Graffiti Prints
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 26, 2018 11:07:30 GMT 1, In the spirit of asking life pondering questions: Why don't galleries and more artists do random unannounced drops? Graffittiprints ,please give me an insight on this..i know of only one gig show print artist who does this, todd slater, and that's about it. Is it logistics? Is it marketing tactic? Control of supply amd demand? I bet a lot more true fans of any artist would be satisfied,as they frequent the artist social media/blog/website. Ome might say it is to prevent 10 prints from going to one person, but there are so many ways to prevent that and make it harder for that to happen... I just never got the whole create anticipation,drop, encite mass histeria because of bots ,flippers etc. Random pre unannounced drops sound more fair game to the fans, wdya think? I've always wondered this as well. It could be limited to one print per person. Id say the chances of true fans getting prints would be the same as they probably are the ones paying attention.
Have to say in my experience no that’s not the case
Every drop we done where we don’t give much or any notice tends to be flipped more
I think people who buy loads and resell watch every insta, Facebook forums etc
Our goal has always been spread them out as far and wide as you can as artists markets open up worldwide
It’s ok to sell to a pond of collectors for a while but we think that harms the artist so we push out to the ocean as far as we can to all worldwide with all artists where we can
Some have strong markets in certain countries but as they work with us more they open out into other areas worldwide
We only sell Around 30% in Europe inc U.K.
So notice becomes important due to time differences mainly when receiving mailout email
We have found as much as I hate to say it lottery is the best to not get flipped a lot, as it is so random and lots more people have a go I think vs buying online
It’s a fcuk load of work though vs selling online and impossible for all releases
In short there is no right way really we looked at so many options with artists thinking what’s the best way to sell
But always looking, thinking and trying to evolve
Happy Xmas with a sore head here hope my message is clearish
In the spirit of asking life pondering questions: Why don't galleries and more artists do random unannounced drops? Graffittiprints ,please give me an insight on this..i know of only one gig show print artist who does this, todd slater, and that's about it. Is it logistics? Is it marketing tactic? Control of supply amd demand? I bet a lot more true fans of any artist would be satisfied,as they frequent the artist social media/blog/website. Ome might say it is to prevent 10 prints from going to one person, but there are so many ways to prevent that and make it harder for that to happen... I just never got the whole create anticipation,drop, encite mass histeria because of bots ,flippers etc. Random pre unannounced drops sound more fair game to the fans, wdya think? I've always wondered this as well. It could be limited to one print per person. Id say the chances of true fans getting prints would be the same as they probably are the ones paying attention. Have to say in my experience no that’s not the case Every drop we done where we don’t give much or any notice tends to be flipped more I think people who buy loads and resell watch every insta, Facebook forums etc Our goal has always been spread them out as far and wide as you can as artists markets open up worldwide It’s ok to sell to a pond of collectors for a while but we think that harms the artist so we push out to the ocean as far as we can to all worldwide with all artists where we can Some have strong markets in certain countries but as they work with us more they open out into other areas worldwide We only sell Around 30% in Europe inc U.K. So notice becomes important due to time differences mainly when receiving mailout email We have found as much as I hate to say it lottery is the best to not get flipped a lot, as it is so random and lots more people have a go I think vs buying online It’s a fcuk load of work though vs selling online and impossible for all releases In short there is no right way really we looked at so many options with artists thinking what’s the best way to sell But always looking, thinking and trying to evolve Happy Xmas with a sore head here hope my message is clearish
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 13:04:48 GMT 1, Sounds like a fair MO. Lottery does sound like it takes extra wrk to an already tideous process, though it def is most random. The whole unannounced random drop still sounds more attractive though I guess a bit biased from my part
Sounds like a fair MO. Lottery does sound like it takes extra wrk to an already tideous process, though it def is most random. The whole unannounced random drop still sounds more attractive though I guess a bit biased from my part
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kapusta
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by kapusta on Dec 26, 2018 16:41:49 GMT 1, Lotteries are fine once in a while, but if every high demand drop becomes a game of pure chance, I'll stop buying from that source & stop paying attention altogether. I've been collecting since 2011 and, as silly as it sounds, you learn how to play the game through trial & error. And I'm talking without bots... I don't dabble in that nonsense.
I expect to have a slightly leg up over the average person trying to score the same drop. I know I won't always win, but I'd like to think my experience offers me an advantage.
But really, there's no way to satisfy everyone. Random drops mean more people are leveraging page monitors + bots. Standard drops feed only the obsessive collectors like me. And lottos are just... too random (says the guy that NEVER wins lottos).
Lotteries are fine once in a while, but if every high demand drop becomes a game of pure chance, I'll stop buying from that source & stop paying attention altogether. I've been collecting since 2011 and, as silly as it sounds, you learn how to play the game through trial & error. And I'm talking without bots... I don't dabble in that nonsense.
I expect to have a slightly leg up over the average person trying to score the same drop. I know I won't always win, but I'd like to think my experience offers me an advantage.
But really, there's no way to satisfy everyone. Random drops mean more people are leveraging page monitors + bots. Standard drops feed only the obsessive collectors like me. And lottos are just... too random (says the guy that NEVER wins lottos).
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ransacked99
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December 2018
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 27, 2018 13:50:15 GMT 1, Happy Xmas everyone We have always said from day one we keep up to 10% of an edition for later to do shows and vault sales Plus we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc All artists sign and agree numbers so the people who email artists and suggest it’s terrible we are selling proofs is insulting them in my opinion as all know exactly where they stand with the edition in question I said this before here etc but mr tab has still not forgiven us for calling him out for selling whatson stickers on canvases representing them as originals on eBay All the other haters are just jealous imo we do what we do well, look after every artist and their print works. Hence we are now in our 7th year still producing cracking prints Street art is such a small world and word travels fast and our rep just grows with artists as we do it the right way Someone mentioned pow they did do vault sales on banksy etc in the form of pdf to vip collectors, you just had to be on the list. We do it upfront and for everyone which was the concept way back in 2012 for everyone don’t hide it, no smoke and mirrors etc Just great prints and great prices which is what we do. Why should we sell at release prices years later it does not make sense We sell at what we are prepared to part with it for! All items from yesterday’s sale were from our Berlin show 2017 print show at urban nation from the print rack I been putting off emptying Easier to list and sell than put away Just wanted to clear that up and defend our honour! Happy Xmas everyone Hope it’s been a great year for you all and next year, even better! Next release is pez mirage put back from November to end jan
Ah with the annual (bi/tri now?) vault sale comes the annual "defend our honor" GP post.
I'm still baffled you got that many people who are collectors to like your post. I think they are missing the big picture and its this line specifically "we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc". After seeing the same PPs come up here and there, this is the part that has lost me as a customer of yours for the past two years.
For starters, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Vault sales. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with selling pieces at around market price. If there is a buyer out there that wants to spend that much, then thats on them as proven by every vault sale you've done. You don't need to explain yourself. Maybe instead of telling people you don't have any or that they aren't one of the lucky ones to catch you when you need to pay rent so you can sell, you just tell them they will be at the vault sale. Also, you're right! Your prints do come out lovely. No questioning that.
The issue with your company and until it changes should always be the issue that any collector should have with your business, are all of the un-numbered prints you put out. You mention how its 10% of the prints but how do we know? A lot of us have heard many fun stories you've done in the past with artists who no longer work with you so why should we believe it's only 10%? There is absolutely no transparency. I know at least 13 with un-numbered by Martin. Maybe its a reason why Martin's secondary market has sort of stayed stagnant over the last year or so? A time when he should be exploding.
So if that's the case, then why number regular prints at all? How about this, next release, just write "FU" as the edition and just tell us there are 300 prints out there. I mean if its ok for APs and PPs why not the FU edition? We definitely should trust you right?
Congrats on your 7th year! I know you wear that badge of honor but following you for 7 years, with the exception of two artists, who else are you still technically releasing from the early days? They seem to drop like flies so maybe instead of milking them all for what they are worth, you do your best to change the above before you completely oversaturate them.
Happy Xmas everyone We have always said from day one we keep up to 10% of an edition for later to do shows and vault sales Plus we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc All artists sign and agree numbers so the people who email artists and suggest it’s terrible we are selling proofs is insulting them in my opinion as all know exactly where they stand with the edition in question I said this before here etc but mr tab has still not forgiven us for calling him out for selling whatson stickers on canvases representing them as originals on eBay All the other haters are just jealous imo we do what we do well, look after every artist and their print works. Hence we are now in our 7th year still producing cracking prints Street art is such a small world and word travels fast and our rep just grows with artists as we do it the right way Someone mentioned pow they did do vault sales on banksy etc in the form of pdf to vip collectors, you just had to be on the list. We do it upfront and for everyone which was the concept way back in 2012 for everyone don’t hide it, no smoke and mirrors etc Just great prints and great prices which is what we do. Why should we sell at release prices years later it does not make sense We sell at what we are prepared to part with it for! All items from yesterday’s sale were from our Berlin show 2017 print show at urban nation from the print rack I been putting off emptying Easier to list and sell than put away Just wanted to clear that up and defend our honour! Happy Xmas everyone Hope it’s been a great year for you all and next year, even better! Next release is pez mirage put back from November to end jan
Ah with the annual (bi/tri now?) vault sale comes the annual "defend our honor" GP post.
I'm still baffled you got that many people who are collectors to like your post. I think they are missing the big picture and its this line specifically "we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc". After seeing the same PPs come up here and there, this is the part that has lost me as a customer of yours for the past two years.
For starters, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Vault sales. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with selling pieces at around market price. If there is a buyer out there that wants to spend that much, then thats on them as proven by every vault sale you've done. You don't need to explain yourself. Maybe instead of telling people you don't have any or that they aren't one of the lucky ones to catch you when you need to pay rent so you can sell, you just tell them they will be at the vault sale. Also, you're right! Your prints do come out lovely. No questioning that.
The issue with your company and until it changes should always be the issue that any collector should have with your business, are all of the un-numbered prints you put out. You mention how its 10% of the prints but how do we know? A lot of us have heard many fun stories you've done in the past with artists who no longer work with you so why should we believe it's only 10%? There is absolutely no transparency. I know at least 13 with un-numbered by Martin. Maybe its a reason why Martin's secondary market has sort of stayed stagnant over the last year or so? A time when he should be exploding.
So if that's the case, then why number regular prints at all? How about this, next release, just write "FU" as the edition and just tell us there are 300 prints out there. I mean if its ok for APs and PPs why not the FU edition? We definitely should trust you right?
Congrats on your 7th year! I know you wear that badge of honor but following you for 7 years, with the exception of two artists, who else are you still technically releasing from the early days? They seem to drop like flies so maybe instead of milking them all for what they are worth, you do your best to change the above before you completely oversaturate them.
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Graffiti Prints
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December 2006
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 27, 2018 14:04:29 GMT 1, Happy Xmas everyone We have always said from day one we keep up to 10% of an edition for later to do shows and vault sales Plus we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc All artists sign and agree numbers so the people who email artists and suggest it’s terrible we are selling proofs is insulting them in my opinion as all know exactly where they stand with the edition in question I said this before here etc but mr tab has still not forgiven us for calling him out for selling whatson stickers on canvases representing them as originals on eBay All the other haters are just jealous imo we do what we do well, look after every artist and their print works. Hence we are now in our 7th year still producing cracking prints Street art is such a small world and word travels fast and our rep just grows with artists as we do it the right way Someone mentioned pow they did do vault sales on banksy etc in the form of pdf to vip collectors, you just had to be on the list. We do it upfront and for everyone which was the concept way back in 2012 for everyone don’t hide it, no smoke and mirrors etc Just great prints and great prices which is what we do. Why should we sell at release prices years later it does not make sense We sell at what we are prepared to part with it for! All items from yesterday’s sale were from our Berlin show 2017 print show at urban nation from the print rack I been putting off emptying Easier to list and sell than put away Just wanted to clear that up and defend our honour! Happy Xmas everyone Hope it’s been a great year for you all and next year, even better! Next release is pez mirage put back from November to end jan
Ah with the annual (bi/tri now?) vault sale comes the annual "defend our honor" GP post.
I'm still baffled you got that many people who are collectors to like your post. I think they are missing the big picture and its this line specifically "we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc". After seeing the same PPs come up here and there, this is the part that has lost me as a customer of yours for the past two years.
For starters, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Vault sales. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with selling pieces at around market price. If there is a buyer out there that wants to spend that much, then thats on them as proven by every vault sale you've done. You don't need to explain yourself. Maybe instead of telling people you don't have any or that they aren't one of the lucky ones to catch you when you need to pay rent so you can sell, you just tell them they will be at the vault sale. Also, you're right! Your prints do come out lovely. No questioning that.
The issue with your company and until it changes should always be the issue that any collector should have with your business, are all of the un-numbered prints you put out. You mention how its 10% of the prints but how do we know? A lot of us have heard many fun stories you've done in the past with artists who no longer work with you so why should we believe it's only 10%? There is absolutely no transparency. I know at least 13 with un-numbered by Martin. Maybe its a reason why Martin's secondary market has sort of stayed stagnant over the last year or so? A time when he should be exploding.
So if that's the case, then why number regular prints at all? How about this, next release, just write "FU" as the edition and just tell us there are 300 prints out there. I mean if its ok for APs and PPs why not the FU edition? We definitely should trust you right?
Congrats on your 7th year! I know you wear that badge of honor but following you for 7 years, with the exception of two artists, who else are you still technically releasing from the early days? They seem to drop like flies so maybe instead of milking them all for what they are worth, you do your best to change the above before you completely oversaturate them.
So you are effectively saying
We are either printing out more prints later or when we print edition we secretly print more and sign for the artist and sell?
You realise the power of that accusation/slander?
Because each artist we work with is more than clear what the edition is and how many proofs there are!
All sign and that’s it.
You think we would sign and forge prints?
Kill the dream, we love doing and been a dream since the day i started collecting?
The simple answer is NO
Happy Xmas everyone We have always said from day one we keep up to 10% of an edition for later to do shows and vault sales Plus we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc All artists sign and agree numbers so the people who email artists and suggest it’s terrible we are selling proofs is insulting them in my opinion as all know exactly where they stand with the edition in question I said this before here etc but mr tab has still not forgiven us for calling him out for selling whatson stickers on canvases representing them as originals on eBay All the other haters are just jealous imo we do what we do well, look after every artist and their print works. Hence we are now in our 7th year still producing cracking prints Street art is such a small world and word travels fast and our rep just grows with artists as we do it the right way Someone mentioned pow they did do vault sales on banksy etc in the form of pdf to vip collectors, you just had to be on the list. We do it upfront and for everyone which was the concept way back in 2012 for everyone don’t hide it, no smoke and mirrors etc Just great prints and great prices which is what we do. Why should we sell at release prices years later it does not make sense We sell at what we are prepared to part with it for! All items from yesterday’s sale were from our Berlin show 2017 print show at urban nation from the print rack I been putting off emptying Easier to list and sell than put away Just wanted to clear that up and defend our honour! Happy Xmas everyone Hope it’s been a great year for you all and next year, even better! Next release is pez mirage put back from November to end jan
Ah with the annual (bi/tri now?) vault sale comes the annual "defend our honor" GP post.
I'm still baffled you got that many people who are collectors to like your post. I think they are missing the big picture and its this line specifically "we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc". After seeing the same PPs come up here and there, this is the part that has lost me as a customer of yours for the past two years.
For starters, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Vault sales. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with selling pieces at around market price. If there is a buyer out there that wants to spend that much, then thats on them as proven by every vault sale you've done. You don't need to explain yourself. Maybe instead of telling people you don't have any or that they aren't one of the lucky ones to catch you when you need to pay rent so you can sell, you just tell them they will be at the vault sale. Also, you're right! Your prints do come out lovely. No questioning that.
The issue with your company and until it changes should always be the issue that any collector should have with your business, are all of the un-numbered prints you put out. You mention how its 10% of the prints but how do we know? A lot of us have heard many fun stories you've done in the past with artists who no longer work with you so why should we believe it's only 10%? There is absolutely no transparency. I know at least 13 with un-numbered by Martin. Maybe its a reason why Martin's secondary market has sort of stayed stagnant over the last year or so? A time when he should be exploding.
So if that's the case, then why number regular prints at all? How about this, next release, just write "FU" as the edition and just tell us there are 300 prints out there. I mean if its ok for APs and PPs why not the FU edition? We definitely should trust you right?
Congrats on your 7th year! I know you wear that badge of honor but following you for 7 years, with the exception of two artists, who else are you still technically releasing from the early days? They seem to drop like flies so maybe instead of milking them all for what they are worth, you do your best to change the above before you completely oversaturate them.
So you are effectively saying We are either printing out more prints later or when we print edition we secretly print more and sign for the artist and sell? You realise the power of that accusation/slander? Because each artist we work with is more than clear what the edition is and how many proofs there are! All sign and that’s it. You think we would sign and forge prints? Kill the dream, we love doing and been a dream since the day i started collecting? The simple answer is NO
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ransacked99
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December 2018
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 27, 2018 14:27:00 GMT 1,
Ah with the annual (bi/tri now?) vault sale comes the annual "defend our honor" GP post.
I'm still baffled you got that many people who are collectors to like your post. I think they are missing the big picture and its this line specifically "we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc". After seeing the same PPs come up here and there, this is the part that has lost me as a customer of yours for the past two years.
For starters, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Vault sales. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with selling pieces at around market price. If there is a buyer out there that wants to spend that much, then thats on them as proven by every vault sale you've done. You don't need to explain yourself. Maybe instead of telling people you don't have any or that they aren't one of the lucky ones to catch you when you need to pay rent so you can sell, you just tell them they will be at the vault sale. Also, you're right! Your prints do come out lovely. No questioning that.
The issue with your company and until it changes should always be the issue that any collector should have with your business, are all of the un-numbered prints you put out. You mention how its 10% of the prints but how do we know? A lot of us have heard many fun stories you've done in the past with artists who no longer work with you so why should we believe it's only 10%? There is absolutely no transparency. I know at least 13 with un-numbered by Martin. Maybe its a reason why Martin's secondary market has sort of stayed stagnant over the last year or so? A time when he should be exploding.
So if that's the case, then why number regular prints at all? How about this, next release, just write "FU" as the edition and just tell us there are 300 prints out there. I mean if its ok for APs and PPs why not the FU edition? We definitely should trust you right?
Congrats on your 7th year! I know you wear that badge of honor but following you for 7 years, with the exception of two artists, who else are you still technically releasing from the early days? They seem to drop like flies so maybe instead of milking them all for what they are worth, you do your best to change the above before you completely oversaturate them.
So you are effectively saying We are either printing out more prints later or when we print edition we secretly print more and sign for the artist and sell? You realise the power of that accusation/slander? Because each artist we work with is more than clear what the edition is and how many proofs there are! All sign and that’s it. You think we would sign and forge prints? Kill the dream, we love doing and been a dream since the day i started collecting? The simple answer is NO
You're good at this. Yes, what I'm effectively saying is that you actually aren't clear on your PP and AP editions ever. You nor any artist has given us a number of exact amount of prints out there. You just sit there expecting us to trust you and go off the fact that it's 10%. So if run is 250, you seriously expect me to sit here and believe that you only printed out 25 prints that includes aps, pps and damages? Right.
Ah with the annual (bi/tri now?) vault sale comes the annual "defend our honor" GP post.
I'm still baffled you got that many people who are collectors to like your post. I think they are missing the big picture and its this line specifically "we have proofs which are never more than 10% of an edition, usually a lot less after replacements etc". After seeing the same PPs come up here and there, this is the part that has lost me as a customer of yours for the past two years.
For starters, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Vault sales. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with selling pieces at around market price. If there is a buyer out there that wants to spend that much, then thats on them as proven by every vault sale you've done. You don't need to explain yourself. Maybe instead of telling people you don't have any or that they aren't one of the lucky ones to catch you when you need to pay rent so you can sell, you just tell them they will be at the vault sale. Also, you're right! Your prints do come out lovely. No questioning that.
The issue with your company and until it changes should always be the issue that any collector should have with your business, are all of the un-numbered prints you put out. You mention how its 10% of the prints but how do we know? A lot of us have heard many fun stories you've done in the past with artists who no longer work with you so why should we believe it's only 10%? There is absolutely no transparency. I know at least 13 with un-numbered by Martin. Maybe its a reason why Martin's secondary market has sort of stayed stagnant over the last year or so? A time when he should be exploding.
So if that's the case, then why number regular prints at all? How about this, next release, just write "FU" as the edition and just tell us there are 300 prints out there. I mean if its ok for APs and PPs why not the FU edition? We definitely should trust you right?
Congrats on your 7th year! I know you wear that badge of honor but following you for 7 years, with the exception of two artists, who else are you still technically releasing from the early days? They seem to drop like flies so maybe instead of milking them all for what they are worth, you do your best to change the above before you completely oversaturate them.
So you are effectively saying We are either printing out more prints later or when we print edition we secretly print more and sign for the artist and sell? You realise the power of that accusation/slander? Because each artist we work with is more than clear what the edition is and how many proofs there are! All sign and that’s it. You think we would sign and forge prints? Kill the dream, we love doing and been a dream since the day i started collecting? The simple answer is NO You're good at this. Yes, what I'm effectively saying is that you actually aren't clear on your PP and AP editions ever. You nor any artist has given us a number of exact amount of prints out there. You just sit there expecting us to trust you and go off the fact that it's 10%. So if run is 250, you seriously expect me to sit here and believe that you only printed out 25 prints that includes aps, pps and damages? Right.
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Graffiti Prints
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December 2006
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 27, 2018 15:06:14 GMT 1, So you are effectively saying We are either printing out more prints later or when we print edition we secretly print more and sign for the artist and sell? You realise the power of that accusation/slander? Because each artist we work with is more than clear what the edition is and how many proofs there are! All sign and that’s it. You think we would sign and forge prints? Kill the dream, we love doing and been a dream since the day i started collecting? The simple answer is NO You're good at this. Yes, what I'm effectively saying is that you actually aren't clear on your PP and AP editions ever. You nor any artist has given us a number of exact amount of prints out there. You just sit there expecting us to trust you and go off the fact that it's 10%. So if run is 250, you seriously expect me to sit here and believe that you only printed out 25 prints that includes aps, pps and damages? Right.
One last go
I don’t think I can say anything I not already said!
We have been very clear what % is proof you keep twisting that
We also said before we don’t number as it’s not an edition they are proofs
Yes 100% whenever your buying art it comes down to trust with the artist or publisher
Anyone selling unique pieces or editions you have to be certain that they are what they say they are
You are slandering us and for what gain or reason I don’t know
It’s up to anyone buying from us to trust we don’t print more then we say and sell and sell
If you knew how hard it was to just build a publishing business, sell out prints and keep printing all the time with blind faith I think you may go easier on us
The artists do because they do know and trust us completely.
the people and great businesses that came before us and failed are testimony to how hard it is
Black rat press for example, who’s quality was a game changer for us and inspired us to want to make complicated, top quality prints ran out of cash and Steam.
It’s xmas and I am trying not to upset myself by what your saying
Put yourself in our shoes, we opened gp with no massive expectations
I had already been in the business nearly 5 years with Zerocool and went no where with good artists
Because it’s so hard, somehow when we started we got noticed and went on a massive rise from that
I love what I do, I would never risk it simple.
the thought to sign a print would never cross my mind and we always rip up prints with artists if faults, extras etc
We always get crap on the videos when we post us doing that
I realised I can not appeal to everyone long ago but please think about your slander/accusations
So you are effectively saying We are either printing out more prints later or when we print edition we secretly print more and sign for the artist and sell? You realise the power of that accusation/slander? Because each artist we work with is more than clear what the edition is and how many proofs there are! All sign and that’s it. You think we would sign and forge prints? Kill the dream, we love doing and been a dream since the day i started collecting? The simple answer is NO You're good at this. Yes, what I'm effectively saying is that you actually aren't clear on your PP and AP editions ever. You nor any artist has given us a number of exact amount of prints out there. You just sit there expecting us to trust you and go off the fact that it's 10%. So if run is 250, you seriously expect me to sit here and believe that you only printed out 25 prints that includes aps, pps and damages? Right. One last go I don’t think I can say anything I not already said! We have been very clear what % is proof you keep twisting that We also said before we don’t number as it’s not an edition they are proofs Yes 100% whenever your buying art it comes down to trust with the artist or publisher Anyone selling unique pieces or editions you have to be certain that they are what they say they are You are slandering us and for what gain or reason I don’t know It’s up to anyone buying from us to trust we don’t print more then we say and sell and sell If you knew how hard it was to just build a publishing business, sell out prints and keep printing all the time with blind faith I think you may go easier on us The artists do because they do know and trust us completely. the people and great businesses that came before us and failed are testimony to how hard it is Black rat press for example, who’s quality was a game changer for us and inspired us to want to make complicated, top quality prints ran out of cash and Steam. It’s xmas and I am trying not to upset myself by what your saying Put yourself in our shoes, we opened gp with no massive expectations I had already been in the business nearly 5 years with Zerocool and went no where with good artists Because it’s so hard, somehow when we started we got noticed and went on a massive rise from that I love what I do, I would never risk it simple. the thought to sign a print would never cross my mind and we always rip up prints with artists if faults, extras etc We always get crap on the videos when we post us doing that I realised I can not appeal to everyone long ago but please think about your slander/accusations
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 27, 2018 15:25:21 GMT 1, You're good at this. Yes, what I'm effectively saying is that you actually aren't clear on your PP and AP editions ever. You nor any artist has given us a number of exact amount of prints out there. You just sit there expecting us to trust you and go off the fact that it's 10%. So if run is 250, you seriously expect me to sit here and believe that you only printed out 25 prints that includes aps, pps and damages? Right. One last go I don’t think I can say anything I not already said! We have been very clear what % is proof you keep twisting that We also said before we don’t number as it’s not an edition they are proofs Yes 100% whenever your buying art it comes down to trust with the artist or publisher Anyone selling unique pieces or editions you have to be certain that they are what they say they are You are slandering us and for what gain or reason I don’t know It’s up to anyone buying from us to trust we don’t print more then we say and sell and sell If you knew how hard it was to just build a publishing business, sell out prints and keep printing all the time with blind faith I think you may go easier on us The artists do because they do know and trust us completely. the people and great businesses that came before us and failed are testimony to how hard it is Black rat press for example, who’s quality was a game changer for us and inspired us to want to make complicated, top quality prints ran out of cash and Steam. It’s xmas and I am trying not to upset myself by what your saying Put yourself in our shoes, we opened gp with no massive expectations I had already been in the business nearly 5 years with Zerocool and went no where with good artists Because it’s so hard, somehow when we started we got noticed and went on a massive rise from that I love what I do, I would never risk it simple. the thought to sign a print would never cross my mind and we always rip up prints with artists if faults, extras etc We always get crap on the videos when we post us doing that I realised I can not appeal to everyone long ago but please think about your slander/accusations
I have absolutely no clue what you just said. Though you do seem a little defensive there buddy.
Again, you seriously expect us all to believe on a Hope Scotch edition of 150, you printed only 15 extra prints that includes APs, PPs and damages? This isn't slander. It's a question.
You're good at this. Yes, what I'm effectively saying is that you actually aren't clear on your PP and AP editions ever. You nor any artist has given us a number of exact amount of prints out there. You just sit there expecting us to trust you and go off the fact that it's 10%. So if run is 250, you seriously expect me to sit here and believe that you only printed out 25 prints that includes aps, pps and damages? Right. One last go I don’t think I can say anything I not already said! We have been very clear what % is proof you keep twisting that We also said before we don’t number as it’s not an edition they are proofs Yes 100% whenever your buying art it comes down to trust with the artist or publisher Anyone selling unique pieces or editions you have to be certain that they are what they say they are You are slandering us and for what gain or reason I don’t know It’s up to anyone buying from us to trust we don’t print more then we say and sell and sell If you knew how hard it was to just build a publishing business, sell out prints and keep printing all the time with blind faith I think you may go easier on us The artists do because they do know and trust us completely. the people and great businesses that came before us and failed are testimony to how hard it is Black rat press for example, who’s quality was a game changer for us and inspired us to want to make complicated, top quality prints ran out of cash and Steam. It’s xmas and I am trying not to upset myself by what your saying Put yourself in our shoes, we opened gp with no massive expectations I had already been in the business nearly 5 years with Zerocool and went no where with good artists Because it’s so hard, somehow when we started we got noticed and went on a massive rise from that I love what I do, I would never risk it simple. the thought to sign a print would never cross my mind and we always rip up prints with artists if faults, extras etc We always get crap on the videos when we post us doing that I realised I can not appeal to everyone long ago but please think about your slander/accusations I have absolutely no clue what you just said. Though you do seem a little defensive there buddy. Again, you seriously expect us all to believe on a Hope Scotch edition of 150, you printed only 15 extra prints that includes APs, PPs and damages? This isn't slander. It's a question.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Redbirds on Dec 27, 2018 15:27:28 GMT 1, One last go I don’t think I can say anything I not already said! We have been very clear what % is proof you keep twisting that We also said before we don’t number as it’s not an edition they are proofs Yes 100% whenever your buying art it comes down to trust with the artist or publisher Anyone selling unique pieces or editions you have to be certain that they are what they say they are You are slandering us and for what gain or reason I don’t know It’s up to anyone buying from us to trust we don’t print more then we say and sell and sell If you knew how hard it was to just build a publishing business, sell out prints and keep printing all the time with blind faith I think you may go easier on us The artists do because they do know and trust us completely. the people and great businesses that came before us and failed are testimony to how hard it is Black rat press for example, who’s quality was a game changer for us and inspired us to want to make complicated, top quality prints ran out of cash and Steam. It’s xmas and I am trying not to upset myself by what your saying Put yourself in our shoes, we opened gp with no massive expectations I had already been in the business nearly 5 years with Zerocool and went no where with good artists Because it’s so hard, somehow when we started we got noticed and went on a massive rise from that I love what I do, I would never risk it simple. the thought to sign a print would never cross my mind and we always rip up prints with artists if faults, extras etc We always get crap on the videos when we post us doing that I realised I can not appeal to everyone long ago but please think about your slander/accusations I have absolutely no clue what you just said. Though you do seem a little defensive there buddy. Again, you seriously expect us all to believe on a Hope Scotch edition of 150, you printed only 15 extra prints that includes APs, PPs and damages? This isn't slander. It's a question.
I’d be defensive also if you making shit up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome
One last go I don’t think I can say anything I not already said! We have been very clear what % is proof you keep twisting that We also said before we don’t number as it’s not an edition they are proofs Yes 100% whenever your buying art it comes down to trust with the artist or publisher Anyone selling unique pieces or editions you have to be certain that they are what they say they are You are slandering us and for what gain or reason I don’t know It’s up to anyone buying from us to trust we don’t print more then we say and sell and sell If you knew how hard it was to just build a publishing business, sell out prints and keep printing all the time with blind faith I think you may go easier on us The artists do because they do know and trust us completely. the people and great businesses that came before us and failed are testimony to how hard it is Black rat press for example, who’s quality was a game changer for us and inspired us to want to make complicated, top quality prints ran out of cash and Steam. It’s xmas and I am trying not to upset myself by what your saying Put yourself in our shoes, we opened gp with no massive expectations I had already been in the business nearly 5 years with Zerocool and went no where with good artists Because it’s so hard, somehow when we started we got noticed and went on a massive rise from that I love what I do, I would never risk it simple. the thought to sign a print would never cross my mind and we always rip up prints with artists if faults, extras etc We always get crap on the videos when we post us doing that I realised I can not appeal to everyone long ago but please think about your slander/accusations I have absolutely no clue what you just said. Though you do seem a little defensive there buddy. Again, you seriously expect us all to believe on a Hope Scotch edition of 150, you printed only 15 extra prints that includes APs, PPs and damages? This isn't slander. It's a question. I’d be defensive also if you making shit up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 27, 2018 15:44:27 GMT 1, I’d be defensive also if you makings**t up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome
Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest.
I’d be defensive also if you makings**t up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Graffiti Prints on Dec 27, 2018 15:56:25 GMT 1, I’d be defensive also if you makings**t up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest.
Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business
Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market
Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k
You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap!
I’d be defensive also if you makings**t up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest. Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap!
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Lroy on Dec 27, 2018 16:15:56 GMT 1, Dont listen to him Graffiti Prints it should be one of these 727 pseudo of cookiemonster gallery (?he has only 4 posts and only for this thread). Because of he blocked me on a Facebook competition, I have had a lot of supports of great artists and gallerists boycotting its gallery now and telling to tell around to big names how a ... he is ...
Dont listen to him Graffiti Prints it should be one of these 727 pseudo of cookiemonster gallery (?he has only 4 posts and only for this thread). Because of he blocked me on a Facebook competition, I have had a lot of supports of great artists and gallerists boycotting its gallery now and telling to tell around to big names how a ... he is ...
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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 27, 2018 16:17:19 GMT 1, Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap!
Haha you're a gem. There was a simple answer to the above and you keep choosing to go around it. Don't worry about my business. I haven't given it to you in two years but to the other people who collect from you and see some of these artists as investments, Id be careful. You still haven't given us a number of proofs out there and I doubt you ever will.
Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap! Haha you're a gem. There was a simple answer to the above and you keep choosing to go around it. Don't worry about my business. I haven't given it to you in two years but to the other people who collect from you and see some of these artists as investments, Id be careful. You still haven't given us a number of proofs out there and I doubt you ever will.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Dive Jedi on Dec 27, 2018 18:03:12 GMT 1, Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap! Haha you're a gem. There was a simple answer to the above and you keep choosing to go around it. Don't worry about my business. I haven't given it to you in two years but to the other people who collect from you and see some of these artists as investments, Id be careful. You still haven't given us a number of proofs out there and I doubt you ever will. You obviously have been around the block on this forum a couple of times. For someone who demands complete openess from someome else it's rather shady to set up a new account just to make unfounded accusations….
Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap! Haha you're a gem. There was a simple answer to the above and you keep choosing to go around it. Don't worry about my business. I haven't given it to you in two years but to the other people who collect from you and see some of these artists as investments, Id be careful. You still haven't given us a number of proofs out there and I doubt you ever will. You obviously have been around the block on this forum a couple of times. For someone who demands complete openess from someome else it's rather shady to set up a new account just to make unfounded accusations….
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Express Post on Dec 27, 2018 18:19:22 GMT 1, Post from your main account please.
Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap! Haha you're a gem. There was a simple answer to the above and you keep choosing to go around it. Don't worry about my business. I haven't given it to you in two years but to the other people who collect from you and see some of these artists as investments, Id be careful. You still haven't given us a number of proofs out there and I doubt you ever will.
Post from your main account please. Your rude and argumentative I said all i need to say, I don’t care about your business Go open a publishing print house yourself you obviously think you identified a big gap in numbering proofs in the market Good luck, it ain’t easy and if you do succeed you will realise you have the weight of both collectors and artists on your shoulders and maybe then you will realise why we give so much of a f**k You insult us and every artist we rep with your crap! Haha you're a gem. There was a simple answer to the above and you keep choosing to go around it. Don't worry about my business. I haven't given it to you in two years but to the other people who collect from you and see some of these artists as investments, Id be careful. You still haven't given us a number of proofs out there and I doubt you ever will.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 27, 2018 18:47:37 GMT 1, I’d be defensive also if you makings**t up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest.
Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of?
Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol
I’d be defensive also if you makings**t up and insinuating they are shady -your dribble has become tiresome Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest. Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of? Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Masong on Dec 27, 2018 18:55:57 GMT 1, Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest. Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of? Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol
Wow you really can turn anything into a dig at banksy 😂
Yes it's very shady to me that we are given a percentage (that can fluctuate given certain circumstances apparently) and nothing is numbered. I've asked a question twice and have gotten his life story like he's Chunk from the Goonies next to a blender. All I'm asking for is exactly how many prints were made. Not percentages. He can go out of his way to make a coa with numbers for the regulars and put numbers in titles of the product, I believe he can do the same for the rest. Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of? Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol Wow you really can turn anything into a dig at banksy 😂
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 27, 2018 19:25:40 GMT 1, Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of? Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol Wow you really can turn anything into a dig at banksy 😂
If you see that as a dig at banksy I can't help you. 😂
Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of? Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol Wow you really can turn anything into a dig at banksy 😂 If you see that as a dig at banksy I can't help you. 😂
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by snik on Dec 27, 2018 19:47:17 GMT 1, I rarely post here, but I have to say this.
GP is 100% open and transparent with us, on how many are editions and proofs are for sale. We have personally destroyed at least 100 prints in his studio, because we weren’t happy with the final result.
This art game is so full of snakes, it’s a real pleasure to work with someone who has your best intrests at heart and looks after us like G does. I don’t understand the level of hate directed at him on this forum sometimes.
Nik
I rarely post here, but I have to say this.
GP is 100% open and transparent with us, on how many are editions and proofs are for sale. We have personally destroyed at least 100 prints in his studio, because we weren’t happy with the final result.
This art game is so full of snakes, it’s a real pleasure to work with someone who has your best intrests at heart and looks after us like G does. I don’t understand the level of hate directed at him on this forum sometimes.
Nik
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by smokie on Dec 27, 2018 21:46:38 GMT 1, I purchased a print from Graffiti Prints that was damaged during transport due to extremely high temperatures in my country (Australia) and being held up in customs. Even though this was no fault of the gallery they provided a no quibble refund as soon as I made the request. Great company
I purchased a print from Graffiti Prints that was damaged during transport due to extremely high temperatures in my country (Australia) and being held up in customs. Even though this was no fault of the gallery they provided a no quibble refund as soon as I made the request. Great company
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 27, 2018 23:23:32 GMT 1, Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago.
As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong.
Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time.
Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago.
As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong.
Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Express Post on Dec 27, 2018 23:38:08 GMT 1, If you stopped buying two years ago, why does it matter to you now?
Why not have a go at Jealous and Counter Editions with their tiered pricing, especially for Shrigley releases.
Or Pace editions for being cagey about the price of releases.
How about Heni and their selection process through the applications?
But no, you pick a print house that generally has £200-£300 releases.
Man up and fight the bigger print houses first and don't be a pussy picking on the one finding the least represented artists to show.
Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago. As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong. Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time.
If you stopped buying two years ago, why does it matter to you now? Why not have a go at Jealous and Counter Editions with their tiered pricing, especially for Shrigley releases. Or Pace editions for being cagey about the price of releases. How about Heni and their selection process through the applications? But no, you pick a print house that generally has £200-£300 releases. Man up and fight the bigger print houses first and don't be a pussy picking on the one finding the least represented artists to show. Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago. As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong. Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Dive Jedi on Dec 28, 2018 0:02:43 GMT 1, If you stopped buying two years ago, why does it matter to you now? Why not have a go at Jealous and Counter Editions with their tiered pricing, especially for Shrigley releases. Or Pace editions for being cagey about the price of releases. How about Heni and their selection process through the applications? But no, you pick a print house that generally has £200-£300 releases. Man up and fight the bigger print houses first and don't be a pussy picking on the one finding the least represented artists to show. Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago. As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong. Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time. FFS! He can't be bothered to make another 3 new accounts to complain about those guys, now can he ?!
You're so unreasonable. Some people…...
If you stopped buying two years ago, why does it matter to you now? Why not have a go at Jealous and Counter Editions with their tiered pricing, especially for Shrigley releases. Or Pace editions for being cagey about the price of releases. How about Heni and their selection process through the applications? But no, you pick a print house that generally has £200-£300 releases. Man up and fight the bigger print houses first and don't be a pussy picking on the one finding the least represented artists to show. Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago. As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong. Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time. FFS! He can't be bothered to make another 3 new accounts to complain about those guys, now can he ?! You're so unreasonable. Some people…...
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cw211
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by cw211 on Dec 28, 2018 0:05:19 GMT 1, I`m very happy with GP and are following this discussion from the “sideline”.
Since we are talking about art that represent a value for the owner (like stocks in the stock market) I think it would clarify a lot if the total amount of prints was known at the release (including AP/PP`s). E.g. edition on 100 (+ 10 AP and 10 PP).
I have always thought that max amount of AP/PP could not be more than 10% of print edition, and that AP/PP`s should be also numbered? Am I wrong? hanguppictures.com/blog-post/understanding-different-print-runs-ap-pp-hc-type www.christies.com/features/Prints-Collecting-Guide-7471-1.aspx
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unkle77
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by unkle77 on Dec 28, 2018 0:27:40 GMT 1, i purchased a Beejoir Pastel 20-Spot AP from them and could not be happier. price of it was a bit more than the secondary market but i was happy to pay that given it came from the source and was not misc. handled by who knows how many people.
although i do understand the controversy.. as a collector, i do like to know how many of the print i have are out there, not a % estimate. it really should not be that hard to give out those numbers to those people who own or purchase them. i would assume, or hope, that the exact print #'s of a print... how many in the normal print run, how many PP's, how many AP's... would have been recorded and tracked somewhere.
i dont think anyone is accusing GP of printing more after the fact, we just want to know the #'s
i purchased a Beejoir Pastel 20-Spot AP from them and could not be happier. price of it was a bit more than the secondary market but i was happy to pay that given it came from the source and was not misc. handled by who knows how many people. although i do understand the controversy.. as a collector, i do like to know how many of the print i have are out there, not a % estimate. it really should not be that hard to give out those numbers to those people who own or purchase them. i would assume, or hope, that the exact print #'s of a print... how many in the normal print run, how many PP's, how many AP's... would have been recorded and tracked somewhere. i dont think anyone is accusing GP of printing more after the fact, we just want to know the #'s
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 28, 2018 1:15:30 GMT 1, Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago. As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong. Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time.
Please post a list of the art prints you own and then the 100% proof of everyone with how many copies were made.
Thanks
Not sure who I am or post count matters in this situation. At the end of the day, people are buying into essentially a print that can have many copies. You’re all just choosing to trust someone you know nothing about. Myself and many stopped falling into this a while ago. As you can see GP, you have built an amazing and loyal following. Even still without any concrete numbers of what you have sold (we all know 10% is ridiculous for aps, pps and damages - 15 prints for Hope Scotch - ha) and diversion tactics for days, they love you. Can do no wrong. Looking forward to the next vault sale or whenever someone catches you at the right time. Please post a list of the art prints you own and then the 100% proof of everyone with how many copies were made. Thanks
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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 28, 2018 2:29:07 GMT 1,
According to this conversation with GP, it's 10% but that would mean he only prints 10-20 total for most of these releases and we all know that's not true. All I'm asking for are concrete numbers. I'm not questioning artists and their regular editions where they actually number. I want to know what is this "10%" comprised of. Maybe Snik can give us a number being that the same prints of his are always being sold.
According to this conversation with GP, it's 10% but that would mean he only prints 10-20 total for most of these releases and we all know that's not true. All I'm asking for are concrete numbers. I'm not questioning artists and their regular editions where they actually number. I want to know what is this "10%" comprised of. Maybe Snik can give us a number being that the same prints of his are always being sold.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Express Post on Dec 28, 2018 2:46:42 GMT 1, I mean this respectfully, but GP doesn't have to answer to you. Probably more productive use of your time would be to go to a museum and enjoy art or get a puppy. Happy New Year.
According to this conversation with GP, it's 10% but that would mean he only prints 10-20 total for most of these releases and we all know that's not true. All I'm asking for are concrete numbers. I'm not questioning artists and their regular editions where they actually number. I want to know what is this "10%" comprised of. Maybe Snik can give us a number being that the same prints of his are always being sold.
I mean this respectfully, but GP doesn't have to answer to you. Probably more productive use of your time would be to go to a museum and enjoy art or get a puppy. Happy New Year. According to this conversation with GP, it's 10% but that would mean he only prints 10-20 total for most of these releases and we all know that's not true. All I'm asking for are concrete numbers. I'm not questioning artists and their regular editions where they actually number. I want to know what is this "10%" comprised of. Maybe Snik can give us a number being that the same prints of his are always being sold.
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Hairbland
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Hairbland on Dec 28, 2018 2:49:20 GMT 1, Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of? Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol Wow you really can turn anything into a dig at banksy 😂 It’s like his very own personal version of Godwin’s Law.
Are you also calling out banksy for not proving that he printed the actual number of prints that the editions are numbered out of? Do you get confirmation from every artist and printer in the world with the exact number of prints? Do you have a master spreadsheet? Lol Wow you really can turn anything into a dig at banksy 😂 It’s like his very own personal version of Godwin’s Law.
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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 28, 2018 3:05:40 GMT 1, I mean this respectfully, but GP doesn't have to answer to you. Probably more productive use of your time would be to go to a museum and enjoy art or get a puppy. Happy New Year.
Oh I know he wasn't answering. That's sort of where I was going with all of this. I would think someone who sells to a limited market would understand. However, He'll continue doing what he does and ppl will blindly continue spending 1k on "limited" pieces that they know nothing about. Like I mentioned earlier, no need to number regular editions. Just say 100% of the run are regular "x" amount of prints and 10% are pp,aps and damages. We all trust each other so it's fine.
I mean this respectfully, but GP doesn't have to answer to you. Probably more productive use of your time would be to go to a museum and enjoy art or get a puppy. Happy New Year. Oh I know he wasn't answering. That's sort of where I was going with all of this. I would think someone who sells to a limited market would understand. However, He'll continue doing what he does and ppl will blindly continue spending 1k on "limited" pieces that they know nothing about. Like I mentioned earlier, no need to number regular editions. Just say 100% of the run are regular "x" amount of prints and 10% are pp,aps and damages. We all trust each other so it's fine.
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