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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 7, 2022 16:46:32 GMT 1, You should probably change the title of this thread if it was a gifted print outside of the edition. The definition of 'backdoor' means that it was either stolen or dishonestly obtained A gift print will have a present, heart, peace symbol, or a combination of one or more marked on the front. They are usually signed. Original owners of gift prints may even get a PC COA. A stolen print is a print that has been dishonestly misappropriated. This is a criminal matter and the prints remains the property of the legal owner. Backdoor prints get into circulation via the back door. Hence the terminology. It doesn't mean they were stolen but they are not part of the edition and are not prints gifted by the artist. Test prints are the prints Banksy left in shops when he was originally trying to find a distributor. The have the words "Test print" written on the front. I'd say the original thread title was correct IMHO.
I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are.
If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen
You should probably change the title of this thread if it was a gifted print outside of the edition. The definition of 'backdoor' means that it was either stolen or dishonestly obtained A gift print will have a present, heart, peace symbol, or a combination of one or more marked on the front. They are usually signed. Original owners of gift prints may even get a PC COA. A stolen print is a print that has been dishonestly misappropriated. This is a criminal matter and the prints remains the property of the legal owner. Backdoor prints get into circulation via the back door. Hence the terminology. It doesn't mean they were stolen but they are not part of the edition and are not prints gifted by the artist. Test prints are the prints Banksy left in shops when he was originally trying to find a distributor. The have the words "Test print" written on the front. I'd say the original thread title was correct IMHO. I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are. If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by silvermyn on May 7, 2022 17:26:08 GMT 1, A gift print will have a present, heart, peace symbol, or a combination of one or more marked on the front. They are usually signed. Original owners of gift prints may even get a PC COA. A stolen print is a print that has been dishonestly misappropriated. This is a criminal matter and the prints remains the property of the legal owner. Backdoor prints get into circulation via the back door. Hence the terminology. It doesn't mean they were stolen but they are not part of the edition and are not prints gifted by the artist. Test prints are the prints Banksy left in shops when he was originally trying to find a distributor. The have the words "Test print" written on the front. I'd say the original thread title was correct IMHO. I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are. If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen
Backdoor prints are a grey area. Gift prints, stolen prints and test prints are in a black and white area.
In the grey area of backdoor prints you have prints that escaped via the back door of the print house or the artists studio. The printer may have had a misprint that wound up in a skip, or the studio felt it was an "off" print and gave it to the pizza delivery guy instead of a tip. That's why the story is important.
If the story can be backed up then you know where you stand. You're in the backdoor grey area. If the story turns out to be BS then you may well be in the stolen black and white area. If you find a print like this and scribble "Banksy" and a heart on the front, or the words "Test print", then you're in the black and white area of fraud.
A gift print will have a present, heart, peace symbol, or a combination of one or more marked on the front. They are usually signed. Original owners of gift prints may even get a PC COA. A stolen print is a print that has been dishonestly misappropriated. This is a criminal matter and the prints remains the property of the legal owner. Backdoor prints get into circulation via the back door. Hence the terminology. It doesn't mean they were stolen but they are not part of the edition and are not prints gifted by the artist. Test prints are the prints Banksy left in shops when he was originally trying to find a distributor. The have the words "Test print" written on the front. I'd say the original thread title was correct IMHO. I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are. If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen Backdoor prints are a grey area. Gift prints, stolen prints and test prints are in a black and white area. In the grey area of backdoor prints you have prints that escaped via the back door of the print house or the artists studio. The printer may have had a misprint that wound up in a skip, or the studio felt it was an "off" print and gave it to the pizza delivery guy instead of a tip. That's why the story is important. If the story can be backed up then you know where you stand. You're in the backdoor grey area. If the story turns out to be BS then you may well be in the stolen black and white area. If you find a print like this and scribble "Banksy" and a heart on the front, or the words "Test print", then you're in the black and white area of fraud. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 7, 2022 17:58:45 GMT 1, I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are. If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen Backdoor prints are a grey area. Gift prints, stolen prints and test prints are in a black and white area. In the grey area of backdoor prints you have prints that escaped via the back door of the print house or the artists studio. The printer may have had a misprint that wound up in a skip, or the studio trimmed off too much from a print and gave it to the pizza delivery guy who happend to see it and said "you're not going to throw that out are you?" instead of a tip. That's why the story is important. If the story can be backed up then you know where you stand. You're in the backdoor grey area. If the story turns out to be BS then you may well be in the stolen black and white area. If you find a print like this and scribble "Banksy" and a heart on the front, or the words "Test print", then you're in the black and white area of fraud.
It is a grey area for sure and no matter what the story is, if it can't be backed up then it's just that, a story.
You've also got the issue of known dodgy goings on with some of the employees at pow selling non authorised editions.
Problem is, at the time they were made, these prints outside of the edition would have had little to no value, but potentially maybe a couple of ยฃk's now.
I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are. If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen Backdoor prints are a grey area. Gift prints, stolen prints and test prints are in a black and white area. In the grey area of backdoor prints you have prints that escaped via the back door of the print house or the artists studio. The printer may have had a misprint that wound up in a skip, or the studio trimmed off too much from a print and gave it to the pizza delivery guy who happend to see it and said "you're not going to throw that out are you?" instead of a tip. That's why the story is important. If the story can be backed up then you know where you stand. You're in the backdoor grey area. If the story turns out to be BS then you may well be in the stolen black and white area. If you find a print like this and scribble "Banksy" and a heart on the front, or the words "Test print", then you're in the black and white area of fraud. It is a grey area for sure and no matter what the story is, if it can't be backed up then it's just that, a story. You've also got the issue of known dodgy goings on with some of the employees at pow selling non authorised editions. Problem is, at the time they were made, these prints outside of the edition would have had little to no value, but potentially maybe a couple of ยฃk's now. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Reader on May 7, 2022 18:01:27 GMT 1, A gift print will have a present, heart, peace symbol, or a combination of one or more marked on the front. They are usually signed. Original owners of gift prints may even get a PC COA. A stolen print is a print that has been dishonestly misappropriated. This is a criminal matter and the prints remains the property of the legal owner. Backdoor prints get into circulation via the back door. Hence the terminology. It doesn't mean they were stolen but they are not part of the edition and are not prints gifted by the artist. Test prints are the prints Banksy left in shops when he was originally trying to find a distributor. The have the words "Test print" written on the front. I'd say the original thread title was correct IMHO. I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are. If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen
A gift print will have a present, heart, peace symbol, or a combination of one or more marked on the front. They are usually signed. Original owners of gift prints may even get a PC COA. A stolen print is a print that has been dishonestly misappropriated. This is a criminal matter and the prints remains the property of the legal owner. Backdoor prints get into circulation via the back door. Hence the terminology. It doesn't mean they were stolen but they are not part of the edition and are not prints gifted by the artist. Test prints are the prints Banksy left in shops when he was originally trying to find a distributor. The have the words "Test print" written on the front. I'd say the original thread title was correct IMHO. I know it's not an official print gifted by Banksy, but the op says it was given by someone who worked at pow. We can only go on what the op is saying, unless he has further proof of who the giver and receiver are. If you are saying that a backdoor is different to a stolen print, can you explain how? As far as I see it, if a print had to leave by the backdoor, then this was never authorised and as such should be classed as stolen Agreed, the only difference is that "backdoor" prints were generally sold and those lifted from the shelf and given to friends generally weren't. I have a couple of gift prints that Banksy donated to Swoon's fundraiser which I bought direct from Swoon, both have lovehearts. I have a giftprint "Silver Flags" direct from Banksy, these came from the first 1-50 which didnt go on public sale as far as I'm aware. I also had a signed and stamped early print which is the same number as one registered. It's presumed this was lifted from the shelf, given a random number and sold, of which two now exist and it's impossible to say which is legit due to a lack of records. There's also a couple of signed but unnumbered "prize" prints that people have won, "Applause" for example. Those early days are a minefield for Pest Control for anything that has a ? over it. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by silvermyn on May 7, 2022 18:13:02 GMT 1, Backdoor prints are a grey area. Gift prints, stolen prints and test prints are in a black and white area. In the grey area of backdoor prints you have prints that escaped via the back door of the print house or the artists studio. The printer may have had a misprint that wound up in a skip, or the studio trimmed off too much from a print and gave it to the pizza delivery guy who happend to see it and said "you're not going to throw that out are you?" instead of a tip. That's why the story is important. If the story can be backed up then you know where you stand. You're in the backdoor grey area. If the story turns out to be BS then you may well be in the stolen black and white area. If you find a print like this and scribble "Banksy" and a heart on the front, or the words "Test print", then you're in the black and white area of fraud. It is a grey area for sure and no matter what the story is, if it can't be backed up then it's just that, a story. You've also got the issue of known dodgy goings on with some of the employees at pow selling non authorised editions. Problem is, at the time they were made, these prints outside of the edition would have had little to no value, but potentially maybe a couple of ยฃk's now.
Agreed. However, I think the point stands. Backdoor is not the same as stolen.
Many backdoor stories cannot be confirmed and this is why these prints linger in the gray area forever. Ownership of prints can be verified through PC and that is a way to identify stolen prints.
Backdoor prints are a grey area. Gift prints, stolen prints and test prints are in a black and white area. In the grey area of backdoor prints you have prints that escaped via the back door of the print house or the artists studio. The printer may have had a misprint that wound up in a skip, or the studio trimmed off too much from a print and gave it to the pizza delivery guy who happend to see it and said "you're not going to throw that out are you?" instead of a tip. That's why the story is important. If the story can be backed up then you know where you stand. You're in the backdoor grey area. If the story turns out to be BS then you may well be in the stolen black and white area. If you find a print like this and scribble "Banksy" and a heart on the front, or the words "Test print", then you're in the black and white area of fraud. It is a grey area for sure and no matter what the story is, if it can't be backed up then it's just that, a story. You've also got the issue of known dodgy goings on with some of the employees at pow selling non authorised editions. Problem is, at the time they were made, these prints outside of the edition would have had little to no value, but potentially maybe a couple of ยฃk's now. Agreed. However, I think the point stands. Backdoor is not the same as stolen. Many backdoor stories cannot be confirmed and this is why these prints linger in the gray area forever. Ownership of prints can be verified through PC and that is a way to identify stolen prints. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 7, 2022 18:31:31 GMT 1, It is a grey area for sure and no matter what the story is, if it can't be backed up then it's just that, a story. You've also got the issue of known dodgy goings on with some of the employees at pow selling non authorised editions. Problem is, at the time they were made, these prints outside of the edition would have had little to no value, but potentially maybe a couple of ยฃk's now. Agreed. However, I think the point stands. Backdoor is not the same as stolen. Many backdoor stories cannot be confirmed and this is why these prints linger in the gray area forever. Ownership of prints can be verified through PC and that is a way to identify stolen prints.
It all comes down to how you define 'backdoor'. To me, backdoor means it was obtained through dishonest means. That's why I said the op should change the title of the thread to fit his story. Whole thing is a clusterfuck for sure and I suppose that is why we should be thankful for what PC do, as they don't have an easy task.
It is a grey area for sure and no matter what the story is, if it can't be backed up then it's just that, a story. You've also got the issue of known dodgy goings on with some of the employees at pow selling non authorised editions. Problem is, at the time they were made, these prints outside of the edition would have had little to no value, but potentially maybe a couple of ยฃk's now. Agreed. However, I think the point stands. Backdoor is not the same as stolen. Many backdoor stories cannot be confirmed and this is why these prints linger in the gray area forever. Ownership of prints can be verified through PC and that is a way to identify stolen prints. It all comes down to how you define 'backdoor'. To me, backdoor means it was obtained through dishonest means. That's why I said the op should change the title of the thread to fit his story. Whole thing is a clusterfuck for sure and I suppose that is why we should be thankful for what PC do, as they don't have an easy task. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by silvermyn on May 7, 2022 18:46:25 GMT 1, Agreed. However, I think the point stands. Backdoor is not the same as stolen. Many backdoor stories cannot be confirmed and this is why these prints linger in the gray area forever. Ownership of prints can be verified through PC and that is a way to identify stolen prints. It all comes down to how you define 'backdoor'. To me, backdoor means it was obtained through dishonest means. That's why I said the op should change the title of the thread to fit his story. Whole thing is a clusterfuck for sure and I suppose that is why we should be thankful for what PC do, as they don't have an easy task.
In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip?
There is no dishonestly there. I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward.
Agreed. However, I think the point stands. Backdoor is not the same as stolen. Many backdoor stories cannot be confirmed and this is why these prints linger in the gray area forever. Ownership of prints can be verified through PC and that is a way to identify stolen prints. It all comes down to how you define 'backdoor'. To me, backdoor means it was obtained through dishonest means. That's why I said the op should change the title of the thread to fit his story. Whole thing is a clusterfuck for sure and I suppose that is why we should be thankful for what PC do, as they don't have an easy task. In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip? There is no dishonestly there. I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 7, 2022 18:53:55 GMT 1, It all comes down to how you define 'backdoor'. To me, backdoor means it was obtained through dishonest means. That's why I said the op should change the title of the thread to fit his story. Whole thing is a clusterfuck for sure and I suppose that is why we should be thankful for what PC do, as they don't have an easy task. In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip? There is no dishonestly there. I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward.
'In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip?'
Nothing at all, if the person gifting that print had the authority to do so.
'I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward'
Because that is the definition of something that is called 'backdoor'.
Which is why I said the OP should change the thread title.
It all comes down to how you define 'backdoor'. To me, backdoor means it was obtained through dishonest means. That's why I said the op should change the title of the thread to fit his story. Whole thing is a clusterfuck for sure and I suppose that is why we should be thankful for what PC do, as they don't have an easy task. In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip? There is no dishonestly there. I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward. 'In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip?' Nothing at all, if the person gifting that print had the authority to do so. 'I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward' Because that is the definition of something that is called 'backdoor'. Which is why I said the OP should change the thread title. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by silvermyn on May 7, 2022 19:17:55 GMT 1, In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip? There is no dishonestly there. I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward. 'In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip?' Nothing at all, if the person gifting that print had the authority to do so. 'I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward' Because that is the definition of something that is called 'backdoor'. Which is why I said the OP should change the thread title.
When I Google "backdoor meaning" I get the following definition "the back door of a building". This is the very definition of the word backdoor.
I also see a definition which states "achieved by using indirect or dishonest means" but there is definitely an "or" in that definition.
My point is that it is wrong to automatically assume that a backdoor print means that it must have been obtained dishonestly. There is nothing to support that view unless you believe from the background story that there may have been some dishonesty involved. The definition of "backdoor" is not an automatic substitute for the word "dishonest" or "stolen".
I know you're going to keep digging in so be my guest. I'm kind of done with this discussion. Happy to agree to disagree.
In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip? There is no dishonestly there. I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward. 'In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip?' Nothing at all, if the person gifting that print had the authority to do so. 'I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward' Because that is the definition of something that is called 'backdoor'. Which is why I said the OP should change the thread title. When I Google "backdoor meaning" I get the following definition "the back door of a building". This is the very definition of the word backdoor. I also see a definition which states "achieved by using indirect or dishonest means" but there is definitely an "or" in that definition. My point is that it is wrong to automatically assume that a backdoor print means that it must have been obtained dishonestly. There is nothing to support that view unless you believe from the background story that there may have been some dishonesty involved. The definition of "backdoor" is not an automatic substitute for the word "dishonest" or "stolen". I know you're going to keep digging in so be my guest. I'm kind of done with this discussion. Happy to agree to disagree. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by collectionlover on May 7, 2022 19:18:44 GMT 1, Lol, everyone losing their shit calling this stolen is simply a jealous snowflake or it just shows your age.
First off how long has it been since this released?
โHerrr durrrrrrr, youโre in possession of a stolen workโ - even if it was stolen whoโs going to prove it? Itโs been so long that it doesnโt even matter anymore. POW doesnโt exist anymore.
But thatโs not the point, youโre all pointing the finger without any proof so you look stupid as shit. If it was a lesser known artist you wouldnโt give a fk.
Next, if someone goes through the backdoor it simply means that someone paid retail with a bit extra on top for the hookup. While this is technically dishonest on the retail side of things, the buyer is in no way wrong, theyโre just taking advantage of an opportunity.
But this isnโt even a backdoor print, the op said it was a gift! Printers back in the day (even now) gave out PP or test prints as a way of saying thank you all the time.
I mean fuck, some of you asshats are saying shit like โdid that person have the authority to gift it....heeerrrrrr durrrr?!โ Who the fuck cares, do you think Banksy or the former POW team gives a shit? Christ, youโre acting like a white knights jerking off in your basement acting high and mighty. Is the guy gonna turn himself in to the Banksy police?
Just appreciate the fact that this person owns a dope piece of art history. Stop jumping to conclusions without proof.
OP: my advice, tell your friend to try to contact as many Banksy authorities as possible. See if it can be authenticated, and maybe even test the water with PC. Iโm sure with the right paperwork an auction house would find it interesting
Lol, everyone losing their shit calling this stolen is simply a jealous snowflake or it just shows your age.
First off how long has it been since this released?
โHerrr durrrrrrr, youโre in possession of a stolen workโ - even if it was stolen whoโs going to prove it? Itโs been so long that it doesnโt even matter anymore. POW doesnโt exist anymore.
But thatโs not the point, youโre all pointing the finger without any proof so you look stupid as shit. If it was a lesser known artist you wouldnโt give a fk.
Next, if someone goes through the backdoor it simply means that someone paid retail with a bit extra on top for the hookup. While this is technically dishonest on the retail side of things, the buyer is in no way wrong, theyโre just taking advantage of an opportunity.
But this isnโt even a backdoor print, the op said it was a gift! Printers back in the day (even now) gave out PP or test prints as a way of saying thank you all the time.
I mean fuck, some of you asshats are saying shit like โdid that person have the authority to gift it....heeerrrrrr durrrr?!โ Who the fuck cares, do you think Banksy or the former POW team gives a shit? Christ, youโre acting like a white knights jerking off in your basement acting high and mighty. Is the guy gonna turn himself in to the Banksy police?
Just appreciate the fact that this person owns a dope piece of art history. Stop jumping to conclusions without proof.
OP: my advice, tell your friend to try to contact as many Banksy authorities as possible. See if it can be authenticated, and maybe even test the water with PC. Iโm sure with the right paperwork an auction house would find it interesting
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 7, 2022 19:25:32 GMT 1, 'In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip?' Nothing at all, if the person gifting that print had the authority to do so. 'I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward' Because that is the definition of something that is called 'backdoor'. Which is why I said the OP should change the thread title. When I Google "backdoor meaning" I get the following definition "the back door of a building". This is the very definition of the word backdoor. I also see a definition which states "achieved by using indirect or dishonest means" but there is definitely an "or" in that definition. My point is that it is wrong to automatically assume that a backdoor print means that it must have been obtained dishonestly. There is nothing to support that view unless you believe from the background story that there may have been some dishonesty involved. The definition of "backdoor" is not an automatic substitute for the word "dishonest" or "stolen". I know you're going to keep digging in so be my guest. I'm kind of done with this discussion. Happy to agree to disagree.
If it's obtained indirectly, then it hasn't been obtained by the original owner/supplier...
Nope, I'm not going to keep digging, as I'm enjoying a beer and about to have a BBQ๐ป
'In my example, what's dishonest about a studio giving a pizza delivery guy a throw away print instead of a tip?' Nothing at all, if the person gifting that print had the authority to do so. 'I can't see why you would automatically associate backdoor prints with dishonestly, theft or anything else untoward' Because that is the definition of something that is called 'backdoor'. Which is why I said the OP should change the thread title. When I Google "backdoor meaning" I get the following definition "the back door of a building". This is the very definition of the word backdoor. I also see a definition which states "achieved by using indirect or dishonest means" but there is definitely an "or" in that definition. My point is that it is wrong to automatically assume that a backdoor print means that it must have been obtained dishonestly. There is nothing to support that view unless you believe from the background story that there may have been some dishonesty involved. The definition of "backdoor" is not an automatic substitute for the word "dishonest" or "stolen". I know you're going to keep digging in so be my guest. I'm kind of done with this discussion. Happy to agree to disagree. If it's obtained indirectly, then it hasn't been obtained by the original owner/supplier... Nope, I'm not going to keep digging, as I'm enjoying a beer and about to have a BBQ๐ป |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by silvermyn on May 7, 2022 19:29:27 GMT 1, When I Google "backdoor meaning" I get the following definition "the back door of a building". This is the very definition of the word backdoor. I also see a definition which states "achieved by using indirect or dishonest means" but there is definitely an "or" in that definition. My point is that it is wrong to automatically assume that a backdoor print means that it must have been obtained dishonestly. There is nothing to support that view unless you believe from the background story that there may have been some dishonesty involved. The definition of "backdoor" is not an automatic substitute for the word "dishonest" or "stolen". I know you're going to keep digging in so be my guest. I'm kind of done with this discussion. Happy to agree to disagree. If it's obtained indirectly, then it hasn't been obtained by the original owner/supplier... Nope, I'm not going to keep digging, as I'm enjoying a beer and about to have a BBQ๐ป
Thank Christ! Enjoy.
When I Google "backdoor meaning" I get the following definition "the back door of a building". This is the very definition of the word backdoor. I also see a definition which states "achieved by using indirect or dishonest means" but there is definitely an "or" in that definition. My point is that it is wrong to automatically assume that a backdoor print means that it must have been obtained dishonestly. There is nothing to support that view unless you believe from the background story that there may have been some dishonesty involved. The definition of "backdoor" is not an automatic substitute for the word "dishonest" or "stolen". I know you're going to keep digging in so be my guest. I'm kind of done with this discussion. Happy to agree to disagree. If it's obtained indirectly, then it hasn't been obtained by the original owner/supplier... Nope, I'm not going to keep digging, as I'm enjoying a beer and about to have a BBQ๐ป Thank Christ! Enjoy. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Reader on May 7, 2022 22:56:19 GMT 1, Lol, everyone losing their shit calling this stolen is simply a jealous snowflake or it just shows your age. First off how long has it been since this released? โHerrr durrrrrrr, youโre in possession of a stolen workโ - even if it was stolen whoโs going to prove it? Itโs been so long that it doesnโt even matter anymore. POW doesnโt exist anymore. But thatโs not the point, youโre all pointing the finger without any proof so you look stupid as shit. If it was a lesser known artist you wouldnโt give a fk. Next, if someone goes through the backdoor it simply means that someone paid retail with a bit extra on top for the hookup. While this is technically dishonest on the retail side of things, the buyer is in no way wrong, theyโre just taking advantage of an opportunity. But this isnโt even a backdoor print, the op said it was a gift! Printers back in the day (even now) gave out PP or test prints as a way of saying thank you all the time. I mean fuck, some of you asshats are saying shit like โdid that person have the authority to gift it....heeerrrrrr durrrr?!โ Who the fuck cares, do you think Banksy or the former POW team gives a shit? Christ, youโre acting like a white knights jerking off in your basement acting high and mighty. Is the guy gonna turn himself in to the Banksy police? Just appreciate the fact that this person owns a dope piece of art history. Stop jumping to conclusions without proof. OP: my advice, tell your friend to try to contact as many Banksy authorities as possible. See if it can be authenticated, and maybe even test the water with PC. Iโm sure with the right paperwork an auction house would find it interesting
Lol, everyone losing their shit calling this stolen is simply a jealous snowflake or it just shows your age. First off how long has it been since this released? โHerrr durrrrrrr, youโre in possession of a stolen workโ - even if it was stolen whoโs going to prove it? Itโs been so long that it doesnโt even matter anymore. POW doesnโt exist anymore. But thatโs not the point, youโre all pointing the finger without any proof so you look stupid as shit. If it was a lesser known artist you wouldnโt give a fk. Next, if someone goes through the backdoor it simply means that someone paid retail with a bit extra on top for the hookup. While this is technically dishonest on the retail side of things, the buyer is in no way wrong, theyโre just taking advantage of an opportunity. But this isnโt even a backdoor print, the op said it was a gift! Printers back in the day (even now) gave out PP or test prints as a way of saying thank you all the time. I mean fuck, some of you asshats are saying shit like โdid that person have the authority to gift it....heeerrrrrr durrrr?!โ Who the fuck cares, do you think Banksy or the former POW team gives a shit? Christ, youโre acting like a white knights jerking off in your basement acting high and mighty. Is the guy gonna turn himself in to the Banksy police? Just appreciate the fact that this person owns a dope piece of art history. Stop jumping to conclusions without proof. OP: my advice, tell your friend to try to contact as many Banksy authorities as possible. See if it can be authenticated, and maybe even test the water with PC. Iโm sure with the right paperwork an auction house would find it interesting haha, wrong on so many counts, I guess you're quite new to this world if you think there are "banksy authorities" beyond the people responding, or that it has a chance in hell of PC cert. My advice to OP is to frame it, hang it on the wall and tell people the story. That's where the value lay in this particular piece. Otherwise if you're skint, you may get some third rate shady auction house to take it and push it on for a couple of grand tops. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by collectionlover on May 8, 2022 0:23:25 GMT 1, Lol, everyone losing their shit calling this stolen is simply a jealous snowflake or it just shows your age. First off how long has it been since this released? โHerrr durrrrrrr, youโre in possession of a stolen workโ - even if it was stolen whoโs going to prove it? Itโs been so long that it doesnโt even matter anymore. POW doesnโt exist anymore. But thatโs not the point, youโre all pointing the finger without any proof so you look stupid as shit. If it was a lesser known artist you wouldnโt give a fk. Next, if someone goes through the backdoor it simply means that someone paid retail with a bit extra on top for the hookup. While this is technically dishonest on the retail side of things, the buyer is in no way wrong, theyโre just taking advantage of an opportunity. But this isnโt even a backdoor print, the op said it was a gift! Printers back in the day (even now) gave out PP or test prints as a way of saying thank you all the time. I mean fuck, some of you asshats are saying shit like โdid that person have the authority to gift it....heeerrrrrr durrrr?!โ Who the fuck cares, do you think Banksy or the former POW team gives a shit? Christ, youโre acting like a white knights jerking off in your basement acting high and mighty. Is the guy gonna turn himself in to the Banksy police? Just appreciate the fact that this person owns a dope piece of art history. Stop jumping to conclusions without proof. OP: my advice, tell your friend to try to contact as many Banksy authorities as possible. See if it can be authenticated, and maybe even test the water with PC. Iโm sure with the right paperwork an auction house would find it interesting haha, wrong on so many counts, I guess you're quite new to this world if you think there are "banksy authorities" beyond the people responding, or that it has a chance in hell of PC cert. My advice to OP is to frame it, hang it on the wall and tell people the story. That's where the value lay in this particular piece. Otherwise if you're skint, you may get some third rate shady auction house to take it and push it on for a couple of grand tops.
Lol, you clearly missed my whole fucking point, the issue is everyone here crying about how his friend got the โprintโ.
Frankly I donโt give a shit what he does with it, and I donโt collect banksy so I only made the suggestion loosely.
Lol, everyone losing their shit calling this stolen is simply a jealous snowflake or it just shows your age. First off how long has it been since this released? โHerrr durrrrrrr, youโre in possession of a stolen workโ - even if it was stolen whoโs going to prove it? Itโs been so long that it doesnโt even matter anymore. POW doesnโt exist anymore. But thatโs not the point, youโre all pointing the finger without any proof so you look stupid as shit. If it was a lesser known artist you wouldnโt give a fk. Next, if someone goes through the backdoor it simply means that someone paid retail with a bit extra on top for the hookup. While this is technically dishonest on the retail side of things, the buyer is in no way wrong, theyโre just taking advantage of an opportunity. But this isnโt even a backdoor print, the op said it was a gift! Printers back in the day (even now) gave out PP or test prints as a way of saying thank you all the time. I mean fuck, some of you asshats are saying shit like โdid that person have the authority to gift it....heeerrrrrr durrrr?!โ Who the fuck cares, do you think Banksy or the former POW team gives a shit? Christ, youโre acting like a white knights jerking off in your basement acting high and mighty. Is the guy gonna turn himself in to the Banksy police? Just appreciate the fact that this person owns a dope piece of art history. Stop jumping to conclusions without proof. OP: my advice, tell your friend to try to contact as many Banksy authorities as possible. See if it can be authenticated, and maybe even test the water with PC. Iโm sure with the right paperwork an auction house would find it interesting haha, wrong on so many counts, I guess you're quite new to this world if you think there are "banksy authorities" beyond the people responding, or that it has a chance in hell of PC cert. My advice to OP is to frame it, hang it on the wall and tell people the story. That's where the value lay in this particular piece. Otherwise if you're skint, you may get some third rate shady auction house to take it and push it on for a couple of grand tops. Lol, you clearly missed my whole fucking point, the issue is everyone here crying about how his friend got the โprintโ. Frankly I donโt give a shit what he does with it, and I donโt collect banksy so I only made the suggestion loosely. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Coach on May 8, 2022 2:36:27 GMT 1, I canโt understand why anyone would start a post with โlolโ.
Hello I agree with you because โฆ Hello I disagree with you because โฆ.
I canโt understand why anyone would start a post with โlolโ.
Hello I agree with you because โฆ Hello I disagree with you because โฆ.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Reader on May 8, 2022 8:21:55 GMT 1, haha, wrong on so many counts, I guess you're quite new to this world if you think there are "banksy authorities" beyond the people responding, or that it has a chance in hell of PC cert. My advice to OP is to frame it, hang it on the wall and tell people the story. That's where the value lay in this particular piece. Otherwise if you're skint, you may get some third rate shady auction house to take it and push it on for a couple of grand tops. Lol, you clearly missed my whole fucking point, the issue is everyone here crying about how his friend got the โprintโ. Frankly I donโt give a shit what he does with it, and I donโt collect banksy so I only made the suggestion loosely.
haha, wrong on so many counts, I guess you're quite new to this world if you think there are "banksy authorities" beyond the people responding, or that it has a chance in hell of PC cert. My advice to OP is to frame it, hang it on the wall and tell people the story. That's where the value lay in this particular piece. Otherwise if you're skint, you may get some third rate shady auction house to take it and push it on for a couple of grand tops. Lol, you clearly missed my whole fucking point, the issue is everyone here crying about how his friend got the โprintโ. Frankly I donโt give a shit what he does with it, and I donโt collect banksy so I only made the suggestion loosely. Must say, you sound quite emotive on the subject for someone who doesn't give a shit. but hey, no matter. People seem to be genuinely concerend that someone will get landed with this believeing it to be legit. The board advising or "policing" it are doing collectors a favour by flagging it. Anything coming out of the "backdoor" of an artist studio or printhouse and "gifted" by an assistant or member of staff without the artists knowledge is sketchy and shoudn't really be bought and sold because it's been knicked, the accusation of "stolen" maybe sounds a bit harsh when it has these mitigating circumstances around the "intent", "taken without permission" is maybe easier on the ear. "Oh he helped me with some boxes/design/moving" etc so I gave him a run-off instead of $, didn't think it was an issue at the time. Fact is, in almost 20 years, no one has ever seen a "backdoor" runoff of GWB, so it's good people are asking questions no? It's possible it was a test print and someone has erased the word "test" or not added it in the first place. But unless we know who gave it out, I guess we'll never know. If it wasn't directly from Banksy, then its only value is in "cool story bro.." |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by kashi on May 8, 2022 8:25:50 GMT 1, where the fuck is FR with his popcorn in all this?
where the fuck is FR with his popcorn in all this? |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Hubble Bubble on May 8, 2022 8:44:33 GMT 1, kashi
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for not quoting previous posts. Drives me potty.
HB
kashi I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for not quoting previous posts. Drives me potty. HB
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by 18921892 on May 8, 2022 9:17:51 GMT 1, IMO legitimate gift prints are given COA's by PC, if they aren't then I would treat them as backdoor prints. I would try run your story by PC and apply for a COA. You never know.
IMO legitimate gift prints are given COA's by PC, if they aren't then I would treat them as backdoor prints. I would try run your story by PC and apply for a COA. You never know.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by binky on May 8, 2022 11:27:57 GMT 1, I bought a bunch of bksy stuff in eBay when they were pennies. One of them was a barcode. Only later did I realise that although legit it easnt stamped or numbered. This predates the banksy rise to fame. It wasnโt obvious at the time that things like numbers mattered, I liked the image. Meh. Still got it, nice image without the hassle of insurance . I suppose I could clag a number on it and see if I could get a PC fir it, but Iโm too straight for that. Have a couple of other test colourways if other stuff that are totally unsellable but of interest to the soi disant enthusiast
The trading of BD prints wasnโt an issue on eBay or here at the time, they were seriously discounted in relation to the hundreds of quid wanted fir signed . Value clouds your judgement in hindsight.
I bought a bunch of bksy stuff in eBay when they were pennies. One of them was a barcode. Only later did I realise that although legit it easnt stamped or numbered. This predates the banksy rise to fame. It wasnโt obvious at the time that things like numbers mattered, I liked the image. Meh. Still got it, nice image without the hassle of insurance . I suppose I could clag a number on it and see if I could get a PC fir it, but Iโm too straight for that. Have a couple of other test colourways if other stuff that are totally unsellable but of interest to the soi disant enthusiast
The trading of BD prints wasnโt an issue on eBay or here at the time, they were seriously discounted in relation to the hundreds of quid wanted fir signed . Value clouds your judgement in hindsight.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by binky on May 8, 2022 11:42:53 GMT 1, GWB unnumbered and unsigned do exist btw.thought it was a very weak image so never bothered buying when they came along from the same source. Another eta - I think these were a strange shape / cut badly or something but canโt recall exactly but the paper was dreadful I remember
GWB unnumbered and unsigned do exist btw.thought it was a very weak image so never bothered buying when they came along from the same source. Another eta - I think these were a strange shape / cut badly or something but canโt recall exactly but the paper was dreadful I remember
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Reader on May 8, 2022 11:58:25 GMT 1, I bought a bunch of bksy stuff in eBay when they were pennies. One of them was a barcode. Only later did I realise that although legit it easnt stamped or numbered. This predates the banksy rise to fame. It wasnโt obvious at the time that things like numbers mattered, I liked the image. Meh. Still got it, nice image without the hassle of insurance . I suppose I could clag a number on it and see if I could get a PC fir it, but Iโm too straight for that. Have a couple of other test colourways if other stuff that are totally unsellable but of interest to the soi disant enthusiast The trading of BD prints wasnโt an issue on eBay or here at the time, they were seriously discounted in relation to the hundreds of quid wanted fir signed . Value clouds your judgement in hindsight.
I bought a bunch of bksy stuff in eBay when they were pennies. One of them was a barcode. Only later did I realise that although legit it easnt stamped or numbered. This predates the banksy rise to fame. It wasnโt obvious at the time that things like numbers mattered, I liked the image. Meh. Still got it, nice image without the hassle of insurance . I suppose I could clag a number on it and see if I could get a PC fir it, but Iโm too straight for that. Have a couple of other test colourways if other stuff that are totally unsellable but of interest to the soi disant enthusiast The trading of BD prints wasnโt an issue on eBay or here at the time, they were seriously discounted in relation to the hundreds of quid wanted fir signed . Value clouds your judgement in hindsight. Yeah POW staff had a sketchy ebay POW account at one point, didnt last long but long enough. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by sicando on May 8, 2022 12:58:44 GMT 1, I was recently offered an unsigned, unnumbered banksy mis print and I reached out to a well know dealer to try and get an idea on market value so I could purchase. They said theyre easily faked and even if the person selling has what seems like solid proof (which I had), once you go to sell it again you're one person removed and it becomes a story.
I looked on the Pest Control website..their authentication process requires a print number.
My feeling is that without a COA (which can be faked) the print may not have massive value but is a lovely thing to keep on the wall, and I think that is inline with the original intention. It really depends how much someone is willing to pay for it. You could of cause write to PC and see what they say, though it may take months to get a reply if lucky!
I was recently offered an unsigned, unnumbered banksy mis print and I reached out to a well know dealer to try and get an idea on market value so I could purchase. They said theyre easily faked and even if the person selling has what seems like solid proof (which I had), once you go to sell it again you're one person removed and it becomes a story.
I looked on the Pest Control website..their authentication process requires a print number.
My feeling is that without a COA (which can be faked) the print may not have massive value but is a lovely thing to keep on the wall, and I think that is inline with the original intention. It really depends how much someone is willing to pay for it. You could of cause write to PC and see what they say, though it may take months to get a reply if lucky!
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Wenters on May 9, 2022 10:22:22 GMT 1, Agreed on terminology for these. Definitely interested in a POW overrun or test print, if exists, for โStop and Search.โ 
Agreed on terminology for these. Definitely interested in a POW overrun or test print, if exists, for โStop and Search.โ It does |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by iamzero on May 9, 2022 17:26:21 GMT 1, Is anyone else wondering generally how much genuine (Iโm sure you know what I mean) back door Banksy prints are trading for these days? Iโd love to buy one but because I couldnโt check it against a verified one I probably never will.
Is anyone else wondering generally how much genuine (Iโm sure you know what I mean) back door Banksy prints are trading for these days? Iโd love to buy one but because I couldnโt check it against a verified one I probably never will.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by binky on May 9, 2022 17:33:29 GMT 1, PLenty of early series bd were submitted with random numbers added by regulars on here a while ago. AFAIK, They mostly got PC eventually, one got a pair of PC issued for a brace of BD that already had duplicate numbers on the record database but took advantage of POW lack of records from the period.donโt trust anyone in this game
PLenty of early series bd were submitted with random numbers added by regulars on here a while ago. AFAIK, They mostly got PC eventually, one got a pair of PC issued for a brace of BD that already had duplicate numbers on the record database but took advantage of POW lack of records from the period.donโt trust anyone in this game
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by lobio on May 13, 2022 0:19:19 GMT 1, Just curious, are test prints usually just one of a kind ? Trying to understand the terminology thanks !
Just curious, are test prints usually just one of a kind ? Trying to understand the terminology thanks !
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by iamzero on May 13, 2022 6:25:10 GMT 1, All these experts and no one yet with a price.
All these experts and no one yet with a price.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by choca69 on May 13, 2022 9:06:25 GMT 1, Can you please repost the images?
Thanks
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Can you please repost the images?
Thanks
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Spider Joe on May 13, 2022 10:24:14 GMT 1, Can you please repost the images? Thanks C69
Hi, added one of the previous photos and two new ones to the previous post.
Can you please repost the images? Thanks C69
Hi, added one of the previous photos and two new ones to the previous post.
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