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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Extra Ball on Oct 9, 2018 11:25:05 GMT 1, Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame....
all this, even if the shot is well played me a serious problem
Banksy and his collective are they quite contemptuous of buyers that only the buzz is important.
Is Sotheby's integrated in its sales or does it handle the auctions?
Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame.... totally agree with you. all this is a big scam done by the collective Banksy with the agreement of the auction house. To take the buyers of his pieces hostage is a real lack of respect towards them. all this, even if the shot is well played me a serious problem Banksy and his collective are they quite contemptuous of buyers that only the buzz is important. Is Sotheby's integrated in its sales or does it handle the auctions? |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by met on Oct 9, 2018 11:57:11 GMT 1, Good to see Jonathan Jones, of all people, laying into the My Art Broker Joey buffoon and his ilk
An excellent article. Thanks for posting. Jonathan Jones is always worth reading.He is spot on when he criticises people who keep talking about how much the artwork is now worth. Art should be about the appreciation of the image, not about how much it is worth or how much it might be worth in the future. As Jones says, it's perhaps the best thing he has ever done.
This would be my position as well.
Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]
That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to.
Good to see Jonathan Jones, of all people, laying into the My Art Broker Joey buffoon and his ilk
An excellent article. Thanks for posting. Jonathan Jones is always worth reading.He is spot on when he criticises people who keep talking about how much the artwork is now worth. Art should be about the appreciation of the image, not about how much it is worth or how much it might be worth in the future. As Jones says, it's perhaps the best thing he has ever done. This would be my position as well. Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by toshspice on Oct 9, 2018 12:22:34 GMT 1, An excellent article. Thanks for posting. Jonathan Jones is always worth reading.He is spot on when he criticises people who keep talking about how much the artwork is now worth. Art should be about the appreciation of the image, not about how much it is worth or how much it might be worth in the future. As Jones says, it's perhaps the best thing he has ever done. This would be my position as well. Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to.
No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French.
This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon.
"Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity
"This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. "
In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great?
Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloon
An excellent article. Thanks for posting. Jonathan Jones is always worth reading.He is spot on when he criticises people who keep talking about how much the artwork is now worth. Art should be about the appreciation of the image, not about how much it is worth or how much it might be worth in the future. As Jones says, it's perhaps the best thing he has ever done. This would be my position as well. Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to. No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloon |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:27:19 GMT 1, If anyone is unfamiliar with Jonathan Jones, here is his piece on a 9/11 photograph. As always, it is thoughtful and considered. I love the way he includes W.H. Auden's poem.
"About suffering they were never wrong,
The old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position: how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along..."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/911-photo-thomas-hoepker-meaning
If anyone is unfamiliar with Jonathan Jones, here is his piece on a 9/11 photograph. As always, it is thoughtful and considered. I love the way he includes W.H. Auden's poem. "About suffering they were never wrong,
The old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position: how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along..."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/911-photo-thomas-hoepker-meaning
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by dogstar on Oct 9, 2018 12:29:24 GMT 1, If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point. Banksy has always been a business and marketing plan. You can believe otherwise.
If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point. Banksy has always been a business and marketing plan. You can believe otherwise. Or you can know otherwise. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:34:17 GMT 1, No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloon
No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloonOf course "Girl with Balloon" is not the greatest artwork. Jonathan Jones is absolutely right. I like it but there are literally millions of artworks that are far superior to it. Anything by Michelangelo or Francis Bacon, for a start, to take two very different artists. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Dive Jedi on Oct 9, 2018 12:37:04 GMT 1, No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloonOf course "Girl with Balloon" is not the greatest artwork. Jonathan Meades is absolutely right. I like it but there are literally millions of artworks that are far superior to it. Anything by Michelangelo or Francis Bacon, for a start, to take two very different artists.
Ah, yes. Michelangelo, the famous Brittish painter……
No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloonOf course "Girl with Balloon" is not the greatest artwork. Jonathan Meades is absolutely right. I like it but there are literally millions of artworks that are far superior to it. Anything by Michelangelo or Francis Bacon, for a start, to take two very different artists. Ah, yes. Michelangelo, the famous Brittish painter…… |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:38:42 GMT 1, Who said anything about "British painters"?
Who said anything about "British painters"?
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:48:48 GMT 1, When Jonathan Jones said..."Under its fake radicalism, Banksy’s Girl with Balloon is the kind of sentimental tosh our great grandparents too would have voted as Britain’s best-loved" he is, of course, absolutely right. If people think that is snobbery then they need to take a cold hard look at themselves in the mirror. There's a huge amount of inverted snobbery around.
When Jonathan Jones said..."Under its fake radicalism, Banksy’s Girl with Balloon is the kind of sentimental tosh our great grandparents too would have voted as Britain’s best-loved" he is, of course, absolutely right. If people think that is snobbery then they need to take a cold hard look at themselves in the mirror. There's a huge amount of inverted snobbery around.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Hairbland on Oct 9, 2018 13:02:48 GMT 1, That's just post hype , hype and nothing more. Someone says it's now worth zillions of trillions because of a cheap stunt. Which proves that the whole Banksy hype and marketing machine is obsessed with money and so is Banksy.
No, it's high profile in the New York Times - also known as mainstream. Even Jerry Saltz, who usually has a bug up his arse (like yourself, but he's an art critic not a small forum poster) loved it.
That's just post hype , hype and nothing more. Someone says it's now worth zillions of trillions because of a cheap stunt. Which proves that the whole Banksy hype and marketing machine is obsessed with money and so is Banksy. No, it's high profile in the New York Times - also known as mainstream. Even Jerry Saltz, who usually has a bug up his arse (like yourself, but he's an art critic not a small forum poster) loved it. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Fake on Oct 9, 2018 13:12:01 GMT 1, Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame.... They are jJust for show in this installation of performance art..
Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame.... They are jJust for show in this installation of performance art.. Well yes, I understand that but he made the real thing.. so why not show how he made that instead of the fake video |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Extra Ball on Oct 9, 2018 13:50:19 GMT 1, This would be my position as well. Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to. No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloon
without social networks, this man will not exist.
everything is built on his anomymat and people are so blind when he has his real talent that he would defecate in the street, they would cry to genius.
This would be my position as well. Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to. No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloonvery good analysis. without social networks, this man will not exist. everything is built on his anomymat and people are so blind when he has his real talent that he would defecate in the street, they would cry to genius. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 13:56:41 GMT 1, That's just post hype , hype and nothing more. Someone says it's now worth zillions of trillions because of a cheap stunt. Which proves that the whole Banksy hype and marketing machine is obsessed with money and so is Banksy. No, it's high profile in the New York Times - also known as mainstream. Even Jerry Saltz, who usually has a bug up his arse (like yourself, but he's an art critic not a small forum poster) loved it.
down with art critics
Power to the small forum poster
That's just post hype , hype and nothing more. Someone says it's now worth zillions of trillions because of a cheap stunt. Which proves that the whole Banksy hype and marketing machine is obsessed with money and so is Banksy. No, it's high profile in the New York Times - also known as mainstream. Even Jerry Saltz, who usually has a bug up his arse (like yourself, but he's an art critic not a small forum poster) loved it. down with art critics Power to the small forum poster |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by toshspice on Oct 9, 2018 13:59:12 GMT 1, If anyone is unfamiliar with Jonathan Jones, here is his piece on a 9/11 photograph. As always, it is thoughtful and considered. I love the way he includes W.H. Auden's poem. "About suffering they were never wrong,
The old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position: how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along..."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/911-photo-thomas-hoepker-meaning
Yep poetry works - especially with the aid of Google search - when you're trying to make something uncomplicated seem more complex than it actually is. Ask any essay-writing student.
This is the most poignant line in that whole piece, mainly because of how far off the mark Jones is:
"Perhaps the real reason Hoepker sat on it at the time was because it would be egotistical to assert his own cunning as an artist in the midst of mass slaughter."
The answer is far more simple. Anyone who has seen the photo will know that.
If anyone is unfamiliar with Jonathan Jones, here is his piece on a 9/11 photograph. As always, it is thoughtful and considered. I love the way he includes W.H. Auden's poem. "About suffering they were never wrong,
The old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position: how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along..."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/911-photo-thomas-hoepker-meaning
Yep poetry works - especially with the aid of Google search - when you're trying to make something uncomplicated seem more complex than it actually is. Ask any essay-writing student. This is the most poignant line in that whole piece, mainly because of how far off the mark Jones is: "Perhaps the real reason Hoepker sat on it at the time was because it would be egotistical to assert his own cunning as an artist in the midst of mass slaughter." The answer is far more simple. Anyone who has seen the photo will know that. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by met on Oct 9, 2018 14:15:00 GMT 1, This would be my position as well. Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to. No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloon
No offence taken whatsoever. We can agree to disagree.
Regarding Jonathan Jones's Girl With Balloon article from last year, I actually think it's well-written. Not that I accept every point made. But on the whole, the piece for me is informative, entertaining and thought-provoking.
That is what I seek from art reviews. I also want my existing opinions challenged — more so than confirmed. And therein lies the real value of an art critic's work. If they can change your mind about something (however small it may be), or push you to see things in a different light, that's pretty special.
[Now, whether or not the critic happens to be "a cunt" is of minimal concern to me. In fact, a rather large proportion of the people I find interesting and worthwhile spending time with could easily be described this way. Pleasantness can be overrated.]
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As an aside, there's also a number of comments about Girl With Balloon in this thread:
urbanartassociation.com/thread/149581/least-loved-banksy
One exchange I enjoyed was initiated by rockbeer, beginning here.
This would be my position as well. Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to. No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloonNo offence taken whatsoever. We can agree to disagree. Regarding Jonathan Jones's Girl With Balloon article from last year, I actually think it's well-written. Not that I accept every point made. But on the whole, the piece for me is informative, entertaining and thought-provoking. That is what I seek from art reviews. I also want my existing opinions challenged — more so than confirmed. And therein lies the real value of an art critic's work. If they can change your mind about something (however small it may be), or push you to see things in a different light, that's pretty special. [Now, whether or not the critic happens to be "a cunt" is of minimal concern to me. In fact, a rather large proportion of the people I find interesting and worthwhile spending time with could easily be described this way. Pleasantness can be overrated.] __________ As an aside, there's also a number of comments about Girl With Balloon in this thread: urbanartassociation.com/thread/149581/least-loved-banksyOne exchange I enjoyed was initiated by rockbeer, beginning here. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Graham H on Oct 9, 2018 14:16:26 GMT 1, I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me..
Or is it me who has missed the point?
Just wondering..
No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloonvery good analysis. without social networks, this man will not exist. everything is built on his anomymat and people are so blind when he has his real talent that he would defecate in the street, they would cry to genius.
I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me.. Or is it me who has missed the point? Just wondering.. No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French. This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon. "Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity "This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. " In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great? Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloonvery good analysis. without social networks, this man will not exist. everything is built on his anomymat and people are so blind when he has his real talent that he would defecate in the street, they would cry to genius. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Extra Ball on Oct 9, 2018 14:32:50 GMT 1, I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me.. Or is it me who has missed the point? Just wondering.. very good analysis. without social networks, this man will not exist. everything is built on his anomymat and people are so blind when he has his real talent that he would defecate in the street, they would cry to genius.
Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners
I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me.. Or is it me who has missed the point? Just wondering.. very good analysis. without social networks, this man will not exist. everything is built on his anomymat and people are so blind when he has his real talent that he would defecate in the street, they would cry to genius. sotheby's video is looping since Saturday, everywhere, all the time. Everyone has a small comment to make about his work when they did not know him 15 days ago. Its popularity and rating are growing thanks to all this. And everything is built on it, from the beginning. For me, this guy is a scam. Do you think Picasso was doing his best to sell when he was at valauris or warhol at the factory? They did not need advertising to spread their art, people recognized it. Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners |
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I like a lot of Warhol's work but to say he wasn't "doing his best to sell" is clearly ridiculous. Of course he was. He very carefully managed his persona and his art and his interviews are meticulously choreographed. He also constantly fraternised with the right people. But I wouldn't call him a scam for doing so, in the same way that Banksy is also not a scam for doing so.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Hairbland on Oct 9, 2018 15:00:15 GMT 1, No, it's high profile in the New York Times - also known as mainstream. Even Jerry Saltz, who usually has a bug up his arse (like yourself, but he's an art critic not a small forum poster) loved it. down with art critics Power to the small forum poster
Was going to reply to this (am, so meta) but what's the point?
No, it's high profile in the New York Times - also known as mainstream. Even Jerry Saltz, who usually has a bug up his arse (like yourself, but he's an art critic not a small forum poster) loved it. down with art critics Power to the small forum poster Was going to reply to this (am, so meta) but what's the point? |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Hairbland on Oct 9, 2018 15:03:02 GMT 1, I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me.. Or is it me who has missed the point? Just wondering.. sotheby's video is looping since Saturday, everywhere, all the time. Everyone has a small comment to make about his work when they did not know him 15 days ago. Its popularity and rating are growing thanks to all this. And everything is built on it, from the beginning. For me, this guy is a scam. Do you think Picasso was doing his best to sell when he was at valauris or warhol at the factory? They did not need advertising to spread their art, people recognized it. Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners
your examples are uninformed. remind me of those that saw the birth of modern art in the 60s saying their kindergarten kid could do that.
I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me.. Or is it me who has missed the point? Just wondering.. sotheby's video is looping since Saturday, everywhere, all the time. Everyone has a small comment to make about his work when they did not know him 15 days ago. Its popularity and rating are growing thanks to all this. And everything is built on it, from the beginning. For me, this guy is a scam. Do you think Picasso was doing his best to sell when he was at valauris or warhol at the factory? They did not need advertising to spread their art, people recognized it. Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners your examples are uninformed. remind me of those that saw the birth of modern art in the 60s saying their kindergarten kid could do that. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by jimbofatz on Oct 9, 2018 15:15:33 GMT 1, I think everyone knows that banksy is currently marketed for the 35+ year old with money that still wears limited edition sneakers/leather jackets and DJs in Ibiza....or more likely the people who want to pretend they have that lifestyle.
Is banksy just a brand now? We all know its a collective marketing blitz and calling them an old school crew by old graffiti definition is getting harder and harder. The people involved have the credibility in the community to do whatever the hell they want. The reality is it was time for banksy to say goodbye a while ago as POW pointed out should have ended 3 years ago really. But I do also realize that's like me saying all their new albums suck. They use to rule. There needs to be a coachella reunion cash out system for artists just like there is for bands. Pay everyone out of ruining something great. I can only hope that is what we've been seeing with all of these unofficial shows.
I think everyone knows that banksy is currently marketed for the 35+ year old with money that still wears limited edition sneakers/leather jackets and DJs in Ibiza....or more likely the people who want to pretend they have that lifestyle.
Is banksy just a brand now? We all know its a collective marketing blitz and calling them an old school crew by old graffiti definition is getting harder and harder. The people involved have the credibility in the community to do whatever the hell they want. The reality is it was time for banksy to say goodbye a while ago as POW pointed out should have ended 3 years ago really. But I do also realize that's like me saying all their new albums suck. They use to rule. There needs to be a coachella reunion cash out system for artists just like there is for bands. Pay everyone out of ruining something great. I can only hope that is what we've been seeing with all of these unofficial shows.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 15:59:31 GMT 1, down with art critics Power to the small forum poster Was going to reply to this (am, so meta) but what's the point?
The point of what?
My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me)
But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer
down with art critics Power to the small forum poster Was going to reply to this (am, so meta) but what's the point? The point of what? My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 16:09:22 GMT 1, My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer
My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer Your post reminded me of Michael Gove who famously said “people in this country have had enough of experts”. Do you agree with him? |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Pysgod on Oct 9, 2018 16:22:55 GMT 1, They are jJust for show in this installation of performance art.. Well yes, I understand that but he made the real thing.. so why not show how he made that instead of the fake video
They are jJust for show in this installation of performance art.. Well yes, I understand that but he made the real thing.. so why not show how he made that instead of the fake video I doubt he made the real thing, probably bought a shredder and threw the bottom bin bit away. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 16:25:29 GMT 1, My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer Your post reminded me of Michael Gove who famously said “people in this country have had enough of experts”. Do you agree with him?
No, i can't say I do like Gove or his outlook, so perhaps i should retract my previous 2 statements
I think i was being childish :-)
I think it was the term 'small forum user' that got my back up a bit, and i went all silly
So i shall apologise and say no more on the issue. I value all critics (if they are the same as experts) views and hate Gove with a rather large passion
My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer Your post reminded me of Michael Gove who famously said “people in this country have had enough of experts”. Do you agree with him? No, i can't say I do like Gove or his outlook, so perhaps i should retract my previous 2 statements I think i was being childish :-) I think it was the term 'small forum user' that got my back up a bit, and i went all silly So i shall apologise and say no more on the issue. I value all critics (if they are the same as experts) views and hate Gove with a rather large passion |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 16:37:22 GMT 1, Knowledgable critics are always worth listening to - even if you disagree with them. 
Knowledgable critics are always worth listening to - even if you disagree with them. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 17:18:12 GMT 1, Knowledgable critics are always worth listening to - even if you disagree with them.
unlike Gove who is never worth listening to.
Knowledgable critics are always worth listening to - even if you disagree with them. unlike Gove who is never worth listening to. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Hairbland on Oct 9, 2018 18:40:44 GMT 1, Was going to reply to this (am, so meta) but what's the point? The point of what? My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer
There's Art History and Forum History, I was responding to moron known Banksyhaterpontificator and arguing the point of hype versus mainstream - that a critic was mentioned was a sidebar and again history said critic was the biggest Banksy hater during his NYC BOTI month, exploiting his dislike for his own popularity.
Was going to reply to this (am, so meta) but what's the point? The point of what? My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer There's Art History and Forum History, I was responding to moron known Banksyhaterpontificator and arguing the point of hype versus mainstream - that a critic was mentioned was a sidebar and again history said critic was the biggest Banksy hater during his NYC BOTI month, exploiting his dislike for his own popularity. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Graham H on Oct 9, 2018 18:45:03 GMT 1, Im not in any way knowledgeable about Picasso, so I wont make a fool of myself debating his practices, however, surely this is a fishing trip to say Warhol didnt do his best to sell...
He was the absolute master at marketing - utilising every opportunity and means of earning as much money as he could .. he set the bench mark that many have tried to follow in content, self promotion, 'mingling' in the right circles ( portrait anyone?.. that'll be $20k thanks you very much ), utilizing the art critics and playing galleries..
As for the relativity of self promotion using the mediums that are relevant at the time an artist practices eg Social Media ( print media in Warhols case ) ive absolutely no idea what relativity this has to someone being a scam... or again am i missing the point?
I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me.. Or is it me who has missed the point? Just wondering.. sotheby's video is looping since Saturday, everywhere, all the time. Everyone has a small comment to make about his work when they did not know him 15 days ago. Its popularity and rating are growing thanks to all this. And everything is built on it, from the beginning. For me, this guy is a scam. Do you think Picasso was doing his best to sell when he was at valauris or warhol at the factory? They did not need advertising to spread their art, people recognized it. Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners
Im not in any way knowledgeable about Picasso, so I wont make a fool of myself debating his practices, however, surely this is a fishing trip to say Warhol didnt do his best to sell... He was the absolute master at marketing - utilising every opportunity and means of earning as much money as he could .. he set the bench mark that many have tried to follow in content, self promotion, 'mingling' in the right circles ( portrait anyone?.. that'll be $20k thanks you very much ), utilizing the art critics and playing galleries.. As for the relativity of self promotion using the mediums that are relevant at the time an artist practices eg Social Media ( print media in Warhols case ) ive absolutely no idea what relativity this has to someone being a scam... or again am i missing the point? I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me.. Or is it me who has missed the point? Just wondering.. sotheby's video is looping since Saturday, everywhere, all the time. Everyone has a small comment to make about his work when they did not know him 15 days ago. Its popularity and rating are growing thanks to all this. And everything is built on it, from the beginning. For me, this guy is a scam. Do you think Picasso was doing his best to sell when he was at valauris or warhol at the factory? They did not need advertising to spread their art, people recognized it. Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Extra Ball on Oct 9, 2018 18:52:36 GMT 1, The point of what? My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer There's Art History and Forum History, I was responding to moron known Banksyhaterpontificator and arguing the point of hype versus mainstream - that a critic was mentioned was a sidebar and again history said critic was the biggest Banksy hater during his NYC BOTI month, exploiting his dislike for his own popularity.
What height of mind!
Guys, this is just a forum where we share the same passion, avoid insults and interpretations too fast.
Let's share other things
The point of what? My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me) But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer There's Art History and Forum History, I was responding to moron known Banksyhaterpontificator and arguing the point of hype versus mainstream - that a critic was mentioned was a sidebar and again history said critic was the biggest Banksy hater during his NYC BOTI month, exploiting his dislike for his own popularity. all the people who are not of your opinion are moron? What height of mind! Guys, this is just a forum where we share the same passion, avoid insults and interpretations too fast. Let's share other things |
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