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Banksy Love Rat Print, by funkrye on May 29, 2008 21:22:10 GMT 1, I looked at that signature and my opinion is that it's total s**te! I couldn't be bothered to open a thread about it as everyone's opinion differs! Thing is although Banksy didn't sign the whole batch together and even though his signature has changed over the years, there are some characteristics that remain. for instance the pencil running from the 'A' to the 'N' should start the N at the bottom, not the top! Here is a good example of a signed 'Love Rat' (Stamp on left)  Here's the one on Ebay (Stamp on right)  Two other things to consider; 1. Although POW were a little haphazard in stamping the prints, from what I have seen of these all the unsigned had the stamp on the right and all the signed had it on the left, the only two signed I have seen with the stamp on the right as well as the signature have looked fake!(Too big a coincidence IMO) 2. No one has bid on it yet, and starting at £3.5k is a good price! I beleive that whoever is selling has the details of a numbered print (ie the original registered buyer) a fake signature has been applied and the number changed! This is only my opinion and I know others will think differently, but I wouldn't touch this print with yours, let alone mine! Regardless of provenance, it stinks! Here is another example of what I consider to be forged!(Stamp on right) 
If this is fake isn't it an example why back door prints should be frowned upon?
and surely by now people know POW stamped the prints any side they felt like.
I looked at that signature and my opinion is that it's total s**te! I couldn't be bothered to open a thread about it as everyone's opinion differs! Thing is although Banksy didn't sign the whole batch together and even though his signature has changed over the years, there are some characteristics that remain. for instance the pencil running from the 'A' to the 'N' should start the N at the bottom, not the top! Here is a good example of a signed 'Love Rat' (Stamp on left) Here's the one on Ebay (Stamp on right) Two other things to consider; 1. Although POW were a little haphazard in stamping the prints, from what I have seen of these all the unsigned had the stamp on the right and all the signed had it on the left, the only two signed I have seen with the stamp on the right as well as the signature have looked fake!(Too big a coincidence IMO) 2. No one has bid on it yet, and starting at £3.5k is a good price! I beleive that whoever is selling has the details of a numbered print (ie the original registered buyer) a fake signature has been applied and the number changed! This is only my opinion and I know others will think differently, but I wouldn't touch this print with yours, let alone mine! Regardless of provenance, it stinks! Here is another example of what I consider to be forged!(Stamp on right) If this is fake isn't it an example why back door prints should be frowned upon? and surely by now people know POW stamped the prints any side they felt like. |
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by junkieart on May 29, 2008 22:10:21 GMT 1, totally agree PUD, started reading it as the first signature was dodgy! because of my size of screen and panicked thinking that looks good to me!!!
Happily read the rest, yes the second one looks crap to me !!! JA
totally agree PUD, started reading it as the first signature was dodgy! because of my size of screen and panicked thinking that looks good to me!!!
Happily read the rest, yes the second one looks crap to me !!! JA
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by Daz on May 29, 2008 23:37:05 GMT 1, def get it to pow, signature and stamp look iffy imo
def get it to pow, signature and stamp look iffy imo
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by Heavyconsumer on May 30, 2008 2:56:30 GMT 1, Yup, I think the sig looks off too, there are some major differences in the individual letters, that might suggest they've not been written by the same hand, but having been signed to far apart time-wise, it's hard to be sure unless you're an expert on handwriting (which I am not - but to me the letters look they've been formed differently). POW is a must! I wouldn't go near it otherwise.
Yup, I think the sig looks off too, there are some major differences in the individual letters, that might suggest they've not been written by the same hand, but having been signed to far apart time-wise, it's hard to be sure unless you're an expert on handwriting (which I am not - but to me the letters look they've been formed differently). POW is a must! I wouldn't go near it otherwise.
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by waXology on May 30, 2008 6:06:55 GMT 1, Not only the sig but look at what you can see of the actual images themselves. the top one loosk crisp while the 'fake' one underneath looks different. the stencil looks different. totally fake,.
Not only the sig but look at what you can see of the actual images themselves. the top one loosk crisp while the 'fake' one underneath looks different. the stencil looks different. totally fake,.
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by jonpud on May 30, 2008 8:42:30 GMT 1, Not only the sig but look at what you can see of the actual images themselves. the top one loosk crisp while the 'fake' one underneath looks different. the stencil looks different. totally fake,.
I think the print itself is a genuine POW print, ignoring the backdoor genuine prints and a few that Banksy gave out to fellow Artists and friends I am only aware of a couple of totally fake prints that were not printed by POW, I think I'm right in saying that they originated in Japan!
The pictures look slightly different because of poor photography.
I am 100% convinced that this was an unsigned edition and someone has tried to copy Banksy's signature, they must have access to the details of the registered owner which makes it all the more worrying! You wouldn't even be able to confirm authenticity with POW!!!!!
Crazy Jake has authenticity sewn up IMO, he sent me a print complete with a crisp new $1 Bill, the serial number on the Bill is unique and is registered against the print and my name, if you can't offer the Bill up with the print then you can't prove it's genuine, nice if POW took up this idea with£5.00 notes, wouldn't cost them anything as I am sure we would all be willing to pay the extra £5.00 to give 100% peace of mind!
Just one more thing, I bought a signed Love Rat from someone who also had a signed Welcome to Hell, both prints were bought by this woman in person from POW she had ALL receipts and proof of the transaction. When it came to confirming the ownership with POW (which I do in ALL cases) the print was not registered in her name. It turns out that an 'oversight' on POW's behalf meant that another print was numbered the same as they had forgotten to enter the details of the buyer into the register! After much discussion, POW took back the print and re-numbered it with an un-issued number and then registered it in my name!
My point is.........It's pretty easy to remove the number and pencil in a new one! Just add's to the argument!
What's to stop me signing my 'unsigned' Napalm and giving it the same number as my 'signed' edition? I then sell the unsigned for a small fortune as I have the registered details of the owner! A few years later I sell the genuine signed edition.....easy money! Especially when all these sellers blur out the edition number so the true owner of the print doesn't see the same number up for sale!
One more very small and remote theory, what if they needed to ship out a 'signed' copy from POW and Banksy was away for several months and couldn't sign? Remote I know but these were the early days of POW and before Banksy became the phenomenon he is today, could it have been signed by a member of POW staff? Stranger things have happened!! 
Not only the sig but look at what you can see of the actual images themselves. the top one loosk crisp while the 'fake' one underneath looks different. the stencil looks different. totally fake,. I think the print itself is a genuine POW print, ignoring the backdoor genuine prints and a few that Banksy gave out to fellow Artists and friends I am only aware of a couple of totally fake prints that were not printed by POW, I think I'm right in saying that they originated in Japan! The pictures look slightly different because of poor photography. I am 100% convinced that this was an unsigned edition and someone has tried to copy Banksy's signature, they must have access to the details of the registered owner which makes it all the more worrying! You wouldn't even be able to confirm authenticity with POW!!!!! Crazy Jake has authenticity sewn up IMO, he sent me a print complete with a crisp new $1 Bill, the serial number on the Bill is unique and is registered against the print and my name, if you can't offer the Bill up with the print then you can't prove it's genuine, nice if POW took up this idea with£5.00 notes, wouldn't cost them anything as I am sure we would all be willing to pay the extra £5.00 to give 100% peace of mind! Just one more thing, I bought a signed Love Rat from someone who also had a signed Welcome to Hell, both prints were bought by this woman in person from POW she had ALL receipts and proof of the transaction. When it came to confirming the ownership with POW (which I do in ALL cases) the print was not registered in her name. It turns out that an 'oversight' on POW's behalf meant that another print was numbered the same as they had forgotten to enter the details of the buyer into the register! After much discussion, POW took back the print and re-numbered it with an un-issued number and then registered it in my name! My point is.........It's pretty easy to remove the number and pencil in a new one! Just add's to the argument! What's to stop me signing my 'unsigned' Napalm and giving it the same number as my 'signed' edition? I then sell the unsigned for a small fortune as I have the registered details of the owner! A few years later I sell the genuine signed edition.....easy money! Especially when all these sellers blur out the edition number so the true owner of the print doesn't see the same number up for sale! One more very small and remote theory, what if they needed to ship out a 'signed' copy from POW and Banksy was away for several months and couldn't sign? Remote I know but these were the early days of POW and before Banksy became the phenomenon he is today, could it have been signed by a member of POW staff? Stranger things have happened!! |
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by viperuk on May 31, 2008 12:26:16 GMT 1, I contacted the seller regarding this and informed them that I wanted to purchase but have POW verify the print before funds were transferred, no response from the seller and he/she then removed the print from ebay...!!!
I contacted the seller regarding this and informed them that I wanted to purchase but have POW verify the print before funds were transferred, no response from the seller and he/she then removed the print from ebay...!!!
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by jonpud on May 31, 2008 15:02:53 GMT 1, I contacted the seller regarding this and informed them that I wanted to purchase but have POW verify the print before funds were transferred, no response from the seller and he/she then removed the print from ebay...!!!
Think that says it all!!!!
I contacted the seller regarding this and informed them that I wanted to purchase but have POW verify the print before funds were transferred, no response from the seller and he/she then removed the print from ebay...!!! Think that says it all!!!! |
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by insite on Jun 2, 2008 11:28:46 GMT 1, Had a bit of luck at the weekend and hopefully my paypal account should be looking quite healthy in a couple of days so thought I'd put some feelers out.
I'd like too get another U/S Banksy, ideally I'd like an old street image and top of my list would be a Love Rat. Last one on ebay went for £950 which is what I can afford. I'm not sure what the placard Rats are going for but suspect it's a bit more but would also love any of them, I could maybe raise some more cash for one or do a cash + a print deal.
If no rats are forthcoming then I also really like Monkey Queen.
As too more recent stuff, got a soft spot for Grannies and I just read a post saying that a Jack and Jill went for £950 so if anyone wants to sell at that price I'd be interested.
Drop me a pm with any vague offers.
Had a bit of luck at the weekend and hopefully my paypal account should be looking quite healthy in a couple of days so thought I'd put some feelers out.
I'd like too get another U/S Banksy, ideally I'd like an old street image and top of my list would be a Love Rat. Last one on ebay went for £950 which is what I can afford. I'm not sure what the placard Rats are going for but suspect it's a bit more but would also love any of them, I could maybe raise some more cash for one or do a cash + a print deal.
If no rats are forthcoming then I also really like Monkey Queen.
As too more recent stuff, got a soft spot for Grannies and I just read a post saying that a Jack and Jill went for £950 so if anyone wants to sell at that price I'd be interested.
Drop me a pm with any vague offers.
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by insite on Jun 2, 2008 16:37:51 GMT 1, One more for the list, the last three CND's on ebay have all gone for under £900 so I wouldn't mind one of them while they're cheap.
One more for the list, the last three CND's on ebay have all gone for under £900 so I wouldn't mind one of them while they're cheap.
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by insite on Jun 4, 2008 11:40:06 GMT 1, Bump my wish list.
Looking for an U/S Banksy top of my list would be a Love Rat, last one sold at £950.
Love Monkey Queen but not sure of market price at the moment.
CND Soldiers, last three sold at £900 and under, cheapest was under £800
Jack and Jill/Police Kids last one sold for £950
Last but not least Grannies
Drop me a line with any offers, cheers.
Bump my wish list.
Looking for an U/S Banksy top of my list would be a Love Rat, last one sold at £950.
Love Monkey Queen but not sure of market price at the moment.
CND Soldiers, last three sold at £900 and under, cheapest was under £800
Jack and Jill/Police Kids last one sold for £950
Last but not least Grannies
Drop me a line with any offers, cheers.
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by funyoung on Jun 4, 2008 13:06:44 GMT 1, Mate, don't have anything to sell you but - how about waiting a couple of months and then picking up a S&S for about that money? Everything seems to be dropping at the moment.
Are those all ebay prices?
Mate, don't have anything to sell you but - how about waiting a couple of months and then picking up a S&S for about that money? Everything seems to be dropping at the moment.
Are those all ebay prices?
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by valium on Jun 4, 2008 13:12:44 GMT 1, Are these prices for signed prints?
Are these prices for signed prints?
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by insite on Jun 4, 2008 14:53:53 GMT 1, Mate, don't have anything to sell you but - how about waiting a couple of months and then picking up a S&S for about that money? Everything seems to be dropping at the moment. Are those all ebay prices?
Funyoung, you know what even if S&S comes down to this level I'd still rather have a Love Rat, well maybe a Rat and a Monkey Queen at that point.
All those prices are ebay, I'm just gutted my sale didn't go through until after they all finished.
Valium, those are all U/S prices. If I could afford a signed I'd still buy an U/S, plus a new car, family holiday and a huge T.V. signed prints are all well and nice but that's a very expensive autograph Mr B's got.
Mate, don't have anything to sell you but - how about waiting a couple of months and then picking up a S&S for about that money? Everything seems to be dropping at the moment. Are those all ebay prices? Funyoung, you know what even if S&S comes down to this level I'd still rather have a Love Rat, well maybe a Rat and a Monkey Queen at that point. All those prices are ebay, I'm just gutted my sale didn't go through until after they all finished. Valium, those are all U/S prices. If I could afford a signed I'd still buy an U/S, plus a new car, family holiday and a huge T.V. signed prints are all well and nice but that's a very expensive autograph Mr B's got. |
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by drhouse on Jun 19, 2008 11:06:57 GMT 1, I have this on ebay too but just so you know about it...
I have an unsigned love rat, 377/600 for sale. Full POW prov, can collect and pay cash or pay cheque and I will post fully insured.
Also of course the buyer can confirm details with POW before any cash changes hands.
All reasonnable offers considered, please PM me. Thanks
I have this on ebay too but just so you know about it...
I have an unsigned love rat, 377/600 for sale. Full POW prov, can collect and pay cash or pay cheque and I will post fully insured.
Also of course the buyer can confirm details with POW before any cash changes hands.
All reasonnable offers considered, please PM me. Thanks
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by G-Man on Jul 2, 2008 19:43:34 GMT 1, Just picked up a Love Rat finally!!
Now need to balance the books...
I know some of these are going for less than cost so PM me an offer and I'll consider
SICKBOY - Biting Silver
SICKBOY - Pyramid Gold
3D DEL NAJA - Renewable Fuel
DFace - SI5
FGW - NW version
;D ;D ;D
I'm after a IFTL next if you can help me out???
Just picked up a Love Rat finally!!
Now need to balance the books...
I know some of these are going for less than cost so PM me an offer and I'll consider
SICKBOY - Biting Silver
SICKBOY - Pyramid Gold
3D DEL NAJA - Renewable Fuel
DFace - SI5
FGW - NW version
;D ;D ;D
I'm after a IFTL next if you can help me out???
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by G-Man on Jul 3, 2008 9:53:20 GMT 1, morning bump
morning bump
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by joannasaurus allan on Jul 17, 2008 10:13:29 GMT 1, This is also on Auction Saboteur at the moment.
It is listed for £7500 but any offers please PM me. All considered.
Can be collected/posted whatever you prefer, and I will accept paypal, cheque, bankers draft or paypal (I am willing to pay the paypal fees to ensure better buyer security if required)
Any other questions please ask...
This is also on Auction Saboteur at the moment.
It is listed for £7500 but any offers please PM me. All considered.
Can be collected/posted whatever you prefer, and I will accept paypal, cheque, bankers draft or paypal (I am willing to pay the paypal fees to ensure better buyer security if required)
Any other questions please ask...
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by alsbabar on Jul 17, 2008 10:18:44 GMT 1, where are you/print located, can you PM me pics please?
where are you/print located, can you PM me pics please?
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by alsbabar on Jul 17, 2008 10:31:01 GMT 1, This is also on Auction Saboteur at the moment. It is listed for £7500 but any offers please PM me. All considered. Can be collected/posted whatever you prefer, and I will accept paypal, cheque, bankers draft or paypal (I am willing to pay the paypal fees to ensure better buyer security if required) Any other questions please ask...
didnt you sell this exact one on ebay last week for £3300?
This is also on Auction Saboteur at the moment. It is listed for £7500 but any offers please PM me. All considered. Can be collected/posted whatever you prefer, and I will accept paypal, cheque, bankers draft or paypal (I am willing to pay the paypal fees to ensure better buyer security if required) Any other questions please ask... didnt you sell this exact one on ebay last week for £3300? |
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by alsbabar on Jul 17, 2008 10:59:02 GMT 1, Love Rat sold by a Rat!!!!
This print was sold to me 2 weeks ago on ebay - I was in contact with the seller, who sent me pics etc and we agreed that I will get Dora @ POW to authentic the piece, before paypalling the money, seller agreed this was cool. I was subsequently emailed by a Joanna Sneddon (this forum member), to inform me that her email and ebay accounts had been hacked and that she didnt have the print to sell. So the sale was made null and void by Ebay.
To my surprise this has now appeared on here and on Auctionsaboteur for double what we agreed to buy it for - on a BIN price.
Do not trust this seller - the print is either a fake or the account is!!!
Here is a picture of the print - signature looks well dink
Love Rat sold by a Rat!!!! This print was sold to me 2 weeks ago on ebay - I was in contact with the seller, who sent me pics etc and we agreed that I will get Dora @ POW to authentic the piece, before paypalling the money, seller agreed this was cool. I was subsequently emailed by a Joanna Sneddon (this forum member), to inform me that her email and ebay accounts had been hacked and that she didnt have the print to sell. So the sale was made null and void by Ebay. To my surprise this has now appeared on here and on Auctionsaboteur for double what we agreed to buy it for - on a BIN price. Do not trust this seller - the print is either a fake or the account is!!! Here is a picture of the print - signature looks well dink |
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 11:08:43 GMT 1, That is very suspect, maybe the person who offered it on here earlier can explain? or not?. Is there a section on this forum for this type of warning? like a sort of suspected fraud section?.
That is very suspect, maybe the person who offered it on here earlier can explain? or not?. Is there a section on this forum for this type of warning? like a sort of suspected fraud section?.
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by Photoxtc on Jul 17, 2008 11:10:12 GMT 1, Yikes...
I've had the very same s**t happen to me... tends to piss you off a bit!
Not with this seller just the same circumstances
Yikes... I've had the very same s**t happen to me... tends to piss you off a bit! Not with this seller just the same circumstances |
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by sonofwezzley on Jul 17, 2008 11:10:52 GMT 1, Deary me...the worlds worst scammer?
look at their previous posts;
"...I was just wondering, how do you know the seller of many signed prints havent changed the number on them and forged a signature, especially on ebay?"
then "Any unsigned rats for sale?"
banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=jls022
hmmmmm?!
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by alsbabar on Jul 17, 2008 11:24:53 GMT 1, nice one Sonofwezzley - this person has been well and truly rumbled
Buys an unsigned and forges it to make it appear to be a signed one
of course they have the name of someone who bought an original from POW - so they can use his name to forge a signed version
nice one Sonofwezzley - this person has been well and truly rumbled
Buys an unsigned and forges it to make it appear to be a signed one
of course they have the name of someone who bought an original from POW - so they can use his name to forge a signed version
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by sonofwezzley on Jul 17, 2008 11:35:06 GMT 1, Another classic from their past posts
"Ok thanks guys. How awful that someone could deface a print from an already limited edition to make a fast buck though. Grrr!"
Another classic from their past posts
"Ok thanks guys. How awful that someone could deface a print from an already limited edition to make a fast buck though. Grrr!"
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by brun on Jul 17, 2008 12:33:23 GMT 1, send the boys round !
send the boys round !
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by top on Jul 17, 2008 13:00:24 GMT 1, Get the eraser out Joanna..
haha
Get the eraser out Joanna..
haha
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by top on Jul 17, 2008 13:04:10 GMT 1, Read through her posts and you will see a number of anomalies..
Read through her posts and you will see a number of anomalies..
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Banksy Love Rat Print, by manchestermike on Jul 17, 2008 13:04:56 GMT 1, alsbabar - if you still have her detail I recommend you inform Pest Control
alsbabar - if you still have her detail I recommend you inform Pest Control
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