining the number of AP and PP prints related to a regular print edition.
While 17.5 may be a number, it is not a whole number. In your example, it is therefore not clear whether 17 or 18 AP and PP prints would be made.
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nighthawk
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by nighthawk on Jan 6, 2019 16:46:57 GMT 1, Hey Peter!
Yeah, I get that point, but I still don't think there's only "one way" to decide on the number of AP's per print edition. So I don't have a problem with GP saying "up to 10% of the run", and then allocating them as they see fit.
Hey Peter!
Yeah, I get that point, but I still don't think there's only "one way" to decide on the number of AP's per print edition. So I don't have a problem with GP saying "up to 10% of the run", and then allocating them as they see fit.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 6, 2019 16:53:27 GMT 1, Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ? Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself.
Saying APs and pps are 10% of the regular edition is a fixed number. Simple math skills can figure it out.
Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ? Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself. Saying APs and pps are 10% of the regular edition is a fixed number. Simple math skills can figure it out.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 6, 2019 16:56:42 GMT 1, This comment you just made is beyond wrong: "Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen" For the love of God, did you not take grade 5 Math as a kid? 10% (of whatever the run is) is a fixed number!! So if the run is 175, you can count on up to 17.5 AP's and PP's. Get it? Maybe they print 5 PP's and 12 AP's. Every print run is different, so the number of AP's and PP's will change. They would naturally keep most for damage replacements etc, and then decide what to do with the rest. So in this case, they do a "vault" sale, and sell them. And yes, some printmakers # their AP's and PP's, but from what I've seen MOST actually don't! I have a ton of AP prints marked "AP" only. So GP isn't doing anything wrong here either (IMO). Maybe time to give it a rest fellas?! Your hypothetical example is a good illustration of why percentages are not an accurate way of determining the number of AP and PP prints related to a regular print edition.
While 17.5 may be a number, it is not a whole number. In your example, it is therefore not clear whether 17 or 18 AP and PP prints would be made.
So +/- 1 print would make you not be able to gauge a potential price or edition size?
So you are telling me when we have exact edition size numbers there weren't any extras made that aren't numbered?
I'd venture that isn't the case and there's likely more then 1 unnumbered made meaning who knows the actual edition size.
This comment you just made is beyond wrong: "Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen" For the love of God, did you not take grade 5 Math as a kid? 10% (of whatever the run is) is a fixed number!! So if the run is 175, you can count on up to 17.5 AP's and PP's. Get it? Maybe they print 5 PP's and 12 AP's. Every print run is different, so the number of AP's and PP's will change. They would naturally keep most for damage replacements etc, and then decide what to do with the rest. So in this case, they do a "vault" sale, and sell them. And yes, some printmakers # their AP's and PP's, but from what I've seen MOST actually don't! I have a ton of AP prints marked "AP" only. So GP isn't doing anything wrong here either (IMO). Maybe time to give it a rest fellas?! Your hypothetical example is a good illustration of why percentages are not an accurate way of determining the number of AP and PP prints related to a regular print edition.
While 17.5 may be a number, it is not a whole number. In your example, it is therefore not clear whether 17 or 18 AP and PP prints would be made.
So +/- 1 print would make you not be able to gauge a potential price or edition size? So you are telling me when we have exact edition size numbers there weren't any extras made that aren't numbered? I'd venture that isn't the case and there's likely more then 1 unnumbered made meaning who knows the actual edition size.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 6, 2019 17:03:16 GMT 1, Printer A:
Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165.
Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs
So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed?
Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition...
Printer A:
Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165.
Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs
So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed?
Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition...
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Jan 6, 2019 17:22:52 GMT 1, There's no set agreed standard it seems Although the majority do number editions
Some print houses will number aps and pps and use these to cover damage prints and any left over sell .
Some print extra prints extra to aps ,pps to cover damage prints and will send out to customers receiving damage prints this sometimes leads to extras or duplicate numbers as the customer may not have disposed of the damaged print and may sell on.
Customer feed back is that a few that purchase would like their prints numbered ? But at the end of the day if 99.9% of customers are happy with the word account no change is needed and others that have doubts will cease to buy .
There's no set agreed standard it seems Although the majority do number editions
Some print houses will number aps and pps and use these to cover damage prints and any left over sell .
Some print extra prints extra to aps ,pps to cover damage prints and will send out to customers receiving damage prints this sometimes leads to extras or duplicate numbers as the customer may not have disposed of the damaged print and may sell on.
Customer feed back is that a few that purchase would like their prints numbered ? But at the end of the day if 99.9% of customers are happy with the word account no change is needed and others that have doubts will cease to buy .
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nighthawk
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by nighthawk on Jan 6, 2019 17:38:47 GMT 1, There's no set agreed standard it seems Although the majority do number editions Some print houses will number aps and pps and use these to cover damage prints and any left over sell . Some print extra prints extra to aps ,pps to cover damage prints and will send out to customers receiving damage prints this sometimes leads to extras or duplicate numbers as the customer may not have disposed of the damaged print and may sell on. Customer feed back is that a few that purchase would like their prints numbered ? But at the end of the day if 99.9% of customers are happy with the word account no change is needed and others that have doubts will cease to buy. No, that is incorrect. You can't say that the "majority" number their AP's. Do you have any idea how many printmakers exist in the world? You'd have a hell of a lot of work in front of you trying to figure that one out. As I've never received a #'ed AP, I'd actually wager that the "majority" do not number their AP's.
Yes, some print houses will use AP's/PP's etc to cover loss or damage, that is correct! And yes, sometimes they will print "extras" to be able to cover the same loss or damages.
Take Mike Lee's solo show at the garage in Amsterdam for example. While they did release the number of AP's they printed (run of 75 with 8 AP's), they didn't replace damages with them. They asked people to simply destroy the damaged prints, and then sent out "new" prints, but with the same edition number to those needing replacements. How did they do that? Magic? Did they re-print? Or did they make a few extra to begin with?
At the end of the day, you have to trust the integrity of the gallery/publisher, and the process.
There's no set agreed standard it seems Although the majority do number editions Some print houses will number aps and pps and use these to cover damage prints and any left over sell . Some print extra prints extra to aps ,pps to cover damage prints and will send out to customers receiving damage prints this sometimes leads to extras or duplicate numbers as the customer may not have disposed of the damaged print and may sell on. Customer feed back is that a few that purchase would like their prints numbered ? But at the end of the day if 99.9% of customers are happy with the word account no change is needed and others that have doubts will cease to buy. No, that is incorrect. You can't say that the "majority" number their AP's. Do you have any idea how many printmakers exist in the world? You'd have a hell of a lot of work in front of you trying to figure that one out. As I've never received a #'ed AP, I'd actually wager that the "majority" do not number their AP's. Yes, some print houses will use AP's/PP's etc to cover loss or damage, that is correct! And yes, sometimes they will print "extras" to be able to cover the same loss or damages. Take Mike Lee's solo show at the garage in Amsterdam for example. While they did release the number of AP's they printed (run of 75 with 8 AP's), they didn't replace damages with them. They asked people to simply destroy the damaged prints, and then sent out "new" prints, but with the same edition number to those needing replacements. How did they do that? Magic? Did they re-print? Or did they make a few extra to begin with? At the end of the day, you have to trust the integrity of the gallery/publisher, and the process.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by dogstar on Jan 6, 2019 18:04:57 GMT 1, Printer A: Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165. Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed? Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition... Printer C:Prints edition of 150. Prints 15 APs (10% of edition) Prints X amount of numbered PPs - determined exactly by number of printers working on edition - gifted to printers
Prints 15 Insurance Prints - (10% of edition) Signed but unnumbered until required to replace existing damaged numbers, after which any remaining copies should be destroyed.
Printer A: Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165. Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed? Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition... Printer C: Prints edition of 150. Prints 15 APs (10% of edition) Prints X amount of numbered PPs - determined exactly by number of printers working on edition - gifted to printers
Prints 15 Insurance Prints - (10% of edition) Signed but unnumbered until required to replace existing damaged numbers, after which any remaining copies should be destroyed.
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Jan 6, 2019 18:13:10 GMT 1, There's no set agreed standard it seems Although the majority do number editions Some print houses will number aps and pps and use these to cover damage prints and any left over sell . Some print extra prints extra to aps ,pps to cover damage prints and will send out to customers receiving damage prints this sometimes leads to extras or duplicate numbers as the customer may not have disposed of the damaged print and may sell on. Customer feed back is that a few that purchase would like their prints numbered ? But at the end of the day if 99.9% of customers are happy with the word account no change is needed and others that have doubts will cease to buy. No, that is incorrect. You can't say that the "majority" number their AP's. Do you have any idea how many printmakers exist in the world? You'd have a hell of a lot of work in front of you trying to figure that one out. As I've never received a #'ed AP, I'd actually wager that the "majority" do not number their AP's. Yes, some print houses will use AP's/PP's etc to cover loss or damage, that is correct! And yes, sometimes they will print "extras" to be able to cover the same loss or damages. Take Mike Lee's solo show at the garage in Amsterdam for example. While they did release the number of AP's they printed (run of 75 with 8 AP's), they didn't replace damages with them. They asked people to simply destroy the damaged prints, and then sent out "new" prints, but with the same edition number to those needing replacements. How did they do that? Magic? Did they re-print? Or did they make a few extra to begin with? At the end of the day, you have to trust the integrity of the gallery/publisher, and the process.
Just referring to data / threads from the forum , inplausible task referencing the entirety of printers I agree😁
Agree trusting the integrity at the release But unfortunate or not , not everyone has the same trust and like to be unequivocally presented with facts that leave no errors . People have their own reasonings not all presented online for their thoughts
on release presented one colourway is to be released years later to find 5 special editioned colourways are available that no one knew existed for example
There's no set agreed standard it seems Although the majority do number editions Some print houses will number aps and pps and use these to cover damage prints and any left over sell . Some print extra prints extra to aps ,pps to cover damage prints and will send out to customers receiving damage prints this sometimes leads to extras or duplicate numbers as the customer may not have disposed of the damaged print and may sell on. Customer feed back is that a few that purchase would like their prints numbered ? But at the end of the day if 99.9% of customers are happy with the word account no change is needed and others that have doubts will cease to buy. No, that is incorrect. You can't say that the "majority" number their AP's. Do you have any idea how many printmakers exist in the world? You'd have a hell of a lot of work in front of you trying to figure that one out. As I've never received a #'ed AP, I'd actually wager that the "majority" do not number their AP's. Yes, some print houses will use AP's/PP's etc to cover loss or damage, that is correct! And yes, sometimes they will print "extras" to be able to cover the same loss or damages. Take Mike Lee's solo show at the garage in Amsterdam for example. While they did release the number of AP's they printed (run of 75 with 8 AP's), they didn't replace damages with them. They asked people to simply destroy the damaged prints, and then sent out "new" prints, but with the same edition number to those needing replacements. How did they do that? Magic? Did they re-print? Or did they make a few extra to begin with? At the end of the day, you have to trust the integrity of the gallery/publisher, and the process. Just referring to data / threads from the forum , inplausible task referencing the entirety of printers I agree😁 Agree trusting the integrity at the release But unfortunate or not , not everyone has the same trust and like to be unequivocally presented with facts that leave no errors . People have their own reasonings not all presented online for their thoughts on release presented one colourway is to be released years later to find 5 special editioned colourways are available that no one knew existed for example
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Jan 6, 2019 18:18:33 GMT 1, Printer A: Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165. Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed? Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition...
Ok perfect! Can GP now confirm these numbers? Then all is perfect
Printer A: Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165. Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed? Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition... Ok perfect! Can GP now confirm these numbers? Then all is perfect
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Masong on Jan 6, 2019 18:27:16 GMT 1, This is what the inside of my head now feels like. Thanks for reopening it dappy
This is what the inside of my head now feels like. Thanks for reopening it dappy
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 18:32:14 GMT 1, We need Zebidee to bounce on a few heids and that’ll sort this out once and for all.
We need Zebidee to bounce on a few heids and that’ll sort this out once and for all.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 6, 2019 18:38:14 GMT 1, Printer A: Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165. Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed? Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition... Ok perfect! Can GP now confirm these numbers? Then all is perfect
How many times has he already said 10%?
Printer A: Prints edition of 150. States AP/PP/replacements are 10% of run. Equals 15 prints. Total edition of 165. Printer B: Prints edition of 150. Prints 10 APs Prints 5 PPs So are you telling me Printer B has no unnumbered spares printed? Actually seems like Printer A is more transparent and creating a smaller edition... Ok perfect! Can GP now confirm these numbers? Then all is perfect How many times has he already said 10%?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Jan 6, 2019 20:28:05 GMT 1, Ok perfect! Can GP now confirm these numbers? Then all is perfect How many times has he already said 10%?
Without a number written on the print there could be hundreds. Very shady business practice. No it's not there are always hardly any a/ps ESP of a Giclee edition in this case there was 3! Angel had them all and hand finished them. All our p/ps are just that printers proofs of each layer sometimes onto card Doing editions of 20 of a/ps is far worse IMO which lots of artists do!
Some of the editions are way over 200 prints so 10% produced in ap or pp would be way above 20 prints which they don't agree with so easy to just number them as lots of differing info given
Ok perfect! Can GP now confirm these numbers? Then all is perfect How many times has he already said 10%? Without a number written on the print there could be hundreds. Very shady business practice. No it's not there are always hardly any a/ps ESP of a Giclee edition in this case there was 3! Angel had them all and hand finished them. All our p/ps are just that printers proofs of each layer sometimes onto card Doing editions of 20 of a/ps is far worse IMO which lots of artists do! Some of the editions are way over 200 prints so 10% produced in ap or pp would be way above 20 prints which they don't agree with so easy to just number them as lots of differing info given
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 6, 2019 20:38:24 GMT 1, How many times has he already said 10%? No it's not there are always hardly any a/ps ESP of a Giclee edition in this case there was 3! Angel had them all and hand finished them. All our p/ps are just that printers proofs of each layer sometimes onto card Doing editions of 20 of a/ps is far worse IMO which lots of artists do! Some of the editions are way over 200 prints so 10% produced in ap or pp would be way above 20 prints which they don't agree with so easy to just number them as lots of differing info given
So now you are criticising that he does less than 10%
Lol
How many times has he already said 10%? No it's not there are always hardly any a/ps ESP of a Giclee edition in this case there was 3! Angel had them all and hand finished them. All our p/ps are just that printers proofs of each layer sometimes onto card Doing editions of 20 of a/ps is far worse IMO which lots of artists do! Some of the editions are way over 200 prints so 10% produced in ap or pp would be way above 20 prints which they don't agree with so easy to just number them as lots of differing info given So now you are criticising that he does less than 10% Lol
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Jan 6, 2019 20:40:54 GMT 1, Some of the editions are way over 200 prints so 10% produced in ap or pp would be way above 20 prints which they don't agree with so easy to just number them as lots of differing info given So now you are criticising that he does less than 10% Lol sarcasm🙄 that is against what he stated previously🤣 But if true to word and less than 10% in editions over 200 there is no exact figure which keeps getting repeated as gospel .if numbered would end all confusion, plus money spinner as some people collect certain numbers and pay a premium
Some of the editions are way over 200 prints so 10% produced in ap or pp would be way above 20 prints which they don't agree with so easy to just number them as lots of differing info given So now you are criticising that he does less than 10% Lol sarcasm🙄 that is against what he stated previously🤣 But if true to word and less than 10% in editions over 200 there is no exact figure which keeps getting repeated as gospel .if numbered would end all confusion, plus money spinner as some people collect certain numbers and pay a premium
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 6, 2019 21:26:28 GMT 1, So now you are criticising that he does less than 10% Lol sarcasm🙄 that is against what he stated previously🤣 But if true to word and less than 10% in editions over 200 there is no exact figure which keeps getting repeated as gospel .if numbered would end all confusion, plus money spinner as some people collect certain numbers and pay a premium
I think it's fairly clear. You are taken 'exact' numbers wrongly. Just cause AP and PP are numbered that doesn't mean the exact number is known
So now you are criticising that he does less than 10% Lol sarcasm🙄 that is against what he stated previously🤣 But if true to word and less than 10% in editions over 200 there is no exact figure which keeps getting repeated as gospel .if numbered would end all confusion, plus money spinner as some people collect certain numbers and pay a premium I think it's fairly clear. You are taken 'exact' numbers wrongly. Just cause AP and PP are numbered that doesn't mean the exact number is known
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Jan 6, 2019 21:41:31 GMT 1, sarcasm🙄 that is against what he stated previously🤣 But if true to word and less than 10% in editions over 200 there is no exact figure which keeps getting repeated as gospel .if numbered would end all confusion, plus money spinner as some people collect certain numbers and pay a premium I think it's fairly clear. You are taken 'exact' numbers wrongly. Just cause AP and PP are numbered that doesn't mean the exact number is known
Not known just stops other prints for example reissued damaged prints coming onto the market if value increases in the artist or stops a printers running extras , the printing is outsourced using 3 different print houses , just keeps in check , publisher can have integrity but lots of other variables to account for .happened at pow which is well known At original release £150 - £195 now these prints trading at £1500 each or more at new releases , wcp replicates a good copy of banksy , had backdoor prints and even profitable banksy copies when prints were £1500-£2000 Which these prints are now and people are willing to pay , Profitable for someone to easily replicate for £1-£3000 a print ? Just more of a paper trail to confirm numbered .
sarcasm🙄 that is against what he stated previously🤣 But if true to word and less than 10% in editions over 200 there is no exact figure which keeps getting repeated as gospel .if numbered would end all confusion, plus money spinner as some people collect certain numbers and pay a premium I think it's fairly clear. You are taken 'exact' numbers wrongly. Just cause AP and PP are numbered that doesn't mean the exact number is known Not known just stops other prints for example reissued damaged prints coming onto the market if value increases in the artist or stops a printers running extras , the printing is outsourced using 3 different print houses , just keeps in check , publisher can have integrity but lots of other variables to account for .happened at pow which is well known At original release £150 - £195 now these prints trading at £1500 each or more at new releases , wcp replicates a good copy of banksy , had backdoor prints and even profitable banksy copies when prints were £1500-£2000 Which these prints are now and people are willing to pay , Profitable for someone to easily replicate for £1-£3000 a print ? Just more of a paper trail to confirm numbered .
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by .dappy on Jan 6, 2019 22:11:06 GMT 1, ... Rouen Cathedral and tab1 ... please take your circular discussion to DM ...
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