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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 1:50:09 GMT 1,
I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set.
I just hope this isn't the sentiment of backdoor print buyers because it's really really unlikely, both for forensic and market reasons.
What inspired me to make this post was I was reading about replica shoes that are taken from the assembly line and sold off; they're called "Unauthorized Authentic" but are still considered replicas, and usually fetch the same price as any replica of equivalent quality. It made me think of the backdoor print thing here and it all seemed off.
I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set. I just hope this isn't the sentiment of backdoor print buyers because it's really really unlikely, both for forensic and market reasons. What inspired me to make this post was I was reading about replica shoes that are taken from the assembly line and sold off; they're called "Unauthorized Authentic" but are still considered replicas, and usually fetch the same price as any replica of equivalent quality. It made me think of the backdoor print thing here and it all seemed off. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by chads007 on Mar 20, 2015 10:20:39 GMT 1, If there was no value in back doors they would sell for 50 not 400-1500plus. Everyone knows they're not thr same as Wcp just because PC won't authorise them. PF sold for 1000 on ebay so it's not just on this forum. Value and recognition is already there. Demand is there too...given thr number of pm I had...even those with editioned prints inquired. As unsigned and signed increase in value and become more scarce, people are seeking official posters and bd...Their value is not up for debate here.
If there was no value in back doors they would sell for 50 not 400-1500plus. Everyone knows they're not thr same as Wcp just because PC won't authorise them. PF sold for 1000 on ebay so it's not just on this forum. Value and recognition is already there. Demand is there too...given thr number of pm I had...even those with editioned prints inquired. As unsigned and signed increase in value and become more scarce, people are seeking official posters and bd...Their value is not up for debate here.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 11:21:09 GMT 1, Their value is not up for debate here.
Yes it is.
Defended by people that have either bought or have to sell.
Attacked by kind souls hoping to prevent newcomers from throwing their money down the drain.
Their value is not up for debate here. Yes it is. Defended by people that have either bought or have to sell. Attacked by kind souls hoping to prevent newcomers from throwing their money down the drain. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 11:25:46 GMT 1,
True.
Much easier for my pea brain.
True. Much easier for my pea brain. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 15:52:17 GMT 1, Money
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by A.R.T. on Mar 20, 2015 16:53:26 GMT 1, If there was no value in back doors they would sell for 50 not 400-1500plus. Everyone knows they're not thr same as Wcp just because PC won't authorise them. PF sold for 1000 on ebay so it's not just on this forum. Value and recognition is already there. Demand is there too...given thr number of pm I had...even those with editioned prints inquired. As unsigned and signed increase in value and become more scarce, people are seeking official posters and bd...Their value is not up for debate here.
Those buying back doors are better off buying WCP or any of the album covers. Back doors are not authentic, have no value, and only those peddling or got suckered into buying them claim that they have value. Like the saying goes " a fool and his money are soon parted".
If there was no value in back doors they would sell for 50 not 400-1500plus. Everyone knows they're not thr same as Wcp just because PC won't authorise them. PF sold for 1000 on ebay so it's not just on this forum. Value and recognition is already there. Demand is there too...given thr number of pm I had...even those with editioned prints inquired. As unsigned and signed increase in value and become more scarce, people are seeking official posters and bd...Their value is not up for debate here. Those buying back doors are better off buying WCP or any of the album covers. Back doors are not authentic, have no value, and only those peddling or got suckered into buying them claim that they have value. Like the saying goes " a fool and his money are soon parted". |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by chads007 on Mar 20, 2015 19:38:48 GMT 1, If there was no value in back doors they would sell for 50 not 400-1500plus. Everyone knows they're not thr same as Wcp just because PC won't authorise them. PF sold for 1000 on ebay so it's not just on this forum. Value and recognition is already there. Demand is there too...given thr number of pm I had...even those with editioned prints inquired. As unsigned and signed increase in value and become more scarce, people are seeking official posters and bd...Their value is not up for debate here. Those buying back doors are better off buying WCP or any of the album covers. Back doors are not authentic, have no value, and only those peddling or got suckered into buying them claim that they have value. Like the saying goes " a fool and his money are soon parted".
And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you.
So you're incorrect on both points
If there was no value in back doors they would sell for 50 not 400-1500plus. Everyone knows they're not thr same as Wcp just because PC won't authorise them. PF sold for 1000 on ebay so it's not just on this forum. Value and recognition is already there. Demand is there too...given thr number of pm I had...even those with editioned prints inquired. As unsigned and signed increase in value and become more scarce, people are seeking official posters and bd...Their value is not up for debate here. Those buying back doors are better off buying WCP or any of the album covers. Back doors are not authentic, have no value, and only those peddling or got suckered into buying them claim that they have value. Like the saying goes " a fool and his money are soon parted". Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by A.R.T. on Mar 20, 2015 20:03:11 GMT 1, Those buying back doors are better off buying WCP or any of the album covers. Back doors are not authentic, have no value, and only those peddling or got suckered into buying them claim that they have value. Like the saying goes " a fool and his money are soon parted". Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points
Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless.
Those buying back doors are better off buying WCP or any of the album covers. Back doors are not authentic, have no value, and only those peddling or got suckered into buying them claim that they have value. Like the saying goes " a fool and his money are soon parted". Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 20:11:18 GMT 1, Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless.
Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. Just like the metal Peace Goddess debacle from a few years back. They are not approved, but they aren't worthless either. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by bone on Mar 20, 2015 20:37:35 GMT 1, Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. Just like the metal Peace Goddess debacle from a few years back. They are not approved, but they aren't worthless either.
Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. Just like the metal Peace Goddess debacle from a few years back. They are not approved, but they aren't worthless either. But, those were sold direct from the printer. The Banksy "backdoor" prints are sold from some guy with a story about another guy who knew a guy that knew the printer. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 20:40:06 GMT 1, They are worth something to a collector and there are people that will sell collectors what the collector wants.
Whether after each print run the screens are destroyed and any extras are destroyed or whether some printers run off extras or save seconds with some marks or light damage is unknown.
They are worth something to a collector and there are people that will sell collectors what the collector wants.
Whether after each print run the screens are destroyed and any extras are destroyed or whether some printers run off extras or save seconds with some marks or light damage is unknown.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by biggles on Mar 20, 2015 20:43:04 GMT 1, Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless.
Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. You do seem to be on a bit of a crusade |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 20:43:28 GMT 1, Both examples are worthless to me. But to a collector they retain some value. Also, in the case of the Peace Goddesses, Mr. Fairey signs anything, so those could have quite a bit more value to a collector.
Both examples are worthless to me. But to a collector they retain some value. Also, in the case of the Peace Goddesses, Mr. Fairey signs anything, so those could have quite a bit more value to a collector.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by My Name is Frank on Mar 20, 2015 21:24:46 GMT 1, It's worth what you want to pay, fools and their money and all that
It's worth what you want to pay, fools and their money and all that
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Coach on Mar 20, 2015 22:41:40 GMT 1, Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless.
This seems to be getting silly.
You can only mean that they are worthless to you.
If they exchange hands for a few hundred quid, then clearly that is what they are worth to the people who want to buy them (which, I accept, is not you).
That said, I agree that people are at risk of buying copies when trying to buy these.
Authentic they are (authorised they're not) And they have value otherwise wouldn't sell for the amounts I've mentioned. You can't say something has 'no value' ...you mean 'less value than PC prints, don't you. So you're incorrect on both points Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. This seems to be getting silly. You can only mean that they are worthless to you. If they exchange hands for a few hundred quid, then clearly that is what they are worth to the people who want to buy them (which, I accept, is not you). That said, I agree that people are at risk of buying copies when trying to buy these. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by bonesy on Mar 20, 2015 23:17:20 GMT 1, I will say almost worthless and the premium paid above almost worthless is due to misinformed buyers.
The misinformed part is that these are worth anything more than the other bootlegs on eBay.
I will say almost worthless and the premium paid above almost worthless is due to misinformed buyers.
The misinformed part is that these are worth anything more than the other bootlegs on eBay.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Dr Plip on Mar 20, 2015 23:22:25 GMT 1, Aren't these things worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them? I don't think some grand master paintings are worth millions, but other people think otherwise.
Buyer beware? Buy with your eyes open and don't buy into hype or cock and bull stories. Beyond that, it's your money.
Aren't these things worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them? I don't think some grand master paintings are worth millions, but other people think otherwise.
Buyer beware? Buy with your eyes open and don't buy into hype or cock and bull stories. Beyond that, it's your money.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Coach on Mar 20, 2015 23:23:05 GMT 1, Aren't these things worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them? I don't think some grand master paintings are worth millions, but other people think otherwise. Buyer beware? Beyond that, it's your money.
Exactly what I was trying to say.
Aren't these things worth whatever people are prepared to pay for them? I don't think some grand master paintings are worth millions, but other people think otherwise. Buyer beware? Beyond that, it's your money. Exactly what I was trying to say. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by biggles on Mar 20, 2015 23:34:42 GMT 1, Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. This seems to be getting silly. You can only mean that they are worthless to you. If they exchange hands for a few hundred quid, then clearly that is what they are worth to the people who want to buy them (which, I accept, is not you). That said, I agree that people are at risk of buying copies when trying to buy these.
save other forum members from enjoying a print that they know full well what they are buying in the mistaken belief that the image is inferior because it does not have a number,COA or signature or be blessed before being placed in the correct and official posting tube, if you obtain as much pleasure from having your backdoor print framed and on the wall great, I would rather that than someone with a portfolio full of signed numbered prints that they have no intention of ever framing or displaying to anyone but see it as the latest investment. Not all of us are in the enviable position of having lots of disposable income to spend on art, and I would go so far as to say the forum members on here who do buy backdoor prints are a lot more savy to the ways of the print world than those that spunk vast sums of money on the latest art investment. And to add those that are saying you may just as well buy a wcp are really talking utter bollox.
Don't fool yourself. They are not authentic. They only become authentic once the artist approves their release. If backdoored, they are not approved, this not authentic. And yes they are worthless. This seems to be getting silly. You can only mean that they are worthless to you. If they exchange hands for a few hundred quid, then clearly that is what they are worth to the people who want to buy them (which, I accept, is not you). That said, I agree that people are at risk of buying copies when trying to buy these. It does rather, and for the life of me I don't know why, it's as if a few souls have taken it upon themselves to save other forum members from enjoying a print that they know full well what they are buying in the mistaken belief that the image is inferior because it does not have a number,COA or signature or be blessed before being placed in the correct and official posting tube, if you obtain as much pleasure from having your backdoor print framed and on the wall great, I would rather that than someone with a portfolio full of signed numbered prints that they have no intention of ever framing or displaying to anyone but see it as the latest investment. Not all of us are in the enviable position of having lots of disposable income to spend on art, and I would go so far as to say the forum members on here who do buy backdoor prints are a lot more savy to the ways of the print world than those that spunk vast sums of money on the latest art investment. And to add those that are saying you may just as well buy a wcp are really talking utter bollox. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 23:37:05 GMT 1, :cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough:
(not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed)
:cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough: (not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed) |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Dr Plip on Mar 20, 2015 23:40:17 GMT 1, :cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough: (not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed)
:cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough: (not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed) Is that yours? |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 23:46:04 GMT 1, :cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough: (not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed) Is that yours?
yup 
:cough: Star Eyes on aluminum :cough: (not stolen, btw, but not numbered or signed) Is that yours? yup |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by .dappy on Mar 20, 2015 23:50:02 GMT 1,
... it's all about the provenance ...
... other than that, I hear the emperor bought some new clothes recently ...
... it's all about the provenance ...
... other than that, I hear the emperor bought some new clothes recently ...
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 0:32:30 GMT 1, Well when I do a print edition.
I will make sure that there will be no back door Ploppi's
Well when I do a print edition.
I will make sure that there will be no back door Ploppi's
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by bejwee77 on Mar 21, 2015 4:51:08 GMT 1, I think it makes sense to wish people were better informed on "back doors"...I know I would've been less cavalier about the ones I purchased when I was just getting interested in this stuff. Even if the link to the actual print runs was real, I might just as soon have WCPs and the extra $ now.
But it's silly to define value solely as what you could flip it for. I buy when I like the images and the story that comes with them. I get similar value in those areas with a bd, at 1/40 of the price.
I think it makes sense to wish people were better informed on "back doors"...I know I would've been less cavalier about the ones I purchased when I was just getting interested in this stuff. Even if the link to the actual print runs was real, I might just as soon have WCPs and the extra $ now.
But it's silly to define value solely as what you could flip it for. I buy when I like the images and the story that comes with them. I get similar value in those areas with a bd, at 1/40 of the price.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 16:56:18 GMT 1, 3 of these noticed and enquired about a backdoor print - he has one framed hung up at the back of the shop he got from *proper source* about 5/6 years ago, before the furore of late- a stamped and signed HMV with a tiny crease
Are there a lot of backdoor prints that are stamped and signed? How does that even happen?
3 of these noticed and enquired about a backdoor print - he has one framed hung up at the back of the shop he got from *proper source* about 5/6 years ago, before the furore of late- a stamped and signed HMV with a tiny crease Are there a lot of backdoor prints that are stamped and signed? How does that even happen? |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 17:45:34 GMT 1, maybe worth sharing the info so others don't make uninformed purchases. your call.
maybe worth sharing the info so others don't make uninformed purchases. your call.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 17:52:23 GMT 1, are real Banksy back door prints just an urban myth?
are real Banksy back door prints just an urban myth?
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:02:29 GMT 1, are real Banksy back door prints just an urban myth?
Nope. See my PINS piece above. Same printer used for both
are real Banksy back door prints just an urban myth? Nope. See my PINS piece above. Same printer used for both |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:09:30 GMT 1, are real Banksy back door prints just an urban myth? Nope. See my PINS piece above. Same printer used for both
So in reality depends on the printer and their honesty and also depends on the client being strict with a printer.
are real Banksy back door prints just an urban myth? Nope. See my PINS piece above. Same printer used for both
So in reality depends on the printer and their honesty and also depends on the client being strict with a printer.
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