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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by SW20 on Mar 21, 2015 18:10:31 GMT 1, Think it is quite bio us particularly for early Banksy's that back doors do exist.
Over Uns from the print house, extras that they had at POW etc.
However as happens even with gift prints the further you get away from source and the more time that passes it actually becomes almost impossible to prove any legitimacy and whether they are real or not.
Should people buy them and do they have a value. Well most things have a value but I would say that unless you yourself know or can prove its real then it's probably worth less than your paying or its fake either way you'll never know. They will never be legitimized as its impossible to tell. Eg POW often have trouble with real (official) one's.
All the one's I have heard of usually fall down or have a back story with little proof. the my mate was a printer in Birmingham who did Banksy. This is the 4000 back door print I have sold etc etc.
If you like collecting that sort of thing then good luck and enjoy it you know the game.
If your just doing it to save some cash and you love his work. Just print off your own copies of prints or pics of his street work you'll get lovely pics on your wall and their free. But buying stuff at an inflated price that you can't be a 100% sure of is daft unless as I say that's your thing that you collect.
Their existence is fact but the amount of those that still exist will be very very few but there are lots and lots on offer.
Note do not have any real or unreal one's
Think it is quite bio us particularly for early Banksy's that back doors do exist.
Over Uns from the print house, extras that they had at POW etc.
However as happens even with gift prints the further you get away from source and the more time that passes it actually becomes almost impossible to prove any legitimacy and whether they are real or not.
Should people buy them and do they have a value. Well most things have a value but I would say that unless you yourself know or can prove its real then it's probably worth less than your paying or its fake either way you'll never know. They will never be legitimized as its impossible to tell. Eg POW often have trouble with real (official) one's.
All the one's I have heard of usually fall down or have a back story with little proof. the my mate was a printer in Birmingham who did Banksy. This is the 4000 back door print I have sold etc etc.
If you like collecting that sort of thing then good luck and enjoy it you know the game.
If your just doing it to save some cash and you love his work. Just print off your own copies of prints or pics of his street work you'll get lovely pics on your wall and their free. But buying stuff at an inflated price that you can't be a 100% sure of is daft unless as I say that's your thing that you collect.
Their existence is fact but the amount of those that still exist will be very very few but there are lots and lots on offer.
Note do not have any real or unreal one's
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:13:13 GMT 1, Think it is quite bio us particularly for early Banksy's that back doors do exist. Over Uns from the print house, extras that they had at POW etc. However as happens even with gift prints the further you get away from source and the more time that passes it actually becomes almost impossible to prove any legitimacy and whether they are real or not. Should people buy them and do they have a value. Well most things have a value but I would say that unless you yourself know or can prove its real then it's probably worth less than your paying or its fake either way you'll never know. They will never be legitimized as its impossible to tell. Eg POW often have trouble with real (official) one's. All the one's I have heard of usually fall down or have a back story with little proof. the my mate was a printer in Birmingham who did Banksy. This is the 4000 back door print I have sold etc etc. If you like collecting that sort of thing then good luck and enjoy it you know the game. If your just doing it to save some cash and you love his work. Just print off your own copies of prints or pics of his street work you'll get lovely pics on your wall and their free. But buying stuff at an inflated price that you can't be a 100% sure of is daft unless as I say that's your thing that you collect. Their existence is fact but the amount of those that still exist will be very very few but there are lots and lots on offer. Note do not have any real or unreal one's
I'd say the majority out there are fake. Buyer beware. Buy them if you like the image but can't afford a numbered one, but be very careful who you get it from. I've purchased legit ones with 100% certainty, but have also gotten burned on fakes. Lesson learned the hard way
Think it is quite bio us particularly for early Banksy's that back doors do exist. Over Uns from the print house, extras that they had at POW etc. However as happens even with gift prints the further you get away from source and the more time that passes it actually becomes almost impossible to prove any legitimacy and whether they are real or not. Should people buy them and do they have a value. Well most things have a value but I would say that unless you yourself know or can prove its real then it's probably worth less than your paying or its fake either way you'll never know. They will never be legitimized as its impossible to tell. Eg POW often have trouble with real (official) one's. All the one's I have heard of usually fall down or have a back story with little proof. the my mate was a printer in Birmingham who did Banksy. This is the 4000 back door print I have sold etc etc. If you like collecting that sort of thing then good luck and enjoy it you know the game. If your just doing it to save some cash and you love his work. Just print off your own copies of prints or pics of his street work you'll get lovely pics on your wall and their free. But buying stuff at an inflated price that you can't be a 100% sure of is daft unless as I say that's your thing that you collect. Their existence is fact but the amount of those that still exist will be very very few but there are lots and lots on offer. Note do not have any real or unreal one's I'd say the majority out there are fake. Buyer beware. Buy them if you like the image but can't afford a numbered one, but be very careful who you get it from. I've purchased legit ones with 100% certainty, but have also gotten burned on fakes. Lesson learned the hard way |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:13:13 GMT 1, Think it is quite bio us particularly for early Banksy's that back doors do exist. Over Uns from the print house, extras that they had at POW etc. However as happens even with gift prints the further you get away from source and the more time that passes it actually becomes almost impossible to prove any legitimacy and whether they are real or not. Should people buy them and do they have a value. Well most things have a value but I would say that unless you yourself know or can prove its real then it's probably worth less than your paying or its fake either way you'll never know. They will never be legitimized as its impossible to tell. Eg POW often have trouble with real (official) one's. All the one's I have heard of usually fall down or have a back story with little proof. the my mate was a printer in Birmingham who did Banksy. This is the 4000 back door print I have sold etc etc. If you like collecting that sort of thing then good luck and enjoy it you know the game. If your just doing it to save some cash and you love his work. Just print off your own copies of prints or pics of his street work you'll get lovely pics on your wall and their free. But buying stuff at an inflated price that you can't be a 100% sure of is daft unless as I say that's your thing that you collect. Their existence is fact but the amount of those that still exist will be very very few but there are lots and lots on offer. Note do not have any real or unreal one's
Think it is quite bio us particularly for early Banksy's that back doors do exist. Over Uns from the print house, extras that they had at POW etc. However as happens even with gift prints the further you get away from source and the more time that passes it actually becomes almost impossible to prove any legitimacy and whether they are real or not. Should people buy them and do they have a value. Well most things have a value but I would say that unless you yourself know or can prove its real then it's probably worth less than your paying or its fake either way you'll never know. They will never be legitimized as its impossible to tell. Eg POW often have trouble with real (official) one's. All the one's I have heard of usually fall down or have a back story with little proof. the my mate was a printer in Birmingham who did Banksy. This is the 4000 back door print I have sold etc etc. If you like collecting that sort of thing then good luck and enjoy it you know the game. If your just doing it to save some cash and you love his work. Just print off your own copies of prints or pics of his street work you'll get lovely pics on your wall and their free. But buying stuff at an inflated price that you can't be a 100% sure of is daft unless as I say that's your thing that you collect. Their existence is fact but the amount of those that still exist will be very very few but there are lots and lots on offer. Note do not have any real or unreal one's I will say when there was that sale thread saying a real MQ wouldn't be authenticated by Pest control (and then another for BME), I really really started questioning this whole Backdoor thing. At least any likelihood that they'll ever be authenticated/verified in any way. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by SW20 on Mar 21, 2015 18:30:12 GMT 1, Yesss there will never be any authentification as they officially are not authentic. Even Levi seconds have the label cutoff.
There is often confusion with Warhol's authentification in that he did lots of un official canvases and signed squiggles etc for people. Banksy has done almost zero un official work so there will not be the he sprayed this canvas for me can you prove its real. Even gifts only authentificated once.
Banksy and PC will never authentificate them as they cannot 100% verify them. So unless you were there at the time no one can say one is a 100% or not.
People can believe what they like and value something as they like but proof is a very different thing. Eg look at religions.
Yesss there will never be any authentification as they officially are not authentic. Even Levi seconds have the label cutoff.
There is often confusion with Warhol's authentification in that he did lots of un official canvases and signed squiggles etc for people. Banksy has done almost zero un official work so there will not be the he sprayed this canvas for me can you prove its real. Even gifts only authentificated once.
Banksy and PC will never authentificate them as they cannot 100% verify them. So unless you were there at the time no one can say one is a 100% or not.
People can believe what they like and value something as they like but proof is a very different thing. Eg look at religions.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Dungle on Mar 22, 2015 13:45:09 GMT 1, maybe worth sharing the info so others don't make uninformed purchases. your call. there is no upside to this for me to do this- absolutely zero benefit and likely hassle. the only thing i can say is that the backdoor brummie thing is a non starter these days- its about a decade ago, so i would be surprised how many more of these can turn up and truly originate from that source- its totally unproveable anyway. unless you have a very very specific sub set of information relating to a small range of prints , then only a back to back comparison b/w a good un and an offered back door un with a magnifying glass could be a decent test. and even that isnt perfect how many are in a position to do that ? If you are not sure of this and cannot agree to my list os caveats published a page or two ago, then iots likely you will be getting taken to the cleaners the more I read the forum , the more I see how many duplicitous, mendacious bastards there are in the scene now. I used to be sorta naive and trusting and it usually worked out OK on here- now I find it hard to beleive anything I read.sorry decent forum members, but this place needs a good exterminator to come along and clean out the vermin infestation.
Mendacious. Great word.
maybe worth sharing the info so others don't make uninformed purchases. your call. there is no upside to this for me to do this- absolutely zero benefit and likely hassle. the only thing i can say is that the backdoor brummie thing is a non starter these days- its about a decade ago, so i would be surprised how many more of these can turn up and truly originate from that source- its totally unproveable anyway. unless you have a very very specific sub set of information relating to a small range of prints , then only a back to back comparison b/w a good un and an offered back door un with a magnifying glass could be a decent test. and even that isnt perfect how many are in a position to do that ? If you are not sure of this and cannot agree to my list os caveats published a page or two ago, then iots likely you will be getting taken to the cleaners the more I read the forum , the more I see how many duplicitous, mendacious bastards there are in the scene now. I used to be sorta naive and trusting and it usually worked out OK on here- now I find it hard to beleive anything I read.sorry decent forum members, but this place needs a good exterminator to come along and clean out the vermin infestation. Mendacious. Great word. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Mar 22, 2015 13:51:04 GMT 1, Anyone got any legit ones for sale?
Anyone got any legit ones for sale?
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by astrobboy on Mar 22, 2015 22:29:49 GMT 1,
Unless you physically saw them come off the print line and grabbed it, how can you be sure with 100% certainty?
(NB: I'm not trying to start a fight - I am just curious)
Unless you physically saw them come off the print line and grabbed it, how can you be sure with 100% certainty? (NB: I'm not trying to start a fight - I am just curious) |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 22:44:32 GMT 1, Unless you physically saw them come off the print line and grabbed it, how can you be sure with 100% certainty? (NB: I'm not trying to start a fight - I am just curious)
true. guess it's hard to be 100% certain of anything, but I'm highly confident in the couple I have because of who I got them from. But like I said, I learned the hard way that there's tons of fakes out there. And the ones I have I only purchased because I love the image. I don't have any delusions of value
Unless you physically saw them come off the print line and grabbed it, how can you be sure with 100% certainty? (NB: I'm not trying to start a fight - I am just curious) true. guess it's hard to be 100% certain of anything, but I'm highly confident in the couple I have because of who I got them from. But like I said, I learned the hard way that there's tons of fakes out there. And the ones I have I only purchased because I love the image. I don't have any delusions of value |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by A.R.T. on Mar 23, 2015 1:08:30 GMT 1, Unless you physically saw them come off the print line and grabbed it, how can you be sure with 100% certainty? (NB: I'm not trying to start a fight - I am just curious) true. guess it's hard to be 100% certain of anything, but I'm highly confident in the couple I have because of who I got them from. But like I said, I learned the hard way that there's tons of fakes out there. And the ones I have I only purchased because I love the image. I don't have any delusions of value
If that's the case of only liking and wanting the image then why not just buy a flea market style canvas replica? Most that buy these back door prints buy them because they think they have a value.
Unless you physically saw them come off the print line and grabbed it, how can you be sure with 100% certainty? (NB: I'm not trying to start a fight - I am just curious) true. guess it's hard to be 100% certain of anything, but I'm highly confident in the couple I have because of who I got them from. But like I said, I learned the hard way that there's tons of fakes out there. And the ones I have I only purchased because I love the image. I don't have any delusions of value If that's the case of only liking and wanting the image then why not just buy a flea market style canvas replica? Most that buy these back door prints buy them because they think they have a value. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 1:14:08 GMT 1, true. guess it's hard to be 100% certain of anything, but I'm highly confident in the couple I have because of who I got them from. But like I said, I learned the hard way that there's tons of fakes out there. And the ones I have I only purchased because I love the image. I don't have any delusions of value If that's the case of only liking and wanting the image then why not just buy a flea market style canvas replica? Most that buy these back door prints buy them because they think they have a value. 
true. guess it's hard to be 100% certain of anything, but I'm highly confident in the couple I have because of who I got them from. But like I said, I learned the hard way that there's tons of fakes out there. And the ones I have I only purchased because I love the image. I don't have any delusions of value If that's the case of only liking and wanting the image then why not just buy a flea market style canvas replica? Most that buy these back door prints buy them because they think they have a value. my first Banksy was a "GWB" digital print on canvas. let's just say that the quality was, for a lack of a better word, nonexistent |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 1:50:39 GMT 1, So there is a French Banquesy (Blek)
An English Banksy.
Is there an American, US Banksy?
So there is a French Banquesy (Blek)
An English Banksy.
Is there an American, US Banksy?
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by bgt5002 on Mar 23, 2015 14:35:20 GMT 1, Anyone have a Sturtevant Banksy?!
Seriously-- I'm all about accessibility, but if you're buying a backdoor print, you must be comfortable with the idea that it's 100% fake. Even if it's a steal, it's probably too much money to invest in something that without a COA/Provenance/PC stamp of approval, is worth the paper it's on. Unless you can find another sucker.
Anyone have a Sturtevant Banksy?!
Seriously-- I'm all about accessibility, but if you're buying a backdoor print, you must be comfortable with the idea that it's 100% fake. Even if it's a steal, it's probably too much money to invest in something that without a COA/Provenance/PC stamp of approval, is worth the paper it's on. Unless you can find another sucker.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by WILLYBKLN on Mar 23, 2015 15:45:16 GMT 1, :cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough: ( not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed)  If it was sold without the artists approval, it's stolen.
:cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough: ( not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed) If it was sold without the artists approval, it's stolen. What if it "fell" off of a truck and a man with a van sold it to you in the parking lot of a convenience store? |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by rambosremodeler on Mar 23, 2015 16:35:33 GMT 1, I place no value on something that can not and will not be authenticated. The further down the line the prints goes, the less plausible the story becomes. Now, if I knew the printer and I received them direct, I would happily enjoy the prints for what they are as I would know their true origin and "legitimacy" first hand.
Spot on
I place no value on something that can not and will not be authenticated. The further down the line the prints goes, the less plausible the story becomes. Now, if I knew the printer and I received them direct, I would happily enjoy the prints for what they are as I would know their true origin and "legitimacy" first hand. Spot on |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 16:52:54 GMT 1,
I have pulled my comments from this thread- bits remain- but the imperative movement of any discussion seems to be lost when much of the contribution here is based on the arse about face paradigm of deciding upon a conclusion before thinking about the evidence.
never ever ever buy art for profit
I have pulled my comments from this thread- bits remain- but the imperative movement of any discussion seems to be lost when much of the contribution here is based on the arse about face paradigm of deciding upon a conclusion before thinking about the evidence.
never ever ever buy art for profit
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Poster Bob on Mar 24, 2015 0:22:09 GMT 1, From what I can tell the new "printers proofs" are Nola and Trolleys.
From what I can tell the new "printers proofs" are Nola and Trolleys.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 0:28:54 GMT 1, Bob, have you seen these ?
the NOLA ones are , how can i say, are not what i understand to be backdoors as I know them
trolleys are a different matter
PM if you want to discuss innit
Bob, have you seen these ?
the NOLA ones are , how can i say, are not what i understand to be backdoors as I know them
trolleys are a different matter
PM if you want to discuss innit
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 4:57:59 GMT 1, Bob, have you seen these ? the NOLA ones are , how can i say, are not what i understand to be backdoors as I know them trolleys are a different matter PM if you want to discuss innit
maybe i'm more into info being out there then kept secret; others disagree and rightfully so for their own reasons
Bob, have you seen these ? the NOLA ones are , how can i say, are not what i understand to be backdoors as I know them trolleys are a different matter PM if you want to discuss innit that trolleys looks shady as hell since there should still be a gap where the sig is; i just don't see why this is something worth discussing in private maybe i'm more into info being out there then kept secret; others disagree and rightfully so for their own reasons |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by avec art on Mar 31, 2015 23:10:32 GMT 1, With screen printing, there are always subtle imperfections that will go unnoticed to pretty much anyone apart from the print maker. Where a screen is coated often there are areas where the paint will come out slightly thicker or slightly thinner than in other places (non deliberate). This is virtually impossible to see, eps. after the paint is dry. But if you know what to look for as I expect an art forensic team could, they are there. Other subtleties are things such as a tiny bit of dust on the screen, or a micro spot of light sensitive screen coating where it shouldn't be can express itself (blocking the paint) on many if not all of the prints in a particular edition. These are some of the visible things which could be ways to confidently authenticate if a print was from the original run / screen. If it is a very simple fake, ie. a high res scan, then reproduce a acetate that way, I believe it would be pretty easy to distinguish the difference if it was sitting next to the real thing, even to the untrained eye. Ppl say the wcp lack detail and although I've never seen one, it is easy to believe.
With screen printing, there are always subtle imperfections that will go unnoticed to pretty much anyone apart from the print maker. Where a screen is coated often there are areas where the paint will come out slightly thicker or slightly thinner than in other places (non deliberate). This is virtually impossible to see, eps. after the paint is dry. But if you know what to look for as I expect an art forensic team could, they are there. Other subtleties are things such as a tiny bit of dust on the screen, or a micro spot of light sensitive screen coating where it shouldn't be can express itself (blocking the paint) on many if not all of the prints in a particular edition. These are some of the visible things which could be ways to confidently authenticate if a print was from the original run / screen. If it is a very simple fake, ie. a high res scan, then reproduce a acetate that way, I believe it would be pretty easy to distinguish the difference if it was sitting next to the real thing, even to the untrained eye. Ppl say the wcp lack detail and although I've never seen one, it is easy to believe.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Mar 31, 2015 23:40:44 GMT 1, From My understanding any unauthorized reproduction even if from an authentic source is considered a forgery in the eyes of the Artworld. As in the case of the Jasper Johns Flag forgery where an original Mold was used to make a Flag and cost the Forger Years in Prison.
Why would a Banksy be different.
From My understanding any unauthorized reproduction even if from an authentic source is considered a forgery in the eyes of the Artworld. As in the case of the Jasper Johns Flag forgery where an original Mold was used to make a Flag and cost the Forger Years in Prison.
Why would a Banksy be different.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by A.R.T. on Apr 1, 2015 1:26:09 GMT 1, From My understanding any unauthorized reproduction even if from an authentic source is considered a forgery in the eyes of the Artworld. As in the case of the Jasper Johns Flag forgery where an original Mold was used to make a Flag and cost the Forger Years in Prison. Why would a Banksy be different.
It's not any different. Those advocating for backdoor prints are those trying to sell or those who have them in their collection.
From My understanding any unauthorized reproduction even if from an authentic source is considered a forgery in the eyes of the Artworld. As in the case of the Jasper Johns Flag forgery where an original Mold was used to make a Flag and cost the Forger Years in Prison. Why would a Banksy be different. It's not any different. Those advocating for backdoor prints are those trying to sell or those who have them in their collection. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by avec art on Apr 1, 2015 9:07:34 GMT 1, I've never owned one, just saying that there are probably expensive methods to qualify a prints' origins if you really had to. I'm not sure if selling something you believe to be a bd print is against the law though.
In the ancient coin market, counterfeit coins (roman etc), especially rare and interesting examples can fetch a tidy sum. It might become a similar scenario with Banksy bd prints, but in many many years to come I might add.
I've never owned one, just saying that there are probably expensive methods to qualify a prints' origins if you really had to. I'm not sure if selling something you believe to be a bd print is against the law though.
In the ancient coin market, counterfeit coins (roman etc), especially rare and interesting examples can fetch a tidy sum. It might become a similar scenario with Banksy bd prints, but in many many years to come I might add.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Apr 1, 2015 13:39:11 GMT 1, I've never owned one, just saying that there are probably expensive methods to qualify a prints' origins if you really had to. I'm not sure if selling something you believe to be a bd print is against the law though. In the ancient coin market, counterfeit coins (roman etc), especially rare and interesting examples can fetch a tidy sum. It might become a similar scenario with Banksy bd prints, but in many many years to come I might add.
"The first Court ordered the destruction of the drawing. Mr Cohen appealed. He claimed that the drawing was his property, and he asked for it back. The Court of Appeal refused, on the ground that only its destruction would prevent it from being bought and sold on the open market."
www.artatlaw.com/archives/the-destruction-of-fakes
I've never owned one, just saying that there are probably expensive methods to qualify a prints' origins if you really had to. I'm not sure if selling something you believe to be a bd print is against the law though. In the ancient coin market, counterfeit coins (roman etc), especially rare and interesting examples can fetch a tidy sum. It might become a similar scenario with Banksy bd prints, but in many many years to come I might add. There are some recent examples of forgeries which would be deemed real copies of work or real unauthorized work to be destroyed by court order. I dont think you can get in trouble for owning one unless you are the printer maybe selling them as in the Jasper Johns case with the Mould. But it would seem if you are saying its anything other than a reproduction and claiming it to be an original then you might get into some issues Under French Law atleast according to this article. "The first Court ordered the destruction of the drawing. Mr Cohen appealed. He claimed that the drawing was his property, and he asked for it back. The Court of Appeal refused, on the ground that only its destruction would prevent it from being bought and sold on the open market." www.artatlaw.com/archives/the-destruction-of-fakes |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 14:06:18 GMT 1, I've never owned one, just saying that there are probably expensive methods to qualify a prints' origins if you really had to. I'm not sure if selling something you believe to be a bd print is against the law though. In the ancient coin market, counterfeit coins (roman etc), especially rare and interesting examples can fetch a tidy sum. It might become a similar scenario with Banksy bd prints, but in many many years to come I might add.
like i said before, PC are apparently rejecting real Banksys because of slight imperfections in numbering, etc (according to several threads on here); that shows how far their authentication ability goes. to think that'll eventually extend to backdoor prints being authenticated - whether by PC or by another body (and any legitimate body will have to use PC's standards) - is strange to me.
I've never owned one, just saying that there are probably expensive methods to qualify a prints' origins if you really had to. I'm not sure if selling something you believe to be a bd print is against the law though. In the ancient coin market, counterfeit coins (roman etc), especially rare and interesting examples can fetch a tidy sum. It might become a similar scenario with Banksy bd prints, but in many many years to come I might add. the logic in comparing this to the ancient coin market seems flawed; there you're dealing with actual precious metals that have intrinsic value, and a heavy degree of craftmanship/detail. like i said before, PC are apparently rejecting real Banksys because of slight imperfections in numbering, etc (according to several threads on here); that shows how far their authentication ability goes. to think that'll eventually extend to backdoor prints being authenticated - whether by PC or by another body (and any legitimate body will have to use PC's standards) - is strange to me. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by avec art on Apr 1, 2015 18:43:29 GMT 1, Yeah no, that wasn't my point about POW ever authenticating bd prints. That's totally far fetched, I'm just saying that there are ways to identify if a particular print comes from a particular run. I'm not saying that a bd print is worth any more of less because of that.
About the coins, I'm not talking about precious metals, I'm talking about bronzes etc, but the very fact you can see a 2000 year old forgery, sometimes where letters are imitated for example, rather than understood makes them interesting pieces. So I'm talking pretty large timescales here, in terms of hundreds of years not tens. It's not important, was just a thought.
Yeah no, that wasn't my point about POW ever authenticating bd prints. That's totally far fetched, I'm just saying that there are ways to identify if a particular print comes from a particular run. I'm not saying that a bd print is worth any more of less because of that.
About the coins, I'm not talking about precious metals, I'm talking about bronzes etc, but the very fact you can see a 2000 year old forgery, sometimes where letters are imitated for example, rather than understood makes them interesting pieces. So I'm talking pretty large timescales here, in terms of hundreds of years not tens. It's not important, was just a thought.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by lha on Apr 1, 2015 18:53:28 GMT 1, A Pulp Fiction BD (or at least advertised as a BD) sold on the bay for £285 a few days ago. Even with a fairly solid email trail can't see these fetching the money they used to. Needless to say there are 'genuine' backdoors out there and folks on here own them. Great to frame and stick on the wall for those that know where they've come from which is rarer and rarer as these change hands Down the line
A Pulp Fiction BD (or at least advertised as a BD) sold on the bay for £285 a few days ago. Even with a fairly solid email trail can't see these fetching the money they used to. Needless to say there are 'genuine' backdoors out there and folks on here own them. Great to frame and stick on the wall for those that know where they've come from which is rarer and rarer as these change hands Down the line
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Poster Bob on Apr 1, 2015 22:14:35 GMT 1, A Pulp Fiction BD (or at least advertised as a BD) sold on the bay for £285 a few days ago. Even with a fairly solid email trail can't see these fetching the money they used to. Needless to say there are 'genuine' backdoors out there and folks on here own them. Great to frame and stick on the wall for those that know where they've come from which is rarer and rarer as these change hands Down the line
A Pulp Fiction BD (or at least advertised as a BD) sold on the bay for £285 a few days ago. Even with a fairly solid email trail can't see these fetching the money they used to. Needless to say there are 'genuine' backdoors out there and folks on here own them. Great to frame and stick on the wall for those that know where they've come from which is rarer and rarer as these change hands Down the line Although the paper used to print these is now "out of print" these are clearly still being reproduced illegally. If you have purchased one, or are planning to purchase a "backdoor" print, you might as well buy some snake oil. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Snakes on Apr 1, 2015 22:23:13 GMT 1, Did some one say snake oil?
Did some one say snake oil?
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 22:26:59 GMT 1, I'm just saying that there are ways to identify if a particular print comes from a particular run.
That was kind of why I mentioned the POW thing; not to imply that POW would be authenticating BD prints themselves (would never happen), but just to show that if even real Banksys aren't meeting POW's authentication standard for being part of a particular run, then the odds of any other figure/body authenticating Banksys by using a less stringent standard than POW (which would be required to align these BD prints to a particular run) are extremely extremely low, if existent at all.
I'm just saying that there are ways to identify if a particular print comes from a particular run. I think what I was trying to say was that even the above is impossible, given the dynamics of how the print system was working at the time. Even if you nail down the type of ink/paper used, and matched all techniques to the finest detail, that still wouldn't be able to give you a definitive answer. Too many people had access to the materials necessary to create perfect replicas at the time, so it makes the ability to determine what came from a particular run extremely difficult, if not impossible. That was kind of why I mentioned the POW thing; not to imply that POW would be authenticating BD prints themselves (would never happen), but just to show that if even real Banksys aren't meeting POW's authentication standard for being part of a particular run, then the odds of any other figure/body authenticating Banksys by using a less stringent standard than POW (which would be required to align these BD prints to a particular run) are extremely extremely low, if existent at all. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 22:35:40 GMT 1, Dali prints were remade because the original copper plates that some were printed off in France alledgedly  were not destroyed by scribing a line through them.
Although some easy to spot prints have been printed on the wrong paper and paper that did not exist when the originals were printed.
With Banksy prints, I dont think a few extras that ended up in the printer or print staffs hands that got taken home is a big problem.
They are very few in reality and will never get any type of COA.
The problem is that chancers might run off a Moody Di Faced Tenner. tear it in half, add some serial number or printed out COA and flog it quickly at what seems like a bargain price in an empty car park on a foggy night to someone who might be a collector or get rich quick dealer Del Boy style.
Dali prints were remade because the original copper plates that some were printed off in France alledgedly were not destroyed by scribing a line through them. Although some easy to spot prints have been printed on the wrong paper and paper that did not exist when the originals were printed. With Banksy prints, I dont think a few extras that ended up in the printer or print staffs hands that got taken home is a big problem. They are very few in reality and will never get any type of COA. The problem is that chancers might run off a Moody Di Faced Tenner. tear it in half, add some serial number or printed out COA and flog it quickly at what seems like a bargain price in an empty car park on a foggy night to someone who might be a collector or get rich quick dealer Del Boy style. |
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were not destroyed by scribing a line through them.
