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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 29, 2018 22:36:55 GMT 1, I have always had great dealings with GP. Iโve missed a few prints upon release over the years that I wanted. But such is life, we canโt win them all. Iโm glad they keep a few for vault Sales. Even though most are out of my price range...it gives people that can afford the chance to purchase prints from source instead of some questionable eBay seller. It seems the ones that are angry about the vault sales care more about it decreasing the value of the prints they own. Why does it always have to turn into a money thing? Canโt you just be happy with the print and not be concerned about itโs value?
No. The question is how many prints are actually sold on these vault sales. How many printer proofs? How many artist proofs? What's the number? It has nothing to do with money and everything to do with honesty.
I have always had great dealings with GP. Iโve missed a few prints upon release over the years that I wanted. But such is life, we canโt win them all. Iโm glad they keep a few for vault Sales. Even though most are out of my price range...it gives people that can afford the chance to purchase prints from source instead of some questionable eBay seller. It seems the ones that are angry about the vault sales care more about it decreasing the value of the prints they own. Why does it always have to turn into a money thing? Canโt you just be happy with the print and not be concerned about itโs value? No. The question is how many prints are actually sold on these vault sales. How many printer proofs? How many artist proofs? What's the number? It has nothing to do with money and everything to do with honesty. |
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Ottomatik
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Ottomatik on Dec 29, 2018 22:42:19 GMT 1, I have always had great dealings with GP. Iโve missed a few prints upon release over the years that I wanted. But such is life, we canโt win them all. Iโm glad they keep a few for vault Sales. Even though most are out of my price range...it gives people that can afford the chance to purchase prints from source instead of some questionable eBay seller. It seems the ones that are angry about the vault sales care more about it decreasing the value of the prints they own. Why does it always have to turn into a money thing? Canโt you just be happy with the print and not be concerned about itโs value? No. The question is how many prints are actually sold on these vault sales. How many printer proofs? How many artist proofs? What's the number? It has nothing to do with money and everything to do with honesty.
I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info.
I have always had great dealings with GP. Iโve missed a few prints upon release over the years that I wanted. But such is life, we canโt win them all. Iโm glad they keep a few for vault Sales. Even though most are out of my price range...it gives people that can afford the chance to purchase prints from source instead of some questionable eBay seller. It seems the ones that are angry about the vault sales care more about it decreasing the value of the prints they own. Why does it always have to turn into a money thing? Canโt you just be happy with the print and not be concerned about itโs value? No. The question is how many prints are actually sold on these vault sales. How many printer proofs? How many artist proofs? What's the number? It has nothing to do with money and everything to do with honesty. I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. |
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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 30, 2018 0:38:28 GMT 1, I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info.
Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP.
This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition.
I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition. |
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Redbirds
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Redbirds on Dec 30, 2018 0:47:10 GMT 1, I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition.
Just donโt buy from them if you dislike and stop cluttering my thread -Christ
I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition. Just donโt buy from them if you dislike and stop cluttering my thread -Christ |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 0:55:12 GMT 1, I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition.
My question isn't hard.
Post the prints you own. And list the exact edition of each and provide proof. I'll wait....
I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition. My question isn't hard. Post the prints you own. And list the exact edition of each and provide proof. I'll wait.... |
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bentheartfan
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by bentheartfan on Dec 30, 2018 1:09:32 GMT 1, Which galleries or artists report in the template desired above ?
Which galleries or artists report in the template desired above ?
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.dappy
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by .dappy on Dec 30, 2018 1:09:42 GMT 1, ... fรผck me they're all out tonight ...
... is there a full moon?
... fรผck me they're all out tonight ...
... is there a full moon?
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.dappy
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by .dappy on Dec 30, 2018 1:10:54 GMT 1, ... have a butterfly ...
... have a butterfly ... |
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lg2771
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by lg2771 on Dec 30, 2018 1:14:47 GMT 1,
Thatโs so nice. My favorite image by him. Is it on canvas?
Thatโs so nice. My favorite image by him. Is it on canvas? |
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.dappy
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by .dappy on Dec 30, 2018 1:42:31 GMT 1, ... the original edition hand stencilled on metal ... much bigger than the print ...
... the original edition hand stencilled on metal ... much bigger than the print ...
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lg2771
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by lg2771 on Dec 30, 2018 1:51:43 GMT 1, ... the original edition hand stencilled on metal ... much bigger than the print ...
Looks great. How do you manage not to scratch it? 
... the original edition hand stencilled on metal ... much bigger than the print ... Looks great. How do you manage not to scratch it? |
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Ottomatik
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Ottomatik on Dec 30, 2018 1:56:41 GMT 1, I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition.
Not incorrect.
I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey.
I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints.
Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt.
We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs.
In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag.
However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum.
You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP.
No need to respond to my post.
Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime.
I donโt think many galleries or artists release that info. Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition. Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 2:03:54 GMT 1, ... the original edition hand stencilled on metal ... much bigger than the print ...
Stop showing off! ๐
... the original edition hand stencilled on metal ... much bigger than the print ... Stop showing off! ๐ |
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 30, 2018 2:14:09 GMT 1, All his work on metal is amazing , really sharp and crisp stencilling,this and oss on metal are some of his best work, there is also a giant 2mx2m canvas of eternal reflection too!
All his work on metal is amazing , really sharp and crisp stencilling,this and oss on metal are some of his best work, there is also a giant 2mx2m canvas of eternal reflection too!
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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 30, 2018 13:07:30 GMT 1, Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime.
So someone can answer this then. Do miss bugs, charming baker and obey publicly have vault sales 3 times a year to sell unnumbered pps and aps? It amazes me that you guys are into "limited edition" prints yet have absolutely no clue how many prints are out there exactly if each. Still can't get an exact number from anyone.
Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. So someone can answer this then. Do miss bugs, charming baker and obey publicly have vault sales 3 times a year to sell unnumbered pps and aps? It amazes me that you guys are into "limited edition" prints yet have absolutely no clue how many prints are out there exactly if each. Still can't get an exact number from anyone. |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 13:13:51 GMT 1, Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. So someone can answer this then. Do miss bugs, charming baker and obey publicly have vault sales 3 times a year to sell unnumbered pps and aps? It amazes me that you guys are into "limited edition" prints yet have absolutely no clue how many prints are out there exactly if each. Still can't get an exact number from anyone.
Why can't you answer my easy question?
Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. So someone can answer this then. Do miss bugs, charming baker and obey publicly have vault sales 3 times a year to sell unnumbered pps and aps? It amazes me that you guys are into "limited edition" prints yet have absolutely no clue how many prints are out there exactly if each. Still can't get an exact number from anyone. Why can't you answer my easy question? |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Sweet Fanny Adams on Dec 30, 2018 13:38:12 GMT 1, Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition. Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. With the greatest respect, bringing Shepard Fairey in to this debate is farcical. As a rule Shepard Fairey will only ever produce a maximum of 10%, usually numbers 1-35, of the regular edition, and will mark those as artist proofs, these are never in addition to the regular run, but form a part of the edition.
Chancers like Jealous, Graffiti Prints, and any other outlet, know that AP's and especially PP's should be numbered and even more limited then the normal run. Anyone arguing or trying to justify this behaviour then they are just as culpible in this scam, as that is what it basically is, having an unlimited AP run is basically a con job.
Incorrect. You're probably just used to it by purchasing from GP. This isn't hard. ___ regular edition _____ ap edition ____pp edition. Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. With the greatest respect, bringing Shepard Fairey in to this debate is farcical. As a rule Shepard Fairey will only ever produce a maximum of 10%, usually numbers 1-35, of the regular edition, and will mark those as artist proofs, these are never in addition to the regular run, but form a part of the edition.
Chancers like Jealous, Graffiti Prints, and any other outlet, know that AP's and especially PP's should be numbered and even more limited then the normal run. Anyone arguing or trying to justify this behaviour then they are just as culpible in this scam, as that is what it basically is, having an unlimited AP run is basically a con job.
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 30, 2018 14:24:18 GMT 1, Seems like respect for the art and artist itโs self is not the focus, but earning quick money on selling / buying releases.
Editions should be open book
Buyers should be restricted to resell when purchasing from release to secondhand market with an quarantine time of min. 1 year.
Iโm a newbie in urban / street art and facing sold out releases in seconds that shows up on eBay and other forums as secondhand for double the price.
And buying secondhand overpriced deluxe
This hype can be compared to Bitcoin hype
Again, just a newbie and my first thoughts while struggling to get art from artist that I like based on their work.
And after seeing the edition race in this area I want to focus on getting AP / PP or rare editions. Otherwise just go to copycat and get the โpictureโ printed out and framed
Seems like respect for the art and artist itโs self is not the focus, but earning quick money on selling / buying releases.
Editions should be open book
Buyers should be restricted to resell when purchasing from release to secondhand market with an quarantine time of min. 1 year.
Iโm a newbie in urban / street art and facing sold out releases in seconds that shows up on eBay and other forums as secondhand for double the price.
And buying secondhand overpriced deluxe
This hype can be compared to Bitcoin hype
Again, just a newbie and my first thoughts while struggling to get art from artist that I like based on their work.
And after seeing the edition race in this area I want to focus on getting AP / PP or rare editions. Otherwise just go to copycat and get the โpictureโ printed out and framed
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 15:07:08 GMT 1, Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. With the greatest respect, bringing Shepard Fairey in to this debate is farcical.ย As a rule Shepard Fairey will only ever produce a maximum of 10%, usually numbers 1-35, of the regular edition, and will mark those as artist proofs, these are never in addition to the regular run, but form a part of the edition.
Chancers like Jealous, Graffiti Prints, and any other outlet, know that AP's and especially PP's should be numbered and even more limited then the normal run.ย Anyone arguing or trying to justify this behaviour then they are just as culpible in this scam, as that is what it basically is, having an unlimited AP run is basically a con job.ย
Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp?
Not incorrect. I collect mostly Miss Bugs, Charming Baker, and Obey. I have no clue how many APโs or PPโs Jealous have or create of Charming Baker prints. Same can be said for Miss Bugs. They produce 95% of their own prints. Sometimes they number the APโs, sometimes they donโt. We all know that Fairey doesnโt number his APโs. In all listed cases, I couldnโt care less. Iโm just pleased with the prints I was lucky enough to snag. However, if I wanted to enquire with Jealous Gallery the number of AP/PPโs in Charmingsโ editions, out of respect, I would email and ask. Iโd not bring it up on a public forum. You say your intentions of this entire drama laden conversation is for transparency...iโd say youโre intent was to slander and create some negative thoughts against GP. No need to respond to my post. Iโve spent every single ounce of energy iโd like to use on you in this lifetime. With the greatest respect, bringing Shepard Fairey in to this debate is farcical.ย As a rule Shepard Fairey will only ever produce a maximum of 10%, usually numbers 1-35, of the regular edition, and will mark those as artist proofs, these are never in addition to the regular run, but form a part of the edition.
Chancers like Jealous, Graffiti Prints, and any other outlet, know that AP's and especially PP's should be numbered and even more limited then the normal run.ย Anyone arguing or trying to justify this behaviour then they are just as culpible in this scam, as that is what it basically is, having an unlimited AP run is basically a con job.ย
Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp? |
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Poster Bob
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Poster Bob on Dec 30, 2018 15:22:09 GMT 1, I think Stik's prints are the worst example of this nonsense. All I see for sale on Instagram is PP after PP over and over again. A never-ending stream of them, always unnumbered.
I think Stik's prints are the worst example of this nonsense. All I see for sale on Instagram is PP after PP over and over again. A never-ending stream of them, always unnumbered.
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desperado
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September 2018
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 30, 2018 15:50:30 GMT 1, Seems like respect for the art and artist itโs self is not the focus, but earning quick money on selling / buying releases. Editions should be open book Buyers should be restricted to resell when purchasing from release to secondhand market with an quarantine time of min. 1 year. Iโm a newbie in urban / street art and facing sold out releases in seconds that shows up on eBay and other forums as secondhand for double the price. And buying secondhand overpriced deluxe This hype can be compared to Bitcoin hype Again, just a newbie and my first thoughts while struggling to get art from artist that I like based on their work. And after seeing the edition race in this area I want to focus on getting AP / PP or rare editions. Otherwise just go to copycat and get the โpictureโ printed out and framed
I also want to mention the price gaps from different sellers.
The worst is over 2500ยฃ in difference. Feels like being robbed
Seems like respect for the art and artist itโs self is not the focus, but earning quick money on selling / buying releases. Editions should be open book Buyers should be restricted to resell when purchasing from release to secondhand market with an quarantine time of min. 1 year. Iโm a newbie in urban / street art and facing sold out releases in seconds that shows up on eBay and other forums as secondhand for double the price. And buying secondhand overpriced deluxe This hype can be compared to Bitcoin hype Again, just a newbie and my first thoughts while struggling to get art from artist that I like based on their work. And after seeing the edition race in this area I want to focus on getting AP / PP or rare editions. Otherwise just go to copycat and get the โpictureโ printed out and framed I also want to mention the price gaps from different sellers. The worst is over 2500ยฃ in difference. Feels like being robbed |
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desperado
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September 2018
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 30, 2018 15:53:03 GMT 1, Seems like respect for the art and artist itโs self is not the focus, but earning quick money on selling / buying releases. Editions should be open book Buyers should be restricted to resell when purchasing from release to secondhand market with an quarantine time of min. 1 year. Iโm a newbie in urban / street art and facing sold out releases in seconds that shows up on eBay and other forums as secondhand for double the price. And buying secondhand overpriced deluxe This hype can be compared to Bitcoin hype Again, just a newbie and my first thoughts while struggling to get art from artist that I like based on their work. And after seeing the edition race in this area I want to focus on getting AP / PP or rare editions. Otherwise just go to copycat and get the โpictureโ printed out and framed I also want to mention the price gaps from different sellers. The worst is over 2500ยฃ in difference. Feels like being robbed
And another one. Art bought by a seller from eBay, secondhand, advertising on instagram after couple of
Minutes demanding over 2000ยฃ
Seems like respect for the art and artist itโs self is not the focus, but earning quick money on selling / buying releases. Editions should be open book Buyers should be restricted to resell when purchasing from release to secondhand market with an quarantine time of min. 1 year. Iโm a newbie in urban / street art and facing sold out releases in seconds that shows up on eBay and other forums as secondhand for double the price. And buying secondhand overpriced deluxe This hype can be compared to Bitcoin hype Again, just a newbie and my first thoughts while struggling to get art from artist that I like based on their work. And after seeing the edition race in this area I want to focus on getting AP / PP or rare editions. Otherwise just go to copycat and get the โpictureโ printed out and framed I also want to mention the price gaps from different sellers. The worst is over 2500ยฃ in difference. Feels like being robbed And another one. Art bought by a seller from eBay, secondhand, advertising on instagram after couple of Minutes demanding over 2000ยฃ |
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 30, 2018 16:20:54 GMT 1, With the greatest respect, bringing Shepard Fairey in to this debate is farcical. As a rule Shepard Fairey will only ever produce a maximum of 10%, usually numbers 1-35, of the regular edition, and will mark those as artist proofs, these are never in addition to the regular run, but form a part of the edition.
Chancers like Jealous, Graffiti Prints, and any other outlet, know that AP's and especially PP's should be numbered and even more limited then the normal run. Anyone arguing or trying to justify this behaviour then they are just as culpible in this scam, as that is what it basically is, having an unlimited AP run is basically a con job.
Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp?
Also now highlighted it is standard procedure to number said prints .
spreadsheet kept of all prints that are bought with all details kept would just be easier to re affirm trust if all were numbered and no one can question or insinuate anything other than facts as it stands hard to substantiate on the facts presented.
not stating this is happening here , but for a popular artist to have a unlimited supply trickled onto the market
would be highly financially rewarding for any gallery especially the ability to sell at x 6 the initial cost yet no extra costs to produce
a regular buyer would not care and would be happy to just purchase but you also have collectors ,hobbyists that value set forms guidelines
With the greatest respect, bringing Shepard Fairey in to this debate is farcical. As a rule Shepard Fairey will only ever produce a maximum of 10%, usually numbers 1-35, of the regular edition, and will mark those as artist proofs, these are never in addition to the regular run, but form a part of the edition.
Chancers like Jealous, Graffiti Prints, and any other outlet, know that AP's and especially PP's should be numbered and even more limited then the normal run. Anyone arguing or trying to justify this behaviour then they are just as culpible in this scam, as that is what it basically is, having an unlimited AP run is basically a con job.
Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp? Think some people question and are sceptical of the galleries although told now 10% of the run is pp they have no trust in what they have been told also the same sold out prints over the years turn up in shows and online special sales constantly leaving some to believe there are over 10% of the edition are pp, some hardcore collectors actively seek these editions out as value them as rare and above a regular edition so keep track of where to purchase when following a artist Also now highlighted it is standard procedure to number said prints . spreadsheet kept of all prints that are bought with all details kept would just be easier to re affirm trust if all were numbered and no one can question or insinuate anything other than facts as it stands hard to substantiate on the facts presented. not stating this is happening here , but for a popular artist to have a unlimited supply trickled onto the market would be highly financially rewarding for any gallery especially the ability to sell at x 6 the initial cost yet no extra costs to produce a regular buyer would not care and would be happy to just purchase but you also have collectors ,hobbyists that value set forms guidelines |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 16:27:51 GMT 1, Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp? Think some people question and are sceptical of the galleries although told now 10% of the run is pp they have no trust in what they have been told also the same sold out prints over the years turn up in shows and online special ย sales constantly leaving some to believe there are over 10% of the edition are pp, some hardcore collectors actively seek these editions out as value them as rare and above a regular edition so keep track of where to purchase when following a artist Also now highlighted it is standard procedure to number said prints . spreadsheet kept of all prints that are bought with all details kept ย would just be easier to re affirm trust if all were numbered and no one can question or insinuate anything other than facts as it stands hard to substantiate on the facts presented. not stating this is happening here , but for a popular artist to have a unlimited supply trickled onto the market would be highly financially ย rewarding for any gallery especially the ability to sell at x 6 the initial cost yet no extra costs to produce a regular buyer would not care and would be happy to just purchase but you also have collectors ,hobbyists that value set forms ย guidelinesย
That doesn't really answer that question.
But in regarda to your post can you provide us with a piece that proves to have more then 10% that have hit the market since release?
Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp? Think some people question and are sceptical of the galleries although told now 10% of the run is pp they have no trust in what they have been told also the same sold out prints over the years turn up in shows and online special ย sales constantly leaving some to believe there are over 10% of the edition are pp, some hardcore collectors actively seek these editions out as value them as rare and above a regular edition so keep track of where to purchase when following a artist Also now highlighted it is standard procedure to number said prints . spreadsheet kept of all prints that are bought with all details kept ย would just be easier to re affirm trust if all were numbered and no one can question or insinuate anything other than facts as it stands hard to substantiate on the facts presented. not stating this is happening here , but for a popular artist to have a unlimited supply trickled onto the market would be highly financially ย rewarding for any gallery especially the ability to sell at x 6 the initial cost yet no extra costs to produce a regular buyer would not care and would be happy to just purchase but you also have collectors ,hobbyists that value set forms ย guidelinesย That doesn't really answer that question. But in regarda to your post can you provide us with a piece that proves to have more then 10% that have hit the market since release? |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 30, 2018 16:40:44 GMT 1, Think some people question and are sceptical of the galleries although told now 10% of the run is pp they have no trust in what they have been told also the same sold out prints over the years turn up in shows and online special sales constantly leaving some to believe there are over 10% of the edition are pp, some hardcore collectors actively seek these editions out as value them as rare and above a regular edition so keep track of where to purchase when following a artist Also now highlighted it is standard procedure to number said prints . spreadsheet kept of all prints that are bought with all details kept would just be easier to re affirm trust if all were numbered and no one can question or insinuate anything other than facts as it stands hard to substantiate on the facts presented. not stating this is happening here , but for a popular artist to have a unlimited supply trickled onto the market would be highly financially rewarding for any gallery especially the ability to sell at x 6 the initial cost yet no extra costs to produce a regular buyer would not care and would be happy to just purchase but you also have collectors ,hobbyists that value set forms guidelines That doesn't really answer that question. But in regarda to your post can you provide us with a piece that proves to have more then 10% that have hit the market since release?
above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself
two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐
Think some people question and are sceptical of the galleries although told now 10% of the run is pp they have no trust in what they have been told also the same sold out prints over the years turn up in shows and online special sales constantly leaving some to believe there are over 10% of the edition are pp, some hardcore collectors actively seek these editions out as value them as rare and above a regular edition so keep track of where to purchase when following a artist Also now highlighted it is standard procedure to number said prints . spreadsheet kept of all prints that are bought with all details kept would just be easier to re affirm trust if all were numbered and no one can question or insinuate anything other than facts as it stands hard to substantiate on the facts presented. not stating this is happening here , but for a popular artist to have a unlimited supply trickled onto the market would be highly financially rewarding for any gallery especially the ability to sell at x 6 the initial cost yet no extra costs to produce a regular buyer would not care and would be happy to just purchase but you also have collectors ,hobbyists that value set forms guidelines That doesn't really answer that question. But in regarda to your post can you provide us with a piece that proves to have more then 10% that have hit the market since release? I could but time consuming to pull up all emails and screenshots to prove , otherwise it's just my word without facts to back it up and trying to cull the obsessiveness at the moment๐๐ค above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐ |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 17:48:03 GMT 1, That doesn't really answer that question. But in regarda to your post can you provide us with a piece that proves to have more then 10% that have hit the market since release? I could but time consuming to pull up all emails and screenshots to prove , otherwise it's just my word without facts to back it up and trying to cull the obsessiveness at the moment๐๐ค above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐
So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐
I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is...
That doesn't really answer that question. But in regarda to your post can you provide us with a piece that proves to have more then 10% that have hit the market since release? I could but time consuming to pull up all emails and screenshots to prove , otherwise it's just my word without facts to back it up and trying to cull the obsessiveness at the moment๐๐ค above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐ So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is... |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 30, 2018 18:27:55 GMT 1, I could but time consuming to pull up all emails and screenshots to prove , otherwise it's just my word without facts to back it up and trying to cull the obsessiveness at the moment๐๐ค above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐ So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is...
I could but time consuming to pull up all emails and screenshots to prove , otherwise it's just my word without facts to back it up and trying to cull the obsessiveness at the moment๐๐ค above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐ So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is...
Do you pose the same question to gp?
Prove there is only 10% extra printed?
Have you seen the spreadsheet they have of all allocated numbers printed?
You except being told something without evidence from one side but not the other?
The same principles should be applied to both parties debating numbers printed ? Provide evidence from both ?
No motivation , part of a discussion on a public forum , expressing my thoughts , not implying that I am right just my individual thoughts on this subject as part of a discussion
There have been plenty of other threads debating this issue with harsher comments then I have presented.
Being on the forum compared to trawling through private emails is time consuming and not appropriate to post private emails?
Collectors are aware of the situation so I am not making them aware or trying to , at this point people are just asking questions ?
People can make there own assumptions from information here and if interested can gather info from loads of past threads and past shows from the internet if need be ,
Points so far gathered from others from this thread it is common standard practice to print numbers on printers proofs
Test proofs are unnumbered but generally not sold to the public.
I could but time consuming to pull up all emails and screenshots to prove , otherwise it's just my word without facts to back it up and trying to cull the obsessiveness at the moment๐๐ค above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐ So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is... I could but time consuming to pull up all emails and screenshots to prove , otherwise it's just my word without facts to back it up and trying to cull the obsessiveness at the moment๐๐ค above post just summarising of the post so far of others and myself two sides of thoughts on this thread so far and neither are budging , so just a thread of thoughts ๐ So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is... Do you pose the same question to gp? Prove there is only 10% extra printed? Have you seen the spreadsheet they have of all allocated numbers printed? You except being told something without evidence from one side but not the other? The same principles should be applied to both parties debating numbers printed ? Provide evidence from both ? No motivation , part of a discussion on a public forum , expressing my thoughts , not implying that I am right just my individual thoughts on this subject as part of a discussion There have been plenty of other threads debating this issue with harsher comments then I have presented. Being on the forum compared to trawling through private emails is time consuming and not appropriate to post private emails? Collectors are aware of the situation so I am not making them aware or trying to , at this point people are just asking questions ? People can make there own assumptions from information here and if interested can gather info from loads of past threads and past shows from the internet if need be , Points so far gathered from others from this thread it is common standard practice to print numbers on printers proofs Test proofs are unnumbered but generally not sold to the public. |
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 18:33:39 GMT 1, So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is... So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is... Do you pose the same question to gp? Prove there is only 10% extra printed? Have you seen the spreadsheet they have of all allocated numbers printed? You except being told something without evidence from one side but not the other? The same principles should be applied to both parties debating numbers printed ? Provide evidence from both ? No motivation , part of a discussion on a public forum , expressing my thoughts , not implying that I am right just my individual thoughts on this subject as part of a discussion There have been plenty of other threads debating this issue with harsher comments then I have presented. Being on the forum compared to trawling through private emails is time consuming and not appropriate to post private emails? Collectors are aware of the situation so I am not making them aware or trying to , at this point people are just asking questions ? People can make there own assumptions from information here and if interested can gather info from loads of past threads and past shows from the internet if need be , Points so far gathered from others from this thread it is common standard practice to print numbers on printers proofs Test proofs are unnumbered but generally not sold to the public.
I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it.
You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion.
Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation.
I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP.
So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is... So wait you have proof but refuse to post saying it's too time consuming. Yet how much time have you spent posting on the subject? ๐ I mean you say it's about making collectors aware. If you have proof post it. If you don't then I don't even know what your motivation is... Do you pose the same question to gp? Prove there is only 10% extra printed? Have you seen the spreadsheet they have of all allocated numbers printed? You except being told something without evidence from one side but not the other? The same principles should be applied to both parties debating numbers printed ? Provide evidence from both ? No motivation , part of a discussion on a public forum , expressing my thoughts , not implying that I am right just my individual thoughts on this subject as part of a discussion There have been plenty of other threads debating this issue with harsher comments then I have presented. Being on the forum compared to trawling through private emails is time consuming and not appropriate to post private emails? Collectors are aware of the situation so I am not making them aware or trying to , at this point people are just asking questions ? People can make there own assumptions from information here and if interested can gather info from loads of past threads and past shows from the internet if need be , Points so far gathered from others from this thread it is common standard practice to print numbers on printers proofs Test proofs are unnumbered but generally not sold to the public. I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. |
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